The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

[Knax]

I asked the guys up at UNIKATOWEBONGA if they could fit some screens for my ddave F-F adapter (@jwr38) and they said: "No problem, we can make a 18mm female-female adapter with steel screen inside. It will cost You same as adapter without screen. " so if you're lloooking for a 18mm F-F ddave adapter for the EQ, these guys are the place to go (in europe)

btw, my SSV wand is already on its way. Thanks @ragnorak71 for the ebay uk link!

 

[mikeybmw]

I got free stuff off the guys at namaste they sent me a 14.4mm wand adapter a frigging huge grinder and there water tool ..... literally grinning from ear to ear

 

[ragnorak71]

I asked the guys up at UNIKATOWEBONGA if they could fit some screens for my ddave F-F adapter (@jwr38) and they said: "No problem, we can make a 18mm female-female adapter with steel screen inside. It will cost You same as adapter without screen. " so if you're lloooking for a 18mm F-F ddave adapter for the EQ, these guys are the place to go (in europe)

btw, my SSV wand is already on its way. Thanks @ragnorak71 for the ebay uk link!

always happy to help mate, found them really helpful so hope it does what you want. hooking my eq upto the ufo this weekend, quite excited to experience the result

 

[MoltenTiger]

So last night I tried using the EQ directly on a bong. It worked very well, an all glass vapour path was a nice, but barely noticeable improvement on a silicone whip.
However, after half a hit, I noticed a strong taste and then smell of some burning electrics/plastic/material.
It seems running this vape upside down isn't an option for me, I have it on right-way up ATM and all is fine, the unit is practically scentless, but having it on and upside down seemed to trap the heat in and made it smell dangerous.. Has anyone else encountered this?

 

[ragnorak71]

hi tiger I am sure someone who does use it that way will be along to help but for me, i just use two elbows either end of a little tubing and connect one to eq and the other to bubbler. job's a good 'un

 

[MoltenTiger]

Hey ragno, for sure I do the same - sometimes with a meter of silicone pipe. Like just now, with a mixed elbow of dusties and some ground up herb on top. Really puts the extreme in the Q !
You can't match what this thing can do by combusting, not with the grade of bud I have with my tolerance [not that great and pretty high]. It is insane what is capable of with such a small amount of material and this device really sets a good starting point for experiencing that.

In general though, I think it's either unsafe to use this device upside down, or I have broken something internally in my own device..

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Somewhat off topic but possibly of interest; I've just spent way too much time looking at the Sublimator, and have read/watched the details of its workings. It uses an atomizer in addition to a very evenly heated non-forced air chamber to apparently 'atomize the vapour' , from what I gather, that means to re-vaporise more efficiently the oils, and break the larger parts of the vapour up to a finer consistency generating more cloud, and more potent hits.
Has anyone here tried one of these things? It certainly sounds ridiculous, but it does make some sense.

Seeing as the EQ is a fairly stable and effective heating device, something like what is in this image, but inverted and plugged into an EQ, could really change the game of vaporising..

Do you guys think dual vaporisation is worth considering?
If you immediately heat up vapour as its forming, does it increase the volume produced?

 

[ragnorak71]

too stoned to read that now but will look later

so tonight i was looking at the detachable mouthpiece that came with my ufo v2 and i thought 'that's 18mm that is,' I then looked at my eq female joint and thought 'and that's 18mm as well'

well, i am sure i dont have to tell you chaps what i did? that's right, I promtly got distracted by something shiny.

couple of hours later and wheeee from some direct draw goodness

http://www.dhgate.com/product/2015-...r/233447446.html#myaccount_orderdetail-1-null

see mouthpiece there, will experiment more tomorrow but is very nice at lower temp. being so close air gets warm damn fast

 

[Stu]

Hey ragno, for sure I do the same - sometimes with a meter of silicone pipe. Like just now, with a mixed elbow of dusties and some ground up herb on top. Really puts the extreme in the Q !
You can't match what this thing can do by combusting, not with the grade of bud I have with my tolerance [not that great and pretty high]. It is insane what is capable of with such a small amount of material and this device really sets a good starting point for experiencing that.

In general though, I think it's either unsafe to use this device upside down, or I have broken something internally in my own device..

__________

Somewhat off topic but possibly of interest; I've just spent way too much time looking at the Sublimator, and have read/watched the details of its workings. It uses an atomizer in addition to a very evenly heated non-forced air chamber to apparently 'atomize the vapour' , from what I gather, that means to re-vaporise more efficiently the oils, and break the larger parts of the vapour up to a finer consistency generating more cloud, and more potent hits.
Has anyone here tried one of these things? It certainly sounds ridiculous, but it does make some sense.

Seeing as the EQ is a fairly stable and effective heating device, something like what is in this image, but inverted and plugged into an EQ, could really change the game of vaporising..

Do you guys think dual vaporisation is worth considering?
If you immediately heat up vapour as its forming, does it increase the volume produced?

I wouldn't recommend inverting your EQ. It is not designed to dissipate heat upside down, so your heating up parts that you don't want heated up. Stick to the elbows/tubing like @ragnorak71 suggests would be my advice.

Regarding the Sublimator: They use a lot of terminology in their promotional material that may not be 100% scientifically accurate, but the device does provide a unique experience with very big rips. But this is the EQ thread, so if you would like more information about the Sub, you should check it out here.

 

[MoltenTiger]

@Stu Yeah that's what seemed to be the case. I've seen pictures of inverted EQs, I had no idea it was a bad idea until I noticed a hint of bad flavour by doing it, so I decided it was worth a mention.

The Sublimator does look to be one of the best performers on the market, I would like to hear someone compare it to an EQ. Regardless of the attempted explanations from the foreign developers, the technology is displayed in the cross section I linked. I think it would be neat if this template could be used to make an adapter that fits the EQ (or any 18.8mm GonG vape) that brings its technology to people not willing to spend 4 figures on a set up. If the Sublimator does offer next level hits as you seem to expect or have experienced, this is how it's done and it seems to me like this could easily transfer over to a device that I already have and has an active modding community which seem to congregate here. I would love it if I could spend $100 and get close-to Sublimator level hits, although I suspect I can already get them as is. But if this simple thermal mass and smart airway solution actually increases clouds, why not utilise it wherever clouds are being made?

 

[Stu]

@Stu Yeah that's what seemed to be the case. I've seen pictures of inverted EQs, I had no idea it was a bad idea until I noticed a hint of bad flavour by doing it, so I decided it was worth a mention.

The Sublimator does look to be one of the best performers on the market, I would like to hear someone compare it to an EQ. Regardless of the attempted explanations from the foreign developers, the technology is displayed in the cross section I linked. I think it would be neat if this template could be used to make an adapter that fits the EQ (or any 18.8mm GonG vape) that brings its technology to people not willing to spend 4 figures on a set up. If the Sublimator does offer next level hits as you seem to expect or have experienced, this is how it's done and it seems to me like this could easily transfer over to a device that I already have and has an active modding community which seem to congregate here. I would love it if I could spend $100 and get close-to Sublimator level hits, although I suspect I can already get them as is. But if this simple thermal mass and smart airway solution actually increases clouds, why not utilise it wherever clouds are being made?

Again, this is not the place for this discussion. Feel free to start a thread in General Vaporization Discussion if you like, but let's keep this thread EQ specific. I'll PM you a video that you might find interesting.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Been trying this and that. Other experimenters and new users, and FC-er's Please treat your EQ like an appliance and keep it upright. If you get an 18mm dDave, make sure it isn't too wide in the center, so that doesn't block the airflow to the unit. If you break it down, The EQ is essentially a 3 speed fan (blade-less?) a heating element and some electronics. Airflow is critical to any PCB board. Heat tends to rise. So, If you have the unit upside down, then at the very least, you are being hard on the board. And the most common normal problem with the EQ is the board malfunctioning. My 2 cents advice from one FC-er to y'all.

Oh and the 3rd thing not to do..... I uh, done goofed. But my EQ was not harmed. So this isn't a complete horror story. Just some small permanent damage to a cyclone bowl. Anyway, I took one of the elbow screens (that I accidentally stepped on earlier) and reworked it like an elbow pack into the center hole of the cyclone bowl. Then placed a few flat crumb catcher screens underneath that. Please remember this is a DO NOT TRY THIS suggestion. But yea, I apparently packed it too hard or something and restricted the airflow enough to cause COMBUSTION. Had to yank the whole thing from Bowl to bag and run too the bathroom sink and pour the smoke out of the bag. It was thick alright. Had to ISO all the smoke damage out. I'm guessing the metal of the elbow screen/reworked cyclone screen expanded with heat, because the glass center hole of the cyclone took some damage. But the hole is slightly wider, So I'll take a small positive and leaning lesson from that mess.

Now conversely, when I used the elbow screen as a bottom screen in a cyclone bowl with the screen facing dome side up. Placed another flat bottom screen as a crumb catcher underneath that. That's when everything aligned. So anyway, no more top screen and a much more open well behaved airflow. It's like a full correction from my last experience. O.K. Fine, It is a full correction.

So then I gently tamp everything with the EQ sorcerer's wand. So I don't accidentally push the screen down and make a mess. Heat/preheat the oven setting at 190c. Fan set on High. Bags fill up with an even near-opaque cloud. Eureka! ABV eventually turns Golden brown. Cyclone is easier to stir with the dome facing up and requires less stirring. Easy to clean. I can now leave the EQ on and not babysit it. Finally a no-brainier method that is consistent enough for me to work with.

Oh, I also only use 1 yard of hose from the bag to the unit. Will eventually get a replacement silicone hose with a smaller inner diameter, like sat the inner diameter of the elbow piece. So there is a less volume of air between the EQ and the baq. Less mixing with the outside air too I'm guessing. Hope this helps!

 

[MoltenTiger]

too stoned to read that now but will look later

so tonight i was looking at the detachable mouthpiece that came with my ufo v2 and i thought 'that's 18mm that is,' I then looked at my eq female joint and thought 'and that's 18mm as well'

well, i am sure i dont have to tell you chaps what i did? that's right, I promtly got distracted by something shiny.

I've got a nectar collector coming in the mail, to match with a ddave to 18M/18M adapter so I can get a direct glass + water filtration pathway without cooking my device by having it upside-down.
I'd like to buy one of those mouthpieces to compliment this set up, how is the size of it? Could you compare it to a D020 per chance?
This set up should offer yet another different experience by this amazingly versatile device and I'm pretty keen to try it.

@CuckFumbustion Sorry to hear about your combustion disaster. It's the worst surprise when vaping.
It's interesting what you have to say about the elbow screen in the cyclone bowl though. I have glass on glass hose adapter that is prone to dropping the screen down into the ddave bowl, and when this happens it creates so much less dense vapour you can tell it has happened without looking. I guess the cyclones glass screen support would focus the airflow on the herb unlike my shorter-but-wider part, which it would allow much of the air to circulate around it.
This is a good example of the different ways this thing can be used and the different set ups required to get the best results with any given method. The stock adapters are okay for all, but the best for none. If you want big, thick clouds, choke the total airflow pathway with the herb and get it as close to the heater as possible. That is why the ddave adapter is perfect for vapour bong hits.
For bag hits, I don't think the benefit is there as much as it's now a forced air vape, so there is nothing pulling the air along, only hot air being applied. So if you block the airflow it will just continue to heat up, and as heat rises and the thermometers are all below the bowl... the herb becomes like an ant under a magnifying glass.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

I've got a nectar collector coming in the mail, to match with a ddave to 18M/18M adapter so I can get a direct glass + water filtration pathway without cooking my device by having it upside-down.
I'd like to buy one of those mouthpieces to compliment this set up, how is the size of it? Could you compare it to a D020 per chance?
This set up should offer yet another different experience by this amazingly versatile device and I'm pretty keen to try it.

@CuckFumbustion Sorry to hear about your combustion disaster. It's the worst surprise when vaping.
It's interesting what you have to say about the elbow screen in the cyclone bowl though. I have glass on glass hose adapter that is prone to dropping the screen down into the ddave bowl, and when this happens it creates so much less dense vapour you can tell it has happened without looking. I guess the cyclones glass screen support would focus the airflow on the herb unlike my shorter-but-wider part, which it would allow much of the air to circulate around it.
This is a good example of the different ways this thing can be used and the different set ups required to get the best results with any given method. The stock adapters are okay for all, but the best for none. If you want big, thick clouds, choke the total airflow pathway with the herb and get it as close to the heater as possible. That is why the ddave adapter is perfect for vapour bong hits.
For bag hits, I don't think the benefit is there as much as it's now a forced air vape, so there is nothing pulling the air along, only hot air being applied. So if you block the airflow it will just continue to heat up, and as heat rises and the thermometers are all below the bowl... the herb becomes like an ant under a magnifying glass.

Yea, too much concentration of heat in a small area minus any air flow from dense packing and then disaster. It was a lot more like that "ant" you mentioned got "cremated".

Second method, you do have to be careful not to push down on the screen when stirring. (I do have the two crumb catchers there for support.) But otherwise a very gently-loosely tamped pack just enough to save yourself the trouble of top elbow screen from clogging from anything loose.
No more than that. Then everything is well behaved and requires little work for the effort.

Another benefit, With the air circulation being the emphasis, There is little stirring needed. With the lower temp at 190c, it is also a nice slow cooking/browning method. with out the harder harsher results. It is the best compromise for me between fuss free and worry free. For now.

I want to get to know my EQ like some sort of Barista before buying any more glass. Then go with something custom built. BTW isn't there two types of glass for the SSV wand? Which SSV wand would be more suitable for Ddaving? The point I mentioned earlier about a shorter replacement hose with a smaller inner diameter might be the cheapest upgrade for those considering using attachments with perhaps better results. And less loss due to less travel through the hose. Any thoughts?

 

[MoltenTiger]

Yea too much concentration of heat in a small area minus any air flow from dense packing and then disaster. Second method, you do have to be careful not to push down on the screen when stirring. (I do have the two crumb catchers there for support.) But otherwise loose and lightly tamped just enough so the top elbow in the glass elbow doesn't clog from anything loose. Then everything is well behaved and requires little work to it.

With the air circulation being the emphasis, There is little stirring needed. I want to get to know my EQ like some sort of Barista before buy any more glass. BTW isn't there two types of glass for the SSV wand? Which SSV wand would be more suitable for Ddaving?

Definitely sounds like something I'll be trying when I break out the bags. It's been too long, better get onto this soon
I never stir with my go-to method though. Which is simply a reasonably high temp (222°C) tight elbow pack to bubbler. Get huge hits, usually one massive one and then a lighter hit or two after depending on the glass I'm using. With the D020 it just keeps producing dense clouds, I think it is the most efficient piece I own and I usually use it to make sure bowls are finished as it can get whisps when other devices do not (too large volume I think). But they are hardly worth inhaling anyway

After a MFLB finishing grind, and a few chunkier 4-pc grinded bits of green on top tampered tight in the elbow screen, it near instantly whitewalls once it's been on for over a few minutes.
I probably wouldn't even recommend this as a vaping lifestyle method but it has helped me massively in my cone smoking habit. It's now not a habit, and I don't have to deal with tobacco. But how high this thing can make you, I'd built up tolerance to smoking to the point that a quarter oz would be a day if I felt like it. And at that level it's only ever the first hit of the day that gives it to you. With the EQ, it just has such a more powerful delivery mechanism it nearly negates tolerance. Simply putting in powder from a grinder takes the potency beyond any cone I've ever had, and I've pulled some monsters.

With the SSV wand, I'm not too familiar, but something to look out for with new heater attachments is the inner bore of the SG18 fittings. The EQ elbows have a really wide inner diameter which supports the elbow screens. From what I have experienced you need a bit of luck to actually get one that will fit them properly. So far I've had about a 50% success rate.
The other thing is they're shorter than many male 18.8mm joints, so if mixing replacements with a ddave adapter, if it's too long and the screen doesn't fit well, it makes it annoying to get an airtight seal and is the reason the screen kept falling out of the adapter I referenced before, it would actually get pulled out by the ddave glass. Luckily the other similar adapter I bought with it fits near perfectly, but no doubt if it doesn't work well it is useless so be prepared to waste money when modding.

 

[Acebeans]

I've had my eq for a couple weeks now and really have been enjoying it. The first 7-8 grams I put through it was a bit of a struggle but I've got everything worked out for the most part.


Just a quick question about the ground glass wand. How does it compare to elbow packing? Is it as efficient as packing the elbow? Is it possible to use the elbow screen with the wand?

 

[MoltenTiger]

I've had my eq for a couple weeks now and really have been enjoying it. The first 7-8 grams I put through it was a bit of a struggle but I've got everything worked out for the most part.


Just a quick question about the ground glass wand. How does it compare to elbow packing? Is it as efficient as packing the elbow? Is it possible to use the elbow screen with the wand?

Yep, it takes a bit to get used to. Not only in figuring out how to produce the vapour quality desired, but also I found it took a while to get used to vapour at all.

I can't answer your question fully as I don't own one, but this post should answer many a question about it.

 

[ataxian]

I want to get to know my EQ like some sort of Barista before buying any more glass. Then go with something custom built. BTW isn't there two types of glass for the SSV wand? Which SSV wand would be more suitable for Ddaving? The point I mentioned earlier about a shorter replacement hose with a smaller inner diameter might be the cheapest upgrade for those considering using attachments with perhaps better results. And less loss due to less travel through the hose. Any thoughts?

Have you ever made the Q work with
A water pipe?

I have 30 pieces or so?
SOLO will work well!
The Q is much weaker?

 

[ginolicious]

All vapes are different and have a learning curve. My buddy owns one. Took him a few weeks to figure it out.

It took me just under a week to figure out 185C is a top notch temp for me without a fan blowing. Gives me the Vapor I enjoy. It's all about personal preference

 

[Stu]

Have you ever made the Q work with
A water pipe?

I have 30 pieces or so?
SOLO will work well!
The Q is much weaker?

When I had my EQ, I got better rips with it connected to glass than the Solo. I'm not sure why you can't get good performance. Have you tried using both elbows with some tubing connected to a water toy? Elbow hits at 215°C were divine through glass if memory serves...

 

[ataxian]

When I had my EQ, I got better rips with it connected to glass than the Solo. I'm not sure why you can't get good performance. Have you tried using both elbows with some tubing connected to a water toy? Elbow hits at 215°C were divine through glass if memory serves...

I will try again tomorrow!
Other units worked out of the BOx?

 

[Stu]

Other units worked out of the BOx?

I never modded my EQ beyond replacing the crappy PVC tubing with silicone and I always got great hits out of it. After a 20 minute warm up, it always served me well.

 

[vakednotfried]

I have extreme hooked up to my bong. use elbow packs only and can get the biggest clouds from any vape i have tried thus far connected to water piece. just make sure you cut down the hose length to stop extra drag.

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Have you ever made the Q work with
A water pipe?

I have 30 pieces or so?
SOLO will work well!
The Q is much weaker?

I have an antique glass inkwell with a rubber stopper and 2 glass tubes with an inner diameter of 2mm fitted for the plug. It might get some use, once I get some replacement tubing.
Usually tho, I don't use the water pipe method so much. Getting better results with lower consistent temps with this thing. However in the last message, I did mention things like having a shorter path between the EQ and the bag and using a replacement hose with a smaller inner diameter, so there is less mixing with the inside air and possibly keeping a thicker vapor thick, Quality of glass for even heat, etc. I also gathered a few pearls of wisdom here at FC. Oh wait now I remember. That's also why and how I bought an EQ in the first place. Hah!

The EQ IMHO is at it's best as an all convection "desktop". Trying to produce thick clouds seem to be more on the higher temp-conduction heat side of the spectrum. Or being able to ramp up the temps quickly like say with a S&B or an Underdog. But there is enough variables to work with out of the box to get even wider results before ordering that Kid's first Science kit. I have however *ahem* re-purposed nearly all of my combustion glass (with some ISO) to vapor glass adapters, wands and mouthpieces. Take that combustion!

Still not sure what advantage a water pipe diffusion setup would offer. No one has given me any straight reason other than harshness. Which for me can be regulated with a few button presses, to produce an even wider range of results. Like say slow cooking vs fast broiling. But I can see cooling the vapor with a water pipe might be desirable for those trying too "fast cook" I guess.

First "dDave" I purchased was a full downgrade from my cyclone bowl and also blocked the airpath going into the EQ. Which I mentioned in a few posts back in this forum. So not all 18mm F/F adapters are created equal. So for a few dollars more, I figure, go with something custom and at my specs. Oregonglassblower has some nice looking hand-blown glass pieces adapters as one example. But I do use that odd adapter piece to add EQ whips to my portables.

 

[ataxian]

I have an antique glass inkwell with a rubber stopper and 2 glass tubes with an inner diameter of 2mm fitted for the plug. It might get some use, once I get some replacement tubing.
Usually tho, I don't use the water pipe method so much. Getting better results with lower consistent temps with this thing. However in the last message, I did mention things like having a shorter path between the EQ and the bag and using a replacement hose with a smaller inner diameter, so there is less mixing with the inside air and possibly keeping a thicker vapor thick, Quality of glass for even heat, etc. I also gathered a few pearls of wisdom here at FC. Oh wait now I remember. That's also why and how I bought an EQ in the first place. Hah!

The EQ IMHO is at it's best as an all convection "desktop". Trying to produce thick clouds seem to be more on the higher temp-conduction heat side of the spectrum. Or being able to ramp up the temps quickly like say with a S&B or an Underdog. But there is enough variables to work with out of the box to get even wider results before ordering that Kid's first Science kit. I have however *ahem* re-purposed nearly all of my combustion glass (with some ISO) to vapor glass adapters, wands and mouthpieces. Take that combustion!

Still not sure what advantage a water pipe diffusion setup would offer. No one has given me any straight reason other than harshness. Which for me can be regulated with a few button presses, to produce an even wider range of results. Like say slow cooking vs fast broiling. But I can see cooling the vapor with a water pipe might be desirable for those trying too "fast cook" I guess.

First "dDave" I purchased was a full downgrade from my cyclone bowl and also blocked the airpath going into the EQ. Which I mentioned in a few posts back in this forum. So not all 18mm F/F adapters are created equal. So for a few dollars more, I figure, go with something custom and at my specs. Oregonglassblower has some nice looking hand-blown glass pieces adapters as one example. But I do use that odd adapter piece to add EQ whips to my portables.

I use a water path because it's smoother for me mecically speaking.
I will try the Q again today.
my NANO has taken no effort at all?
the SOLO IS ANOTHER EASY one!
The Q I guess I just need to learn?

 

[MoltenTiger]

Still not sure what advantage a water pipe diffusion setup would offer. No one has given me any straight reason other than harshness. Which for me can be regulated with a few button presses, to produce an even wider range of results. Like say slow cooking vs fast broiling. But I can see cooling the vapor with a water pipe might be desirable for those trying too "fast cook" I guess.

First "dDave" I purchased was a full downgrade from my cyclone bowl and also blocked the airpath going into the EQ. Which I mentioned in a few posts back in this forum. So not all 18mm F/F adapters are created equal. So for a few dollars more, I figure, go with something custom and at my specs. Oregonglassblower has some nice looking hand-blown glass pieces adapters as one example. But I do use that odd adapter piece to add EQ whips to my portables.

Well for one thing, I have seen tests done which have shown ammonia in water after vaping. So that's a nice thing to be able to filter out, even if the amount removed is partial, it's still possibly technically worthwhile.
Where I am, all bud is illegal and thus the quality control is far from great.
Toking through water makes a definite difference, and I wouldn't say it has too much affect on potency from what I can tell. Even pieces with very effective diffusion, it still seems to give similar hits to the same bongs without water, just a lot smoother.

Plus you can add warm water, which makes it even smoother again. It's like the Vicks Inhaler of your dreams

I use a water path because it's smoother for me mecically speaking.
I will try the Q again today.
my NANO has taken no effort at all?
the SOLO IS ANOTHER EASY one!
The Q I guess I just need to learn?

The EQ is pretty much the MFLB of desktop vapes, there's a knack to it.

If you want big cones;
finely grind herb
tightly pack it so it constricts airflow (3rd party attachments will help achieve this, be creative)
wait for machine to preheat completely before using, it may pay to wait a little while for the glass elbow to heat up a bit once the device is loaded too, say 0.5-3 minuts but I tend to just toke away
drag slowly at first but continuously at an even rate
it is crucial to hold an even inhale rate
after the glass has whitewalled inhale as you please, preferably like mad until you start seeing stars
enjoy the next few hours

This should work at most heat levels, the best temp level will depend on your cannabis.
If you're lucky enough to have A-grade dank nugs, lower temps like 180C will probably vape up sufficiently, for shittier grades you might want to go right up to 235C to get reasonable effectivity. At these levels things can start getting charred, so try and adjust accordingly.

This thing pumps out high quality vapour, and although it's not going to get a volcano density and volume, it still performs exceedingly well for half the price. And that's with a bong, instead of a bag. Bags are great, but I don't feel like it is an every day thing for me. Having shiny, fresh glass on the constant is an every day thing for me and it's awesome. It's what I used to wish for as a combuster