The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

[DDave]

What do i need to do to be part of the Q them? Got the Q but i think I'm missing something guys...

@ryanlaghost
Welcome and glad to see another member of the EQ family!

The EQ is an awesome unit offering much variety.

Let's start with what you're looking for? Flavor? Slow relaxed sessions? Powerful hits producing clouds?

After your goals are known, better advice can be given on how to reach them.

 

[kellya86]

@ryanlaghost , Good timing for your. Ddaveday is nearly here. It's on Wednesday. Upgrade your q

 

[biohacker]

I've been curious about this DDave business i've been seeing pop up here and there and am intrigued and grateful for this little convenience put together for us. I started the vape game with an OG Arizer V-tower (with the analog dial on the bottom, no lcd) and rocked an EQ for years and years until VAS got a hold of me and I ventured off into the land of VXL, 7th Floor, vriptech, herbalizer, and so on. Recently I had a brand new EQ land in my lap again and it was like a blast from the past back 10 years!

Although I didn't even want to be, I was greatly impressed by what I thought to be a sub-par entry level vape. I expected a bad taste, because how could you get great taste out of a whip or bag right? Wrong! I was floored by the flavour, and especially vapour density. You see, although I am a self admitted flavour snob, I really am at the bottom of it all, a massive cloud chaser! And the EQ definitely delivers clouds and flavour!

That's where all the warm and fuzzies ended though....when I sniffed into the EQ unit itself, I could smell some serious solder/electronics, which obviously goes into the vapour path. Does anyone have any concerns about this? I read a bunch about a melting plastic part inside the EQ, although i've never smelled plastic - only solder. In the EQ's defence, I have smelled this on other vapes before so maybe i'm just hyper sensitive. I can smell it at the bottom of a VXL Cloud, I can smell plastic wires being heated at the bottom of an EVO, and can smell the solder on a PCB in a vriptech. It's not like I have a ultra sensitive sense of smell either, my wife can smell the same things I can.

I really want the EQ to be my main desktop... just hope someone can put these worries about the airpath to rest for me once and for all.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

If it is a brand new EQ, It is recommended to do a 'burn off' first. To cook off any oils and heat up the solder from the manufacturing process.

I turned mine up to full heat and ran the fan on F3 for a half hour. Before trying it out on myself. Hope that is all you are experiencing.

Do pay close attention to the LCD for anything weird going on with the display while doing this. If it looks OK. You are probably in the clear. I hope. Let us know.

 

[biohacker]

Yeah did all the proper burn offs, etc. It is still offgassing after many hours of use. Buddy has an EQ that is well seasoned, and he could detect it as well (@lazylathe) so i'm thinking this is "normal". I definitely don't smell or taste it when vaping, only when it's idle and I sniff it at the top. Makes sense really, there is a pcb in there and some high temps....it's just a matter of how "safe" is it to inhale that smell?

 

[kellya86]

Sound wierd to her about someone referring to the eq as a blast from the past when it's all so new to me.
Also I'm surprised your surprised with the eq after using a herbalizer, thought that was the best of the best out there.

Just when you think your being healthier, turns out your breathing copper suphate and nickel chloride. Think that's what's used in pcb manufacture don't know if any residue remains.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Hmm.. Are you using it at the higher temps? Near 260C. That would be a factor. Just guessing, but inspect the bottom vents and perhaps see how secure the inside metal wall is.

When it is cooled down entirely, try heating it with no glass around say 230C for 10m, then power off. Then give it a smell test.

Are you using any glass F/F that would block some of the airflow into the EQ? Other than that maybe you are smelling the screen part of the heater glass?

If you have a sensitive nose, I would be curious especially if this was 'normal'. I can taste PCB with my Summit a little.

 

[biohacker]

Sound wierd to her about someone referring to the eq as a blast from the past when it's all so new to me.
Also I'm surprised your surprised with the eq after using a herbalizer, thought that was the best of the best out there.

Yes, Arizer has been around for over a decade! I still remember the day when I met the creator of Arizer to meet for "local pickup" the V-tower ebay auction for $130cdn! Man was the industry ever in its infancy back then.

The Herbalizer is awesome, no doubt....but the price? I can't even get a Herbie in Canada anymore since they don't sell retail outside of the USA and they stopped stocking online retailers in Canada as well. No Herbie, no parts, no dice. Furthermore, I could smell PLASTIC from time to time with the Herbie, and the entire thing is made from it. The most I could smell it was when it sat unused for a few weeks and I went back to it.

Just when you think your being healthier, turns out your breathing copper suphate and nickel chloride. Think that's what's used in pcb manufacture don't know if any residue remains.

Well this is just the thing. I'd rather abstain than combust, but I don't think inhaling copper sulphate, nickel chloride, and metal ions is very health promoting either. I guess it's not all black and white, and the poison is in the dose. If I wasn't such a heavy user I probably wouldn't be so concerned, but i'm working on that.

Hmm.. Are you using it at the higher temps? Near 260C. That would be a factor. Just guessing, but inspect the bottom vents and perhaps see how secure the inside metal wall is.

I was using it at all temps, but mostly up to 230, with occasional up to 245/250 and sometimes 260 just to "see" and to help with the "break in". Is leaving it at 260 not a good thing? I figure if it's rated for 260 it should not be an issue?

I'm using the EQ with stock parts, nothing out of the ordinary..... it's definitely the PCB....smells the same as the inside of a stereo receiver. This is definitley in the air/vapour path.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

I just held my EQ and powered up the heat with my nose over it the entire time. Dried my sinuses. I smelled the heater and maybe the tiniest smell of cold PCB. But no hot PCB or robot fart smell. Maybe do the tests and inspections I mentioned and watch what the display does. Then perhaps contact Arizer with your problem and they will decide if you should RMA it or not. If you can RMA it. They usually want you to send it back to the retailer. If that retailer is an authorized dealer. I've had my EQ for 6 months so maybe there is something to that.

 

[biohacker]

I think you're right. This was on a brand new EQ, although I did put some use into it, it wasn't much before I ended up selling it. So it could definitely be attributed to still being "too new". Regardless, it does get hot inside it and the air path goes right through that PCB. Definitely going to research this a bit more before I decide to pull the trigger again.

There are even pics of melting plastic pieces inside it around somewhere, although i'm sure they were defective (or maybe left on 260c for too long!).

 

[kellya86]

I started putting a plug on end of whip when I wasn't using it. But on 2 occasions I left plug on when warming up machine to use. Only for about 10 mins and I noticed the elbow wasn't heating up. Could this have damaged the machine and caus things to overheat inside and caus future smells maybe.? Or is there somewhere for air to escape if path becomes restricted.?

Just left it on fan 1 for 15 mins at 220 with no glass. I'm pretty sure I can't smell anything. First couple seconds I can smell heat but not chemical heat. Maybe all I can smell is slightly crisped nasel hair. I think mine is fine.

I wonder if any mod can be done to the internals of the eq to further protect air path from contaminants. Either by way of pcb heatshield (ceramic maybe or something inert), or by moving pcb further away? Maybe moving it from inside the tower all together. Time to get the screw drivers out I think. Been wanting to pull apart since I got it. Got an excuse now.

 

[TomC1315]

I started putting a plug on end of whip when I wasn't using it. But on 2 occasions I left plug on when warming up machine to use. Only for about 10 mins and I noticed the elbow wasn't heating up. Could this have damaged the machine and caus things to overheat inside and caus future smells maybe.? Or is there somewhere for air to escape if path becomes restricted.?

And how about filling up a balloon for too long ... has anyone left a balloon on for too long ? And if so, what happened ?

 

[kellya86]

Another example of something that would caus the same issue. If it is an issue. Is there a failsafe in the arizer design that allows for the safe escape for hot air. Somebody must know this.

 

[ryanlaghost]

@ryanlaghost
Welcome and glad to see another member of the EQ family!

The EQ is an awesome unit offering much variety.

Let's start with what you're looking for? Flavor? Slow relaxed sessions? Powerful hits producing clouds?

After your goals are known, better advice can be given on how to reach them.

Thanks for the quick reply! I'm looking for flavor during the day, and a heavy hitter before bedtime. I've been keeping it at 190c, which i estimate to actually be around 160c.

@ryanlaghost , Good timing for your. Ddaveday is nearly here. It's on Wednesday. Upgrade your q

lol wait...upgrade as in buy a new one?! how can one tell which version one has anyways lol

 

[kellya86]

Do you elbow pack or use cyclone bowl. If you elbow pack you need relatively higher temps. 190 is my sweet spot for cyclone but in the elbow it's 210.
Ddave and others can help you more with this.

No just upgrade with the ddave kit that improves air flow and makes the eq alot better from what iv heard. I am awaiting my kit on Wednesday. Which Is ddaveday for me and on that day ddave is giving away extra random piece In his kits bought on Wednesday 23rd.
Again ddave or others can advise you better than me. Iv only been vaping a month.

Kits are on ebay.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Do you elbow pack or use cyclone bowl. If you elbow pack you need relatively higher temps. 190 is my sweet spot for cyclone but in the elbow it's 210.
Ddave and others can help you more with this.

No just upgrade with the ddave kit that improves air flow and makes the eq alot better from what iv heard. I am awaiting my kit on Wednesday. Which Is ddaveday for me and on that day ddave is giving away extra random piece In his kits bought on Wednesday 23rd.
Again ddave or others can advise you better than me. Iv only been vaping a month.

Kits are on ebay.

@ryanlaghost Here is the link on ebay. The post at the top of this page is from @DDave himself. He can also answer any questions you have. Plus there is earlier some posts here in the EQ thread a few pages back too.
The DDave Mod V2 & NEW DDave Mini Mod for Arizer EQ and VTower Vaporizers

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ddave-mod-new-ddave-mini-mod-kit-for-arizer-eq-vtower-vapes.19018/

 

[ataxian]

I think you're right. This was on a brand new EQ, although I did put some use into it, it wasn't much before I ended up selling it. So it could definitely be attributed to still being "too new". Regardless, it does get hot inside it and the air path goes right through that PCB. Definitely going to research this a bit more before I decide to pull the trigger again.

There are even pics of melting plastic pieces inside it around somewhere, although I'm sure they were defective (or maybe left on 260c for too long!).

I waited a while to get a Q?
Really I could not make it work like I expected unit I got the @DDave kit!

I have owned most of the vaporizers you have owned.

Underwhelmed is a understatement!

The Q for me personally is enough power and function!

 

[DDave]

Wow, conversation has left without me! hahaha One of the issues of being on the Left Coast (West Coast....) Different time zones and me sleeping late on Sundays!

Yeah did all the proper burn offs, etc. It is still offgassing after many hours of use. Buddy has an EQ that is well seasoned, and he could detect it as well (@lazylathe) so i'm thinking this is "normal". I definitely don't smell or taste it when vaping, only when it's idle and I sniff it at the top. Makes sense really, there is a pcb in there and some high temps....it's just a matter of how "safe" is it to inhale that smell?

There is an inside and outside airpath. When you use the unit, the seal of the ground glass is feeding you air from the inside. When you sniff the top of the unit, you're sniffing both, and probably most from the outside airpath, as it's larger and less resistance in relation to the heater core space to outer glass heater cover.

Test: via a silicone whip (not PVC from arizer, as some say it has a smell all its own), heat up to normal use temp, turn fan on level 1, get end of whip as far away from unit as possible, then smell the air that comes out of the whip...

2nd part of test: (Careful not to burn yourself!) Take whip tube from hot/warm end after first test and smell it to see if silicone tube lends its own smell to the testing.

Sound wierd to her about someone referring to the eq as a blast from the past when it's all so new to me.
Also I'm surprised your surprised with the eq after using a herbalizer, thought that was the best of the best out there.

Just when you think your being healthier, turns out your breathing copper suphate and nickel chloride. Think that's what's used in pcb manufacture don't know if any residue remains.

I have a herbalizer as well. Different session characteristics. I used mine stock, but preferred by EQ for any sessions that allowed me time to preheat the Arizer. For sometimes needed quick sessions, when I didn't have any time to preheat, turned to the Herbie.

I started putting a plug on end of whip when I wasn't using it. But on 2 occasions I left plug on when warming up machine to use. Only for about 10 mins and I noticed the elbow wasn't heating up. Could this have damaged the machine and caus things to overheat inside and caus future smells maybe.? Or is there somewhere for air to escape if path becomes restricted.?

Just left it on fan 1 for 15 mins at 220 with no glass. I'm pretty sure I can't smell anything. First couple seconds I can smell heat but not chemical heat. Maybe all I can smell is slightly crisped nasel hair. I think mine is fine.

I wonder if any mod can be done to the internals of the eq to further protect air path from contaminants. Either by way of pcb heatshield (ceramic maybe or something inert), or by moving pcb further away? Maybe moving it from inside the tower all together. Time to get the screw drivers out I think. Been wanting to pull apart since I got it. Got an excuse now.

LOL @ crispy nose hairs!!!! That was great!!!!

The Airzer towers have built in protection in regards to overheating. I covered this when first contacting them about the safety of my mod.

Also saw this in action when someone put the equivalent of an adapter without a center piece on the unit. (Imagine two ground glass connector ends soldered directly together, no middle...) The unit gave an error code on the lcd, then shut off. The unit returned to normal after cooling and when using regular f/f adapter.

Regarding internals and modding the airpath, I believe that was discussed sometime between August 2013 and March 2014 in this thread, either when someone stated they wanted to install a dust filter in the bottom of the unit to filter the incoming air or when they broke the heater cover... I don't recall.

Another example of something that would caus the same issue. If it is an issue. Is there a failsafe in the arizer design that allows for the safe escape for hot air. Somebody must know this.

OOps, I described the failsafe in response to one of the above quotes.

Thanks for the quick reply! I'm looking for flavor during the day, and a heavy hitter before bedtime. I've been keeping it at 190c, which i estimate to actually be around 160c.

lol wait...upgrade as in buy a new one?! how can one tell which version one has anyways lol

Anytime!

From what you describe, you may be able to achieve via the cyclone bowl and elbow packing, (for now ).

* for Flavor: vape loading herbs in the cyclone bowl. don't overload and preheat your glass! enjoy sessions from 170c - 195c (depends on your particular taste and unit calibration).

* for Heavy Hitter: gently pack your herbs in the Arizer elbow basket screen. crank your temp up to 220c-230c, again dependent on your particular taste for effects and unit calibration).

Later on, if you desire the full mod kit:

Flavor: Use either of the tall F/F's included, 14mm or 18mm. Preheat unit and adapter. Load the adapter itself, as with cyclone bowl. Enjoy the more open airpath and flavor. (the 14mm flavor seekers use medium to no grind... the 18mm any grind)

Heavy Hitter: Use either of the short F/F's included, 14mm or 18mm. Preheat unit and adapter. Gently pack any of these three pieces, depending on what adapter you've chosen = Arizer elbow/screen or 18mm Wand screen, if using the 18mm short adapter. Or if using the 14mm adapter, very gently pack the 14mm Wand screen. Enjoy the clouds!

There are many different ways to use the Arizer towers, depending on which glass pieces you have. Each changes the vapes "signature" and performance... Experiment to find your favorites!

The Q for me personally is enough power and function!

The Q is my favorite as well!

 

[lazylathe]

@biohacker

Just tested my EQ again and am super medicated!!
I let it heat up to 250 and left the fan on for 20 minutes, slight plastic smell still.
Cool down to 215.
Still using the cyclone bowl and an elbow pack, filled a ballon.
Herb was actually a bit burnt so the taste was off, don't you hat science??
Loaded another bowl and dropped temp to 210 and filled another ballon.
Very nice and tasty Nukem!
Huge, dense clouds right up your alley!

Then just for the hell of it, i loaded the low up again and this time attached some silicone hose to my WT!
Let it fester for 10 minutes and then hit it.
Instant vapour, thick and dense!!
WOW!! No wonder you love this thing with a WT!

Off to hit the FC-187 now!

 

[biohacker]

I have owned most of the vaporizers you have owned.

Underwhelmed is a understatement!

The Q for me personally is enough power and function!

Exactly!

There is an inside and outside airpath. When you use the unit, the seal of the ground glass is feeding you air from the inside. When you sniff the top of the unit, you're sniffing both, and probably most from the outside airpath, as it's larger and less resistance in relation to the heater core space to outer glass heater cover.

Excellent explanation! Thank you! I enjoy your posts, you seem to have quite the product knowledge for the EQ!

I have a herbalizer as well. Different session characteristics. I used mine stock, but preferred by EQ for any sessions that allowed me time to preheat the Arizer. For sometimes needed quick sessions, when I didn't have any time to preheat, turned to the Herbie.

This says much! If not for the instant heatup, you prefer a $150 vape over a $700+! I'd say that Herbie is a pretty damn good refined EQ in a way though.

Then just for the hell of it, i loaded the low up again and this time attached some silicone hose to my WT!
Let it fester for 10 minutes and then hit it.
Instant vapour, thick and dense!!
WOW!! No wonder you love this thing with a WT!

That's it! I LOVED how it milked!

 

[DDave]

Excellent explanation! Thank you! I enjoy your posts, you seem to have quite the product knowledge for the EQ!

Thanks @biohacker

The more I am intrigued by or interested in something, the more verbose my postings... I'm sure I've put many to on occasion...

And in turn, I've also found much value in your postings and contributions to FC! Thanks!

This says much! If not for the instant heatup, you prefer a $150 vape over a $700+! I'd say that Herbie is a pretty damn good refined EQ in a way though.

On the risk of sounding like a unit comparison (sorry), the Herbie is awesome as well!
Aesthetically pleasing, nicely built. In the realm of fast heatup times... I've also not tried any of the screen or bowl mods others have reported in with, but never could get a good hit-and-run session with Herbie.

The Arizer towers do not seem to mind being left on and I would never leave Herbie on (worried about bulb life) and I believe it has an auto-shutoff. So for my needs, the hit and run (back to whatever I was doing), for me Herbie didn't beat the "available" session speed of a preheated Arizer tower & F/F adapter. (Not even with it's ripping fast heatup time)... This is IMHO and per my particular needs.

 

[bella]

Finally, i'm back to report on my first efforts with the Q (unexpectedly crazy-busy weekend).

Firstly, the good points: easy to use with nice, smooth vapor. I ended up falling asleep whilst propped up in bed and awoke several hours later in the same position, lol It obviously works!

However, i'm having trouble getting any visible vapor before 210c. Once i hit 210c the vapor is amazing. I will pay attention tonight and see if i am still getting high prior to hitting the 210c mark.

Also, my avb is a nice brown shade but not as dark as i thought it would be. I have been going all the way up to 260c (vapor still nice and smooth even at 260c!) and am a bit surprised that the avb is not very dark.

Another thing i noticed was that there is no movement of mj in my cyclone bowl. I was expecting a bit of a 'cyclone' style vortex...?

I suspect that i just need to practise more and get to know the Q better. As i said, it certainly got the job done, so no worries there . After 3 nights i can say that i am really enjoying using the Q but feel that i am not quite making the most of its capabilities. I intend to practise as much as possible .


@VapeHeadz : coles and woolies hide their iso on the bottom shelf near the laxettes (no idea why). It's in a bright green bottle.

 

[kellya86]

I can get visable vapour at 170 - 180 in the cyclone depending on the green a bit. I let the unit warm up on fan 1 at 220 for 10 mins to get all glass hot first. With the movement in the cyclone ifind the type of draw affect this too. Some moves more than others. But you always get them bits at the edges that are out of the air path due to arizer bad design. Ddave mod fixes this.

 

[bella]

Tonight i will take more time to heat up everything. Using the fan is a good idea, i'm going to try that....

Thanks to everyone for all the good advice. I'm finally on my way!

 

[DDave]

Tonight i will take more time to heat up everything. Using the fan is a good idea, i'm going to try that....

Thanks to everyone for all the good advice. I'm finally on my way!

I agree with everyone's advice above....preheating. 10-15 minutes with cyclone bowl attached.