Discontinued Loto Labs Lux (formerly Evoke)
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Don't quote me on this as it has been a little while since I've talked to Loto.
They didn't actually have a prototype of the Evoke, they only had the contraption (sourced from a Youtuber) in their videos and a wood block that was shaped to how they want it to look and feel.
I think its a fantastic concept overall, but should have been prototyped before trying to crowd-fund an idea with next to zero experience in this field. That's why I chose to not be involved with the companies fundraising.
Cheers,
Tim
PS. Ill probably get grief for this post, but my loyalty is with FC and I don't want to steer anyone wrong.
llamaman001
Well-Known Member
You won't get any grief from me Tim, only respect for being honest. Thanks for the info
grokit
well-worn member
I'm not sold on the need for a smartphone app related to my portable vaporizer, maybe for an uber-sophisticated home unit but I find that yes, all things considered I am an analog guy.
Now please excuse me while I go torch my ufo and spin some vinyl
Starless
And bible black
Just saw a banner ad for the Evoke when I was linked to Grasscity. So the backers funds are going to advertising to get more funds for a vaporizer that still doesn't exist? Who needs a prototype, anyway? 
When these guys posted to reddit's r/vaporents, they were downvoted into oblivion (twice, I think!). I thought it was a bit of a dick move, but now I'm starting to agree. I think we do need to be more critical of these crowdfund vapes. Crowdfunding is the entrepreneur's wet dream, so why does FC feel the need to constantly jerk them off?
When these guys posted to reddit's r/vaporents, they were downvoted into oblivion (twice, I think!). I thought it was a bit of a dick move, but now I'm starting to agree. I think we do need to be more critical of these crowdfund vapes. Crowdfunding is the entrepreneur's wet dream, so why does FC feel the need to constantly jerk them off?
darkrom
Great Scott!
Crowdfunding is the entrepreneur's wet dream, so why does FC feel the need to constantly jerk them off?
Because people like to feel like its "a vape by the people for the people". This is not how I feel personally, but its my best guess. They feel like they are a "part" of something when really they are just investors without the possibility of a return.
rizzo
Well-Known Member
I jumped on the grasshopper kickstarter and will wait as long as it takes patiently ,however i am not interested in the evoke. It seems like a lazy premature fundraiser . They dont have a proven working physical model to prove viability . How can you ask for money if you dont even invest your own money to show viable product .especially on there second go around. " Sameoldtim "hit it on the head . If you ever watch dragons den where people solicit for investors for their invention they usally have at least a working unit. Granted its not a lot of money to take a flyer and im glad people are developing vapes.Sooner or later someone is going to hit one of these designs out of the park and we will all be the better for it. Sorry for grammar mistakes I never spent much time listening to MR Hand in class
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Personally, I liked the wood guy. Its my understanding if they don't meet their goal the $$$ comes back. I have paid a lot more at hundreds of charity events over the years for raffle tickets that never produce anything. I have always wanted an IH oil vape so I hope these guys can pull it off and I want to help. If I lose my $79 I will consider it a charitable donation to IH research . . . 
Starless
And bible black
I'd rather donate to UNICEF than SGTMFWHF (Some Guy Trying to Make a Fancy Weed Heater Foundation) 
But in all seriousness, I'm a little lost on induction heating. So it's pretty much heating up a conductor (like a metal wick) via an electromagnetic charge. Isn't that essentially like a coil in an e-cig except the energy's just getting transferred to the coil differently? Does it require less power? What's the benefit?
But in all seriousness, I'm a little lost on induction heating. So it's pretty much heating up a conductor (like a metal wick) via an electromagnetic charge. Isn't that essentially like a coil in an e-cig except the energy's just getting transferred to the coil differently? Does it require less power? What's the benefit?
Egzoset
Banned
Salutations Starless,
Hummm...
Lets see:
Well, it does get hot...
Hummm...
Lets see:
Well, it does get hot...
grokit
well-worn member
With inductive stovetops, the benefit seems to be that the stovetop surface will transfer heat to the cookpot, while the surface itself remains cool to the touch. So the fire hazard and risk of burns is minimized.
How this benefit transfers to vaporizing on the go is anybody's guess, but for roughly the price of 1/4 oz. of decent bud you can (hopefully) be among the first to find out.
Starless
And bible black
Salutations Starless,
Hummm...
Lets see:
Well, it does get hot...
Worst episode of Mr. Wizard's World ever!
I really just don't understand. Over $45,000 in funds so far to make a product and no one can come up with a good reason for it? I guess the early bird price is good. Crazy world we live in.
EDIT: Hope I'm not sounding like a troll. Not my intention. Just honestly curious.
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Egzoset
Banned
Salutations GroKit,
Salutations T-dub,
Salutations Starless,
Unfortunately the use of a 3rd-party IH driver would have defeated portability in this present Evoke concept, not that i would mind myself as it would actually seem a better alternative to me to depend on a 100 $ item which even my local Walmart store can be expected to keep in their inventory! Additionally, the NoFlame style of IH dental wax tool was next on top of my own preferance list but it was rejected for the same reason, because the Evoke team requires a custom-built solution to implement "AI" features anyway...
Personally i'd be satisfied if the Evoke were just a 2-parts project, perhaps with its base operating on batteries if it must. As a matter of fact i already envision myself lifting the handle once sufficient energy have been stored and then put it back when done!!
Yet that would be calling for disaster should it be allowed to turn red inside!...
The Curie effect can achieve exactly that in the sturdiest and most reliable way i can imagine. M'well, at least i can tell this is what a cookware manufacturer chose to patent, for their ControlInduc Stainless Steel Fry Pans.
Too bad it's 220+ $ CAD for a single pan, though i'm sure Metcal "SmartHeat" soldering-iron tips would happen to be much more affordable, even for our favourite application...
Welcome to a growing club!
Salutations T-dub,
Salutations Starless,
Unfortunately the use of a 3rd-party IH driver would have defeated portability in this present Evoke concept, not that i would mind myself as it would actually seem a better alternative to me to depend on a 100 $ item which even my local Walmart store can be expected to keep in their inventory! Additionally, the NoFlame style of IH dental wax tool was next on top of my own preferance list but it was rejected for the same reason, because the Evoke team requires a custom-built solution to implement "AI" features anyway...
Personally i'd be satisfied if the Evoke were just a 2-parts project, perhaps with its base operating on batteries if it must. As a matter of fact i already envision myself lifting the handle once sufficient energy have been stored and then put it back when done!!
Yet that would be calling for disaster should it be allowed to turn red inside!...
The Curie effect can achieve exactly that in the sturdiest and most reliable way i can imagine. M'well, at least i can tell this is what a cookware manufacturer chose to patent, for their ControlInduc Stainless Steel Fry Pans.
Too bad it's 220+ $ CAD for a single pan, though i'm sure Metcal "SmartHeat" soldering-iron tips would happen to be much more affordable, even for our favourite application...
Welcome to a growing club!
caliwisp
Cali Dreamin'
Today's update email from Loto people:
Here’s an update for you from the ‘Evoke - The first Smart Vaporizer powered by Induction’ team:
1 new Announcement:
Thanks to everyone's support we're nearly at our goal!
One tremendous way you can help us is by simply sharing this campaign with your friends. You can click the Facebook Share link in our Indiegogo page or Tweet our our campaign link. If you're viewing this by email, you can simply copy this URL (http://igg.me/at/evoke) and paste it into your Facebook/Twitter feed.
Tell your friends because we're targeting the Evoke to cost $249 retail price, but you can still get it from this fundraising campaign for only $99 (E-Liquid and Loose Leaf models) and there are still early bird $79 Oils/Wax models left.
Latest FAQ Additions
Q. If you get the funding you need do yall have an estimated ship date set yet?
A. We estimate shipping in 6-7 months after the campaign ends.
Q. On the loose leaf vape will it need to be packed into that mesh like you did on the video every time? Or is it going to be a lot easier to work with? Like drop it into something and its good to go?
A. The video for demonstrating loose leaf shows us wrapping the mesh around the plant material. However, on our final design we will have a capsule/bullet system. This will allow you to easily fill your own bullets and take them on them on the go.
Visit the ‘Evoke - The first Smart Vaporizer powered by Induction’ campaign.
Comment on or view this announcement here.
Respond directly to the campaign owner here.
Help spread the word about the campaign!
Here’s an update for you from the ‘Evoke - The first Smart Vaporizer powered by Induction’ team:
1 new Announcement:
Thanks to everyone's support we're nearly at our goal!
One tremendous way you can help us is by simply sharing this campaign with your friends. You can click the Facebook Share link in our Indiegogo page or Tweet our our campaign link. If you're viewing this by email, you can simply copy this URL (http://igg.me/at/evoke) and paste it into your Facebook/Twitter feed.
Tell your friends because we're targeting the Evoke to cost $249 retail price, but you can still get it from this fundraising campaign for only $99 (E-Liquid and Loose Leaf models) and there are still early bird $79 Oils/Wax models left.
Latest FAQ Additions
Q. If you get the funding you need do yall have an estimated ship date set yet?
A. We estimate shipping in 6-7 months after the campaign ends.
Q. On the loose leaf vape will it need to be packed into that mesh like you did on the video every time? Or is it going to be a lot easier to work with? Like drop it into something and its good to go?
A. The video for demonstrating loose leaf shows us wrapping the mesh around the plant material. However, on our final design we will have a capsule/bullet system. This will allow you to easily fill your own bullets and take them on them on the go.
Visit the ‘Evoke - The first Smart Vaporizer powered by Induction’ campaign.
Comment on or view this announcement here.
Respond directly to the campaign owner here.
Help spread the word about the campaign!
I didn't realize this is a"flexible funding" campaign. It means the money all goes to the business even if it does not meet its goal.Today's update email from Loto people:
Here’s an update for you from the ‘Evoke - The first Smart Vaporizer powered by Induction’ team:
1 new Announcement:
Thanks to everyone's support we're nearly at our goal!
One tremendous way you can help us is by simply sharing this campaign with your friends. You can click the Facebook Share link in our Indiegogo page or Tweet our our campaign link. If you're viewing this by email, you can simply copy this URL (http://igg.me/at/evoke) and paste it into your Facebook/Twitter feed.
Tell your friends because we're targeting the Evoke to cost $249 retail price, but you can still get it from this fundraising campaign for only $99 (E-Liquid and Loose Leaf models) and there are still early bird $79 Oils/Wax models left.
Latest FAQ Additions
Q. If you get the funding you need do yall have an estimated ship date set yet?
A. We estimate shipping in 6-7 months after the campaign ends.
Q. On the loose leaf vape will it need to be packed into that mesh like you did on the video every time? Or is it going to be a lot easier to work with? Like drop it into something and its good to go?
A. The video for demonstrating loose leaf shows us wrapping the mesh around the plant material. However, on our final design we will have a capsule/bullet system. This will allow you to easily fill your own bullets and take them on them on the go.
Visit the ‘Evoke - The first Smart Vaporizer powered by Induction’ campaign.
Comment on or view this announcement here.
Respond directly to the campaign owner here.
Help spread the word about the campaign!
T
sasNW
Well-Known Member
Same here until that last post... That's a large chunk of change without even a working prototype or guarantee of any kind. That really just took me by surprise
abo27495
Well-Known Member
I can't believe how many people are throwing their money into this thing. As a general rule, if the project creator isn't willing to invest in their idea, stay away. They shouldn't be asking for our money to build a prototype.
As of now, this is an experiment--a science project--nothing more. It screams of a scam to me.
Indiegogo is notoriously lax on background checks and a large portion of their funded projects go unfulfilled.
Please note that this is not a product,it's an idea. Know, before you throw your money into it, that there is a very large chance that you will never receive a reward. Know that the timeframe of 7 months till delivery seems absurd. Know that after a different, failed campaign, the price was significantly reduced and the product was changed, but there was seemingly 0 actual product development.
There is nothing tangible here. I can't express how much more of a risk this is than even the grasshopper. I wish the company luck and hope they fulfill every pre-order, but the entire campaign is just amateurish.
As of now, this is an experiment--a science project--nothing more. It screams of a scam to me.
Indiegogo is notoriously lax on background checks and a large portion of their funded projects go unfulfilled.
Please note that this is not a product,it's an idea. Know, before you throw your money into it, that there is a very large chance that you will never receive a reward. Know that the timeframe of 7 months till delivery seems absurd. Know that after a different, failed campaign, the price was significantly reduced and the product was changed, but there was seemingly 0 actual product development.
There is nothing tangible here. I can't express how much more of a risk this is than even the grasshopper. I wish the company luck and hope they fulfill every pre-order, but the entire campaign is just amateurish.
grokit
well-worn member
"Q. What happens if the Evoke's Indiegogo campaign doesn't reach its goal?
A. If our Evoke campaign is not successful we will refund everyone back their money.
We are working hard to make sure it will be successful but one of the biggest contributions you can make is spreading the word. If you tell your friends and spread this campaign on Facebook, social sites, and forums, you will be instrumental in helping us reach our goal!"
I am a bit disappointed that there will be bullets/elb's, as I'm not a big fan of them.
A. If our Evoke campaign is not successful we will refund everyone back their money.
We are working hard to make sure it will be successful but one of the biggest contributions you can make is spreading the word. If you tell your friends and spread this campaign on Facebook, social sites, and forums, you will be instrumental in helping us reach our goal!"
I am a bit disappointed that there will be bullets/elb's, as I'm not a big fan of them.
abo27495
Well-Known Member
They had the option for fixed funding, which would have given the money back to supporters automatically. They didn't choose that option...
sasNW
Well-Known Member
The fact that the indiegogo page says "flexible funding" yet in their Q&A section says that it's not seems fishy to me... If indiegogo can't take action to get your money back, I can't see how anyone could get it back. Short of the leader of the project to go through indiegogo and send it back to each person themselves?
If the grasshopper is going to take a year to move from functioning prototype to production, I can't see going from an idea to production in 7 months.
I truly wish everyone the best on this project both company and investors
If the grasshopper is going to take a year to move from functioning prototype to production, I can't see going from an idea to production in 7 months.
I truly wish everyone the best on this project both company and investors
sasNW
Well-Known Member
What if they meet their funding goal, but never deliver a product?
This seems to be the loophole in their statement.
If I understand correctly that is the only scenario in which indiegogo would be able to get the money back(supposedly). Given that will be a minimum of 7 months after the project (estimated shipping time) but more likely well over a year before people would realize nothing is coming. At that point who knows where the money is.
I am NOT saying that's what's happening buts it's certainly possible. Again best of luck to all involved, I would love to see this vape come to life. But on the other hand I have never seen Someone potentially receive $60k with no strings attached. I could be completely wrong but that is my understanding of the flexible funding
I will shut up and try to keep this thread positive
I hope it works out great for everyone
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abo27495
Well-Known Member
Why must we keep this thread positive? As I see it, this is a community and we should watch out for each other. If a longstanding member said they had a great vape idea, but needed money for testing--that's one thing. But that isn't the case here.
I find it offensive that instead of spending their own money, they come to this site in hopes that we will be naive enough to hand them over money for nothing. Again, they refuse to spend their money-- why spend yours?
They may have something, but it's not a business--it's an idea. It's a long way off from tangibility. Every manufacturer ever on this site thought there vape was the best and if you took them at their word, you'd be the poor owner of hundreds of vapes.
This doesn't pass the smell test and quite honestly seems like a scam cooked up in the wake of the grasshoppers success.
Just look at the facts. Since they relaunched the product, it is now 1/4 of the original price. Did their costs miraculously shrink? Businesses work on margins, the only way to have such a drastic change is if those "margins" never existed anyway. What's the difference of they list a fake product for $400 or $100 right?
Remember that they are at step 0. They need to create prototypes, test, retest, create new prototypes. This is a long and expensive process. Even if they end up with a product, they will likely not have enough left for full-scale manufacturing. But again, I doubt they intend to actually produce anything.
I find it offensive that instead of spending their own money, they come to this site in hopes that we will be naive enough to hand them over money for nothing. Again, they refuse to spend their money-- why spend yours?
They may have something, but it's not a business--it's an idea. It's a long way off from tangibility. Every manufacturer ever on this site thought there vape was the best and if you took them at their word, you'd be the poor owner of hundreds of vapes.
This doesn't pass the smell test and quite honestly seems like a scam cooked up in the wake of the grasshoppers success.
Just look at the facts. Since they relaunched the product, it is now 1/4 of the original price. Did their costs miraculously shrink? Businesses work on margins, the only way to have such a drastic change is if those "margins" never existed anyway. What's the difference of they list a fake product for $400 or $100 right?
Remember that they are at step 0. They need to create prototypes, test, retest, create new prototypes. This is a long and expensive process. Even if they end up with a product, they will likely not have enough left for full-scale manufacturing. But again, I doubt they intend to actually produce anything.