Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless

[BoogerMan]

@farscaper

What kind of numbers did you think the small press is putting down?

I've been trying to calculate a rough estimate, but the D-nail mechanism is more complicated than a simple class 1 lever (below).

Found this diagram online which seems to be closer to the D-nail mechanism:

So if you apply the same ratios to 25-50 lbs, theres a minimum force of 106 lbs and a maximum of 300 lbs.

Divide that by 25 sq in and you get a surface pressure of 4.25-12 PSI. Maybe my calculations are off but those numbers seem low. And when you consider the larger press (225 sq in) the numbers drop much lower.

I thought BubbleMan said in his review video that the small dnail press does 1,200 or 1,600 pounds of pressure?

They have a nice little FAQ page started, but it doesn't look like it says the amount of pressure
http://www.d-nail.com/info/d-nail-heat-press-faqs/

 

[vinnyzan]

So will these presses improve yeild or is it more aimed at pressing larger amounts ?

 

[BoogerMan]

So will these presses improve yeild or is it more aimed at pressing larger amounts ?

Yes, they will improve yield compared to a hair straigtener. More pressure also allows you to use lower temps which will help preserve terpenes (taste/flavor).

From my understanding a lever or mechanical press (like d-nails) is better than a hair straighter, but a pneumatic press is the best available.

I see a hair straightener as the cheapest and most readily available option for personal use (not ideal for larger amounts).

However, if you can afford a couple hundred dollar purchase, it seems like the lever or mechanical press (d-nails or a t-shirt press) is a good personal option and can handle small and larger runs.

I honestly only see a pneumatic press being used for production purposes (very large amounts). Yes, a mechanical press like d-nails would work for production as well, but your arms might get tired after a couple hours of pressing. However, a pneumatic press will be the most expensive out of the 3.

 

[vinnyzan]

Definitely considering getting in on this round of pre orders, any one around here order one yet ?

 

[herbivore21]

Yes, they will improve yield compared to a hair straigtener. More pressure also allows you to use lower temps which will help preserve terpenes (taste/flavor).

From my understanding a lever or mechanical press (like d-nails) is better than a hair straighter, but a pneumatic press is the best available.

I see a hair straightener as the cheapest and most readily available option for personal use (not ideal for larger amounts).

However, if you can afford a couple hundred dollar purchase, it seems like the lever or mechanical press (d-nails or a t-shirt press) is a good personal option and can handle small and larger runs.

I honestly only see a pneumatic press being used for production purposes (very large amounts). Yes, a mechanical press like d-nails would work for production as well, but your arms might get tired after a couple hours of pressing. However, a pneumatic press will be the most expensive out of the 3.

For sure. Pneumatic dnail presses are not too far away. I am pretty sure some other manufacturers offer them too. Still, you are spot on to point out that for personal headstash, you really don't need a pneumatic setup. That's more for if you wanna be a big-time rosin mogul

I find that hair straighteners are only worth my time with bubble, buds just take forever to get a good amount of medicine made.

With the bigger presses (mechanical, pneumatic or hydraulic) this specific property of buds should present no significant impediment to producing plenty of good rosin in reasonable time

I imagine plenty of you, like me are looking forward to getting a better press that makes bud pressing a less time consuming and effort-exerting proposition

Less heat would also be ideal, I wonder how low we can go in heat for this to work? I might actually look into crunching the numbers and working out which temp is best when I have a bit of free time, I'll be sure to report back

 

[BoogerMan]

Definitely considering getting in on this round of pre orders, any one around here order one yet ?

I ordered the small 5x5 press the day of or the day after they became available. So hopefully I get one of the first ones that are being sent to us normal folk lol.

For sure. Pneumatic dnail presses are not too far away. I am pretty sure some other manufacturers offer them too. Still, you are spot on to point out that for personal headstash, you really don't need a pneumatic setup. That's more for if you wanna be a big-time rosin mogul

I find that hair straighteners are only worth my time with bubble, buds just take forever to get a good amount of medicine made.

With the bigger presses (mechanical, pneumatic or hydraulic) this specific property of buds should present no significant impediment to producing plenty of good rosin in reasonable time

I imagine plenty of you, like me are looking forward to getting a better press that makes bud pressing a less time consuming and effort-exerting proposition

Less heat would also be ideal, I wonder how low we can go in heat for this to work? I might actually look into crunching the numbers and working out which temp is best when I have a bit of free time, I'll be sure to report back

Do you like pressing bud or keif/hash better?

I have a feeling that I will be doing a lot of dry sifting and pressing that material over pressing buds. Especially after all the amazing info @Hashtag46&2 has given me about dry sifting. But then again I've never made rosin or done dry sifting so right now I'm all talk haha

 

[Bouldorado]

I thought BubbleMan said in his review video that the small dnail press does 1,200 or 1,600 pounds of pressure?

They have a nice little FAQ page started, but it doesn't look like it says the amount of pressure
http://www.d-nail.com/info/d-nail-heat-press-faqs/

That seems to be within reason. I tried searching the t-shirt forums and mfg sites for an actual # but no luck. Did find this though:

LIght pressure is just that.. light. Don't have to sweat this too much. Medium is solid pressure that does not require a lot of pushing on the handle to close, relative to what heavy requires. On heavy pressure closing the manual press requires actual effort for a grown man to close. Heavy needs two hands on the handle for most. The paper trick will allow you to make sure the platen is making solid contact on all sides as on heavy pressure the paper can not be pulled out. Hope this helps.

So these presses definitely require a bit of muscle, more than I would've thought. Looking at the bubbleman review that seems to be the case with the D-nail press. Doesn't seem like he can close it while it sitting (11:15 if my timestamp didn't work)

Edit: Dnail posted this on FB last week:
And ~1500 lbs, minimum 55psi if it's fully loaded

 

[weenstoned]

Man I wonder if that is just not a good strain cuz I think I get more from most buds with my hair straightener and vice grip.

 

[Zingbuddah]

Man I wonder if that is just not a good strain cuz I think I get more from most buds with my hair straightener and vice grip.

You beat me too it....although I've done around 18 different strains on a straightener and one one had limited yields, I get far more than what is shown in the vid....then again it does take some form as this isn't a strict science (yet)

My thought is, Hey....it's Bubbleman, he isn't Flowerman so he does far less with flower pressing. Can't wait to see some more of these videos going up!

 

[Bouldorado]

yeah I agree those yields seem low. He does another press @ ~16:00 with slightly better results. still looks comparable to my sub-10% presses though. I think he needs to increase the temp- the rosin collects right at the perimeter of the coin, rather than spreading out more. exactly what happened when I experimented with really low temps.

 

[smokum]

If anyone wants an awesome iron that is low temp and tough as nails. This one is back in stock on the eBay!

Ordered !! Thks for the link

Once the table tops are more defined and in use a while, I'll consider the expense

 

[weenstoned]

yeah I agree those yields seem low. He does another press @ ~16:00 with slightly better results. still looks comparable to my sub-10% presses though. I think he needs to increase the temp- the rosin collects right at the perimeter of the coin, rather than spreading out more. exactly what happened when I experimented with really low temps.

Could be that with the pressure spread over a larger surface area isn't as effective on one bud as less pressure concentrated on a smaller surface area. Hopefully you're right though and he just had the temp too low.

 

[Joel W.]

I admit, I will be bummed if a 400$ press can not replicate presses like this from a 26$ hair press and a basic vice.

New strain. Epic press for me.

 

[Been Vapin]

I don't think a gecko style press/dnail style delivers enough pressure to fully extract everything.

For example, I took some pieces of hash that had Been pressed 3x in a gecko. Pressed it once with a hair iron and clamp and this pooped out.

More gecko salvaged material

 

[Joel W.]

I think welding in some triangle gussets at the base stand would take a lot of that flex out of bubbleman's press allowing for more even pressure.. I figure if I can't get enough pressure with the manual press, i will transfer the plates to my hydraulic press and fine tune it.

I did my first qwet with busted up rosin chips and some loose leaf and got 4 grams back.

 

[BoogerMan]

I don't think a gecko style press/dnail style delivers enough pressure to fully extract everything.

For example, I took some pieces of hash that had Been pressed 3x in a gecko. Pressed it once with a hair iron and clamp and this pooped out.

More gecko salvaged material

@Been Vapin do you know how much pressure you are getting with your clamp? And what temp do you use for your flat iron when salvaging the gecko pressed hash?

Do you know what pressure/temp was used with the gecko on the first presses of the hash?

I admit, I will be bummed if a 400$ press can not replicate presses like this from a 26$ hair press and a basic vice.

New strain. Epic press for me.

@Joel W. looks great! What temp are you using?

I think bubbleman was using 245F for bud which seems lower than what most people use with the flat iron right?

I'm going to be bummed as well if the press doesn't work well with bud squishing.

But worst case, I guess I can dry sift and press that...I plan on doing that anyway, but it's just not as convenient.

 

[Joel W.]

Those 2 strains were right at 232f but that second pic, I could watch the rosin being squished into the parchment so I kept going until it stopped moving. At least 20 seconds. Even at that there is rosin still stuck to my bud edges. I think @NorVape has the right idea in soaking hot rosin chips in booze right after pressing.

 

[Bouldorado]

@Been Vapin

I think bubbleman was using 245F for bud which seems lower than what most people use with the flat iron right?

I've done presses with the arbor press @ ~220F and seemed to get a much better yield than bubbleman. Much shorter press too.

I wonder if that top spring plate is absorbing a lot of pressure? seems like it compresses a decent bit. I think that was intended to level the plates for t shirts, but it may not be necessary for rosin.

 

[vinnyzan]

I guess we won't really know whats up until we start hearing some user reviews, as of right now we've only heard bubblemans 2 cents right ?

 

[Bouldorado]

Pretty much. seems bubbleman got hooked up as a promotional deal. I think the rest don't ship until september

 

[herbivore21]

I ordered the small 5x5 press the day of or the day after they became available. So hopefully I get one of the first ones that are being sent to us normal folk lol.



Do you like pressing bud or keif/hash better?

I have a feeling that I will be doing a lot of dry sifting and pressing that material over pressing buds. Especially after all the amazing info @Hashtag46&2 has given me about dry sifting. But then again I've never made rosin or done dry sifting so right now I'm all talk haha

I have tried a simple single screen sift to make a crude dry sift for pressing, but find that this kind of kief doesn't get such good yields. Bubble hash seems to me to be the most effective thing to squoosh rosin out of due to the additional moisture retained from the extraction process. Of course, I'm sure that higher quality dry sifts will be similarly great for squishing - I just don't have the screens to do such a serious sift, nor the time.

At present, I squash a 3-4 star (half to 3/4 melt) bubble hash in a hair straightener and get massive yields, never weighed them but easily 60%-70% returns.

I have attempted with bud once or twice, but the yields are just negligible and I can't be bothered pressing buds for ages on end to develop myself a good supply of dabs. I can squash a week's supply of bubble in 10-20 minutes! lol imagine how long that'd take with buds?

Still, unlike many, I do not rely on rosin very heavily to create my headstash... I still am doing solvent techs to extract from flowers. This will change when I start making my own bubble and have plenty of 2-4 star material to squish - any full melt will be kept aside and dabbed in its original state

I've done presses with the arbor press @ ~220F and seemed to get a much better yield than bubbleman. Much shorter press too.

I wonder if that top spring plate is absorbing a lot of pressure? seems like it compresses a decent bit. I think that was intended to level the plates for t shirts, but it may not be necessary for rosin.

It's an adjustable press bro. You can loosen an adjustment nut and turn the top plate to cause it to exert more pressure. Those who watch bubbleman's videos know that the video was made when he had just received it and I wonder if he actually had adjusted his press at all?

Still, there's always the idiosyncrasies of the buds too as others mention. Bubbleman also says many times (as has Jeff Church IIRC) that buds, being organic material can give extremely varied presses. This echoes what I have learned from my solvent experiences.

Some will press nothing, some will squish out heaps. This may be what we are seeing. There is also the state of moisture in the bud (oh man, I recently tried to squish some of the very dry buds I have left - what a useless pursuit lol).

I do think that presses with more ability to exert pressure (such as hydraulic and pneumatic ones) will give us the best results, I wonder what we can squash out with so much more pressure and less heat?

Still, the standard small d-nail press seems to be all anyone would need if they have some average quality bubble/dry sift sitting around. The bubble squishes in that bubbleman video were insane, I could squash out a week's supply of dabs in one squish with that!

By the way for whoever mentioned it, bubbleman was probably standing up to operate the press so as to not injure himself by awkwardly contorting himself in the chair to reach the lever and pull down. This is probably wise and I would heartily recommend anyone using any mechanical press do the same so as not to pull something stretching in an awkward way. This will probably go for all kinds of presses actually.

 

[Bouldorado]

Haha you're not sponsored by D-Nail are you Herbivore? I see you rep their stuff in a lot of posts.

Anyways, I get that the press is adjustable but it seems that out-of-the box use is not optimized for flowers (at least the one B-man reviewed). If I'm spending 400 bucks for something that can be done with a household appliance @ 10% of the cost, it better perform that task flawlessly and be easier to use and adjust. It seemed to work decently well with bubble, but I think processing flower into bubble, and then bubble into rosin, is highly inefficient for people who don't make it on a commercial scale a la Bubbleman.

 

[herbivore21]

Haha you're not sponsored by D-Nail are you Herbivore? I see you rep their stuff in a lot of posts.

Anyways, I get that the press is adjustable but it seems that out-of-the box use is not optimized for flowers (at least the one B-man reviewed). If I'm spending 400 bucks for something that can be done with a household appliance @ 10% of the cost, it better perform that task flawlessly and be easier to use and adjust. It seemed to work decently well with bubble, but I think processing flower into bubble, and then bubble into rosin, is highly inefficient for people who don't make it on a commercial scale a la Bubbleman.

I should be shouldn't I lol!

Na, I beta test some of their products (like the herb nail which is coming super soon) so I know a bit more info about them than many around here. I share this stuff because obviously plenty around here would like to hear the little extra bits of inside scoop that I can share where it helps address their questions/comments.

Another major reason I say so much about d-nail products is simple: I only use my d-nail now since I only really dab anymore after rosin came along (rosin negated my need for other vapes to hit the melty but not full melt bubble hash I've had for ages now that I use for sleep, as such, I'm about to sell my vapman).

Depending on if the new herb nail satisfies my very occasional herb usage needs, I'll probably hang onto the Mighty/Minicron lite for the very little portable usage I need now and then and use my d-nail exclusively.

I am a big fan of parsimony as a scientist and there is a great appeal to me in not needing to own so many vapes, especially in an utterly prohibitionist jurisdiction.

However, because some have implied that I have a conflict of interest in different threads around here (whilst I know that is not what you are doing bro I'm seriously thinking of adding this to my signature lol):

1. I live tens of thousands of miles away from anybody with anything to do with d-nail.
2. I have never, ever made any money off of anybody who has taken my advice and bought a d-nail! The sole exception is point #3...
3. I have never sold a d-nail except for when I sold one of my 2 units second hand to a friend who has nothing to do with FC.

As you'll all note, I regularly give credit to other manufacturers and never steer people away from other products if they suit their needs. Whilst I am of the view that EVERY e-nail user should get SiC/Sapphire (because it's just plainly the best material I've ever dabbed on and anyone who has used it will agree lol - it wouldn't matter if fucking Monsanto made it, I give credit where it is due for the best), I am always ready to suggest that they can opt for a cheaper controller from a competitor and still get these great results.

Hopefully this clears up any misconceptions and let me add one explicit promise:

The moment that I am sponsored by d-nail or profiting personally from their sales (if this should ever happen), I will be the FIRST to tell everybody here. I trust that those of you around here who know me know that conflicts of interest are absolutely the opposite of what I'm about!

Also on views surrounding turning buds into bubble then pressing bubble as opposed to pressing buds: I'm throwing my hat in the bubble making ring very soon so can provide feedback for personal runs (which are all I do!). This information is actually really scant and I have had very little joy looking for advice or assistance on bubble around these parts.

You're right that the usual suspects for this kind of info (like Bubbleman) do far bigger runs than we would be doing - the man has a fucking 20 gallon machine lol

I agree that a press needs to work better than a straightener for sure. Still, it was plain to see that Bubbleman's press was working unequivocally way better than my hair straightener tek is getting with bubble.

It definitely worked better than any of my experiences with pressing bud too, but I know that buds have massive, massive numbers of variables involved when it comes to how they'll press and until I use a press personally with material that I am intimately familiar with, I will reserve judgment.

Also the current d-nail presses are a beta product - we'd be pretty remiss to expect them to be the ideal presses. For anyone waiting for the ideal press (makes perfect sense of course!) and not wanting to spend money until then, don't buy the beta presses - that is a bad idea. Wait until final products are out there, I'm sure there'll be plenty of options in the not-too-distant future.

I am not interested in pressing buds, it is completely impractical for reasons that are specific to me and not relevant to you guys!

I should probably qualify every single post in this thread that I have made by saying that all of my comments relate to pressing bubble unless I specifically mention pressing bud.

I'm about to be doing some new experiments combining aspects of various solvent based and solventless techs and hopefully will have some exciting new stuff to share around here very soon too

I hope this gargantuan post clears things up some.

Truth be told; I have actually been contemplating not posting on FC anymore because of a few recent instances of people questioning my motives and alleging conflicts of interest.

@Bouldorado you are absolutely not one of these people and I have long enjoyed following your posts , in fact, no such allegations have occurred in this thread.

I don't want to single people out, but want to make it clear that I am sincere and have good reason to provide more information about d-nail products than anything else (I no longer use anything else lol).

I spend a lot of time trying to provide a lot of personal assistance and information to people here - but I struggle with mental illness (why I medicate) and if responses and allegations around here start to effect my mood IRL - my mental health has to come first!

All the best to you all in your squishing endeavors!

 

[Joel W.]

I really like the idea of pressing bubble. I have 3-4 different bags here but I think it takes me just as long or longer to collect the rosin than it does pressing the flowers really. Realistically, I don't see this changing much with the dnail press except I hope to be done pressing in 5 (bubble or bud) with expecting longer collection times.

I pressed 4+ grams this am in about 10 minutes with a hairpress and big vise and it might have taken 10-15 minutes to collect it afterwards. I am pretty slow and I take my time though because it jumps like shatter sometimes. An honest half hours work for a gram I think.

2 presses collected faster than I can type this post.

 

[herbivore21]

I really like the idea of pressing bubble. I have 3-4 different bags here but I think it takes me just as long or longer to collect the rosin than it does pressing the flowers really. Realistically, I don't see this changing much with the dnail press except I hope to be done pressing in 5 (bubble or bud) with expecting longer collection times.

I pressed 4+ grams this am in about 10 minutes with a hairpress and big vise and it might have taken 10-15 minutes to collect it afterwards. I am pretty slow and I take my time though because it jumps like shatter sometimes. An honest half hours work for a gram I think.

2 presses collected faster than I can type this post.

Looks nice brother!

The reason I say that I don't press flowers but it may work for you guys is in part because I have no strain selection options here.

The flowers I do get do not seem to squash well at all, but definitely produce weight when it comes to purrdy shatter yields and they vape up like a dream. There is no doubt it is high quality, but for whatever reason, these buds really don't squish. They are much denser nugs than most other material/strains I've run into so I wonder if this is a relevant factor?

I wish I had the selection of starting material that you guys get! One day we'll catch up in this part of the world... hopefully!