T-Bucket Banger System by NewVape

The Stray Fox

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I am also confused about the differences other than size and weight?
I’ve settled on the TB because it seems like it’s easier to clean and keeps the heat a bit further away from the piece. I would imagine with all that NV has invested in the Tsunami it would make sense the TB would be around for awhile. I do wish it had a cap that keeps the dish from falling out like the DCup and a stand like the one that used to be available for the DCup.

@RustyOldNail yep some good reads here... just discussing....you know. I’ve been missing @EmDeemo the past week or so. I wish him well.
 

Rastakolnikov

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I much prefer the rimless design of the t-bucket. It means you can load up your dish and drop it into the preheated t-bucket for tasty cold start dabs.
 
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RustyOldNail

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I dont think it's going to do any harm to the dish but i'll post back here if I'm wrong.

My NV Sapphire 30mm dish was $150. I’ve read a 300f change of temperature can crack it. Don’t dump anything like cold water on a hot sapphire dish, I’ve seen em CRACK. I’m usually around 570f (dish temp), and I do use a DRY QTIP right after a dab, with no issues. Good luck!
 

Rastakolnikov

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Yeah with shipping and import costs a replacement dish would end up costing me close to £200 so I don't want to take risks with it! But the thickness of the base of the dish means the increase in temperature is still quite gradual, and sapphire handles heat well. Cracking usually comes from extreme rapid cooling, like dropping a hot dish into water.
 

livingthedream

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Loving this thread 🙌
I accidentally thermal shocked my Saph Dish in the D'Cup as it wasn't cool enough to clean with water/iso trick 🤦🏻‍♂️ Obviously while NV were out of stock.. As Rastakolnikov says an expensive mistake in the UK!
Having lived with the T-Bucket/Saph for a few weeks now it's an entirely different beast!
Currently rocking 1x 6mm Saph ball (Edmunson Optics) @510f swabbing immediately and cleaning ball every 3x dabs as flavour degrades otherwise.
Very happy! Now to nail down these boost settings for 1 hit wonders on larger dabs!

I do have a 6mm Ruby but that seems to ruin flavour, anyone else noticed this?!?
 

Rastakolnikov

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@livingthedream Yeah I noticed the same thing with my rubies, but they are just cheap ones from dhgate. Using the sapphire dish on it's own tastes great but adding a ruby completely ruins the flavour, even with reduced temps, so i went back to the empty dish.
If those clear sapphires are tasting better for you then I'm gonna have to add a couple to the shopping list.
 

livingthedream

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If those clear sapphires are tasting better for you then I'm gonna have to add a couple to the shopping list.
I'm firm on using a Saph ball for high vapour production with great flavour, even from a very small dab. I see much less vapour and more tokes to complete similar amounts without.
Although slower than the D'Cup they spin up real nice with the 1 hole OG Carb cap or a DHGate 50mm Quartz disk. There's more air intake on the disk so OG Cap is preferred for better vacuum / draw resistance.

Currently testing 5mm, 5.5mm and 6mm balls boosting from @515°f Rosin to @545°f Shatter dialing that 1 hit wonder in.
Positive findings from 8mm have me intrigued, didn't even consider going that big!
T-Bucket is better suited to a larger rig than the D'Cup, joint heat is virtually non existent on a 45mm M&M set up with whip (Old Sublimator habits die hard)

Very tempted on the Ribbon temp sensor for an accurate offset. Got it down to around £130 for sensor and Type K display, be good shout for dialing in Rosin plates.. that's my proposed justification!
 

arb

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I'm firm on using a Saph ball for high vapour production with great flavour, even from a very small dab. I see much less vapour and more tokes to complete similar amounts without.
Although slower than the D'Cup they spin up real nice with the 1 hole OG Carb cap or a DHGate 50mm Quartz disk. There's more air intake on the disk so OG Cap is preferred for better vacuum / draw resistance.

Currently testing 5mm, 5.5mm and 6mm balls boosting from @515°f Rosin to @545°f Shatter dialing that 1 hit wonder in.
Positive findings from 8mm have me intrigued, didn't even consider going that big!
T-Bucket is better suited to a larger rig than the D'Cup, joint heat is virtually non existent on a 45mm M&M set up with whip (Old Sublimator habits die hard)

Very tempted on the Ribbon temp sensor for an accurate offset. Got it down to around £130 for sensor and Type K display, be good shout for dialing in Rosin plates.. that's my proposed justification!
You not only need it,you deserve it.
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so from what I’m reading and understanding, there’s not a substantial difference between the Tb and Dc and likewise ... not a very substantial price difference.

a few factors like accomodating 45deg joints is irrelevant to me, I don’t have much glass and I’d rather keep the joint support vertical anyway, but it’s a nice bonus to have. I don’t see any 45deg joints in my future but who knows. Moot point.

next, and realistically the biggest difference, heat isolation. Obviously more is better, but I just purchased a small dab rig. I’m a little worried the extra weight and its distance from centermass might be dangerous for a 7” piece. I got a step down adaptor for both cleanliness and for heat isolation. A tbucket on a step down just seems like a bad idea, but again, not totally sure until I have everything in my hands.

I could be absolutely wrong, please chime in more if I am.... From the outside it feels like the longer draw tube on the Tb is, essentially... a metal step-down unit. So if true, at that point, I’m looking at a $50 difference between two devices, and if the Dc needs (or I feel it’s necessary for my fancy new piece) a $30 step down to achieve what the new unit already does, with a few extra benefits....my decision has basically been made.

My only real issue at this point is how stable the extra length will be on this rig. I got a leisure incycler coming, I suppose I’ll have a better idea of how it’ll work once I get my vrod on it to test out.

But at the end of the day I’m more than a little worried about leaving a hot coil attached to “nice” glass for 6, 8, or 12+ hours at a time now that I’m home 99.9% of the time. The stand is familiar, and unquestionably a better/safer holder of hot things than any glass rig. Only real pro for the dcup I can see.

But still, now that I’m leaning towards the Tb camp, the next decision to make is the controller for it.

I have a 300rdkb for my vrod, really happy with the unit. I feel like a second 300 might be overkill. I’ll likely hook the tbucket onto my 300 (to play with boosting although I don’t think that’ll be a regular thing) and either go for the cheap 200 for the vrod or, correct me if I’m wrong, it looks like the newvape controllers are now “standard” pin layout, so I might just thank them for changing that and put my vrod onto a nv controller, which could slide under my auber, possibly.

I’ll say this, the paradox of choice is a real bitch. Idk where I’d be without all your terrible influences. I look back onto my days of using a $60 vapcap, $30 China class, and 3-4 caps a day like ... wow have things snowballed.

This place has made me more knowledgeable, more particular/discerning, and way more serious in general to where I finally (after 5+ years of vaping) get the “hobby” aspect, even if I still don’t totally jive with the “cannaculture” personally.

just a quick shoutout to the FC crew here. I’ll start making shorter posts once I figure out my shit, I promise.
 

The Stray Fox

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It sounds like you did your research and know what you’re getting into. I agonized over this same dilemma. TB or DC? I ultimately went with the DCup. The DCup was designed to be a compact e-banger. The TBucket was designed for an all in one unit, the tsunami, then was adapted to be a stand alone banger. If the TBucket had a shorter tube (I was worried about tipping) and a cover that kept the dish from falling out it would be perfect in my opinion. But it doesn’t and the DCup does. The DCup sits very nicely on the heat post especially with the 14mm wpa. I’ve been told the TBucket does as well. I don’t leave my DCup on the rig. There is heat transfer to the piece but it’s not bad. All in all I’m most pleased with how compact the DCup is. I’ve heard the TBucket is quite a bit bigger. But, with that said, I still want a TBucket. 😂
so from what I’m reading and understanding, there’s not a substantial difference between the Tb and Dc and likewise ... not a very substantial price difference.

a few factors like accomodating 45deg joints is irrelevant to me, I don’t have much glass and I’d rather keep the joint support vertical anyway, but it’s a nice bonus to have. I don’t see any 45deg joints in my future but who knows. Moot point.

next, and realistically the biggest difference, heat isolation. Obviously more is better, but I just purchased a small dab rig. I’m a little worried the extra weight and its distance from centermass might be dangerous for a 7” piece. I got a step down adaptor for both cleanliness and for heat isolation. A tbucket on a step down just seems like a bad idea, but again, not totally sure until I have everything in my hands.

I could be absolutely wrong, please chime in more if I am.... From the outside it feels like the longer draw tube on the Tb is, essentially... a metal step-down unit. So if true, at that point, I’m looking at a $50 difference between two devices, and if the Dc needs (or I feel it’s necessary for my fancy new piece) a $30 step down to achieve what the new unit already does, with a few extra benefits....my decision has basically been made.

My only real issue at this point is how stable the extra length will be on this rig. I got a leisure incycler coming, I suppose I’ll have a better idea of how it’ll work once I get my vrod on it to test out.

But at the end of the day I’m more than a little worried about leaving a hot coil attached to “nice” glass for 6, 8, or 12+ hours at a time now that I’m home 99.9% of the time. The stand is familiar, and unquestionably a better/safer holder of hot things than any glass rig. Only real pro for the dcup I can see.

But still, now that I’m leaning towards the Tb camp, the next decision to make is the controller for it.

I have a 300rdkb for my vrod, really happy with the unit. I feel like a second 300 might be overkill. I’ll likely hook the tbucket onto my 300 (to play with boosting although I don’t think that’ll be a regular thing) and either go for the cheap 200 for the vrod or, correct me if I’m wrong, it looks like the newvape controllers are now “standard” pin layout, so I might just thank them for changing that and put my vrod onto a nv controller, which could slide under my auber, possibly.

I’ll say this, the paradox of choice is a real bitch. Idk where I’d be without all your terrible influences. I look back onto my days of using a $60 vapcap, $30 China class, and 3-4 caps a day like ... wow have things snowballed.

This place has made me more knowledgeable, more particular/discerning, and way more serious in general to where I finally (after 5+ years of vaping) get the “hobby” aspect, even if I still don’t totally jive with the “cannaculture” personally.

just a quick shoutout to the FC crew here. I’ll start making shorter posts once I figure out my shit, I promise.
 
@The Stray Fox I actually went through the Dcup thread and saw you’ve been busy the last few weeks! Great stuff!

Your setup looks awesome,esp love the dark stained dabber handle. I didn’t realize the dcup (and tbucket I guess) would sit INside the stand rather than over it like the vrod. That double stand is badass too, lots of good ideas there as well.

you bring some super valid points... the tbucket was meant to be attached to a metal Box and was adapted to sit in glass, and also does not “hold” the dish in place with a lip.

From what I’ve gathered the lip adds any dubious benefit other than securing the dish from flying out, which I’m not terribly concerned about. But I also have very little experience dabbing and even less experience with enails. Are flying dishes that aren’t screwed down a common thing? I see how an unsecured dish might fall out with a lot of moving on/off the stand like the dcup is meant to. But since the tbucket is meant not to move... I don’t think the lack of lip is a factor for me, even if I do plan to probably get a sapphire insert too, where a little security can’t really hurt.

But yeah lots of good concerns that I’d love to keep hashing out and weighing over the next few weeks with everyone’s help as I decide.

and @RustyOldNail youre blowing my mind here. Just did a quick search, are you talking about these ptfe sleeves? Looks like a worthwhile addition, any suggestions on where to find them in 14mm and 18mm sizes for our needs?
 

The Stray Fox

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Teflon joint sleeves
Interesting. I’ve not come across those. I use a 18mm step down with a 14mm reducer. Not because I’m worried about breakage. I’ve just come to enjoy this setup. But if expansion did break something I’d be out maybe $10. Anyhow, Teflon sleeves, cool.
love the dark stained dabber handle
Torched it while spinning in my drill.
Are flying dishes that aren’t screwed down a common thing?
Probably not. Mine stays pretty well seated. I will admit that twice now I have been admiring the DCup, stoned, tipped it to its side and heard the dish hit the lid. It would have fallen out. Stoner moment...yes. I could also see knocking it over or the rig tipping over and the lid saving the day. It’s funny. It costs $50 less for that insurance.
 

LesPlenty

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these ptfe sleeves?
I have these but like them about as much as condoms....GonG for me!
I broke about 10 dropdowns before I got these,
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But they just feel wrong, I swapped to a quartz spacer on my Halo and that fixed the problem too so the ptfe is back in the draw.
I would rather a TBucket over a DCup due to being able to adjust the angles, most of my China glass is not level so the TBucket can take up the slack to level things back out for terp ball spinning.

Edit, I also do not use these with Ti on Glass anymore since the quartz spacer fix that stopped my blowouts as I don't have to worry about melting the PTFE when I am burn off cleaning my SiC Halo at 999f.
 
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RustyOldNail

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I have these but like them about as much as condoms....GonG for me!
I broke about 10 dropdowns before I got these,
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But they just feel wrong, I swapped to a quartz spacer on my Halo and that fixed the problem too so the ptfe is back in the draw.
I would rather a TBucket over a DCup due to being able to adjust the angles, most of my China glass is not level so the TBucket can take up the slack to level things back out for terp ball spinning.

I believe that’s where I bought mine. While I prefer GONG, these work great and live on my METAL DCup 14mm male. No heat worries, tight fit, and no vapor touches the airpath, as mine is cut shorter then the length of the metal joint.
 

hypez604

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so from what I’m reading and understanding, there’s not a substantial difference between the Tb and Dc and likewise ... not a very substantial price difference.

a few factors like accomodating 45deg joints is irrelevant to me, I don’t have much glass and I’d rather keep the joint support vertical anyway, but it’s a nice bonus to have. I don’t see any 45deg joints in my future but who knows. Moot point.

next, and realistically the biggest difference, heat isolation. Obviously more is better, but I just purchased a small dab rig. I’m a little worried the extra weight and its distance from centermass might be dangerous for a 7” piece. I got a step down adaptor for both cleanliness and for heat isolation. A tbucket on a step down just seems like a bad idea, but again, not totally sure until I have everything in my hands.

I could be absolutely wrong, please chime in more if I am.... From the outside it feels like the longer draw tube on the Tb is, essentially... a metal step-down unit. So if true, at that point, I’m looking at a $50 difference between two devices, and if the Dc needs (or I feel it’s necessary for my fancy new piece) a $30 step down to achieve what the new unit already does, with a few extra benefits....my decision has basically been made.

My only real issue at this point is how stable the extra length will be on this rig. I got a leisure incycler coming, I suppose I’ll have a better idea of how it’ll work once I get my vrod on it to test out.

But at the end of the day I’m more than a little worried about leaving a hot coil attached to “nice” glass for 6, 8, or 12+ hours at a time now that I’m home 99.9% of the time. The stand is familiar, and unquestionably a better/safer holder of hot things than any glass rig. Only real pro for the dcup I can see.

But still, now that I’m leaning towards the Tb camp, the next decision to make is the controller for it.

I have a 300rdkb for my vrod, really happy with the unit. I feel like a second 300 might be overkill. I’ll likely hook the tbucket onto my 300 (to play with boosting although I don’t think that’ll be a regular thing) and either go for the cheap 200 for the vrod or, correct me if I’m wrong, it looks like the newvape controllers are now “standard” pin layout, so I might just thank them for changing that and put my vrod onto a nv controller, which could slide under my auber, possibly.

I’ll say this, the paradox of choice is a real bitch. Idk where I’d be without all your terrible influences. I look back onto my days of using a $60 vapcap, $30 China class, and 3-4 caps a day like ... wow have things snowballed.

This place has made me more knowledgeable, more particular/discerning, and way more serious in general to where I finally (after 5+ years of vaping) get the “hobby” aspect, even if I still don’t totally jive with the “cannaculture” personally.

just a quick shoutout to the FC crew here. I’ll start making shorter posts once I figure out my shit, I promise.
I own both the Tb and Dc. Tb is a nicer setup overall. I think it offers better and smoother flavor because of the longer and physically cooler air path, it contains the splatter better etc. Balancing the Tb on smaller pieces is pretty easy, I have mine on a 8" tall one.
 

hypez604

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I also own both NV and 300RDK controller, I think between the two its a matter of preference and which features you want out of it. Both perform well for me. They both have a non-standard pin arrangement which only seems to work with the NV coils.

The one advantage that NV controller has for my use is that I can put it on a smart plug, and turn it on/off remotely. Can't do that with the 300RDK because it has a "soft" on/off button which needs to be pressed each time after power is restored to turn on. On the other hand the 300 has a built-in timer which turns it off if you leave it on by mistake, a feature I can also get through the smart-plug when using the NV controller. 300 definitely has more fine tuning available and slightly better tweaking, slicker looks for my taste and the turn dial is nice for the temp adjustment.

Another feature I like about the 300 is that after its been turned off it keeps displaying the monitored temp till it gets below 100f or so.
 
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I’m pretty much set on the tbucket over the dcup ... with both sic and sapphire inserts. Yes it will be paired with the auber. I fiddle occasionally.

using my vrod dish on my new 7” recycler is a little tricky, but nothing a few mins of tinkering couldn’t solve. Basically the coil handle offsets my drop down when its on the shovelhead. Even with all this room for improvement, the difference in flavor and vapor output = definitely noticeable, another bang-on recommendation from the forum. It’s like dumb small though, barely taller than my iPhone ...

Live resin tastes so good I can barely wait for Black Friday to hit to splurge.
 
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