Knock-offs and originals
- Thread starter BigDaddyVapor
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I go to ALT sometimes, and there is a nice place here in La Habra, but I forget the name. I don't see any Chinese glass at either one. None of the run of the mill LHSs carry shit. Just Chinese.
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
That was the sentence I was trying to edit and it kept repeating it. Finally I said f it, deleted it and got to my laptop.
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
Haha and I just deleted that too. I thought it a bit harsh
Hey! Quoted posts get updated with edits. Intriguing
No, I did the edit about as fast as you did.
shredhead
Specialist
i think knock offs are great and i have a couple, but eventually everyone grows out of it may it be the craving for a better glass, diffuser or just the technology of a tube/ bubbler. Everyone has owned a cheap piece somewhere down the line and im sure everyone has a place in there hearts for that first cheap piece. you cant beat joy at a low price
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
i think knock offs are great and i have a couple, but eventually everyone grows out of it may it be the craving for a better glass, diffuser or just the technology of a tube/ bubbler. Everyone has owned a cheap piece somewhere down the line and im sure everyone has a place in there hearts for that first cheap piece. you cant beat joy at a low price
And see... I view this as a natural progression. My 1st piece was a really cheap piece. They've improved in quality as my tastes have. In the beginning... I didn't want a Mobius.
I want a Mobius now. Still not able to afford it. So I'm upgrading my Chinese glass, to a higher quality, yet still affordable YET functional level. Save more for next time and maybe one day, there will actually be a Mobius for sale someplace and I can buy one.
(Actually, I'm not that obsessed with a Mobius, unless bOObs gives me the bOObius.)
Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
What about nicely US made tubes out of chinese glass ? Are they considered low quality china glass or HQ american made pipes ?
I can really get it about the main difference when people said china glass.. Do you mean that the glass is lower quality than.. US glass or just that china makers has affinity to do sloppy work ?
I can really get it about the main difference when people said china glass.. Do you mean that the glass is lower quality than.. US glass or just that china makers has affinity to do sloppy work ?
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
Both.
There are sources of glass from china that is more brittle than some of the higher quality stuff available (IIRC there is a german one that is one of the best?)
AND
Stuff produced in china tends to be made on the cheap, so corners may be cut in the construction of a piece.
There's no reason awesome stuff can't come out of China, and some nice stuff surely does, but a majority of it is pretty average...
At least that's what I can gather from my readings on the internet...
(I've really only been into glass for a year or so...
)BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
Funny thing.
The American glass blower, who was going to make me a piece, flew away.
The foreigners, that sold me Chinese glass, are shipping it any day. EDIT: Just shipped it, today!
The American glass blower, who was going to make me a piece, flew away.
The foreigners, that sold me Chinese glass, are shipping it any day. EDIT: Just shipped it, today!
Homie
"I Need An Eighth"
Right but your getting something generic... Would you buy glass made in North Korea if it was cheaper than Chinese glass?
Tweak
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This can be applied to just about any hobby. Which makes me think of a recent article than can relate to the subject at hand.
LensRentals.com - Hammerforum.com
So does cheap glass also effect the performance of the piece? And if so, how much diffusion can one loose just from a slightly deformed piece?
My first piece was moderately priced (>$100 but less than $200) and I broke it within a month,
. My second piece was just $40, performs the same if not better, and has lasted over 3 months. I admit it is cheaper glass, I'm sure much easier to break, but I could break 3 of them for the price of a thicker piece. I couldn't imagine the feeling if I where to break a $300 Mobius piece.Another thought, how many here trust your friends to handle your glass. A cheap Chinese bubbler/bong could serve a great purpose as a social piece that you wouldn't have to worry about getting broke/stolen.
And one final thought, I'm guessing that most users here are using there glass with vapor. Shouldn't combusters be more concerned about diffusion than us vapors? Vapor straight from my whip isn't that bad, I can't imagine the need for multiple percs. Is it just for the "cool" factor?
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
Your point? Because it doesn't have anything to do with my post, other than trying to light a spark. Not going to play that game, sorry.
By the way, I don't think N Korea makes bongs.
Also, funny thing. I was doing some window Web shopping and just had to look at the Mobius again. Every site I went to, that had pictures, or sold them (when in stock)... the Matrix I was checking out... LOOKED EXACTLY THE SAME! Like generic looking, you know?
placetime
Well-Known Member
This can be applied to just about any hobby. Which makes me think of a recent article than can relate to the subject at hand.
LensRentals.com - Hammerforum.com
So does cheap glass also effect the performance of the piece? And if so, how much diffusion can one loose just from a slightly deformed piece?
My first piece was moderately priced (>$100 but less than $200) and I broke it within a month,
Another thought, how many here trust your friends to handle your glass. A cheap Chinese bubbler/bong could serve a great purpose as a social piece that you wouldn't have to worry about getting broke/stolen.
And one final thought, I'm guessing that most users here are using there glass with vapor. Shouldn't combusters be more concerned about diffusion than us vapors? Vapor straight from my whip isn't that bad, I can't imagine the need for multiple percs. Is it just for the "cool" factor?
very good points, imho.
and Hammerforum.com =
Tweak
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and Hammerforum.com =
Yeah first time I read that I was ROFLMAO.
Funny thing too, the hammer mentioned in the article was sold out just hours after this article made its round through various photography forums.
BigDaddyVapor
@BigDogJunction
OMG! That was @#$%ing HILARIOUS!
Zangano Cruel
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In that case we should all be naked, walking all the time and only have all your life custom made.
Nobody would play rock because it's been played before. Cars still be Ford As & Ts.
The whole world would have a new patent every second(I'm sure already happens
. But my point is, the wheel have already been invented before 
So, I'm a less person because I can't afford a $500 piece????? Really ????
Mod note: Please avoid back to back posts. Use your edit button to add to a previous post.
MarcellusWiley
Dab Trotter
That's not really what he said at all. He just said that if you buy a knock-off you know its a knock-off haha. He never said anything personal about anyone. If you can't stomach living with not having the real deal thats one thing but there was nothing personal in his statement lol. He just personally said he'd rather have the "real deal" when it comes to glass.
I love having the real deal when it comes to glass but I'm no saint in every aspect of my life. I'd much prefer a shitty knock-off to a rolex watch which means nothing to me. To each his own, no real argument here. That's why they make cheap stuff and expensive stuff.
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and IMO the fashion argument while good, only really works on the design aspect because you go beyond that into the function of glass vs fashion and Its hard to say people are gunna go out buying nearly as much glass as clothes and glass work/science doesn't go "out of style" nearly as quickly as fashion just for the sheer material aspect of it.
the artists kinda have to protect their style or what they do. If it is a scientific artist they must protect the science behind their glass, right?
Look at it from the worked glass perspective, if I was Zach P wouldn't I get pretty pissed off if some guy started making black and white sketch art and worked toilet domes and slides and stuff for way cheaper than I make them? I dunno I couldn't stop them really but it would annoy me since I worked hard to create that style. I don't see that big of a difference with scientific things like percs, if its something unique enough in design that actually is allowed to be patented.
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I understand everyone's point here, but,
what about artists like real ones. I know everybody is an artist now.
Renacentists or even earlier artists set a path for the rest of the future in the painting world. And everybody are copying them. And nobody complains about it. Go tell painters not to follow an style because it's someone else's , they will LOL in our faces
So, why glass blowers are treated like stars. ( we can even vape or combust without them if we wanted )
There's a deeper problem nowadays in human nature, called greediness.
Patent pendings have nothing to do about science and research it's about $$$$$$ and covering their asses.
Besides water & gas filtration it's about physics. Matrix, Honeycomb , Fritted Disc, it's all the same f....g purpose.
All this filtration systems serve the same purpose, filtrate, if you put a turd, inside a tube, and helps filtration, it would be the same f...g thing as an expensive Jags or whatever he is.
And if we think a label and an hexagonal base changed the way vapor or smoke filters or diffuses, man we need help.
Kia's cars take you to work and home, don't they??
Mercedes Benz as well. Same purpose.
The day someone invents a different difussing & filtrating system without the aid of water, glass and different percs, then we can claim an invention.
The rest is just adding already known or previously invented elements to the same purpose.
Like adding more rubber and bigger diameter to a wheel.
I hope my ranting at some point makes some sense.
BTW...
@Tweak, that was really funny, jajjajajajaja, don't we look like a bunch of spoiled kids arguing
got to love it either way.
Discussion and disagreement is really funny, and IMO nobody will ever should get hurt by words or expressions, we need to laugh at it and ourselves, IMO.
I even already forgot about my yesterday ranting and complaining and whining
lolNow I remember... this pot man, I swear.
On my way to meet my good friend and medicine friend...
notmyrealUSERname
Notmy Well-Known Member
X2! Thanks. I just kept thinking of all bho purging threads on TC, the parallels are amazing!
Tweak
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BTW...
@Tweak, that was really funny, jajjajajajaja, don't we look like a bunch of spoiled kids arguing
got to love it either way.
Glad you guys like it. I was hoping the message would get through because a lot of the references in the article are Photography related. I also see a lot of parallels in discussing glass, regarding cheap lenses vs 3rd party lenses, but at least with photo glass the difference in performance can somewhat be measured (MTF charts, Chromatic Abrasion, distortion, AF speed).
The way I see it, any form of vaporbonging is a long way from my $40 worked china combustion piece. It's like moving from a P&S to a D-SLR,
. We all have to start somewhere.