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florduh

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I like that the largest bank in the history of human civilization can publicly point out that Elon Musk's entire fortune is based on fraud, and it doesn't fucking matter. Though to be fair our entire economy is based on fraud and bullshit at this point.
 

florduh

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The "economy" is pure fiction. It's not a science. It's a (chosen) theory applied like a religion (which is probably based on real facts but has become fiction centuries ago).

I completely agree with this. JP Morgan (the biggest bank) saying Elon's (the richest man) fortune is based on fraud and bullshit is sort of like the Vatican putting out an official missive stating the Pope doesn't speak for God because God isn't real.
 

florduh

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Is there gonna be an insider trading investigation resulting from the little tariff show this morning? The Dow dropped 25% before recovering. Seems like a nice little opportunity for people in the Trump circle with inside knowledge to buy stocks at a discount.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Aka, the transfer of wealth. Yesterday in the market, for every loser there was a winner.

I think the whole day was orchestrated, set up ahead of time; DJT had meetings and conversations with both Canadian PM and Mexican President before he was inaugurated.
While I have absolutely no doubt the DJT administration is completely corrupt and basically an organized crime family, I don't believe that the leaders of Canada and Mexico are in cahoots with them. To be frank, I think it's critical that we be able to lean on those leaders to fight back. So far, at least, there doesn't seem to be nearly enough pushback and defiance within our own country, from either party. If this were to continue as it has begun, our democracy will be completely lost. Somehow, the Democrats and the citizens have to fight back. The longer it takes to start acting, the more difficult it will be to stop this complete takeover of our government by unelected people empowered by Trump. The lawsuits are certainly a start, but it's going to take actual physical action. The protests need to begin. There is a lot scheduled for tomorrow, and it will be interesting to watch and to see if it has any effect, at least in motivating others.
 

florduh

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the Democrats

I have no idea how, in this late hour, you still think those losers are going to help us. Their plan is to allow Trump and Musk destroy the country so everyone will be fed up and vote for them in 2 and 4 years without having to offer voters literally anything. After their policy of offering nothing and saying, "at least we're not Trump!" gave us two Trump terms.

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Agree with you on protests and direct action though!
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I have no idea how, in this late hour, you still think those losers are going to help us.
Because I haven't yet given up on America and I know that there is no fucking way we get through any of this without them. And they know it. If they don't work towards trying to stop the Trump agenda, then America is over and we might as well all fucking give up. And I for one am not doing that.
You do you.
 

florduh

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Because I haven't yet given up on America and I know that there is no fucking way we get through any of this without them. And they know it. If they don't work towards trying to stop the Trump agenda, then America is over and we might as well all fucking give up. And I for one am not doing that.
You do you.

First of all, I was literally at an anti-ICE demonstration yesterday. But if you want to do something productive vis-à-vis the Democrats, support primarying every Democrat in Congress and ensuring no one involved with the Biden or Obama administrations ever works in politics again. Hold the people who gave us two Trump terms responsible.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I don't know what magic you think the Democrats have. You should know enough about the operation of government to know that the party out of power is extremely limited in what they are able to do. You want to create a circular firing squad, which will get us nowhere and will radically increase the problems we are facing. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there is a lot being done by Democrats. It is certainly not nothing. Here are some examples.:
 

florduh

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You want to create a circular firing squad

No, not circular. Just a regular one. Directed at the people whose incompetence gave us two Trump terms.

The Democrats gave us a second Trump term because they love billionaires (and mass murdering Palestinians) more than they hate Trump. This is the guy who won the DNC Chair election on Saturday:

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I glanced at the substack you posted. Some of that is fine. But there are Democrats still voting "Yes" on cabinet picks. A huge number of Democrats voted for Trump's racist, fascist deportation bill. And most importantly: they have clearly not learned any lessons from the past 15 years of Democratic Party failure that led us here.

@cybrguy I'm gonna make a suggestion to add to your media diet:


It's a show hosted by a mensch named Sam Seder. He likes the Dems more than I do, but he isn't delusional about them. And unlike every talking head on CNN and MSDNC, history has proven him more right than wrong over the past 25 years.

Some Democrats are better than others though.

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Foreigner Billionaire scumbag from Apartheid South Africa, one of the most evil nations to ever exist, doesn't know about the US Constitution.
 
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coolbreeze

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I wonder how someone with citizenship in a country can possibly be a foreigner in the same country.
I think a naturalized citizen could be 'foreign' if they exhibit a very strong mis-match between their values and those of the country in question. For example, some foreign people come to the US with fairly similar hopes and values, to raise their families in peace and security, to work hard and enjoy the benefits and responsibilities the rest of us expect. Otoh, some people come from background very different or at least very much at odds with our professed values and bring the toxins of those systems to our shores. Sometimes they even find common purpose with people considered our adversaries, and bring those toxins as well. And sometimes they have some actual power they can bring to influence toxic changes. That's what I would consider a "foreign"' naturalized citizen. Unfortunately in our current state, the former are under the gun while the latter revel in power.
 

florduh

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Yeah I was being a bit facetious about Musk. He is a citizen, not a foreigner. Doing "that one friend who's too woke" language policing about a guy who's been trying to incite pogroms against immigrants on multiple continents is a very funny bit though.

I should point out Musk was an "Illegal" for years. He overstayed a student visa, making him undocumented. Overstaying visas is how many (most?) immigrants become undocumented.

I also find it hard to believe Musk passed a citizenship test since he's never heard of the Fifth Amendment.
 
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