Discontinued Loto Labs Lux (formerly Evoke)

llamaman001

Well-Known Member
How close are you to putting this heating element in the unit and showing us a real demonstration video? Im not trying to come off as a dick but I just dont get how you plan on shoving all that into this tiny vape? The demonstration videos posted so far are filmed under "perfect" conditions with a heating element that looks about as big as the concept unit itself.
 

thisperson

Ruler of all things person
That's what I was trying to get an answer to but they just ignored me.

As of now it just looks to me like a ploy to take people's money. I mean aren't you supposed to kickstart/indiegogo when you have a prototype ready for a production run?

If I sound like a dick I'm sorry, I'd rather just bring this issue to light and get a clear answer on how far along they are before they get my money.

Looks like the best option at the moment is everyone try to build your own induction vape and see how good it is.
 

420time

Well-Known Member
That's what I was trying to get an answer to but they just ignored me.

As of now it just looks to me like a ploy to take people's money. I mean aren't you supposed to kickstart/indiegogo when you have a prototype ready for a production run?

If I sound like a dick I'm sorry, I'd rather just bring this issue to light and get a clear answer on how far along they are before they get my money.

Looks like the best option at the moment is everyone try to build your own induction vape and see how good it is.
it says the money is to fund creating a vape.......... look at the grasshopper for example.
 
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mrweed

vaporizer review blogger
Since the grasshopper campaign i'd say it's better not to announce a expected release date, especially since they are obviously in a very early state.
You know people only would be pissed if they can't make it.
However, I would appreciate it, if Loto Labs would clearly state that it won't be ready anytime soon.
 

caliwisp

Cali Dreamin'
CAMPAIGN UPDATE EMAIL I RECEIVED TODAY:

Hello Evoke Fans!
Welcome to the Loto Labs family! We're beyond excited to be on this journey with you and we tremendously appreciate your support.
We're almost at the 30 day count down and the campaign to fund the Evoke is going amazing well. We've raised over $13,000, almost 20% of our goal, with funders from all around the globe! But we continue to need your help. Please help spread the word about the campaign.
Tell a friend or two, write a review in the forums, like or share us on Facebook, send out a Tweet, Instagram your donation, help us get the word out and spread the love. You know your friends need an Evoke too. The early bird prices are half sold out. Make sure you and your friends lock in this price! The cost will be going up to $250 after the campaign ends.

We want to make sure you're in the know every step of the way, so please continue to check our updates section of the campaign.
We're also on the lookout for how we can better improve our campaign. Have any ideas? Send us an email with any suggestions.
Peace, love, and vaping,
The Loto Labs Team
 
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Egzoset

Banned
Salutations,

...all that into this tiny vape?

Looks like the best option at the moment is everyone try to build your own induction vape and see how good it is.

Somehow this evoked an old idea of mine which felt simple and convenient enough, back then:

« ...creative hackers would manage to exploit this... It's the set of connectors joining together the analog part to its digital complementary part... »

Yet i suppose it wasn't this simple & convenient after all. Anyway, it may be possible to refurbish a ready-made IH plate, or even go deeper into its circuitry in order to acquire finer control:

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See it in action, no modding of course:


Who knows an up-to-date microcontroller might help to miniaturize all this but i can't but keep thinking an Evoke is still going to run on H.V. inside. So, if voltage is similar while air won't make a suitable insulator (e.g. around the PC-Board cuts) then can we not expect this to only compound as a bigger issue over space, shielding, weight, etc?

:peace:
 
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t-dub

Vapor Sloth
They're asking people to write reviews for a product that doesn't exist, not even in prototype form? :lol:
I gave these guys my $$$ and THAT is funny I don't care who you are . . . :lol: For $79 I figured lets go, I have bought raffle tickets at charity events for a LOT more and never received anything.
 

thisperson

Ruler of all things person
I suppose that's where the value lays for some. They will receive a 250 dollar priced object for 99.

I suppose it's more telling that the bud toaster (induction coil vape) guy said he can manufacture induction coil vapes for 20 dollars. Not saying it's going to be the same thing but I can see how Loto would give a heavy discount.

Anyway, I'm staying far and away now. This thread just made me shake my head.
 

Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
I suppose it's more telling that the bud toaster (induction coil vape) guy said he can manufacture induction coil vapes for 20 dollars.
The Bud Toaster does not use induction. It uses a heated coil around a glass chamber similar to the Vapolution and Cloud/Evo.

Personally, I don't see any meaningful advantages to induction heating. The "feature" is that it can power the heater "wirelessly". That's pretty cool and all, but what is the benefit to the user over a typical "wired" heater?

:peace:
 
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mrweed

vaporizer review blogger
i don't know much about induction technology, but i think it heats very quick!
 
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caliwisp

Cali Dreamin'
I gave these guys my $$$ and THAT is funny I don't care who you are . . . :lol: For $79 I figured lets go, I have bought raffle tickets at charity events for a LOT more and never received anything.

Me too. I like the idea of the people on this forum who know so much about vaporization being able to help support and shape the technology coming out. We know the designers and manufacturers read these threads and respond to the constructive criticism, and have relied on people here as beta testers and modified their products according to the feedback.

Whether or not Loto chooses to engage in an open conversation/relationship here, the acceptance of the FC community as first adopters will be important. People all over the world read the opinions, which are very helpful coming from folks with many years of experience, and many who have technical skills of their own who can speak knowledgeably about not just the technology, but how the products compare, safety of materials and manufacturing, and performance.

I know the Loto people are deep into their product development and business planning. However, if they would make more effort to craft and deliver their message here it would give them a big boost of support and may make the difference in whether this current campaign succeeds.

For example, the Grasshopper people brought FC and other supporters along on their journey of development and discovery and that is part of what built such a huge following; they came across as real people with passion, a clear purpose, and the education and experience to bring their product to fruition. Yes there is a huge need for better-made, better-performing, American-made, more healthy and safe vaporizers that will be affordably priced and available to more people (gosh think of just the populations of the two legalization states, CO and WA, and we are just at the very beginning of that wave!).

However, peoples' willingness to support the development of those is not just based on need but on the company's ability to craft a message that brings people along on the exciting journey with them, with real details, better updates, letting us get to know the product as well as the people behind it.
 

Egzoset

Banned
Salutations MrWeed,
Salutations T-Dub,
Salutations CaliWisp,

...heats very quick!

Yes, and personally i wouldn't even require a large metallic surface to turn red; not even dim-red for that matter! So, i may eventually manage to obtain a 12 - 29 cm (dia.) disc (initially from a special IH frypan) which is claimed to stabilize at 250 °C by virtue of the Curie alloys integrated into its laminated structure, whatever. If i wanted to. Most unfortunately a fully-customized DIY scenario actually calls for 2 different Curie temperature points since this should provide heat control at least equivalent to traditional thermostatic solutions based on current thermostatic systems (built around thermistors, themocouple/diode junctions, etc.): i suggest IH technology is particularily suitable & convenient for this portable application targetting safety & control as priorities. So i submitted the idea of some simple though practically indestructible core, one that would be put together inside a properly shielded shell i presume, since the magnetic circuit must be "closed" (completed) for increased efficiency (e.g. metallic mass). Curie alloys can wait until available, control would be manual at 1st. Once a pair of properly selected Curie alloys is found it should only take 2 pick-up coils to feed a synchronuous demodulator, having a clock reference at close proximity. Provided sufficient computing resources are available i would imagine the demodulator can be emulated in software, who knows even via BlueTooth or WiFi! What do i know?

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What i can tell is that 2 secondary signals derived through their corresponding individual Curie alloys shall contribute to reduce delays, such as the measurement delay of a conventional temperature sensor for example. More precisely, i'd expect at least sufficient variations in amplitude and phase around the Curie points, while 1 single IH KISS driver/coil can power both alloys simultaneously until they become relatively "transparent" magnetically, one after the other, hence providing some well defined events and possibly the means to extrapolate temperature mesurements capable of reflecting heat variations deep within the metal itself, instead of having to go through thermal interfaces and what not (e.g. more delays).

Etc., etc... Etcetera.
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I love the idea of a suave IH oil vape.

If only it could all fit in. Some trade-offs may be required i guess...

People all over the world read the opinions...

This is the main motivation for most of us to gather around, i believe: we do want it to happen!!

:nod:

At various degrees.

However, if they would make more effort to craft and deliver their message here it would give them a big boost of support and may make the difference in whether this current campaign succeeds.

Public relations would take time though, so perhaps all we're waiting for is a solid proof of concept that will convince the Evoke supporters and possibly seduce more. That would seem like a priority to me in any case, but this is not mine to question.

...peoples' willingness to support the development...

Well, i'm afraid there are members who have varying perspectives on the chances this will solve all of the problems ahead. Don't forget the worse which could really happen is that another project will succeed instead...

The world of consumer good can be that harsh sometimes, does it not?

Good luck with this present project.

:peace:
 
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Hippie Dickie

The Herbal Cube
Manufacturer
... I suppose it's more telling that the bud toaster (induction coil vape) guy said he can manufacture induction coil vapes for 20 dollars. ...

as Stu said the Bud Toaster uses a (nichrome wire) heater coil, not induction coil. Also, it is the parts for the cube that cost $20, i can assure you the retail price will be much higher. it's not like there is a machine that can crank these things out ... there is quite a bit of manual fit & trim required.
 

caliwisp

Cali Dreamin'
@Egzoset Keep the dream alive and keep experimenting! Who knows, maybe you will be the next innovator who comes up with the solution to a number of challenges with the current choices! I'll be watching you in any case!
 

Egzoset

Banned
Hi again CaliWisp,

Keep the dream alive...
  • Auto-calibration cycle to support future Modularity
  • Sample Table acquired using Java/Androïd applet
  • Thermocouple to achieve Temperature correlation in Absolute Values
...keep experimenting!

You're mistaking me for somebody else or implying that i should experiment this myself. Too bad the Curie alloys will probably require the resources of an industrical metal foundry, since a series customized Curie temperature points would be required during the initial prototyping phase i figure...

Right now i'm more interrested to read what's on the other's mind anyway. But if you want more input, i'll argue it would be nice to know what the frequency will be, because this will determine the capacitor's power ratings which in turn affects space management, etc., etcetera. Not to mention it would also affect the selection of proper alloys, if that's practical or even possible. So far i'm not reading any of this.

:peace:
 
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grokit

well-worn member
If only it could all fit in. Some trade-offs may be required i guess...

If you are speaking of flowers/dabs/oil tank, there are three different models at this stage of development, so supposedly no trade offs. They want to evolve to a single device with combined functionality in the future.
 

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
Haha you got me there :) but seriously if there was a prototype or a beta model I would be into this as well.
I like the look of the crew putting this device together. It was the wood guy that impressed me the most. I grew up next to a retired ferry boat captain/master wood carver, and I noticed something in his eye, and the feel he seemed to have for the medium, that reminded me of Captain Sears . . . :rip:
 
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Egzoset

Banned
Salutations Grokit,

...flowers/dabs/oil tank... They want to evolve to a single device with combined functionality in the future.

That's what i thought the plan was, hence user-upgradability seemed a good idea. But what sampling rate would suffice? Would it be a better alternative to go analog with a phase-coherent balanced quadrature demodulator bridge, whatever?... Would it help to move the "intelligent" functions off-board using 3 A/D I/Os combined to a pair of bidirectional digital handshare signals, using some optional BT module for example? How about Androïd applets with features as creative and wild as Bio-FeedBack?

I too noticed this was a second attempt at fundraising after all. Certainly something must have come out of the Evoke's team brainstorming sessions, during their 1st-time initial phase i presume...

:peace:
 
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