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Pib

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Me after watching the news coming out the People's Republic of China and the United States of America the past 7 days:
Despite all its progress, China is struggling with high unemployment, even among well-educated young people, which is not necessarily a cause for celebration. The weak economic position of the West is also a problem for China. Japan has gone the same way, China will probably use war to cover up its problems, just as Russia is doing.
 
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florduh

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China will probably use war to cover up its problems

I was mostly referring to recent headlines where China is humiliating America by developing a groundbreaking AI model and cracking cold fusion during a week where it looks like the United States is about to restart witch trials.

China is far from perfect but based on any fair reading of the evidence I would much rather be in their position than America's.

I've also seen these "China's economy is about to collapse" stories from American/European press for my entire adult life. IMO, it's mostly cope and wish-casting. I'm also not going to imagine wars China might start while sitting in the US. Recent history is pretty clear on which nation is more warmongering.
 

Flotsam

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I was mostly referring to recent headlines where China is humiliating America by developing a groundbreaking AI model and cracking cold fusion during a week where it looks like the United States is about to restart witch trials.

China is far from perfect but based on any fair reading of the evidence I would much rather be in their position than America's.

I've also seen these "China's economy is about to collapse" stories from American/European press for my entire adult life. IMO, it's mostly cope and wish-casting. I'm also not going to imagine wars China might start while sitting in the US. Recent history is pretty clear on which nation is more warmongering.
thanks florduh, i think i would like to nominate you as the person on here i would love most to hang with and get high with
 

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Pib

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China is far from perfect but based on any fair reading of the evidence I would much rather be in their position than America's.
Basically, I wouldn't vote far, there's a lot of hate built up in America because a lot of problems have been procrastinated or neglected. The economy is not doing so well and Trump is playing hardball. The only question is how resolutely others will react to his hard power and his intimidation. Even if it is not sold that way, America benefits indirectly from wars.

China's problem lies more in the population, which is why it can be monitored almost continuously, and the problem here also lies in the lack of good jobs for the educated class. China is pumping a lot into the economy, but Europe and America can't take enough. China is also trying to take over territories to keep the defense line away from the mainland.

Russia is struggling with its position and cannot cope with the political downturn and that China is now much more influential than they are, and former vassals are much more demanding where they used to be supplicants.

Europe cannot find a common line and loses itself in itself, the interests are broadly diversified and it does not quite know what it should be, a big player on the world stage or just a junior partner of America, which problem becomes more obvious in Great Britain, which is still struggling with its loss of power on the world stage and the disintegration of the great empire, but could do Europe good, but is too proud to do so because it wants to decide alone.

Africa is getting lost in the warlords' petty wars and cannot find common ground to gain its own strength and the governments want to enrich themselves instead of putting a common Africa on its feet.

We are not necessarily in an economic crisis, but rather in a turnaround whose first traits may already lie in the First World War with the collapse of European monarchies, the exasperation of Germany due to the imposed excessive reperations that, as a part, led to the Second World War. The struggle for supremacy between the powers USA and the USSR and the imperialist world police representation of America (which is now becoming too much for them). The transition to a war of faith against America and the West, and to some extent Russia, plus the formation of a united Europe.

There may be a battle over who determines the near future, but it is also possible that the current structures will collapse into something else. I don't have a crystal ball as to where all this will lead us, but the course is being set.

Europe has partly recognized the signs and is forming something very special. Founding a confederation of states without everyone speaking the same language is something very special, the idea is great and fascinating. But Europe doesn't know what it wants to be, does it want to grow even closer together and merge or remain as it is. But it has recognized that individual states are no solution. How great it would be if the dream of a common Europe became a dream of a common world...

All empires have disappeared at some point, it may be that the empire of capitalism is crumbling and climate change is an accelerant of this.

@macbill Mein Kampf is also available again in Germany, the copyright has expired, which is why attempts are being made to edit it with commentaries and place it in a contemporary historical context.
 
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Radwin Bodnic

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Europe has partly recognized the signs and is forming something very special. Founding a confederation of states without everyone speaking the same language is something very special, the idea is great and fascinating. But Europe doesn't know what it wants to be, does it want to grow even closer together and merge or remain as it is. But it has recognized that individual states are no solution. How great it would be if the dream of a common Europe became a dream of a common world...
Europe is rotten with corrupt leaders. And they elevated the economic theory into a religion. All in all Europe is still maintaining a class order and a society of dominations.

Africa is getting lost in the warlords' petty wars and cannot find common ground to gain its own strength and the governments want to enrich themselves instead of putting a common Africa on its feet.
 

florduh

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China's problem lies more in the population, which is why it can be monitored almost continuously, and the problem here also lies in the lack of good jobs for the educated class. China is pumping a lot into the economy, but Europe and America can't take enough

I understand. But a lack of jobs commensurate with the cost of living is a problem for young people in the US as well. I’m not denying China has problems. The difference is, the Chinese government is taking massive action to combat those problems. Like developing markets outside of the US and Europe. While the American government is either ignoring its problems or actively making them worse.
 

Pib

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Europe is rotten with corrupt leaders. And they have made economic theory a religion. All in all, Europe still maintains a class order and a society of domination.
I do not see any state or union of states where this is not the case, and I think it is currently culminating in America.
The difference is, the Chinese government is taking massive action to combat those problems.
Economically, this is true, which is why China is coming through the crisis much better than Europe, for example. But Europe and America have deployed a very nasty weapon. Although they have moved jobs and production to China, they have also transferred 70-80% of their pollution to China. Europe is just seeing the effects, America wants them back with production and the denial of climate change...
China also has an almost insatiable hunger for energy, which they can satisfy cheaply from there because of sanctions against Russia, from which India also benefits.
However, environmental pollution remains and in some cases not only affects China but has a global impact. So far, I don't see a solution anywhere.
 
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florduh

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So far, I don't see a solution anywhere.

I don't know if it's a workable solution, but China is making massive investments in "Green Energy".


Their solar tech is better than America's. Same with EV's. They're making monthly breakthroughs on nuclear energy technology. My personal conspiracy theory is America is giving up on renewables and returning to a "drill baby drill" hyper-fixation on oil because we know China is so far ahead of us on "green energy" that we can't catch up.

I also saw a Center-Left political commentator in America recently say they'd rather have a world with 3 degrees of global warming than see China become the global hegemon.
 

Radwin Bodnic

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They forgot that if the permafrost is melting we're getting back a lot of viruses and bacterias from the pasts centuries and millenaries.

Black plague anyone ? Covid was a joke.
The Black Death killed half the European population in five years. Try to imagine all the people you know, you've met, you're seeing in the street, etc... half of them gone in five years.
 

florduh

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Yesterday was the 80th anniversary of the end of the Holocaust. As the Nazis were gaining power in Germany, a Far Right newspaper named Der Stürmer helped spread their propaganda.

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One of the sections of this paper documented "Jewish Crime", wherein they would publicize and sensationalize every single crime committed by a Jewish person in Germany.

Now, there was no evidence Jews committed crimes at a higher rate than non-Jews. And when a non-Jew committed a crime, that did not mean ALL non-Jewish Germans were criminals. Yet when Jews committed crimes, the Nazis would at first imply and then eventually outright state that ALL Jews were inherently violent criminals.

I'm sure glad there are NO lessons to glean from this period in history that would apply to today :tup:
 
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