Phase3 Vaporizers

[Farid]

The shortened joint is brilliant. I can just imagine how good this would feel to use. Enough length to get a good seal, but no worry about getting the joint stuck.

I don't think any other desktop has the minimalistic, utilitarian design this has.

Best of luck, I think this is a real winner!

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

The shortened joint is brilliant. I can just imagine how good this would feel to use. Enough length to get a good seal, but no worry about getting the joint stuck.

I don't think any other desktop has the minimalistic, utilitarian design this has.

Best of luck, I think this is a real winner!

I think the Vapocane was the first vape that incorporated this idea,also the Elev8r. The best thing about it is you can make a bowl out of any female 19/26 just put the right size screen and it fixes really easy to the grinding and hotspots are far less than using a traditional adapter bowl,at lest with my DIYs.

 

[Shadooz]

The shortened joint is brilliant. I can just imagine how good this would feel to use. Enough length to get a good seal, but no worry about getting the joint stuck.

It was good with a sturdy fix between coil and housing.
Now it will just let bad cats break it fast...

Discussed comparatively with the herborizer. Which get too much friction issue.
But it is what gives its efficiency too.
airtight, absolut no leak..

The efficiency will be here, no worry
But safeness of use is another story...

Sry to always break the good vibes... its kind of my jobs to avoid bubble extase (wti..).
"Qui aime bien, châtie bien" rien a voir avec les chats cependant... eux n'aiment rien, a part leur herbe.
I just want "vaporizing" to get/be the best, cause it still has everything to prove, here, in Europe/France.

 

[Farid]

There are plenty of other desktops for those for which safety is their #1 concern. Enails lack safety in their nature. Where this really shines is the light weight, small profile. Add a shroud to it and it loses those benefits, and becomes something else entirely - bulkier, heavier, and less satisfying to hold and use.

And I'm not just saying this to be part of the good vibes, hell I don't even really partake anymore. I just have watched this thread, and really like where this has ended up - with a smaller and lighter footprint. I think many of us thought that Inverted was being overly picky about dialing in his design, and thought his earlier designs were "good enough". But I think his incremental changes have really paid off, and show a real expertise that you can only get from being a connoisseur.

 

[Shadooz]

Enails lack safety in their nature.

I was talking safety of not breaking it. Or see hot rubies all over the floor...

Which can't happen with flowerpot, supreme, mpl...

Only the dc elev8r have the same issues...
I Hoped these one would have fixed it...
Maybe the next one...

 

[arb]

A standard dhgate 19 to 14 with a Ssv screen is way better than the elev8r bowl for the buck.

There are plenty of other desktops for those for which safety is their #1 concern. Enails lack safety in their nature. Where this really shines is the light weight, small profile. Add a shroud to it and it loses those benefits, and becomes something else entirely - bulkier, heavier, and less satisfying to hold and use.

And I'm not just saying this to be part of the good vibes, hell I don't even really partake anymore. I just have watched this thread, and really like where this has ended up - with a smaller and lighter footprint. I think many of us thought that Inverted was being overly picky about dialing in his design, and thought his earlier designs were "good enough". But I think his incremental changes have really paid off, and show a real expertise that you can only get from being a connoisseur.

Very succinct analysis..........worth the wait I think.

 

[Shadooz]

Where this really shines is the light weight, small profile. Add a shroud to it and it loses those benefits, and becomes something else entirely - bulkier, heavier, and less satisfying to hold and use.

Shroud wont add a lot of weight..
If u compare to usual cooking pan, the weight would still be low..

The supreme have large footprint, but here, a small shroud would not change the easy and good feeling of use it could have (with a sturdy coil fixation..)

 

[Vaporware]

It had a super wonky joint goddamnit!






Had to replace it with a home made Shit☢Caine®™ to get the same degree of shitstained.............all products and advertisements property of SHITTECH LLC.

(Not the exact Lahey I was looking for, but I think it fits anyway. )

 

[invertedisdead]

I think many of us thought that Inverted was being overly picky about dialing in his design, and thought his earlier designs were "good enough". But I think his incremental changes have really paid off, and show a real expertise that you can only get from being a connoisseur.

That means a lot! Thank you for that most kind comment! Speaking of incremental changes, here’s a look back at some of the various phases of change.

V1 (actually don’t have any pictures of this one anymore sadly due to losing some data, but this is the one that was truly full glass path; completely hand made. This one had the indented “turbine screen”

v1.2 (combination coil arm + air inlet)

1.4 - (air inlets increased from one to four)
1.5 - ( CNC inlets, tapered design to eliminate joint sticking)
1.7 - (Current - 7 hole CNC air inlet; trimmed joint, coil arm removed)

I was talking safety of not breaking it. Or see hot rubies all over the floor...

Which can't happen with flowerpot, supreme, mpl...

Only the dc elev8r have the same issues...
I Hoped these one would have fixed it...
Maybe the next one...

I can respect where you're coming from. At the end of the day, glass vapes will just never win the durability award.

This is ultimately the reason why I abandoned doing anything more complicated with this concept. So that in the event one does happen to break it, it's not $300+ to replace it.

I admit this wasn't much of a consideration when the project had first started, but now that ball vapes are quite the commodity, I'm sure I made the right decision. I honestly think I did about all I could with this ball concept performance wise. I did consider coil covers and shrouds but they don’t really change the potential inherent fragility of glass, and even with the coil cover it’s still too hot to grab. I actually feel like that stuff can give a false sense of security, whereas this is a little more obvious and reaffirming that it’s not a toy and hot to touch. And realistically there are a bunch of other ball vapes that address this in some way or the other now. It’s always a give or take, yin or yang. The beauty of the external coil is knowing that it’s out of the vapor path.

And yeah, depending on how this does, maybe we will see a follow up desktop vaporizer to this one. It’s something I have considered regarding new projects, as I’m calling this one complete!

(Not the exact Lahey I was looking for, but I think it fits anyway. )

I think @arb is in the eye of the Shitocaine....

@MikeRotchHertz @seki

 

[arb]

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[Vaporware]

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[Shadooz]

1.4 - (air inlets increased from one to four)
1.5 - ( CNC inlets, tapered design to eliminate joint sticking)
1.7 - (Current - 7 hole CNC air inlet; trimmed joint, coil arm removed)

The 1.5 feel safer, and except the longer joint no diff with the 1.7..
U say it's easier for the glass flatness, helping for coil conduction, but the 1.5 feel already well flat.

I would buy the 1.5, not the 1.7..

I would at least do a T shape, (like a nails,) to avoid gliding.

I did consider coil covers and shrouds but they don’t really change the potential inherent fragility of glass, and even with the coil cover it’s still too hot to grab. I actually feel like that stuff can give a false sense of security, whereas this is a little more obvious and reaffirming that it’s not a toy and hot to touch. And realistically there are a bunch of other ball vapes that address this in some way or the other now. It’s always a give or take, yin or yang. The beauty of the external coil is knowing that it’s out of the vapor path.

With Glass, it is hard to craft a cover part.
But cover is for heat retention and concentration. Never was for being able to grab it.

Wait to see how qaroma shop did it. I guess he takes lesser purity glass (boro or less) which will reduce the conduction, with risk of bad rubies heat up time and recovery...
as with ceramiq if he did it too thick for the core part (not the cover)

And yeah, depending on how this does, maybe we will see a follow up desktop vaporizer to this one. It’s something I have considered regarding new projects, as I’m calling this one complete!

I already give u the future... listen to it (or me ). U've got a Da Vinci, use me

 

[invertedisdead]

I’ve not noticed any issues with heat retention or needing a recovery, even back to back with 3 people. But it will be good to hear any feedback on that from the first run.

I don’t really see a cover adding much heat retention though, so I opted out of that route. I’m personally not a big proponent of the whole “thermal mass” model anyways for a desktop. But I know that’s contrarian to most of the community.

The 1.5 feel safer, and except the longer joint no diff with the 1.7..

v1.7 has a +40% increase in airflow from 1.5 which makes for a significantly more comfortable vaping experience. It also costs half the price.

Also the cut down joint mates up better to female bowls than the one on V1.5 tapered by hand. 1.5 still made a seal but it took too much effort and focus, this one is effortless. I definitely wanted those 1.5’s to work out, and I used them for many, many months day in and day out, and still think some of those elements or features were validbut as a cost / benefit analysis it was harder to justify.

 

[Shadooz]

I’ve not noticed any issues with heat retention or needing a recovery

I was not saying there is issues. just an old mustang will use way more fuel to HP, than the newer model.. which can heat up in less than couple of seconds.

I don’t really see a cover adding much heat retention though

Because u haven't tried a paper-ceramic cover (yet?)

personally not a big proponent of the whole “thermal mass”

I'm a proponent of an efficient one, aka the rubies here.
Not with a bigger coil ...

I would do 20mm at least, but with half the mass of your titanium coil.. or even with just titanium wire...

v1.7 has a +40% increase in airflow from 1.5 which makes for a significantly more comfortable vaping experience.

Because of the holes pattern, not the handle... u can make the same holes in the 1.5

It also costs half the price.

This is the only reason

 

[arb]

The latest style built on 20mm with 5mm longer joint would be a monster but the same thing on 16mm would be also is my guess.
Thumble would be its name the thumb sized thimble vape that thumps.

 

[invertedisdead]

I would do 20mm at least, but with half the mass of your titanium coil.. or even with just titanium wire...

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Thus, 20MM comes with its own share of pros and cons of course. A bigger housing has more surface area BUT the efficiency of the heater is reduced as the diameter increases...

But if you truly value efficiency this is the one with less resistance. I don’t think there is any major observable difference regarding heat retention or perceived safety of any of these housings.

This is the only reason

Well this is just the reality of the market that glass has a low perceived value to most of this community. People want cool glass, they just don’t want to pay hundreds of dollars for it.

I wanted to make some crazy glass stuff too, but if you look at the communities response to the more expensive glass vapes, they’re plateaus.

 

[Shadooz]

bigger housing has more surface area BUT the efficiency of the heater is reduced as the diameter increases...

NO....

The mass increasing (of rubies) will start to be marginaly insignificant at some point though.
With adding slower heat up time.
The Only con...

But then, when excited as you wish, the increased "thermal inertia" will make the difference... even more true with rubies, a bit less with boro, as they already have more inertia, by their lower conduction.
And you can add holes, or stretch them as u like the well-gaped flow.

But Maybe cheaper for you to fit 16mm into 19mm.
I make difference between effectivity and fancyness when i put money on glass.
We are talking heater part here...
Even Twice the price with all the aforementioned (in post above) issues fix, would have been a better price to interest point.

 

[invertedisdead]

The mass increasing (of rubies) will start to be marginaly insignificant at some point though.
With adding slower heat up time.
The Only con...

I learned from my 14mm Sandcastle Jr. that I could downsize

The SCVW Jr probably has half the “mass” as this desktop and still milks a 15” beaker with ease

But Maybe cheaper for you to fit 16mm into 19mm.
I make difference between effectivity and fancyness when i put money on glass.
We are talking heater part here...
Even Twice the price with all the aforementioned (in post above) issues fix, would have been a better price to interest point.

Yeah but I realized that for twice the price I could eventually build an even better, totally different vape instead.

For this one I decided to ultimately make something more affordable and simple to build hoping it would keep the parts consistent. The original 1.7 rendering with the rounded bottom would have been more like 3x this new parts cost. And don’t get me wrong, it still would have been really cool, but I decided I might as well just go in a different direction at that rate. So as I said the other day, if this one does alright, then perhaps its “successor” will see development which addresses those and lots more.

 

[Shadooz]

has half the “mass” as this desktop and still milks a 15” beaker with ease

The temp will be different, u can milk with light coil boxmod too..
But the flow will just not be the same...
Blast, blast, blast, i want to get rid off...
And Without having to pull out a massive Supreme stainless steel.

Yeah but I realized that for twice the price I could eventually build an even better, totally different vape instead.

Have you try to wrap, around your housing, a metal wire (kanthal, titanium..) and with a boxmod, or a pid.
Wire coil will give enough grip if tightened well.
Or by just making a tiny notch, and nothing move.
But it will need a 3 batteries box , or a pid.

The original 1.7 rendering with the rounded bottom would have been more like 3x this new parts cost.

Yes, glass, handmade, is expensive.
When an AlN print of your design cost around 10/20$ only...

 

[invertedisdead]

The temp will be different, u can milk with light coil boxmod too..
But the flow will just not be the same...
Blast, blast, blast, i want to get rid off...
And Without having to pull out a massive Supreme stainless steel.

I just had a SS coil portable vape here for demo that milks well at low temps; I left a few comments in the iHeat thread. Possibly the best portable experience I’ve tried in recent times.

Supreme is actually aluminum; ironically, Ive recently experimented with aluminum quite considerably here to test my biases against that material.

Have you try to wrap, around your housing, a metal wire (kanthal, titanium..) and with a boxmod, or a pid.
Wire coil will give enough grip if tightened well.
Or by just making a tiny notch, and nothing move.
But it will need a 3 batteries box , or a pid.

Nah I haven’t tried that, if I was going battery powered I would do something entirely different without all the insulation. If a certain dab vape is ever completed I have an idea for a convection conversion kit for it though.

If I was going for maximum safety I’d probably build a log. I have one that is about half sketched out , but I know it would take some considerable development to get it where I want it to. That said I’ve not seen anything like it. But that’s just back burner ideas.

Yes, glass, handmade, is expensive. When an AlN print of your design cost around 10/20$ only...

If you can find me that for $20 I’ll order $500 worth of them right now. I’ve requested quotes for various and not seen anything even remotely near that.

 

[Shadooz]

Supreme is actually aluminum; ironically, Ive recently experimented with aluminum quite considerably here to test my biases against that material.

Was looking after the v3.5, and with the 80s torch heat up, i always thought it was SS, as aluminium is a good conductor...

But that's maybe why it needed that ammount of mass.

If you can find me that for $20

Will have to make it.
But i wait feedback of yours and cerama shop.
To see if it's worth my impliance.

 

[invertedisdead]

Will have to make it.
But i wait feedback of yours and cerama shop.
To see if it's worth my impliance.

Well don’t take too long cause I might abandon this to pursue my dream of building a combination weed jar / weed vape. Here’s what I got so far.

- all glass path
- Hybrid conduction / convection
- works with flower and oil

Im just trying to get the induction heater going, IDK, I plugged the USB cable in, but it’s only giving me wispy hits so far.

 

[arb]

Well don’t take too long cause I might abandon this to pursue my dream of building a combination weed jar / weed vape. Here’s what I got so far.

- all glass path
- Hybrid conduction / convection
- works with flower and oil

Im just trying to get the induction heater going, IDK, I plugged the USB cable in, but it’s only giving me wispy hits so far.

Tea candle...........you're welcome.

 

[MikeRotchHertz]

Well don’t take too long cause I might abandon this to pursue my dream of building a combination weed jar / weed vape. Here’s what I got so far.

- all glass path
- Hybrid conduction / convection
- works with flower and oil

Im just trying to get the induction heater going, IDK, I plugged the USB cable in, but it’s only giving me wispy hits so far.

Simple, just add the inv1 to this piece and boom

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Also, seriously don't wait too long on ideas you have @Shadooz ...people are taking all kind of ideas off this forum and profiting.

 

[Shadooz]

Well don’t take too long cause I might abandon this to pursue my dream of building a combination weed jar / weed vape. Here’s what I got so far.

- all glass path
- Hybrid conduction / convection
- works with flower and oil

Im just trying to get the induction heater going, IDK, I plugged the USB cable in, but it’s only giving me wispy hits so far.

With a nugs like that it mut be terpy, then, pop-corny...
U move from fast extraction to long sipper.
How flexible u are, making all that big split.
Stay "aware"

Also, seriously don't wait too long on ideas you have @Shadooz ...people are taking all kind of ideas off this forum and profiting.

We're no more 15 years back.
It needs now more time and money, for small incremental improvement.
Not a one man job anymore...

It's because i'm still manualy driving my herbo, that i'm attracted by a PID.

For all the "lung pulling" device, it's now only about more fast, or more even extraction of bigger load, with only neutral coumpound (no metal, full glass or ceramic).

But on the self-milking side, there still a void, only an old volcano barely try to fullfill, ( or its clone (EQ)).