The Arizer Air

[sasNW]

Paired with the pnwt perfectly. Sorry for the orientation, the wife shot it real quick. Plus we are hungover from the brother in laws birthday last night

One of my stems is definitely loose compared to the other, which is why that one stuck to the tube.

Also my i4 charger is working great!

Edit- just wanted to say I'm getting 5-6 10 minute sessions on each of my 3 batteries, and that I also seem to prefer the air without a skin on it. It doesn't get too hot to handle at all, plus like it was mentioned before the skin makes it annoying to change the battery. Really impressed in every aspect with the air, arizer really nailed it on this one. Absolutely my new go to portable

Edit 2- just watched the video with the volume on... That's my wifes damn dog licking the air not me slobbering in my pnwt lol

 

[OF]

2 quick question :

is the draw restriction (or lack of it) similar to the solo?

having a solo (2014), is the air really an upgrade? or a similar but more portable unit ?
(like the crafty is to the mighty, same bowl but different size and batteries)

That's really 3 questions, right?

Others have put the restriction 'between the two Solo models'. That is less than the original Solo, but more than the one you have. I tend to agree with that but think the original Solo was fine.

Yes, there's a big difference between old and new Solos. Everyone with one of each notices it.

Yes, it's very similar, shorter battery life, smaller in diameter (although a bit taller), uses the same stems, reduced feature set, no battery level meter, GD awkward/impossible to read color coded BS display that screws up handicapped folks (color blind)... Did I make it clear enough I find the color coding a giant step backwards? I do. Arrogant if not ignorant.

Otherwise, I think the complement each other. If you need stealth Air makes more sense, for others Solo does.

Regards,

OF

 

[sasNW]

even the deer want to know what's up the the AA. Little guy came out of the woods right when I started puffing on it

 

[CarolKing]

IMO for what it's worth. The Air isn't an upgrade to the new and improved Solo. It's another portable option. This unit does not replace my Solo.

I'm very happy with the Arizer Air. It's about what I expected and more. This unit is better for portability than the Solo. It's much more stealth, it's looks similar to a larger e-cig. I have the black.

 

[OF]

The Air isn't an upgrade to the new and improved Solo. It's another portable option. This unit does not replace my Solo.

Well put. Different compromises on the same theme? I also agree, this is not likely to replace Solo, nor the other way around.

In a couple of random thoughts, I too think the normal Solo stems are a better call if stealth isn't a factor. Good both types come with the unit.

Secondly, there's a HUGE difference between 10 and 12 minutes in terms of my normal sessions. Sucker cuts off too quick every time, the extra 2 minutes I'm used to counts big. I refuse to be rushed, so restart another session. No big deal, and subject to change with experience, but a fun observation anyway.

OF

 

[Belgianvapor]

Still awaiting my air, should've been here yesterday, it's 9pm here so I'm pretty sure no
more deliveries today. Solo can be the king in my house one more day.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to use the stock air tubes just because it's going to be so
easy now do to reclaim compared to the bent stem.

 

[AirHead]

I 100% agree, I too enjoyed longer sessions. As I mentioned a few posts ago I usually run two sessions back-to-back on my solo, same with the air. Depending.

 

[exit]

@GSH thanks for being brave, so no problems with those Panny batteries? How many sessions can you get in on em before it dies?

@exit, that's relevant for the social types, so HOW is it easier to use, what's the difference, really?

Have you ever tried to pass a solo around a group of people? Or even one other person? If you have, I can almost guarantee you've had to explain until your head hurt how to hit a solo properly. Solo airflow resistance throws people off, people try to hit it too hard is the big problem. Trying to explain all the tricks of how to get a good hit out of a solo.

the air's airflow is more open because of the vents you see around it. you can pull considerably harder than you ever could with a solo and still get great hits.

Air is easier to use because honestly people are better at figuring it out. So many times I have handed a solo to someone and they're like "how do i turn this on? how do i set the temp? can i hit it? what do i have to do" but with the air evreything is more "intuitive" to people it seems. my friends can turn it on, set a temp, and turn it off without me telling them what to do.

Now i know people said that the air has basically the same resistance/draw/whatever as a newer solo but it isn't true. I am one of the people who's had multiple solos for ages and I know all about how the draw can give you a headache. Even if you know what to expect the solo resistance can still be a little killer.

i also honestly think the heater is more efficient - i have noticed a solo stem gets much hotter much farther up than with a solo, even on very low temps. i also feel like i get better flavor for longer and the abv comes out lighter than it does with the solo.

all in all it's very nice and a worthy successor to the solo. my very old solo with a fresh battery pack will sit around and stay my personal vape for when i am vaping alone all day

 

[Melting Pot]

Maybe I missed it. But it would be nice to see the AA with an @Ed's TnT 18 Wong or stem

 

[Shit Snacks]

The battery that came in the Air took just about 3 hours or so to charge in my i2. The spare is still charging so the standard does come with some level of pre charge.

Just running my first burn off on red now, little bit if a new factory smell just like the Solo, but i imagine it will be gone soon. Don't like the look of all the plastic near the top part instead of Solo's aluminum, but I'm sure it's perfectly fine. I don't plan on using the skin at all, didn't see it in the box (or a solo stem, but I didn't check under the main part yet). This thing is sexy small!

With the underdog at home (and many others ofcourse...) I am hoping this can replace my Solo. Its just so much more portable, everything about it is such an improvement, but j still need to use it! I think I'm going to start with the long stem and without the washer bc it seems like theres plenty of restriction already with the smaller holes and delrin mouthpiece.

 

[invertedisdead]

Secondly, there's a HUGE difference between 10 and 12 minutes in terms of my normal sessions. Sucker cuts off too quick every time, the extra 2 minutes I'm used to counts big. I refuse to be rushed, so restart another session. No big deal, and subject to change with experience, but a fun observation anyway.

OF

Yeah, I wish it was 12 minutes. I always have like 2 or 3 pulls left before it shuts off.

 

[Starless]

Yes, it's very similar, shorter battery life, smaller in diameter (although a bit taller), uses the same stems, reduced feature set, no battery level meter, GD awkward/impossible to read color coded BS display that screws up handicapped folks (color blind)... Did I make it clear enough I find the color coding a giant step backwards? I do. Arrogant if not ignorant.

Otherwise, I think the complement each other. If you need stealth Air makes more sense, for others Solo does.

Regards,

OF

I haven't been able to try it yet but I will say that the LED lights SUCK big time. I'm color blind and the color coding is just poorly done IMO. Hopefully I can work through that. Also, I would recommend at least 2 burn-in cycles. First one had a robot fart smell and on the second it was clearly fading.

 

[OF]

@GSH thanks for being brave, so no problems with those Panny batteries?

No, I don't think you can say there's "no problems with those...." at all. What you can say is the OP hasn't had any yet? And you might add it voids the warranty.....something some folks consider a problem.

For now, I think the safe advice is to follow the maker's directions. Individuals are, of course, free to take any risks they wish, but I think it's not cool to mislead each other? For sure lots of 18650s will have problems, warranty aside. I still know lots of guys that date married women and have had no problems....yet. I can't recommend that, either.

As to the draw 'issue' I'll stick with what I think the majority opinion is (between the two Solos, closer to the new one) based on holding one of each and doing 'A/B' tests (back and forth). You have to use the same type stem of course, either empty or carefully matched (I did it empty).

I'm getting that sinking feeling again that the only way to really resolve this very subjective area is with repeatable tests. Earlier attempts at this have run into problems (Tim at TV and I went round and round with this, including trying to measure vapor output...). I'm now thinking something more simple (and therefore easy to reproduce by interested parties) is in order. You need to measure flow rate while controlling pressure differentials.

Right now I'm thinking of filling a 2 liter pop bottle with water and siphoning the water out with a fixed head (say a 4 foot drop to the end of the hose??) while it draws replacement air through a second (shorter) tube through the vape. We could time the seconds to empty it and have a good, repeatable (relative) measure of flow at fixed pressure?

In such a scheme I'd expect the Air's time to be between the two Solo models.

OF

 

[exit]

I never had a robot fart smell at all but I can agree that the LED color choices are disappointing and certainly do suck, but could be worse. At least the LED colors is the worst of (most of) our issues with the air.

My career kind of requires I have good color detection so if I have trouble with it I worry for most other people!

@OF I know (and hopefully everyone else does too) that running non-stock batteries is not recommended and potentially unsafe but I'm curious as to how much stress he put on those batteries with the Air. i would want to know about any weird behavior but i would also hope he's already aware that his warranty is kaput! this said i still plan to use other cells with the air eventually, just not until i feel i know the design inside and out

@wax i'm very late to answer your post but you should expect to just get a pink slip in your mailbox, show up to your post office with it and they'll have the package waiting safely for you, i wouldnt worry.

 

[OF]

Yeah, I wish it was 12 minutes. I always have like 2 or 3 pulls left before it shuts off.

Yep, I gave some passing thought to intentionally restarting after two minutes (like after the first hit), I may give that a try and see if that restores the 'relaxed, casual' aspect to the sessions I enjoy so.

I haven't been able to try it yet but I will say that the LED lights SUCK big time. I'm color blind and the color coding is just poorly done IMO. Hopefully I can work through that.

Agreed, it does suckith.....and mightily. I don't know how many Beta testers they had, but it's clear to me none were color blind.

My 'work around' is to count steps. There are only 5. I'm using the third, so three up from start or run it all the way up (six steps to be sure) then down 3. Looking closely at my LED I can also see the elements turn on and off, but that also calls for memorizing stuff. And the colors, they are not logical at all to me. They don't, for instance, follow the color spectrum.

Boy, sure is lucky for us there's no battery level function to worry about..........

Still a useful tool, but to fall short in such a way is kinda embarrassing I think. I prefer to think it's oversight not arrogance. Still, color blind people are not a secret, real engineers/designers should know that even if they personally aren't involved. Sad.

@OF I know (and hopefully everyone else does too) that running non-stock batteries is not recommended and potentially unsafe but I'm curious as to how much stress he put on those batteries with the Air.

Great, glad to hear it. I don't think, however, you can make that assumption for everyone who might read your post? Even if you follow it up carefully.

I used to work in a lab where we made specimens for Electron Microscopes (very thin grind and polish action). Lots of Grad Students in and out. We had to be very careful with shortcuts, "the children are watching" was our mantra. Human nature and all that.

As a suggestion, if you're really dieing to get the details of the OP's experiment, why not PM him (privately) rather than declare "no problems with those Panny batteries" publically which could so easily convey the a false impression to the casual (and often 'literacy challenged') reader? Just a thought.

Glad you're on board. Thanks.

OF

 

[Vapor Loop]

I have to say I'm glad I caught the mail lady. I was standing there pen in hand ready for signature, But nothing and I nicely informed her it was priority express. A couple hours pass and someone in a civilian truck in civilian clothing shows up with it. The local p.o is only open till 12 and it didn't get there till 2:30, i'm guessing a non delivery employee is who brought it. He really didn't seem to happy and I was thrown off by the civilian well everything.

I would like to take this time to apologize for my lack of proper spelling and punctuation. I was born and raised in the u.s, but I've suffered about 10 too many concussions and a lot of basic things have gone to shit with me. I was one of those kids that would test his football and hockey helmets by running into brick walls.



I got my Air on charge now, did a few dry pulls and there's really not any resistance UNLESS you're actually pulling too hard. I gotta say I was rather concerned about it till that first dry pull. I can however see the glass screen clogging rather easy tho especially with a fine grind.

 

[Shit Snacks]

First session, maui waui mixed with grapefruit og, 10min on blue with long stem, yes this is certainly a keeper!!! (Lights wise, it is confusing that blue is the idle light, and the first temp...)

 

[GSH]

@GSH thanks for being brave, so no problems with those Panny batteries? How many sessions can you get in on em before it dies?

No worries my friend. I have had no problems so far. I have had three sessions with no unusual behaviour and what seem to be (to me) same heat up times as the Arizer cell.

I am fully aware my warranty is void, but I am happy to experiment in the name of science


Will report back with how many sessions I get in total. Probably tomorrow or Monday...

 

[fernand]

I imagine this has been answered before, but Arizer doesn't. Can someone please just tell me which accessories fit the Solo as well as the Air? Does the short tube work in both, and how well? How about the various whips etc that they offer? My Solo's oven has an ID around 0.58 " or 14.7 mm.

I'm sure the battery they sell wasn't "made specifically for use with the Arizer Air", that's nonsense. What are the specs?

Thanks

 

[DJ Colonel Corn]

Um WHAT ?
Why did the price of the air shoot back up to $259.99 ? Just last week or so we saw it drop to $199.99!
Hmmm... kinda sucks you know.
Also, for @fernand , the batteries are 18650 hi-drain. Not sure the mAh of their 'special' ones. Heh.
Looking to maybe get an air, I already have a Solo so it's not a pressing need, but.... now I'll wait for the price to go back down.
Good one, Arizer.

 

[Sinclue]

Picked mine up from the PO this morning. Charging first time now.

I'm 2 hours into charging and the light was flashing green, but now has started flashing RED.

Anybody know what that means? Can't find anything about it in the paperwork.

~

 

[fernand]

@Sinclue, LOVE your sig graphic. Oh, so true.
As to the blinking red, if it means 10 seconds to detonation, you won't be reading this ...

So, anyone, does that cutie short tube with the delrin(?) tip (to chew on) fit both Solo and Air?

I've almost broken teeth on delrin. Can't resist chewing on it, but it's hard on the teeth.

 

[OF]

I'm sure the battery they sell wasn't "made specifically for use with the Arizer Air", that's nonsense. What are the specs?

I'm glad you are so sure, I'm not. And I know most of the specs. How you could know for sure it's not possible and yet not know the specifics of what it is I don't understand.

It's not a volume thing, TV had custom made ones for a time and a tiny fraction of the volume. Right? Just because it looks identical to some other cell doesn't mean it hasn't met some oddball spec or test. Like say 'model XXX cells YY.Y millimeters or less in diameter at the head end'. Probably not happening like that, but that's exactly the sort of stuff that might be happening. Selection from the run is the way lots of parts happen. I've seen it a lot, in several places. Sometimes it comes with a special part number (there are two such numbers printed on the cell along with "B18650CC"), sometimes a dot of paint or other marking after the screening, sometimes with no indication at all. A place I worked for long ago bought lots of 250,000 pieces "2N3055" class transistors with abnormally high gain at four Amps (and withstand 120 Volts) from Texas Instruments. Those two 'run against each other' in runs, higher gain goes with lower voltage normally. They came in monthly boxes with an assortment of markings, whatever they had cheap that met our 'must have' spec, we used 1500 to 2000 a day so we got them very cheap. Cheaper from TI by contract than any distributor in town for 'the base part' (which at that use rate would have bankrupt the place in short order if it got away from us).

FWIW it makes perfect sense to me. I doubt it's really all that special, but I'm sure it's not nonsense it might be.

Um WHAT ?
Why did the price of the air shoot back up to $259.99 ? Just last week or so we saw it drop to $199.99!
Hmmm... kinda sucks you know.

Bummer. It was a 'Black Friday/Introduction' thing I think. Died Monday? If you check back there was a lot of warnings between members after Thanksgiving.....but of course you had to be there.

Release to distributors happens in January, so Arizer is the only source for now. Given the new product nature it may stay near MSRP for a while, but I expect PIU to be out front as soon as possible. Best price probably there?

Good luck. Worth getting, IMO.

I'm 2 hours into charging and the light was flashing green, but now has started flashing RED.

Anybody know what that means?

Sorry, Bro, you'll have to ask one of the guys that can see those colors separately.......

Glad you got your unit anyway, rum go yesterday.

I hope you'll be enjoying it soon. You deserve no less.

OF

 

[akwardsauce]

And the colors, they are not logical at all to me. They don't, for instance, follow the color spectrum.

OF, it ALMOST follows the color spectrum...theres just a few things to "memorize" (no O & V, but add white)...when i think about it, its almost sensible (to non colorblinds, of course...damn X* chromosomes!). they skipped orange, cuz it would be hard to tell from yellow & they had to insert white between green & blue because of the similar shades of those 2. depending on the degree of colorblindness, at least red & green are far enough away (click-wise) from each other to not be super confusing. and also, like the solos, i think we will all fall into our rhythms and this will be a very tiny issue after you've had it for a while (my SOLO rhythm was 3 for taste, which i pretty much did for new users or to taste something new, but 96% of the time, 5 was my start & finish number...im sure you guys had your own patterns where you could probably operate the SOLO after a while without even thinking/looking at it, right?). in fact, i loved my rhythm so much, that i plan on keeping it on the AIR (i think that translates to 2 for taste & 3 for the rest if I'm not mistaken)...

but, instead of ROYGBV (or roygbiv if you believe in indigo), they use (from hottest to coldest): RED (no orange) YELLOW GREEN ***WHITE*** BLUE (no purple)

5 4 3 2 1
R Y G W B...thats what i noticed, which eliminated the need for memorizing (you can even hear me "lock" that into my brain in that long ass video i uploaded)...hopefully that makes it a bit more intuitive/easier...

damn i really gotta find a way to stay off FC until wednesday...u guys just have too good of stories...

genius idea of standardizing the draws with a 2 liter, tho...im a dork for that type of statistical, sciencey shit!

 

[OF]

OF, it ALMOST follows the color spectrum...

I get it, if you contend getting 3 of the 5 in order is 'almost'. I guess I don't. Too used to reading color codes on resistors (never an easy thing, even after memorizing the tables years ago) perhaps. I think many guys will end up doing what I do anyway? Count steps and ignore the color for the most part?

OTOH it adds 'bling', lowers costs and no doubt ends up with higher sales numbers over all.

Ironic we "see" it from a different perspective???

Thanks.

OF