The Arizer Air

Deano

Deano

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Slow Draw McGraw said:
Can I just jump In here? Ive seen you ask this question a couple times across a couple threads for a couple days.The Crafty is in a different class than the Air. What exactly are you expecting out of the Air? If youre expecting a Solo but on the diet physically and not internally, than that's what you get with the Air. I've never used a Crafty, but I imagine your question is like asking if a Flowermate is as good as a Firefly.
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Right, I'm asking because I'm torn between a few different vapes and want to ensure my money is well spent. I don't have to own a crafty for status alone, but if it's really that much better then I would consider buying it.

There's so many mixed reviews about everything and in one moment I feel closer to making a decision and then the next I feel like I'm taking 2 steps backwards.

I realize there are differences such as design, app compatibility for the crafty, one using plastic while the other uses glass, etc.... But besides the physical differences, is the quality of the vape experience that much different? Could someone take a draw off the crafty then the air back to back and honestly feel spending the extra $250 or so for the crafty was truly worth it.

Again, I don't have to have the more expensive unit because price doesn't always ensure better quality over all. One thing I'm not pleased with from all the posts lately is units dying around 65-75 hours of use. I'm not sure how the warranty side is handling these but for such an expensive device I would hope for better battery/longevity.
 
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shawn0223

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sickmanfraud said:
I can only speak to the idea of a gong as a mouthpiece with regard to Solo, but I believe it is almost the same with the air. The gong is so short that you will be inhaling VERY HOT vapor.

i would also advise caution to protect your lips from the GONG. Check the heat with your hand BEFORE you put your mouth on it.

BTW PlanetVape still has regular vortex stems in stock.



Moderators please combine these two posts and please tell me where I can find instructions to multi quote. Thanks and I apologize.

The f-bomb is EITHER 14 mm or 18 mm. The 18 mm version is $25 more than 14 mm.
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I saw a couple people raving about it a few pages back. Their site doesnt list the length of the gong. Anyone know ? Currently I can use the 70mm air stem with black mouthpiece with no issues. Since I have broken all of these, I used the 60mm one this morning and it made me feel like my throat was a lil bitch lol.
 
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UnshavenFish

UnshavenFish

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My GonG is the standard 14mm without carb and is 60mm same as smaller stem with mouthpiece, not sure if others are longer.

While i can and do use this as a stem/mouthpiece without irritation and find that the glass never gets as warm as the plastic, everyone has different tastes so what is hot/harsh for some is just a nice throat hit to others.
 
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shawn0223

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UnshavenFish said:
My GonG is the standard 14mm without carb and is 60mm same as smaller stem with mouthpiece, not sure if others are longer.

While i can and do use this as a stem/mouthpiece without irritation and find that the glass never gets as warm as the plastic, everyone has different tastes so what is hot/harsh for some is just a nice throat hit to others.
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Damn it lol. Are there any aftermarket stems that are slightly longer than 60mm but not long enough like the solo stem that it kills the stealthiness? The reason I want an aftermarket is that ihave bad luck with arizer glass lol. Even on my EQ, shit just always broke on me. Ive heard pv glass is sturdy so was hoping I could find something from them
 
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olivianewtonjohn

olivianewtonjohn

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shawn0223 said:
Damn it lol. Are there any aftermarket stems that are slightly longer than 60mm but not long enough like the solo stem that it kills the stealthiness? The reason I want an aftermarket is that ihave bad luck with arizer glass lol. Even on my EQ, shit just always broke on me. Ive heard pv glass is sturdy so was hoping I could find something from them
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Most PV stuff is modified stock stems. Vertex and maybe turbo I think are the only non stock stems.
 
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UnshavenFish

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How about something from Ed's TnT in wood...the Wong is 2" so might be too short but the solo stem could be (hate to suggest it but) cut down to suit your needs (argggh feel dirty saying that lol) or he might even do a custom job for you (better option but don't know if it is an option)

I have his Wong for my haze and it is a really nice fit, good quality piece:clap:
 
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OF

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olivianewtonjohn said:
Most PV stuff is modified stock stems. Vertex and maybe turbo I think are the only non stock stems.
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Are you sure? At one point I convinced myself that they were as PV claims, 'hand blown' (made from glass stock, not Arizer parts). At the time (a while back) the PVHES had slightly larger diameter, different blow profile and tended to be more round.

At the least I think the GonGs belong on the 'custom made, not modified' list?

Bamafan86 said:
I'm getting two extra batteries. Can anyone recommend a good charger besides the one puff it up has for 45 bucks?
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Not that preserves the warranty.

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OF

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steama said:
Where does it state anywhere in Arizer warranty documentation that the use of a third party charger will void the warranty. Would you show me please? :)
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It's covered in the insert that came with the unit, right?

And it's been discussed over and over and over in this thread.

How about we do this the other way? Ask them and let us know?

A safe, no cost, alternative is to simply use the Air to recharge of course.

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OF

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steama said:
Nope. It is 100% OK to use a third party charger. Arizer does not provide a charger with the Air --- you have buy it separately.
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So that's not what it says? Mine says "Do not use any 3rd party or unknown brand batteries or chargers". What does yours say?

They do provide a charger, it's built in as in many products. A stand alone charger is not needed to use the product.

I think we get it it's "100% OK" with you, but is that the case with Arizer?

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UnshavenFish

UnshavenFish

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Bamafan86 said:
I'm getting two extra batteries. Can anyone recommend a good charger besides the one puff it up has for 45 bucks?
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If you do go down the external charger route IMO two that i own and would recommend are the nitecore d2 or xtar vp2, they both have digital voltage readout and i have found them both give excellent results. As far as i understand the 4 cell versions if all slots are used will take a little longer to fully charge, lots of in-depth reviews online for both of these.

While i have enough vapes that charging in unit works for me (just as well as chargers are always busy with other devices) the paper work i received with my air states :

-customers are urged to be careful when purchasing batteries due to the flood of counterfeit and inferior-quality batteries for sale often found on on-line auction and various websites.

-the use of counterfeit and/or inferior-quality lithium batteries can cause internal shorts leading to fires and/or explosions which can result in property damage and/or personal injury.

-the use of counterfeit and/or inferior-quality batteries could greatly reduce runtime and output performance, damage your arizer air, constitute a safety hazard, and voids all warranties.

While there is no mention of chargers here further up it states:

-it is recommended to use arizer air batteries & chargers. Do not use any third-party or unknown brand batteries or chargers.

While there is no mention here specifically about void warranty i think this could be a grey area and unless someone confirms with arizer it will stay that way, although @CentiZen and others findings show that other chargers behave the same way as charging in unit.

I probably haven't helped clear that up much but meh i had a go :lol:
 
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OF

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UnshavenFish said:
While there is no mention of chargers here further up it states:

-it is recommended to use arizer air batteries & chargers. Do not use any third-party or unknown brand batteries or chargers.

While there is no mention here specifically about void warranty i think this could be a grey area and unless someone confirms with arizer it will stay that way, although @CentiZen and others findings show that other chargers behave the same way as charging in unit.
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Such warranties are not a given. It's not required. It's a contractual agreement. And your ability to claim benefits under it depends on your following their instructions. They, like other makers, get to make those rules. Not us.

Again, the important key would be Arizer saying using XXX charger instead is OK, and that they will honor the warranty in such a case. Anyone have that commitment from them?

Thanks for typing it all out.

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Justpassedu

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UnshavenFish said:
How about something from Ed's TnT in wood...the Wong is 2" so might be too short but the solo stem could be (hate to suggest it but) cut down to suit your needs (argggh feel dirty saying that lol) or he might even do a custom job for you (better option but don't know if it is an option)

I have his Wong for my haze and it is a really nice fit, good quality piece:clap:
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Ed is in the process of making wood stems specifically made for the Air. If you choose to buy one for the solo it could possibly stretch out the rubber gaskets in your air causing them to make all your stems fit loosely. I am currently beta testing 1 at the moment and will have some results posted by next week , i just need a bit more time with it to test different grind consistencies and use it with water tools. So far so good though, Trying my best to help him make the best stem possible for us all and i know he is as well .
 
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Bamafan86 said:
I'm getting two extra batteries. Can anyone recommend a good charger besides the one puff it up has for 45 bucks?
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Arizer.com has them on sale, which works out to $28 USD, see if Randy will match?
UnshavenFish said:
My GonG is the standard 14mm without carb and is 60mm same as smaller stem with mouthpiece, not sure if others are longer.
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18mm regular GonG is 65mm long,
Justpassedu said:
Ed is in the process of making wood stems specifically made for the Air.
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Last I checked, he was using 9/16", which is convenient, but .5625" is too small IMO, would love to see a .570" diameter WonG.
 
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Deano said:
http://m.dhgate.com/product/pinnacle-pro-vaporizer-14mm-glass-hydro-water/208889240.html
Is this the inline bubbler compatible with the solo? I'm worried these are knock offs so I want to be sure what I'm purchasing is legit.

What else do I need to make this work?
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This glass adapter from PV . 14 mm and it's in stock .

https://www.planetvape.ca/pvhegong-high-efficiency-gong.html

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Justpassedu

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Vapormatic said:
Arizer.com has them on sale, which works out to $28 USD, see if Randy will match?

18mm regular GonG is 65mm long,

Last I checked, he was using 9/16", which is convenient, but .5625" is too small IMO, would love to see a .570" diameter WonG.
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I am not sure of the diameter he is going to use on the final product yet and i am unsure of what diameter i have now in my beta unit but it fits well and actually could be a tiny drop bigger. The problem is everyone is going to have a different diameter in the air as the rubber gaskets wear in depending on the stems used. I know mine personally have been stretched out a bit from using the stock solo all glass type stem my air had come with when i 1st bought it. It was tighter fitting than stock and i dont use it anymore bc of this. I know Ed will find a happy medium for everyone though and i will keep everyone posted on my results by next week sometime.
 
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TommydCat

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It seems much of the charger/battery issue is getting towards legal advice. The fact that Arizer put such a warranty restriction around an industry standard part is unfortunate. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty act would seem to cover this as stated several times previously, but please realize that one must be willing to go to court to seek injunctive relief for it to actually affect anyone reading. Right now we only have opinions ;)

I frown upon Arizer claiming dibs on a industry standard part, but I have used and enjoyed their various products and hear about the great service and warranty (if you keep to their terms, though I have never had to take them up on it). Just keep in mind their product works as advertised when used as recommended and you'll never get everyone to agree (gold/white or black/blue?) about specific warranty provisions.

I think it's best to save the speculation for the engineering rather than the legal aspect. Perhaps a separate thread would serve better for "bad warranty clause" cause (and Arizer certainly is not one of the leading offenders by a long shot).
 
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OF said:
Are you sure? At one point I convinced myself that they were as PV claims, 'hand blown' (made from glass stock, not Arizer parts). At the time (a while back) the PVHES had slightly larger diameter, different blow profile and tended to be more round.

At the least I think the GonGs belong on the 'custom made, not modified' list?

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Pretty sure that's what they told me when I had a very loose gong. I will double check my email when I get home.

Regarding external chargers I'll happily keep using my external charger unless I hear otherwise. Of course its important to use a high quality charger but I need a logical reason to not use it. Because arizer says so, isn't a good enough reason in my book. In my mind its for liability reasons so if someone uses a cheap charger (or any aftermarket charger) and burns down their house, arizer can point to what they said. My external charger works with IMR and charges to the same voltage, charges at almost the same amperage as well.

EDIT: Yes PV definitely said non turbo PVHEGong were modified arizer solo stems. Turbo they manufacture themselves, and I'd assume vortex are as well.
 
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