Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless

Hackerman

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guyonthecouch said:
@Hackerman are you decarbing your rosin to make it ingestible? or is there an added benefit to vaping decarbed extract?
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Yes, I decarb for ingestion. I decarb about 1 gram at a time in a small beaker on a hotplate. Watch the bubbles and when the big ones stop and the little ones are almost stopped, I'm done. Temp of rosin is from about 230F to under 300F. Takes a few minutes, no more.

I don't think there would be any benefit to vaping decarb'd pot but I have my doubts about exactly how much a vaporizer decarbs pot (for ingestion), but that's a whole nother thread.
 
MonkeyTime

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Hackerman said:
Yes, I decarb for ingestion. I decarb about 1 gram at a time in a small beaker on a hotplate. Watch the bubbles and when the big ones stop and the little ones are almost stopped, I'm done. Temp of rosin is from about 230F to under 300F. Takes a few minutes, no more.

I don't think there would be any benefit to vaping decarb'd pot but I have my doubts about exactly how much a vaporizer decarbs pot (for ingestion), but that's a whole nother thread.
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Sorry for OT, but gotta ask. Do you notice much degradation when it gets up around 300F? I've noticed both a huge taste loss, and it gives me closer to a ABV stone than the same stuff but kept lower. Granted that is only with herb and hash, but it seems pretty consistent.

So, it seems no matter how much I read here, I understand it all and @psychonaut has spelled it out, yet I have a hard time making a simple decision on this :mental: Its the clear head tonight that made me realize that I know I want a 20T with a gauge, and I usually get there eventually once I start looking at something like this, but I feel guilty.

I put off things for a long time for the kids. I'm finally getting back to me time, @dabpress.com , look for a PM for the coupon, I'm finding a press!
 
psychonaut

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All big purchases come with some guilt, part of the reason I didnt get into it until I was able to source cheaper plates was the price. If you stick with tried and true equipment that's not necessarily top of the line, but still solid quality, you'll hopefully be able to brush the guilt to the side and enjoy the years of pressing that comes from it. From a money perspective, I like to take the 20% returns figure and put it up against concentrates in my area vs flowers. If I can press a gram of rosin cheaper than I can buy a gram of rosin, I take those savings and put it mentally towards my press. It'll pay for itself in short time! So for me the flowers are $90/oz and if I am getting 20% yields on average, that a gram of rosin for about $15, but the rosin for sale is 30-40$/gr.
 
Hackerman

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MonkeyTime said:
Sorry for OT, but gotta ask. Do you notice much degradation when it gets up around 300F? I've noticed both a huge taste loss, and it gives me closer to a ABV stone than the same stuff but kept lower. Granted that is only with herb and hash, but it seems pretty consistent.

So, it seems no matter how much I read here, I understand it all and @psychonaut has spelled it out, yet I have a hard time making a simple decision on this :mental: Its the clear head tonight that made me realize that I know I want a 20T with a gauge, and I usually get there eventually once I start looking at something like this, but I feel guilty.

I put off things for a long time for the kids. I'm finally getting back to me time, @dabpress.com , look for a PM for the coupon, I'm finding a press!
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Congratulations and I think you'll love the 20 ton press. I know you'll love the plates. Are you going with the cage setup? Keep in mind the smaller sets are rated for 10 tons, not 20.

You know, DabPress also sells the press and plates built together. Depending on how much you plan to spend on a press, you might look at their package deals with the press built in. That would be the DP-80 and DP-100.

I don't notice any taste loss because I make caps so I don't get to taste it.

As for the type of buzz, if you over decarb, the THC will convert to CBN and the CBN buzz is a very drowsy buzz. Probably like an ABV buzz. Being new to vaping, I have not done edibles with ABV so I can't say for sure. But, since the ABV has been harshly decarbed by the vape, if it is decarb'd a second time for edibles, I can see how it might be over decarb'd and a lot of THC being converted to CBN.

As for terps, 300F is a little high and you're definitely going to loose some terps at that temperature. I have been experimenting with adding back terps to my rosin when I do edibles. I am a little slow in dosing and I am working my way up. So far, I definitely notice a difference with certain terp recipes. I am increasing quantities each time until I get a consistent, desired effect.

Good luck and squish squash. ;)
 
miguelovic

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invertedisdead said:
The cured stuff is super stoney there's just a lot of market hype for fresh frozen which the processors push cause it's easier to do.
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Freeze driers are making them lazy. Most of them are loading trays with runny hash.

I would like to try a freeze drier to see if the fuss about them is worth it. I don't follow the runny hash though. Seems like it would require more cycles/time and degrade the product. Removing that last bit of water is the easy part.

I saw someone make the same argument for live resin.

You can only saturate the market to a point before you outstrip demand and start driving the price down. Ease of processing is a distant second to profitability.

If the demand wasn't there, they couldn't move it and stock would acculmulate. If the demand for long flowering times and long cures was there, it would have market dominance.

But it doesn't. Look how hard Frenchy works to create an educated consumer with his workshops and yet high end fresh frozen outsells on price per gram. You can cater to high end customers that understand and pay a premium, but this is a limited market.

What we like and what they like will never be the same. The guy working in a craft brewpub or distillery isn't drinking what the majority consume, mass market or craft.

I am working on cob flower and rosin at the moment. Takes monthes to make. Hardly anyone even knows what a cob is, less are interested in fermented products.
 
miguelovic

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Yes. Tangwena has the method on IC. Starts with a sweat and then a long cure.

Supposedly changes the high, removing a lot of the stone, and can be eaten raw.

Not sure I follow the eating part, but some people use to chew down hash. Why not try hehe.
 
psychonaut

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Ahh yes that's where I remember seeing it, he has a really good writeup on it. I never had the guts to try it but maybe one day. I am not a big fan of amber trichomes so I think it may be a lil bit too drowsy for me? Have you pressed any cob flower?
 
miguelovic

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No this is the first attempt at a cob. If it works it won't be ready to press until the fall.

According to ardent cobbers there is very little down/stoned/drowsy effect, more babbly wakeful euphoria.

Makes you wonder about Cherniak's often mocked high temperature hash cure.
 
invertedisdead

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miguelovic said:
Freeze driers are making them lazy. Most of them are loading trays with runny hash.

I would like to try a freeze drier to see if the fuss about them is worth it. I don't follow the runny hash though. Seems like it would require more cycles/time and degrade the product. Removing that last bit of water is the easy part.
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The freeze dried guys all claim they preserve terpenes, but I question how far that process goes unless the hash is continually stored as those temps.

Kinda like if you were preserving bodies at cryo temps... and the nitrogen ran out.
 
miguelovic

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Right? And if water is evaporating, one could hypothesize terpenes and other light compounds are as well.

It was my understanding that the cold trap prior to the vacuum pump acculmulates these compounds.

Sadly the inherent broscience in the industry means many make claims but very few bother to back them up with quantifiable data.

I am happy drying hash at controlled 50-60F 60-65%RH, rather than ambient room temp/RH. I would like to use a fridge in the future with a recirculating desiccant drier.
 
shredder

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miguelovic said:
Yes. Tangwena has the method on IC. Starts with a sweat and then a long cure.

Supposedly changes the high, removing a lot of the stone, and can be eaten raw.

Not sure I follow the eating part, but some people use to chew down hash. Why not try hehe.
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Wow, never heard of cob curing, thanks for the info. Makes me wonder, what's next?

A long enough cure on its own will decarb buds. I had a long forgotten vacume sealed jar of jack herer that was well over a year old. It vaped fairly well, but it shined when eaten raw. A half gram bud set you back for hours. Since then ive read somewhere that it takes about six months to naturally dcarb buds. Now I wonder what the rosin from it would be like, I suspect less yields, for one, but I really don't know.
 
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IAmKrazy2

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Alright rosin experts and experienced squishes please help.

Basically looking for easiest least labor intensive way to go from high quality trim to dab ready..should i turn the trim to bubble hash before the squish? Is dry ice kief good enough as it is much easier to make? What about squishing straight trim? What do you all recommend? Thanks for any help.
 
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miguelovic

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Depends on the trim.


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Roughly 15% return, varying on temperature.

Turn your head sideways. ICmag and their bloody 2004 forum software.
 
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invertedisdead

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miguelovic said:
@invertedisdead

Don't I know it. About half the time I am working with smalls. My favourite cultivar to press is a sweet skunk hybrid we have. Even pressing tops she comes out at 12% but produces a fantastic rosin.
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Yup, 12% is what I was getting recently off some Double Tangie Banana colas. I thought the rosin was awesome. Potent stone, too!
 
MegaMan2k

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@_@ I pressed 14 grams of flower "m.o.b, mother of all berries" (placed in a jar with boveda 62% for 48 hours,) it was pretty dry tho, but had purple hues on the inside with beautiful mature heads and generally very terpy, but lacked some on the surface of the buds which was more green leaf. Also the buds was fluffy and not dense.

Going up to around 8 tons slowly at 220,

ended up with 8% yield, I just thought it was very low when thinking about the cost
This 1.1 - 1.2 grams slab cost me 114 usd to create,

havnt really been vaping herb for over 5 months, but this press made me regret not vaping that bag of herb instead :D
 
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MegaMan2k

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Well i did suspect it wasnt going to be the biggest yielder from the looks of it.

my issue is that i pretty much get all herb at the same price,
but resin content will vary from 5%-20ish% I think its more of a grower mistake (illegal country)
If the resin content is too low it's not going to be economically feasible to press it

If you see low yield from a test press as u mention would u then rather not press it and just vape it in its herbal form?
 
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If your yield isn’t that good then unfortunately the herb wasn’t that potent to begin with. It might feel better to just vape the herb but your just asking your lungs to process more material for the same potency.
 
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