Silver Surfer Vaporizer

[ststeve]

I'm a recent convert to vaporizing after almost 30 years of smoking as my way of medicating. Haven't smoked since 4/20 and I'm not looking back....

I purchased a SSV a couple weeks back and love it! Big/heavy hits, good at conserving product (especially in comparison to smoking) and I didn't have the learning curve that others seemed to experience in my research prior to purchase. I posted some SSV/Seventh Floor questions on a thread that I started when I first joined (quit smoking) but this might be the best thread for them...

Any opinions/knowledge would be greatly appreciated.....

Already have the itch for accessories. I have a few questions for the experienced folks out there:

1. Are there any other online retailers for seventh floor products besides their own site? I can't seem to find many sites that offer more than SSV's, tubing, some wands, etc.

2. I'm considering the shorty wand as I'm the only consumer in the household and I thought it might help conserve product and produce bigger hits. Any thoughts?

3. What's the general thought on the seventh floor's Ice Chambers? They look cool and seem pretty easy to use but a bit pricey maybe. I haven't really investigated any other glass pieces that would be compatible.

4. In about 3.5 weeks the family and I are headed to Colorado for the summer. Excited to try some other products- shatter, waxes, budder, etc. For those that have tried- how is the SSV with those products? I understand that I will need to get the oil concentrate kit ($80 on seventh floors website...yikes) in order to make it work though. ..does seventh floor ever have sales...hehe.

 

[shredder]

I'm a recent convert to vaporizing after almost 30 years of smoking as my way of medicating. Haven't smoked since 4/20 and I'm not looking back....

I purchased a SSV a couple weeks back and love it! Big/heavy hits, good at conserving product (especially in comparison to smoking) and I didn't have the learning curve that others seemed to experience in my research prior to purchase. I posted some SSV/Seventh Floor questions on a thread that I started when I first joined (quit smoking) but this might be the best thread for them...

Any opinions/knowledge would be greatly appreciated.....

Already have the itch for accessories. I have a few questions for the experienced folks out there:

1. Are there any other online retailers for seventh floor products besides their own site? I can't seem to find many sites that offer more than SSV's, tubing, some wands, etc.

2. I'm considering the shorty wand as I'm the only consumer in the household and I thought it might help conserve product and produce bigger hits. Any thoughts?

3. What's the general thought on the seventh floor's Ice Chambers? They look cool and seem pretty easy to use but a bit pricey maybe. I haven't really investigated any other glass pieces that would be compatible.

4. In about 3.5 weeks the family and I are headed to Colorado for the summer. Excited to try some other products- shatter, waxes, budder, etc. For those that have tried- how is the SSV with those products? I understand that I will need to get the oil concentrate kit ($80 on seventh floors website...yikes) in order to make it work though. ..does seventh floor ever have sales...hehe.

1) yes, there are some, but what more do you need but wands, tubing, or ssv's?

2) I'm too new to using a ssv to give you a decent answer, but I also use an enano stem for smaller more personal sessions. I have to turn down the heat a bit bt it works very well. But I have a ground glass heater cover.

3) I went back and read a lot of the archives here, and decided it was not worth it. I do have the water adaptor though, and I've been finishing off sessions using a silicone wand and a fc-187 water pipe from dhgate, and loving it. The mouth piece swaps out with this tube very well. I got a ten foot piece off amazon.

4) I have no experience here, sorry.

 

[Tweak]

2. I'm considering the shorty wand as I'm the only consumer in the household and I thought it might help conserve product and produce bigger hits. Any thoughts?

I don't think anybody has ordered the shorty. Looks like it would work fine.

Some other options are the Vapor Brothers Mini Wand and Vapor Brother standard. They are both smaller diameter wands than the stock SSV.

 

[ststeve]

1) yes, there are some, but what more do you need but wands, tubing, or ssv's?

Looking for the Oil concentrate kit, a shorty wand and possibly a Ice Chamber

Some other options are the Vapor Brothers Mini Wand and Vapor Brother standard. They are both smaller diameter wands than the stock SSV.

Thanks for the info - I will check out the Vapor Bros. Mini - I have a standard heater cover, I assume it will work with that set-up(?)

 

[Tweak]

I have a standard heater cover

Yup, only the standard.

Also you could check out my EQ screen or basket screen mod. Basically you remove the metal ring from the EQ elbow screen leaving a big basket screen that is very fine mesh. This can be placed at the tip of your Standard wand, making a small load much easier to vape. Or make them yourself, for example in Steama's post.

 

[Grim Chiclets]

You Could remove the screen from the Surfer wand and stuff in a bit of cotton with some wax/oil/shatter wrapped up in the middle, works for pretty much any convection vape

 

[chimpybits]

Or you could just get the Shorty.
That's the route I plan to go for smaller loads. Tweak's mod doesn't work for me and the cost difference (once shipping is included) is negligible between the quality 7th floor wand and the thinner glass VB wand. Other than @Herb-nerd, no one here has tried the Shorty.

 

[Avogadro]

Avogadro says:
"Why is everyone going small? The SSV Fatty Hands Wand is the way to go."

 

[zor]

Hey all, I come with more questions about the oil nail kit usage. Earlier this week I received a glass bubbler and hooked it up to my SSV to enjoy my concentrates. Recently I've been setting it to the 1-2 o'clock position and have had nice hits but after a few hits with this set up I noticed what appear to be wax splatters on the site of the bubbler:

Sorry, getting the appropriate focus is difficult with my phone's camera.

Anyway, I've since increased the temp to max but have already had a flare up and the wax combusted (scares the shit out of me when it happens, heh), no idea if that will reduce the deposition of the wax on the glass.

Anyone else experience something similar to this? Seems like a lot of wasted concentrate, maybe my dabs are too large? I'm at a loss.

 

[Herb-nerd]

I'm a recent convert to vaporizing after almost 30 years of smoking as my way of medicating. Haven't smoked since 4/20 and I'm not looking back....

I purchased a SSV a couple weeks back and love it! Big/heavy hits, good at conserving product (especially in comparison to smoking) and I didn't have the learning curve that others seemed to experience in my research prior to purchase. I posted some SSV/Seventh Floor questions on a thread that I started when I first joined (quit smoking) but this might be the best thread for them...

Any opinions/knowledge would be greatly appreciated.....

Already have the itch for accessories. I have a few questions for the experienced folks out there:

1. Are there any other online retailers for seventh floor products besides their own site? I can't seem to find many sites that offer more than SSV's, tubing, some wands, etc.

2. I'm considering the shorty wand as I'm the only consumer in the household and I thought it might help conserve product and produce bigger hits. Any thoughts?

3. What's the general thought on the seventh floor's Ice Chambers? They look cool and seem pretty easy to use but a bit pricey maybe. I haven't really investigated any other glass pieces that would be compatible.

4. In about 3.5 weeks the family and I are headed to Colorado for the summer. Excited to try some other products- shatter, waxes, budder, etc. For those that have tried- how is the SSV with those products? I understand that I will need to get the oil concentrate kit ($80 on seventh floors website...yikes) in order to make it work though. ..does seventh floor ever have sales...hehe.

You could try the basket screen in the standard want to reduce the volume of the load for better efficiency with smaller hits ( as suggested before ).
Alternatively you could try the ground glass heater-cover with a standard GG want and use an Arizer basket screen (i prefer this method) - though it would require you to purchase another Heater-Cover and wand.

I recommend trying the basket/elbow screen.

The Ice chambers are really really nice pieces of glass and i enjoy them massively when i use them, though i don't use them everyday - only when i want to try get some really dense nebulous clouds of relief without the irritation that comes with that vapor density clouds without cooling. Also for groups, its a very good way to let people get the effects in a familiar fashion and due to the increased ability to take larger rips, most end up taking only a few before they are satisfied.

As for your visit to Colorado - if you are even around CO Springs, pop into Higher Elevations MasterPiece Productions (The head-shop owned and run by 7th floor and the creator of the silver surfer). The staff there would be able to show you all the accessories and just seeing them would really help you see one of the plethora of configurations that will work for your situation (say the british engineering guy sent you!).

 

[Herb-nerd]

Hey all, I come with more questions about the oil nail kit usage. Earlier this week I received a glass bubbler and hooked it up to my SSV to enjoy my concentrates. Recently I've been setting it to the 1-2 o'clock position and have had nice hits but after a few hits with this set up I noticed what appear to be wax splatters on the site of the bubbler:

Sorry, getting the appropriate focus is difficult with my phone's camera.

Anyway, I've since increased the temp to max but have already had a flare up and the wax combusted (scares the shit out of me when it happens, heh), no idea if that will reduce the deposition of the wax on the glass.

Anyone else experience something similar to this? Seems like a lot of wasted concentrate, maybe my dabs are too large? I'm at a loss.

This is why we have to harvest re-claim. Its unavoidable really.

Its difficult to prevent the condensation of the larger sticker particulates of vaporized oil, especially on cold glass surfaces. I Expect the larger oil droplets in the colloid mix produced when dabbing (relative to bud-vapour colloids) to increase the amount of build up in the glass pieces.

if i use my silver surfer bud only i end up with an oily reclaim much the same colour but after ALOT longer usage - indicating to me that the above proposition could be the culprit.

Recyclers are touted to reduce the build up of reclaim - or at least localise it to one area for easier cleaning. I do see the possibility for the reduction of re-claim build-up coming from a reduced surface area.

Anyone else's thoughts on the matter would be of interest to us all i imagine!

If the wax is combusting or exploding on the nail that implies some unpurged butane or possibly a bubble of air that was previously contained expanding with head and venting from the less viscous heated oil in a rather energetic manner.


Another recommendation is warm water in the bubbler to increase the temperature of the glass and atmosphere and reduce condensate

 

[KidFated.]

Hey all, I come with more questions about the oil nail kit usage. Earlier this week I received a glass bubbler and hooked it up to my SSV to enjoy my concentrates. Recently I've been setting it to the 1-2 o'clock position and have had nice hits but after a few hits with this set up I noticed what appear to be wax splatters on the site of the bubbler:

Sorry, getting the appropriate focus is difficult with my phone's camera.

Anyway, I've since increased the temp to max but have already had a flare up and the wax combusted (scares the shit out of me when it happens, heh), no idea if that will reduce the deposition of the wax on the glass.

Anyone else experience something similar to this? Seems like a lot of wasted concentrate, maybe my dabs are too large? I'm at a loss.

Try smaller dabs with a slower draw maybe

 

[Herb-nerd]

Try smaller dabs with a slower draw maybe

Good point that i forgot to add.

Larger dabs reduce the temperature of the nail quicker which reduces the ability of the nail to properly volatilize the oil - this results in larger droplets of oil that can clump back together easier, Its better to use higher temperatures with smaller dabs as per kidfated's wisdom.

Good shout

 

[Herb-nerd]

I messed up an edit, so here is another post..... my bad.

My persons preference is to run the nail at maximum temperature. As the surfer nail doesn't get quite as hot as other E-Nails then it can't BURN off any impurities in your oil. It only reaches oil vaporization temperatures not combustion temperatures which results in vaporization of only the cannabinoid oils.
This means its a good idea to clean the nail periodically as you will notice carbonised build up.

Don't consider this a detriment in function however, i was initially concerned when i realised this before it became apparent that i would prefer to vape oil at the temperatures it needs rather than much higher than required, this way the impurities stick to the nail and don't get burned for my healthy lungs to inhale.

I haven't looked properly into this other than my own experiments and extractions on nails and reclaim using ethanol washes.

Though i am investigating the idea of better temperature control to allow low temperature vaping then high temperature cleaning.

 

[zor]

Yeah, I posited smaller dabs as an alternative but why would a slower draw help? Less cooling, in theory? The travel time will then increase, so I'm not sure the tradeoff is worth it.

Hearing that this is a common issue is fine, that's enough of a confirmation to set my mind at ease. Thanks guys!

edit: it also makes me wonder of much crap is condensing in my lungs. I certainly feel waxy deposits on my teeth, obviously I'd be coughing like mad if large particles were condensing in my chest, but it also makes me wonder about the longer term effects....

 

[Herb-nerd]

Yeah, I posited smaller dabs as an alternative but why would a slower draw help? Less cooling, in theory? The travel time will then increase, so I'm not sure the tradeoff is worth it.

Hearing that this is a common issue is fine, that's enough of a confirmation to set my mind at ease. Thanks guys!

edit: it also makes me wonder of much crap is condensing in my lungs. I certainly feel waxy deposits on my teeth, obviously I'd be coughing like mad if large particles were condensing in my chest, but it also makes me wonder about the longer term effects....

you and me both buddy!

This is all the things i ponder post-dab.

Though i focus more on the collection in my mouth and teeth.

The way i see it with the lungs is that i have managed to deliver decarboxylated (active) cannabinoids directly to the alveoli with little impurities. As long as this residue can be processed and absorbed by the body without undue stress, then we have directly applied medically active components to the internals of the lungs.

Once again, assuming this isn't hindering respiratory ability largely (plus or minus 5%) then it could be considered a positive and healthy thing in terms of cancer prevention and damaged cell apoptosis.
THC is shown to kill cancer when directly applied to sites of interest though not YET medically with full acknowledgements from the community.

Cant be worse than tar form tobacco anyways! I believe some studies hint that smoking cannabis with tobacco reduces the effect of tobacco on the lungs and they suffer less from lung cancer.

 

[grokit]

Or you could just get the Shorty.
That's the route I plan to go for smaller loads. Tweak's mod doesn't work for me and the cost difference (once shipping is included) is negligible between the quality 7th floor wand and the thinner glass VB wand. Other than @Herb-nerd, no one here has tried the Shorty.

The shorty will offer the same load size as a standard-length wand; it's just shorter. I want to get a standard shorty wand, but with an 18mm male joint welded on the other end for my latest lsv experiment

Is it the basket screens that go in stems that doesn't work for you with the thinner wands? I had this issue, because my preferred screen-cleaning method (fire!) doesn't work well with these molded screens. But I've learned that they're quite easy to deal with if you rotate a couple of them in and out of a jar of iso.

Another thought as far as efficiency goes, the standard ground glass wand has two screen positions. The closer position is best for 1-2 hitters, and move it to the second position you can have a party bowl

 

[chimpybits]

The shorty will offer the same load size as a standard-length wand; it's just shorter...

Really?! Here is the shorty. Certainly looks like a lot smaller load than the standard wand. Also, @Herb-nerd suggested that a page back.

 

[Herb-nerd]

Really?! Here is the shorty. Certainly looks like a lot smaller load than the standard wand. Also, @Herb-nerd suggested that a page back.

shorty has a smaller bowl.

I use the GG with this bowl for my small hits, though i just emailed the powers that be out a thinner wand prototype being made.

You can try and get the basket screen above, and then cut off the brim and fit them into your standard wand.

This reduces the volume of bud and allows you to slide the load closer or further from the heater.

 

[grokit]

shorty has a smaller bowl.

Where did you get this information? From the 7th floor link:

"This is a shorter version of the standard glass wand. These wands are exactly the same as a normal standard wand but are 1.5 inches shorter."

 

[Herb-nerd]

Where did you get this information? From the 7th floor link:

"This is a shorter version of the standard glass wand. These wands are exactly the same as a normal standard wand but are 1.5 inches shorter."

Understandable mistake caused by poor description.
Ill get on that.

Shorty has noticeably smaller bowl

 

[shredder]

Where did you get this information? From the 7th floor link:

"This is a shorter version of the standard glass wand. These wands are exactly the same as a normal standard wand but are 1.5 inches shorter."

Must be a Scottish wand, lol.

Ya, I read that as well on their site. My thoughts were, what's the point? Maybe the person in charge of answering emails wrote that.

 

[Tweak]

Can we get a shot of the inside of the shorty, see how much room is actually there?

It doesn't look like much room. I doubt it would even fit my dome screens. I loath the concave flat screens, allow too much debris through.

Tweak's mod doesn't work for me and the cost difference (once shipping is included) is negligible between the quality 7th floor wand and the thinner glass VB wand

Just curious what you mean by that. How did the screen not work?

My basket screens work with the stock SSV standard wand, the reason I recommend the VB wand is because it's 11mm, which IMO is the perfect diameter for the standard SSV HC. I'm not referring to the Mini wand but the full size VB standard. Are they really that much thinner?

 

[grokit]

I'm deducting that the short wand is the same diameter, but contrary to the description and according to the photos provided by @Herb-nerd, the the diameter of the bowls are the same but the shorty is...

Spoiler: wait for it...

shorter.

 

[chimpybits]

...Just curious what you mean by that. How did the screen not work?

Well, unfortch my SSV standard wand is both unusually deep and wide. The standard SSV screen doesn't properly fit letting too much through. The EQ basket screens (with brim removed) just slip all the way down.

I want the Shorty over the VB product because it is better quality glass and intl shipping costs mitigate any savings from the VB wand.