The Arizer Air
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olivianewtonjohn
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Yeah it says 100-240V on the power adapter so should work. If you have extra $, id suggest getting a spare OEM battery and maybe even an external charger. Its very convenient having two charge at the same time. I really like my LUC V4 (1amp charging too two cells), others have had good luck with the nitecore charges.
little maggie
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How long does the first charge take? I'm becoming impatient.
Will the Haze battery work? I have one that's already charged. Also some charged in a battery pack that I'm not using.
Will the Haze battery work? I have one that's already charged. Also some charged in a battery pack that I'm not using.
CarolKing
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I believe mine was partially charged and I did a complete charge. When mine is really low it takes almost 2 1/2 - 3 hours to charge in the unit. I bought a Nitecore charger after several reports of good use. It takes about 3 + hours to charge up 2 batteries with mine.
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I will let @OF if he's not busy or @Pipes answer the electronic questions in a more in depth way.
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I will let @OF if he's not busy or @Pipes answer the electronic questions in a more in depth way.
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Episode666
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The way I understand their description, "Haze Batteries come with a built in PCB protection circuit which prevents over discharge and extends the life of the battery.", they are protected 18650, and batteries in the Air are unprotected 18650, so they are shorter. Also, asking this question here will get the same answer many before you read, the OEM battery is optimal and safe, and maintains your warranty.
OF
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The first charge should take an hour or so, maybe a bit more, but IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THE FIRST TIME YOU 'OVERCHARGE' AT LEAST FOUR HOURS before any discharging. This is for maximum battery life, has been discussed many many times.
While I recommend you not 'cheat', the call is yours. Doing so is a small but permanent lowering of capacity, it'll effect every charge from the first one on. After that initial charge, 'the die is cast' and the chance is lost.
I cannot recommend any other battery but the factory one, nor does the warranty allow it.
Sorry to suggest patients, but it's your baby, treat is as you think best.
Indeed? If they are protected they are definitely wrong. More over they probably won't fit being too big in diameter (extra foil lead and insulation) or too long (or both) as physical issues, let alone being electrically 'all wrong'.
OF
sickmanfraud
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Just want to clarify one point. While the Air is 110-240, the Luc V4 is 110 ONLY.
I looked at the Luc V4 and was told it was 110 only. Side by side I believe the features of the Luc V4 are superior, just be sure it works with your voltage.
olivianewtonjohn
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I didnt even check, good catch. Just checked and the AC adapter it came with says, "Input: 110-240VAC"
If it cant handle it you would think they would have picked a 110V specific adapter
I cant find anywhere mentioning 110-240V on the spec sheet, so youre probably right
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Looked around and found these two with good reviews and 240V compatibility. Benefit of these guys (like the LUC 4) is 1A charge rate which is slightly more than OEM charge rate AFAIK (think OEM is ~.8A). If dont mind slower charging then nitecore has great reviews as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Foxnovo-Capac...5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1437297467&sr=1-5
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OCFLJD6?psc=1
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little maggie
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I'm confused- low techy. I have a LUC V4 but haven't bought an extra battery yet. Are you saying it will work with the air or that it's not strong enough?
olivianewtonjohn
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It charges OEM 18650 batteries just fine. @sickmanfraud is saying its not compatible with 220V used in europe and other countries outside the US. Their house wall voltage is different than the US. There is some confusion because the wall adapter that came with my LUC 4 says its works with 220V but im not sure if the actual charger works at that voltage. Im in the US so not something I ever really thought about.
spiggot
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I didnt even check, good catch. Just checked and the AC adapter it came with says, "Input: 110-240VAC"
If it cant handle it you would think they would have picked a 110V specific adapter
I cant find anywhere mentioning 110-240V on the spec sheet, so youre probably right
EDIT:
Looked around and found these two with good reviews and 240V compatibility. Benefit of these guys (like the LUC 4) is 1A charge rate which is slightly more than OEM charge rate AFAIK (think OEM is ~.8A). If dont mind slower charging then nitecore has great reviews as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Foxnovo-Capac...5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1437297467&sr=1-5
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OCFLJD6?psc=1
The Efest LUC V4 is 110-240V, just like the Foxnovo. I have the 4 cell version of the Foxnovo charger linked above, works well with both the stock Air and the Panasonic 18650BD cells I use in my Air. The noise when charged is a bit loud, I opened mine up and put some Blu tac over the beeper to quieten it down a bit. I tend to use 0.5A setting rather than 1A as I have plenty of cells and I believe the slower charge to be better for the health of the cells.
Interesting that you can see the exact amount of mAh going into the cells with the Foxnovo during charging. I've noticed The Panasonics take quite a bit more mAh vs Stock cells when charging from completely flat, but then they are higher rated and also give me more sessions on the Air, so I guess this is expected.
olivianewtonjohn
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That is odd. AFAIK the panasonic have more mAh due to a lower cutoff voltage (which shouldnt come into play because of the air's cut off voltage being above that point). Centizen had some tests that demonstrated this (controlling for many variables). Youre not the first to say you get better runtime though.
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http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-64#post-713139
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UnshavenFish
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Yeah the luc is sold here (UK)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Efest-LUC-b...ie=UTF8&qid=1437355658&sr=8-1&keywords=Luc+v4
And supplied by Amazon so would guess 240v are fine.
I also have the foxnovo but the 2 bay version and I like how loud it is, although it surprised me the first time it's nice to know when it's finished and there is no way you can't notice the BEEP.
I have noticed the mAh counter while charging is not exactly reliable, only with the discharge does it IME give accurate readings.
That is odd. AFAIK the panasonic have more mAh due to a lower cutoff voltage (which shouldnt come into play because of the air's cut off voltage being above that point). Centizen had some tests that demonstrated this (controlling for many variables). Youre not the first to say you get better runtime though.
Those results from centizen reflect my results, the voltage levels are a little different from mine but they follow the same sort of drop, oh and mine are on a scrap of paper I don't have any fancy graphs
Would be interesting to hear how many sessions people that report longer usage get compared to the OEM's.
I have also been testing various cells with my storm and find the same results there, each cell has provided 13 five minute sessions each regardless of mAh, and these tests were done without drawing just burn offs till auto off so very comparable.
spiggot
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I did read a lot of information on this site and elsewhere before buying the Panasonic 18650BD cells. I had two stock cells and needed more for a festival I was going to for a few days, with no power available on site. Ordering the stock cells from Vapepower in Canada back to UK might take a while and shipping costs aren't cheap, I preferred to use a UK seller. The stock cells seemed a bit expensive from UK suppliers, so I selected an alternative to try with more mAh.
The Panasonic 18650BD cells might be overkill as they handle 10A sustained, but I gather that they are more appropriate for vaping compared to the Panasonic 18650B cells mentioned on this site, certainly for ecig mods anyway as they're designed for higher drain applications. You do sacrifice 200 mAh vs the 18650B version, but they're still well in excess of the stock cells. However the rated mAh is probably irrelevant in the Air due to the higher voltage cutoff.
I did try doing some very rough testing last week stock vs Panasonic 18650BD to see exactly how much longer they lasted. I think I got to around 10 back to back sessions on full power with the Panasonics, empty stem, no drawing, no cool down between sessions, middle of summer about 23C indoors. However at this point I think that they started failing to heat properly on full, so I don't know exactly at what point the power they were giving out would be insufficient for practical use in the Air with that method of testing. I ran out of time for further testing before having to go away for the weekend, but perhaps I should probably try and do something a bit more scientific with a Multimeter set up to see what the cells are putting out when they start running low.
It's so loud on my unit there no way that anyone in my house wouldn't notice it. Not great for overnight charging. I find it really piercing too, before modification. I was tempted to desolder the beeper entirely, as I'm not really bothered when they finish most of the time.
The Panasonic 18650BD cells might be overkill as they handle 10A sustained, but I gather that they are more appropriate for vaping compared to the Panasonic 18650B cells mentioned on this site, certainly for ecig mods anyway as they're designed for higher drain applications. You do sacrifice 200 mAh vs the 18650B version, but they're still well in excess of the stock cells. However the rated mAh is probably irrelevant in the Air due to the higher voltage cutoff.
I did try doing some very rough testing last week stock vs Panasonic 18650BD to see exactly how much longer they lasted. I think I got to around 10 back to back sessions on full power with the Panasonics, empty stem, no drawing, no cool down between sessions, middle of summer about 23C indoors. However at this point I think that they started failing to heat properly on full, so I don't know exactly at what point the power they were giving out would be insufficient for practical use in the Air with that method of testing. I ran out of time for further testing before having to go away for the weekend, but perhaps I should probably try and do something a bit more scientific with a Multimeter set up to see what the cells are putting out when they start running low.
It's so loud on my unit there no way that anyone in my house wouldn't notice it. Not great for overnight charging. I find it really piercing too, before modification. I was tempted to desolder the beeper entirely, as I'm not really bothered when they finish most of the time.
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harmless healing
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Hi guys, been lurking on this thread for a while and had my air around 3 months and loving it!
Your help through these threads has been great, even if i ain't directly asked for any yet. Its all been covered, from battery options, to using the aromatherapy bowl as a carb cap when dabbing!
Do any of your devices light up both lights cyan/turquoise sometimes when you power up, and you cant set temperature? Mine does, only way too fix is turn off and back on, quick solution that always seems to work. Just wandering if this is normal
Cheers
Namste
Your help through these threads has been great, even if i ain't directly asked for any yet. Its all been covered, from battery options, to using the aromatherapy bowl as a carb cap when dabbing!
Do any of your devices light up both lights cyan/turquoise sometimes when you power up, and you cant set temperature? Mine does, only way too fix is turn off and back on, quick solution that always seems to work. Just wandering if this is normal
Cheers
Namste
spiggot
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Only once I have seen the two turquoise lights, after a particularly vigorous ISO cleaning session on the oven following a disastrous attempt to vape some home made qwiso that left a really bad smell afterwards. I thought I'd broken my Air, but a power cycle fixed it. It's never happened since, but then I haven't felt the need to clean the oven.
UnshavenFish
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Yeah mine is crazy loud too, the first time it went off I was pretty baked and couldn't work out what was happening
started grabbing my alarm clocks (yes I need more than one, I like my sleep
) checked about 3 before I realised it was the charger lol, but I don't charge overnight so it works ok for me, no matter how baked I am I can't miss it.I have a vague memory
of two cyan lights possibly being from trying to select a temp too soon, try taking it a little slower on startup, press on then wait for lights to flash for charge level then once the blue light flashes select temp.Here it is...
The Arizer Air
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harmless healing
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Yeah mine is crazy loud too, the first time it went off I was pretty baked and couldn't work out what was happening
I have a vague memory
Here it is...
The Arizer Air
Cheers for confirming I hadn't broke it through overuse or something
Namaste
OF
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You make it sound like CentiZen recommends the Panasonic in Air.......I think he specifically advised against that? Didn't he say 'the factory battery is the best option' and back that up by stocking those exact units for sale at a discount? Did he say the 18650BD was a good choice for Air?
The 18650BD is one of many excellent cells available to us. It's not optimized for characteristics of this specific vape. It and others may work, perhaps even better in some detail, but I think 'the smart money' recommends sticking with the factory battery. And I think every 'advice' to use alternatives should include advice the maker advises against it and it voids the warranty. Too many guys make ill informed decisions because 'I read it on the web' without looking further, we should be sure that advice against maker's warnings include those cautions.
I have a considerable stash of very useful 18650s (including many 18650BDs) left over from other projects, yet when the time came I ordered spares of 'the official battery' for use in Air. Given their cost is at most a few dollars more I see it as 'cheap insurance' on a one time buy? I continue to recommend the 'factory battery' for spares/replacements, either from an Arizer dealer or straight from 'da man' (CentiZen).
Emergencies are, of course a different matter, but prior planning prevents problems there for the most part? Perhaps ordering a spare or two with the unit?
OF
spiggot
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Fair point, I could of worded that better, so I've edited my original post to remove Centizens name to avoid confusion. I was trying to give him credit for the excellent testing he did, with the expectation that interested people could then look this up themselves, as I did when I saw it posted by someone else. He did not recommend Panasonic B cells, I don't think anyone has mentioned BD, including him. I didn't think I had recommended the Panasonics myself, I was just sharing my experiences with them. If I lived in Canada I would of brought some of the stock cells from vapepower, Centizens website, but I didn't through lack of time.
My advice is and always will be to stick with the manufacturers recommendations, which I believe is on the included literature with the device. Do not use anything other than official Arizer cells. Using anything else will of course void your warranty, and depending on the cells chosen could potentially damage the device, your property and your health.
Mr.tuffyino-h-i-o
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OF
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Excellent, thanks very much for the correction/clarification.
I think we all get 'caught out' from time to time and have had to 'make do'.
OF
I'm liking the idea of a long stem...
Fuck gas and vas....
I was thinking of a stealth mini glass stem... The size of it when sticking out of the air would be About 1 - 1 1/4 cm ...(if you have a stock non plastic tip stem it would basically be cut off where to tube changes diameter.) Then find some black heat guard/silicone to stop lip burning. I'm thinking it would be do able for low temps at least. I'm not a session head when on the go.
Anyway I think that would be dope. I was thinking of trying to make one. Myself but sometimes. I waste alot of money on experiments. Haha.
I love the size of the air with no stem so that was the main idea behind this. I think it would be cool to just be able to pack it, put the stem in the air and then a mflb battery cover of the tip. So pocket lint doesn't get in.
So yeah a short stem, 1 cm would be awesome, would have to trim down a mflb battery cap for it to fit on. And that would be without a heat guard. Not sure what I would with a heat guard... But being able to keep a cap over it would be a must...
Debating getting a long solo stem or asking joda about a long stem blank or something other than drips. The drips are cool but they don't fit my vibe. I was think a color ring around the tip with one or two straight drips going down to a carb.
I think I have a bauhaus mindset when it comes to glass designs. Really wish I could try glass blowing myself and woodwork. Im always coming up with ideas. But have no clue how to manifest them.
So yeah... I've been thinking about that lately. Trying to go as cheap as possible. Probably won't follow through with any of this, haha.
Anyone ever cut a glass stem, or something similar to an air stem. Think its possible for me to cut a nontipped stem at the point when the bowl/stem diameter changes? Ideas for smoothing edges? I'm thinking I couldn't do it without spending more than it would cost to out source it.
PS, fuck... Stop me from thinking so much.. Imagine my mini glass stem idea... But if done by a real blower they could make it so it perfectly fits those ecig bubbler adapters....
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Fuck gas and vas....
I was thinking of a stealth mini glass stem... The size of it when sticking out of the air would be About 1 - 1 1/4 cm ...(if you have a stock non plastic tip stem it would basically be cut off where to tube changes diameter.) Then find some black heat guard/silicone to stop lip burning. I'm thinking it would be do able for low temps at least. I'm not a session head when on the go.
Anyway I think that would be dope. I was thinking of trying to make one. Myself but sometimes. I waste alot of money on experiments. Haha.
I love the size of the air with no stem so that was the main idea behind this. I think it would be cool to just be able to pack it, put the stem in the air and then a mflb battery cover of the tip. So pocket lint doesn't get in.
So yeah a short stem, 1 cm would be awesome, would have to trim down a mflb battery cap for it to fit on. And that would be without a heat guard. Not sure what I would with a heat guard... But being able to keep a cap over it would be a must...
Debating getting a long solo stem or asking joda about a long stem blank or something other than drips. The drips are cool but they don't fit my vibe. I was think a color ring around the tip with one or two straight drips going down to a carb.
I think I have a bauhaus mindset when it comes to glass designs. Really wish I could try glass blowing myself and woodwork. Im always coming up with ideas. But have no clue how to manifest them.
So yeah... I've been thinking about that lately. Trying to go as cheap as possible. Probably won't follow through with any of this, haha.
Anyone ever cut a glass stem, or something similar to an air stem. Think its possible for me to cut a nontipped stem at the point when the bowl/stem diameter changes? Ideas for smoothing edges? I'm thinking I couldn't do it without spending more than it would cost to out source it.
PS, fuck... Stop me from thinking so much.. Imagine my mini glass stem idea... But if done by a real blower they could make it so it perfectly fits those ecig bubbler adapters....
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