Should I post the 25MM ZXXL? 🫡 what size are you thinking of?
I was thinking 16MM with a deeper bowl but most seem to be thinking 20MM.
What I’m trying to achieve is the hardest hitting and lowest maintenance/easiest to use device. With a new ultra high surface area low drag convection heating system to supplement a new bowl design. It’s inspired by legacy favorites like the Supreme and Sublimator, but with my personal spin on it to…
A. Alter the convection/conduction balance
B. Improve the airflow
C. Improve the flavor/purity
D. Improve the ease of use.
All that said, I’m not totally sure there’s a market for this concept device. When I write all that down it sounds great but I have to wonder if even that is “enough.”
I also think since it’s not a ball vape that might actually detract from interest, I’m curious to introduce new technologies, but I’m not sure the market is really looking for different tech now that ball vapes are so popular and in the spotlight. Look at the thermal twist thread…
Appreciate your input friend!
It sounds like people are saying they like the ZX so much as it is, that a new vape would be better off in 20MM to avoid overlap?
I was going to do a wireless ZX a year or two ago, I talked to DC about making me a custom 16MM coil and everything.
For what it’s worth stainless steel is not really a great material to make a bowl from. It’s extremely dense/heavy and is going to not only rob tons of heat from the system, but also retain it by staying hot for a long time too.
Adjustable screen height is something I’ve been thinking about new ways to implement, but it’s a feature that would be more beneficial in a full convection vape - as a stainless bowl is almost always going to result in conduction dominance, so getting the load closer to the heater isn’t as impactful since the sidewalls of the bowl are going to do most of the vaporizing.
To observe the conduction properties of a stainless steel bowl , boil water, then pour in a stainless kitchen bowl. It will almost instantly become too hot to hold. That’s only ~100C Now imagine a vaporizer heater mating to the bowl at 200-250C.
The more I think about it, if I want to make a conduction based device perhaps I should unplug and get away from all the wires and wired heating systems. Even the “wireless” ball vapes still need to be plugged into a wall for heating. It reminds me of the Volcano - you can carry a hit into the other room, but for anyone looking for true cordless freedom it’s not a “real” solution.
Last week I was working on a design for the torch/induction market, but thermodyamically optimized for faster extraction AND faster heat up time. I believe that’s the magic combo missing. There’s so much focus parroting the same heat retention concepts, but the problem with heat retention is it’s only achieved by heating something up for more time. IMO that tends to make for a clunky experience, especially for people coming over from combustion seeking instant results and ease of use.
If I did that the best solution might be to make the ZXXL coil compatible with 25mm coils and just drop the 20MM ZXL since most wireless systems are based on 25MM coils. The main issue I’ve mentioned previously with this is the coil fitment on a wireless is different from what you want on a plug-in.
The thing is, from experience testing basically everything you could possibly do to a ball vape - increasing the diameter of the housing isn’t really a great idea, as you lose the concentration of heat from the coil and then have to rely on the beads to sustain temperatures since the coils effectiveness is reduced when spread out over a larger mass and circumference of beads. That said, there is a solution to this I could probably propose pretty easily and add insulation through other means, similar to what I did with the ZXL.
You just have to be prepared to make some sacrifices when trying to do that jack of all trades approach - for example the ZX can change between temperatures very fast for a ball vape, something designed with high heat retention for wireless isn’t going to be able to do that.
