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vapviking

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What makes it even more suspicious is that all this happened just as Biden is imploding. Reeks of desperation.
If one presupposes a "plan", right or wrong you will find one.

The very broad lack of empirical thinking and reason is a hallmark of the deep shit in which we find ourselves. Long called the dumbing-down of America.

This shooter, as pointed out so eloquently by @florduh, nearly exactly fits the profile of every other "mass shooter" of the last several years, down to the weapon of choice.
Americans love weapons and violence. We often encourage it. A small, mal-adjusted segment of the population is thereby empowered to just "go off" pretty much at random.
 

florduh

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Yes, but obviously that was not the plan. What makes it even more suspicious is that all this happened just as Biden is imploding. Reeks of desperation.

If they don't have Trump, they have no campaign message at all. They're losing to Trump, but they'd be losing to a non-octogenarian Republican even worse. Your theory makes no sense to me, sorry


I knew the CIA was having recruitment problems due to drug testing but this is ridiculous

Crooks once fired from the seventh lane — the closest lane to the right wall — and hit the left wall, completely missing every target on the back wall. He missed his target by close to 20 feet, Murphy recalled.

“He tried out…and was such a comically bad shot he was unable to make the team and left after the first day,” Murphy said.
 
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Varden

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If one presupposes a "plan", right or wrong you will find one.

The very broad lack of empirical thinking and reason is a hallmark of the deep shit in which we find ourselves. Long called the dumbing-down of America.

This shooter, as pointed out so eloquently by @florduh, nearly exactly fits the profile of every other "mass shooter" of the last several years, down to the weapon of choice.
Americans love weapons and violence. We often encourage it. A small, mal-adjusted segment of the population is thereby empowered to just "go off" pretty much at random.

Instead using passive aggressive insults while constructing snarky pseudo intellectual arguments that make you feel above everyone is the hallmark of intelligence. See how easy it is to do?

Bringing back things to a more constructive direction, here you have a video of the guy crawling through the roof to get into position. This wasn't a super smooth operation, on the contrary.


The agents break protocol and leave an obvious spot unchecked and open, the guy just happens to know where to go, does it as slowly as he wants... when normal people can see the danger MINUTES BEFORE, try to warm agents, and yet shit is allowed to happen anyway...

Obviously we will never know what exactly happened, and that is what some people will use to deny it with snarky comments, but the question is if someone had set up an inside job, what would have looked different? And the answer is nothing, an inside job would look exactly like it happened.

Now each one biases can choose to believe whatever we want.

Edit: and on a more lighearted note, the parents of the shooter are both behavioural therapists... If I'm their client I'm deeply questioning my choice of therapist.
 
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vapviking

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Instead using passive aggressive insults while constructing snarky pseudo intellectual arguments that make you feel above everyone is the hallmark of intelligence. See how easy it is to do?
Apologies, I did not intend to insult you.
Sometimes I try to carefully construct things, maybe I come off as a smart ass.

In simpler terms, I think you are trying to suggest some conspiracy plot here, based on a set of data points that so far, to me, look like a nut job shooter found some holes in security bungled by incompetant Secret Service and local police.

I know a guy who was SS on the team protecting then VP Biden. If he was typical of the brain trust, then all these pols are in trouble.

an inside job would look exactly like it happened.
Well, I do disagree with that, but I won't argue any more.

Edit: and on a more lighearted note, the parents of the shooter are both behavioural therapists... If I'm their client I'm deeply questioning my choice of therapist.
That's hilarious 😂
 
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florduh

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Someone needs to do something about Conservative-on-Conservative crime in this country.

Do you think it's fatherlessness? Or is violence just part of their culture?


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Me when the shooter turns out to be a Rhonda Santis supporter:

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Desantis did have a little army of nasty little Zoomer fascists who believed Trump wasn't nearly extreme enough. The campaign kept getting in trouble because his Zoomers would sneak fascist symbols into their ads.


They believed if Rhonda won, he would institute the Fourth Reich, put all the degenerates in camps, and give them government issued girlfriends. And a lot of them looked exactly like the shooter:shrug:
 

florduh

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What a bunch of dumb pussies. If a registered Democrat shot Biden, every Republican would be laughing and saying it was Joe's spurned gay lover. They sure as hell wouldn't surrender.




Absolute losers. Why should violent Republicans shooting each other be bad news for the Demoncrats? Announce Joe's replacement to change the news from Donnie getting shot by one of Rhonda's SuperSoldiers.
 
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florduh

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Vice Presidential Candidate JD Vance is one of the most disgusting people in this country.

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He became famous in the wake of Trump's surprise 2016 victory as a liberal media darling. He wrote an autofictional book about his upbringing in Appalachia. It was later made into a shitty Netflix film. This review accurately summarizes both the book, and Vance's entire life:

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MSNBC hosts brought Vance on to ask why the "white working class" of Coal Country is so dumb, poor, and racist. Vance's answer wasn't that NAFTA and Purdue Pharma completely destroyed the region. No. It was that Appalachian Culture fostered a lack of "personal responsibility" and that Hillbillies had "learned helplessness". Sound familiar?

JD Vance is basically an Uncle Tom for poor white people. He became a Silicon Valley tech bro and took every opportunity to shit on where he came from.

To see what a voice of the Working Man he is, here's Vance going to the UAW picket line last year:


I like that this soy chubby pussy is supposed to be the heir apparent of the ALPHA MALE MAGA Movement. LOL, he got thoroughly big-dicked by a little old Midwestern lady :rofl:
 

macbill

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florduh

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Delusional Biden Dead Enders are using everyone focusing on Trump getting his ear pierced by a Republican groyper to sneakily cement Joe as the nominee before the convention next month.


A problem with the Trump Presidency is that it seemed absurd that he was the President. It's also absurd that this guy is the President right now 👇
 
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florduh

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We can have billionaires. Or we can have a democracy. Can't have both:shrug:


Tax the rich until they can't afford to do this stupid shit. They can clearly afford it.

"Oh no you can't do that! The rich know how to invest their money efficiently! The gubernment does not!!!:cry: "

LOL, clearly not! Spending a quarter of a billion to run more TV ads about how brown immigrants are coming for your white daughters is a bad use of money. It would be better for society at large if the government simply took that money from him and lit it on fire.
 

florduh

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Meanwhile, my GOAT is fucking washed!!!

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Me going back in time and explaining to my 2020 self that I'm siding with Nancy Pelosi and Shifty Adam Shit over Bernie and AOC in the Democratic Party Civil War:

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macbill

Oh No! Mr macbill!!
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florduh

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GODFEARING PATRIOTS: TRUST THE PLAN!!!!



THIS MORNING:


JUST NOW:


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COCONUTHEADS! WE'RE GOING TO THE WHITE HOUSE

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Varden

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And the "coincidences" keep piling up:

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𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆: Austin Private Wealth with CONNECTIONS to the Bush family shorted 12M shares of $DJT via a put option on July 12, just ONE DAY before the assassination attempt. Did the Bush's know something was going to happen to Donald Trump? This massive trade represents 6% of total shares and over 16% of the float, given Trump’s 60% ownership. Their $1B AUM makes this a significant bet.


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Remember how Nimrata aka "Nikki Haley" was pushed as the alternative to Trump?

SO WEIRD, RIGHT? First, she wasn't going to speak at the RNC - then, randomly on a Saturday afternoon on the 13th of July... Nikki Haley is chosen to speak at the last minute, at the RNC! CRAZY!
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CRAZY COINCIDENCE, because not 20 minutes later, a GUNMAN opened fire on the rally TRUMP was speaking at with all his supporters attending in BUTLER, PA!
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20 minutes before the shots ring out, the MSM is squeaking out the story that NIKKI HALEY will be a tag-on name, last-minute addition to the roster of speakers at the RNC.
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But sure, lone wolf, occam's razor, CIA are good guys, ... It was clear it was an inside job from the start.
 
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florduh

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It was clear it was an inside job from the start.

Yeah, about as clear as mud. Your theory is that George W Bush and Niki Haley conspired with the CIA to kill Trump and make Haley President? Because there's no way the Biden people wanted to run against her. The Democrats would love running against Trump for the next 1,000 years if they could.


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The kid was a weird, depressed, Right Wing loser who wanted to commit suicide by cop in a very public way. Trump just happened to be the closest option.

Honestly, I'd much rather these types take shots at politicians than shoot up a bunch of little kids at their former schools. Fourth graders don't get sniper protection :shrug:
 

Madtater

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The kid was a weird, depressed, Right Wing loser who wanted to commit suicide by cop in a very public way. Trump just happened to be the closest option.

Honestly, I'd much rather these types take shots at politicians than shoot up a bunch of little kids at their former schools. Fourth graders don't get sniper protection :shrug:
I 100% agree.

There will always be conspiracy theories…and i am ok with that because it proves people are still able to think outside the box.

I want to know why there was such a lapse in security. Whether it be the current president, trump, obama, bush, clinton etc, the USSS is charged with protecting these people. We as taxpayers pay for that protection. Politics aside, they should be doing their jobs. There is ZERO chance that the counter sniper teams did not see that loser on the rooftop. So i ask, why did they not rush trump off the stage before the shooter was set? Why did they let trump out on stage when they knew ahead of time about this guy?

Easy to conspiracy theory this incident when there are so many unanswered basic questions. Compound that with the director of the USSS not answering questions, the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

I am not there yet saying that there is some nefarious plan in the works quite yet…but i have questions about how this happened, whether it was by accident or a planned failure.
 

florduh

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There will always be conspiracy theories…and i am ok with that because it proves people are still able to think outside the box.

Oh yeah, let me be clear. I have no problem with conspiracy theories. I'm a big JFK conspiracy head. But the theory needs to make internal sense given the available facts. I just haven't heard a good one for this situation yet.

I am not there yet saying that there is some nefarious plan in the works quite yet…but i have questions about how this happened, whether it was by accident or a planned failure.

There for sure needs to be a major investigation. The whole way everything was handled is almost comically bad.

State police identified the kid as suspicious 30 minutes prior. Staties, local PD, and the USSS then lost the kid. And they still let Trump take the stage!


Personally, at this point at least, I think all of this is explained by cops (and Feds are still cops) being really bad at their jobs. The Secret Service has failed literally every time someone's taken a shot.

I could see the conspirators getting the Secret Service/Feds to do a "planned failure". But how did they get Staties and local PD to be laughably bad at their jobs too? All those guys want to kiss Trump on the mouth.
 

Varden

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The shorting the day before is not explained by the secret service being useless.

I understand that Trump being taken down by more than a crazy gunman makes him look good and disturbs your image of USA politics, so you do not want to admit it. I understand that. It hurts your politics. But anyone who can look at that with less bias can see clearly what happened.
 
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