Liger banger V2.0

[herbivore21]

Ok so for a long time now ai have been aware that thos is the most common generalized conception held by advocates of using the specialized advanced materials for you heat transfering surface when dabbing. And I will not argue that as an owner of both tbe SiC insert and the quartz I can from personal experience say that yes SiC is superior to quartz. BUT THIS is easily explained BY SiC being a bettef thermal conductor as pure Silica Glass which is refeed to as fused quartz is just simply a poor thermal conductor and does transfer the heat well enough to evenly disperse it throughout the material creating a hotter and colder portions of the materail. While SiC will tend to have a evenly heated surface due to it high rate of thermal tranfer allowing greater heat dispersion.
Now in regards oomparing the use of SiC vs Sapphire use a a heat transfering surface to dab off of I have not heard the plaind factual explaination as to what phyiscal characteristics of saphire make it better than SiC as a heat transfer surface And how . Can someone explain why saphire is more desirable other than its spendy which is always trendy.

Sapphire is certainly and very commonly known (as well as clearly explained by any synthetic optics manufacturer who produces both materials - there are a small number that I know of whose sites can be readily found on google) to have better thermal conductivity than fused quartz. It is not necessarily a better thermal conductor than SiC. There may be some other explanation or mechanism for how it tastes better. I do not know of any literature even remotely approaching a clear and specific answer to this question though.

What we do know is that almost, if not everyone (both around here and elsewhere) who has ever dabbed on sapphire swears that it was the tastiest thing they ever dabbed on. Even those who didn't pay for it. Even those who just used a buddy's one or something. There are so many reports here raving about how nice sapphire tastes to dab on from those who have tried. Of course, there are some sad stories of cracked sapphire too - it definitely can happen - SiC is undoubtedly more durable and I've always maintained this from day 1.

Have you used sapphire for dabs yet? As they say, seeing (or in this case, dabbing) is believing. I think for you this will be the best way to put this question to bed (IIRC you haven't dabbed on sapphire yet? Correct me if I'm wrong of course!).

As soon as I know the specific explanation for the physical/chemical mechanisms by which sapphire beats SiC in the flavor stakes, I'll be sure to let you and everyone here know. At least for now though, this is a very niche question for the scientific literature though man and as someone very familiar with this stuff, I can tell you I don't know of a place on earth where the funding will be forthcoming to launch independent scientific studies into why (unless they were from the vape industry, in which case we stoners would all cry shill lol) sapphire makes for tastier dabs than silicone carbide

All we can do at the moment is look at the information that is out there comparing thermal conductivity (all I've seen so far relates to comparisons between sapphire and quartz, but there may be information comparing sapphire and SiC - I do not presume to have read all such literature!), any other possible relevant factors and otherwise just take notice of the fact that most everyone who has ever used (let alone owned) a sapphire nail has recognized that it stands alone as the tastiest thing to dab on - and that the number of those who do is a lot greater now than it was when I first said that sapphire is the tastiest thing so far.

Also this very clearly isn't just a 'spendy=trendy' thing.

Where's the same universal praise for the massive flavor benefits of the much more expensive pukinbeagle quartz designs that are out there? Surely if $$$$$ = popularity, these super expensive quartz designs would be the 'trendiest' nail on the block?

 

[mrbonsai420]

What temps do you use with the flat coil on the V3?

The flat coil 30mm Monster V3 requires higher coil temps. I have found my best results at 850-900 on the coil. Keep in mind that the surface temp of the dabbing surface is much much lower since it is heating quite a bit of material there. I usually start mine out at 900 and once it becomes heat soaked I drop it down to 850. I run my 20mm much cooler, at around 660-670 but I think surface temps are comparable.
Running the flat coil hotter hasn't been an issue for me. I am not sure if it will effect the coils life. But since they are pretty cheap and I still haven't burned one out I am not worried at all about that.

This thing is a beast! The dab surface is the size of a US quarter.

 

[brucee10]

Does anyone have a good model of contact thermometer? I don't trust my infrared model.

 

[Silat]

Does anyone have a good model of contact thermometer? I don't trust my infrared model.

I have this and a hi temp probe: http://www.thermoworks.com/ThermaQ?...2030598004.1471970195.1471970195.1471970195.1

http://www.thermoworks.com/PRB-K-02...2030598004.1471970195.1471970195.1471970195.1

 

[Baron23]

Ok so for a long time now ai have been aware that thos is the most common generalized conception held by advocates of using the specialized advanced materials for you heat transfering surface when dabbing. And I will not argue that as an owner of both tbe SiC insert and the quartz I can from personal experience say that yes SiC is superior to quartz. BUT THIS is easily explained BY SiC being a bettef thermal conductor as pure Silica Glass which is refeed to as fused quartz is just simply a poor thermal conductor and does transfer the heat well enough to evenly disperse it throughout the material creating a hotter and colder portions of the materail. While SiC will tend to have a evenly heated surface due to it high rate of thermal tranfer allowing greater heat dispersion.
Now in regards oomparing the use of SiC vs Sapphire use a a heat transfering surface to dab off of I have not heard the plaind factual explaination as to what phyiscal characteristics of saphire make it better than SiC as a heat transfer surface And how . Can someone explain why saphire is more desirable other than its spendy which is always trendy.

I'm with you wondering that myself.

 

[papapotbelly]

The flat coil 30mm Monster V3 requires higher coil temps. I have found my best results at 850-900 on the coil. Keep in mind that the surface temp of the dabbing surface is much much lower since it is heating quite a bit of material there. I usually start mine out at 900 and once it becomes heat soaked I drop it down to 850. I run my 20mm much cooler, at around 660-670 but I think surface temps are comparable.
Running the flat coil hotter hasn't been an issue for me. I am not sure if it will effect the coils life. But since they are pretty cheap and I still haven't burned one out I am not worried at all about that.

This thing is a beast! The dab surface is the size of a US quarter.

I second that! Sorry I haven't weighed in, guys. I'm a beta tester as well and also helping Josh with some copy for the new website. This thing is really something special! It has some serious "heft" in the hand, the photos don't do it justice. I keep my V2 around 650-675 on a smaller ball recycler, and jack the temps up on the v3 on a taller tube rig, but you can even do tiny dabs on this thing and they just last and last. I'll try to get some Liger p0rn up this week before I head out of town.

PS: Josh kind of answered the sapphire question in his response about production: from what I understand, optical quality Sapphire is grown from a single crystal structure into disks or rods up to 8 inches in diameter, then machined into shapes. It cannot be poured like other ceramics. It is "smooth" on a molecular level so it is more efficient than SiC, which is formed by bonding grains (sintering) of silicon carbide powder.

 

[Gonzo_da_wind]

I second that! Sorry I haven't weighed in, guys. I'm a beta tester as well and also helping Josh with some copy for the new website. This thing is really something special! It has some serious "heft" in the hand, the photos don't do it justice. I keep my V2 around 650-675 on a smaller ball recycler, and jack the temps up on the v3 on a taller tube rig, but you can even do tiny dabs on this thing and they just last and last. I'll try to get some Liger p0rn up this week before I head out of town.

PS: Josh kind of answered the sapphire question in his response about production: from what I understand, optical quality Sapphire is grown from a single crystal structure into disks or rods up to 8 inches in diameter, then machined into shapes. It cannot be poured like other ceramics. It is "smooth" on a molecular level so it is more efficient than SiC, which is formed by bonding grains (sintering) of silicon carbide powder.

Could you explain how the molecular smoothness would be the characteristic that would make the Saphire superior to the SiC. Which I checked and SiC has greater thermal conductivity than Saphire more resistance to thermal shock. In fact the mechanical durability of SiC is superior to Saphire.....the only thing that Saphire has that makes it more useful for in some scenarios s the transparent optical properties. Keep in mind this is the cumulative summary of a 15 minute google search

 

[papapotbelly]

Could you explain how the molecular smoothness would be the characteristic that would make the Saphire superior to the SiC. Which I checked and SiC has greater thermal conductivity than Saphire more resistance to thermal shock. In fact the mechanical durability of SiC is superior to Saphire.....the only thing that Saphire has that makes it more useful for in some scenarios s the transparent optical properties. Keep in mind this is the cumulative summary of a 15 minute google search

LOL sorry dude, I'm in Human Resources. I think you want to speak to a Materials Engineer. What I wrote is my best understanding of the situation. Chemically, Sapphire is just Alumina, it's the cultivation process and machining that make it a superior surface.

I am not well versed enough in the field to give you a more objective, scientific explanation.

Subjectively, I have not had the pleasure to try it, so I won't give my opinion. Kind of like reviewing a movie one hasn't seen yet.

But I will say that the use of sapphire isn't some master marketing ploy by Josh to get folks to buy $300 inserts. The manufacturing difficulties alone would make it more trouble that it's worth. Experienced folks who have tried other sapphire dishes like the D Nail have loved it so much compared to SiC that they have created a demand from CCA for this product, and are willing to pay the $300 for it, and even see it as a great bargain given the rarity of the material and the size of the dish.

That makes me excited enough to get one and try it, But to each his own. Hope you enjoy one of Josh's fine inserts as they are head and shoulders above anything else I've seen/tried.

 

[mrbonsai420]

LOL sorry dude, I'm in Human Resources. I think you want to speak to a Materials Engineer. What I wrote is my best understanding of the situation. Chemically, Sapphire is just Alumina, it's the cultivation process and machining that make it a superior surface.

I am not well versed enough in the field to give you a more objective, scientific explanation.

Subjectively, I have not had the pleasure to try it, so I won't give my opinion. Kind of like reviewing a movie one hasn't seen yet.

But I will say that the use of sapphire isn't some master marketing ploy by Josh to get folks to buy $300 inserts. The manufacturing difficulties alone would make it more trouble that it's worth. Experienced folks who have tried other sapphire dishes like the D Nail have loved it so much compared to SiC that they have created a demand from CCA for this product, and are willing to pay the $300 for it, and even see it as a great bargain given the rarity of the material and the size of the dish.

That makes me excited enough to get one and try it, But to each his own. Hope you enjoy one of Josh's fine inserts as they are head and shoulders above anything else I've seen/tried.

For real, I want to post Liger Porn Pictures of just my inserts! Some of them are scattered around the city at friends houses but I have plenty left.
My very first Liger insert is still going. It was a bomb ass 16mm V1 back when he had the Gangsta Script Logo lol. That quartz insert is still going strong on my sisters little setup. I purposely abuse mine as part of my testing (I'm full of shit, I let them get really dirty and torch clean the fuck out of them out of laziness!).
I will NOT be treating my sapphire that way. As far as comparing the Sapphire I cannot. But as soon as they land I will give you a full report and let you know honestly if I think they are worth the extra money for a connoisseur over SiC or Quartz.
I will say that I still think Quartz is amazing and tasty and I have several SiC dishes. Yet I still use my quartz sometimes. It requires a few more degrees to reach the same surface temp but that doesn't matter at all. Maybe once Sapphire comes around it will be such a profound difference that I don't want to use anything else? I don't now but for know the SiC and Quartz are fantastic and rock my world. I am happy to not know any better I guess until they are available to me.

Here's a nice little 20mm SiC dab for you this morning.

 

[ccchase420]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJjL2YRD7Ya
been getting some great shots with the ability to get a lot more light onto the large surface area of the flat coil.

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJjL2YRD7Ya
been getting some great shots with the ability to get a lot more light onto the large surface area of the flat coil.

Is that the 30mm Big bucket?

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

Ive been running my 30mm LigerV3 at 1100°f!
???? WTF? ?? This is where my research has led me! This is where i get even complete vaporization with the smoothest tastiest vapor. I know some are gonna be like Huh? This is real and i know what I'm doing. To get complete vaporization with no trails this temp is necessary with the Quartz insert. I don't have the Sapphire to test yet

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Greetings.
Stealth Liger Beta Tester here (or I guess, not so stealthy).

I've been toying around with the V3 for about a week now, and thought that I would share some impressions and photos.

Post ISO wash:

Bits bin:

Close-up (with Hurricane cap):

And I thought the Halos were big! (the rig has a 14mm joint and is a bit over 9"):

With a V2 joint and airpath:

With a fancy carb-cap:

My initial impression of CCA's Liger V2 20mm was somewhat tepid.
The Liger V2 is a good nail but I'm spoiled and have a DNail Sapphire Halo, and as far as I'm concerned: it's all about the dabbing surface material.
SiC is sick, in fact it's fantastic; but sapphire tastes better and provides vaporization at lower temps, so I didn't end up using the Liger V2 very often.

Now onto V3 ...

I've been using the Liger V3 flat coil bucket with a SiC insert for the last week, and I am extremely impressed.
The Hurricane cap is brilliant.
Serious whitewalls with smooth taste and mind-numbing effects.
I have always run dropdowns in my rigs, however the V3 Liger transmits very little heat to the joint. Consequently I can run the V3 directly into a rig that ran me a bit over $500 without any fear.
I'm using the Liger V3 flat coil bucket with SiC insert as much, if not more than my Sapphire Halo.
... And that's something that seriously surprises me.
I cannot wait for the Sapphire inserts to be released for testing!

Anyone who's handled CCA's products knows their machining, fit and finish are superlative.
V3 is no exception.

PS You know when everything on your set-up comes together for the best overall effect?
Rig + water-level + dropdown + nail + carb-cap + temp all paired exquisitely
It took me awhile to figure out that such a thing even existed.
I have one set-up like that now.
And now, the set-up pictured above has risen to that level as well.
So I guess, two ...

Super pleased.

 

[nodrog]

I think the new V3 looks great, but the size! Maybe I'm just a bit of a wimp but the 16 mm with the SIC insert is more than sufficient for the biggest dabs I choose to do. I can't imagine needing a bowl as big as the V3 unless I was regularly doing .25 g dabs or bigger. Is there an appeal of the huge bowl other than its size?

Also, a little mystified at the comment about running the V3 at >1000 degrees. Doesn't that burn the crap out of your throat and lungs? The whole reason I got the Liger (v2) was to do dabs at < 650 and even that's hard on the ol' throat sometimes.

 

[Cannabis Connoisseur]

Greetings.
Stealth Liger Beta Tester here (or I guess, not so stealthy).

I've been toying around with the V3 for about a week now, and thought that I would share some impressions and photos.

Post ISO wash:

Bits bin:

Close-up (with Hurricane cap):

And I thought the Halos were big! (the rig has a 14mm joint and is a bit over 9"):

With a V2 joint and airpath:

With a fancy carb-cap:

My initial impression of CCA's Liger V2 20mm was somewhat tepid.
The Liger V2 is a good nail but I'm spoiled and have a DNail Sapphire Halo, and as far as I'm concerned: it's all about the dabbing surface material.
SiC is sick, in fact it's fantastic; but sapphire tastes better and provides vaporization at lower temps, so I didn't end up using the Liger V2 very often.

Now onto V3 ...

I've been using the Liger V3 flat coil bucket with a SiC insert for the last week, and I am extremely impressed.
The Hurricane cap is brilliant.
Serious whitewalls with smooth taste and mind-numbing effects.
I have always run dropdowns in my rigs, however the V3 Liger transmits very little heat to the joint. Consequently I can run the V3 directly into a rig that ran me a bit over $500 without any fear.
I'm using the Liger V3 flat coil bucket with SiC insert as much, if not more than my Sapphire Halo.
... And that's something that seriously surprises me.
I cannot wait for the Sapphire inserts to be released for testing!

Anyone who's handled CCA's products knows their machining, fit and finish are superlative.
V3 is no exception.

PS You know when everything on your set-up comes together for the best overall effect?
Rig + water-level + dropdown + nail + carb-cap + temp all paired exquisitely
It took me awhile to figure out that such a thing even existed.
I have one set-up like that now.
And now, the set-up pictured above has risen to that level as well.
So I guess, two ...

Super pleased.

What temps are u using with V3flat coil??

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

What temps are u using with V3flat coil??

I've settled on 800* for the flat coil bucket with a SiC insert.
Nice whitewalls, pretty much no vapor trails.
However I am using a flat coil that is fairly thick so there isn't any movement in the coil, or air in between the bucket/coil/retainer; is your coil thick enough to be pinned between the bucket and coil retainer?

I think the new V3 looks great, but the size! Maybe I'm just a bit of a wimp but the 16 mm with the SIC insert is more than sufficient for the biggest dabs I choose to do. I can't imagine needing a bowl as big as the V3 unless I was regularly doing .25 g dabs or bigger. Is there an appeal of the huge bowl other than its size?

Also, a little mystified at the comment about running the V3 at >1000 degrees. Doesn't that burn the crap out of your throat and lungs? The whole reason I got the Liger (v2) was to do dabs at < 650 and even that's hard on the ol' throat sometimes.

It is big.
I was concerned that the weight would be an issue, and I have one rig that I won't tolerate that much weight w/o serious tipping danger (and it's an expensive piece).
However, I have a different small piece that I thought "no-way will this work", and with flipping the dropdown around it's extremely stable.
In truth I prefer the ergonomics of my dNail setup (primarily the carb-cap because it's small and light)
But the performance of the Hurricane cap trumps any triffiling flipping concerns I might have.

The primary benefit of larger dabbing surfuce is simply that it provides more surface area.
Regardless of the size of your dab, having more surface area allows your dab to spread out more thinly and quickly, and should lead to more complete vaporization than the same size dab at the same temperature in a nail with less surface area.

The 20mm barrel coil is smaller and lighter (marginally).

 

[nodrog]

The primary benefit of larger dabbing surfuce is simply that it provides more surface area.
Regardless of the size of your dab, having more surface area allows your dab to spread out more thinly and quickly, and should lead to more complete vaporization than the same size dab at the same temperature in a nail with less surface area.

Thank you. I've only been dabbing for less than a year and I'm the only person I know with a dab rig, so I'm still kinda figuring this stuff out on the internet vs "seshing". Appreciate it!

 

[subway13029]

Thank you. I've only been dabbing for less than a year and I'm the only person I know with a dab rig, so I'm still kinda figuring this stuff out on the internet vs "seshing". Appreciate it!

Me to a tee..I am the only person I know who dabs beside my "dude" so I learn on here and YouTube..lol

 

[Gonzo_da_wind]

Ive been running my 30mm LigerV3 at 1100°f!
???? WTF? ?? This is where my research has led me! This is where i get even complete vaporization with the smoothest tastiest vapor. I know some are gonna be like Huh? This is real and i know what I'm doing. To get complete vaporization with no trails this temp is necessary with the Quartz insert. I don't have the Sapphire to test yet

If this is true or anywhere near the temperature needed then, Id say tbe 30mm with the quartz is as far as Im concerned ((and any reputable enail coil manufacturer)) able to be run at a temp range that is safe/will not ruin and void warranty of the coil(dnail) aka unfunctional. The problem is the mass of the 30mm and quartz ((silica))is as I previously mentioned a terrible thermal conducter, it actually one of the most commonly used insulation materials.See what I was afraid of with the 30mm sized Liger even if you encase your coil the any exposed suface with be warming the air around it losing heat. With More thermal energy bein needed to raise the temperature and then maintain that temperature as the outside of the 30mm loses it, you have to increase the amount of energy being sent to the electrical resistance coil so that a coil that is the same size and shape can keep the larger mass at the same temperature as it did the smaller mass. But there is a limited rate at which heat or thermal energy can be transfered between to objects you increase the rate by increasing the amount of the two surfaces touching each other((youd need a bigger coil ))or increase the amount of heat being produced by the coils surface by "setting the temperature higher" but thats not safe do above 900 for long periods with coils sold for enails. If you could order a custom coil rated for higher wattages itd be worth try but most coils cant .

And 800 for the SiC...Thats pretty hard on a coil. And since SiC has a larger heat tranfer rate than Saphire I predict those might have issues as well...unless the diffculty of manufacturing the material causes him to produce a thinner insert.Which would help with the other insert too

 

[mrbonsai420]

Ive been running my 30mm LigerV3 at 1100°f!
???? WTF? ?? This is where my research has led me! This is where i get even complete vaporization with the smoothest tastiest vapor. I know some are gonna be like Huh? This is real and i know what I'm doing. To get complete vaporization with no trails this temp is necessary with the Quartz insert. I don't have the Sapphire to test yet

That might not be unheard of , but if it's a solid fit with your coil snug on the bottom of the bucket 950 should do the trick. Others have been satisfied as low as 850 but I like a thicker cloud than that although it's terpy. Remember that coil temp is very different from surface temp and there is a lot of mass in between that coil and your dab. I have had mine on everyday for a week or so on 950, I will let you know if I go through coils every month with this thing or not. I don't think it's going to be a big deal. I have had my enail for a long time and I still haven't burned a coil out. I personally still am in love with the 20mm form factor.

...Speaking of the 20mm form factor and sapphire. I never know what I am getting from Josh, we talk a lot and we have been talking about sapphire for over a year now. Well I asked for another air intake and a Skelly handle and I got a little surprise. I found a little prototype 20mm sapphire bucket!! Now Josh said this level of polish was not acceptable so our real production sapphire won't look like this but until then I'll take it!
I just broke out my favorite 8 types of concentrate at the moment to try out and I will report back!

I think the new V3 looks great, but the size! Maybe I'm just a bit of a wimp but the 16 mm with the SIC insert is more than sufficient for the biggest dabs I choose to do. I can't imagine needing a bowl as big as the V3 unless I was regularly doing .25 g dabs or bigger. Is there an appeal of the huge bowl other than its size?

Also, a little mystified at the comment about running the V3 at >1000 degrees. Doesn't that burn the crap out of your throat and lungs? The whole reason I got the Liger (v2) was to do dabs at < 650 and even that's hard on the ol' throat sometimes.

Coil temp is not the same as dab surface temp. The flat coil v3 has so much mass that the flat coil 30mm running at about 925 is equal to the 20mm at 650 or so IMO. You are still doing dabs on a surface around 600 degrees either way, why do you care what number the read out says as long as it doesn't cause us to burn coils out all of the time. Time will tell I suppose.

and FYI, The V3 will still come in at least the 20mm and 30mm, and most likely still will be available in the 16mm. It's just the first time a flat coil version has been available, it's not going to be the ONLY version.You still get your choice of bucket size. I prefer something bigger than the 16 but smaller than the 30 so I feel you. But the more I use the 30 the more I like it. Kinda like my transition to the 20mm from the 16mm.

 

[Gonzo_da_wind]

If this is true or anywhere near the temperature needed then, Id say tbe 30mm with the quartz is as far as Im concerned ((and any reputable enail coil manufacturer)) able to be run at a temp range that is safe/will not ruin and void warranty of the coil(dnail) aka unfunctional. The problem is the mass of the 30mm and quartz ((silica))is as I previously mentioned a terrible thermal conducter, it actually one of the most commonly used insulation materials.See what I was afraid of with the 30mm sized Liger even if you encase your coil the any exposed suface with be warming the air around it losing heat. With More thermal energy bein needed to raise the temperature and then maintain that temperature as the outside of the 30mm loses it, you have to increase the amount of energy being sent to the electrical resistance coil so that a coil that is the same size and shape can keep the larger mass at the same temperature as it did the smaller mass. But there is a limited rate at which heat or thermal energy can be transfered between to objects you increase the rate by increasing the amount of the two surfaces touching each other((youd need a bigger coil ))or increase the amount of heat being produced by the coils surface by "setting the temperature higher" but thats not safe do above 900 for long periods with coils sold for enails. If you could order a custom coil rated for higher wattages itd be worth try but most coils cant .

And 800 for the SiC...Thats pretty hard on a coil. And since SiC has a larger heat tranfer rate than Saphire I predict those might have issues as well...unless the diffculty of manufacturing the material causes him to produce a thinner insert.Which would help with the other insert too

That might not be unheard of , but if it's a solid fit with your coil snug on the bottom of the bucket 950 should do the trick. Others have been satisfied as low as 850 but I like a thicker cloud than that although it's terpy. Remember that coil temp is very different from surface temp and there is a lot of mass in between that coil and your dab. I have had mine on everyday for a week or so on 950, I will let you know if I go through coils every month with this thing or not. I don't think it's going to be a big deal. I have had my enail for a long time and I still haven't burned a coil out. I personally still am in love with the 20mm form factor.

...Speaking of the 20mm form factor and sapphire. I never know what I am getting from Josh, we talk a lot and we have been talking about sapphire for over a year now. Well I asked for another air intake and a Skelly handle and I got a little surprise. I found a little prototype 20mm sapphire bucket!! Now Josh said this level of polish was not acceptable so our real production sapphire won't look like this but until then I'll take it!
I just broke out my favorite 8 types of concentrate at the moment to try out and I will report back!

Coil temp is not the same as dab surface temp. The flat coil v3 has so much mass that the flat coil 30mm running at about 925 is equal to the 20mm at 650 or so IMO. You are still doing dabs on a surface around 600 degrees either way, why do you care what number the read out says as long as it doesn't cause us to burn coils out all of the time. Time will tell I suppose.

and FYI, The V3 will still come in at least the 20mm and 30mm, and most likely still will be available in the 16mm. It's just the first time a flat coil version has been available, it's not going to be the ONLY version.You still get your choice of bucket size. I prefer something bigger than the 16 but smaller than the 30 so I feel you. But the more I use the 30 the more I like it. Kinda like my transition to the 20mm from the 16mm.

Thats what i am saying the coils temperture setting would have to be set at temps directly against the manufuctures safety instructions, in order to keep the largekr dab vaporization surface at the same temp as one enjoys on the smaller 20mm suface. I understand there is a 20mm v3 option butbi figure the good and the bad should be discussed so that people can combfortably decide what to invest and especially if thats a 300 investment in a saphire insert that may have a design that could be functiinally flawed. BUT I will reserve judgement til its released .I see ways that Josh could easily improve or fix the possible defect

 

[mrbonsai420]

Thats what i am saying, the coils temperture setting would have to be set at temps directly against the manufuctures safety instructions in order to keep the largekr dab vaporization surface at the same temp as one enjoys on the smaller 20mm suface. I understand there is a 20mm v3 option butbi figure the good and the bad should be discussed so that people can combfortably decide what to invest and especially if thats a 300 investment in a saphire insert that may have a design that could be functiinally flawed. BUT I will reserve judgement til its released .I see ways that Josh could easily improve or fix the possible defect

If it's low coil temps you want you should hope the 20mm sapphire goes into production. I am getting monster thick clouds at 620. I don't know or worry about vapor trails because my method usually involves leaving the cap on for a second hit off of each dab. I am in the pretty delicious territory already but I am about to play around in the 500's My poor brand new 30mm SiC isn't going to get much love this weekend.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

If it's low coil temps you want you should hope the 20mm sapphire goes into production. I am getting monster thick clouds at 620. I don't know or worry about vapor trails because my method usually involves leaving the cap on for a second hit off of each dab. I am in the pretty delicious territory already but I am about to play around in the 500's My poor brand new 30mm SiC isn't going to get much love this weekend.

^^^ Oh, HOLY CRAP!!!

I am soooooooo jelly!


Impressions?
The polishing/matte surface quality looks very similiar (if not identical) to the DNail Sapphire Halo and insert.

I just started using the V3 20mm bucket with a SiC insert:

@mrbonsai420, you say that you like the 20mmV3 better than the 30mmV3?
I might be with you on that one; I've only taken 3 dabs through this set-up, but the usability, ergonomics, efficiency, and mind-numbing effect is astounding!

With the deeper bucket of the 20mmV3 one can use the simultaneous dab&cap method and still use an insert; the 30mmV3 is a bit too shallow for this method.
Plus the Hurricane Cap has alot more freedom of movement on the smaller 20mm bucket, allowing for more room to rotate the cap in three-dimensions (which is both efficient and fun; like a stick shift for your dabing experience!).
The 20mmV3 also has a slightly more constricted regarding airflow than the 30mmV3, and for this particular rig, it seems to be ideal.

 

[mrbonsai420]

^^^ Oh, HOLY CRAP!!!

I am soooooooo jelly!


Impressions?
The polishing/matte surface quality looks very similiar (if not identical) to the DNail Sapphire Halo and insert.

I just started using the V3 20mm bucket with a SiC insert:

@mrbonsai420, you say that you like the 20mmV3 better than the 30mmV3?
I might be with you on that one; I've only taken 3 dabs through this set-up, but the usability, ergonomics, efficiency, and mind-numbing effect is astounding!

With the deeper bucket of the 20mmV3 one can use the simultaneous dab&cap method and still use an insert; the 30mmV3 is a bit too shallow for this method.
Plus the Hurricane Cap has alot more freedom of movement on the smaller 20mm bucket, allowing for more room to rotate the cap in three-dimensions (which is both efficient and fun; like a stick shift for your dabing experience!).
The 20mmV3 also has a slightly more constricted regarding airflow than the 30mmV3, and for this particular rig, it seems to be ideal.

EXACTLY. Plus the coil temp and surface temp are closer due to the more efficient design of the barrel coil vs flat. I'm not saying it's better, because I love this flat coil 30mm once I crank the coil up to 950. But the hurricane cap just rotates so nicely on the new 20mm V3.

I love your rigs, have you thought about the use a drop down? I have never heard of a Liger breaking a joint due to heat transfer but I don't wan't to start with one of your beauties! Do you use a drop down with any of your setups to catch reclaim? That's the main reason I use them. I like to use the easily obtained claim in brownies. It's nice not to have to use ISO to get your claim. Just a little heat and it pours right out! I know the Liger creates very little but if you dab like I do it adds up. I just made a batch!

 

[herbivore21]

If it's low coil temps you want you should hope the 20mm sapphire goes into production. I am getting monster thick clouds at 620. I don't know or worry about vapor trails because my method usually involves leaving the cap on for a second hit off of each dab. I am in the pretty delicious territory already but I am about to play around in the 500's My poor brand new 30mm SiC isn't going to get much love this weekend.

Ok, now I'm in when these are available!

Also love the new design on the base connecting to the rig. This is a very big nail, but my dab rigs can thankfully take this weight/size

I don't think I'd bother with a barrel coil since it seems like the heat needs to be pushed very high in use and I just don't wanna be putting excess heat into my home/energy bills if it is unnecessary. Still, the flat coil is looking amazing!