Vape Master
Formerly C3PO
Interesting. I got my MV1 on Friday, its as described. The best vaporizer (Period).
Discontinued Ghost MV1
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Interesting. I got my MV1 on Friday, its as described. The best vaporizer (Period).
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
I know you're new here, so welcome to FC dude. One thing you will very quickly realize here though is, there is no best vaporizer!
Respectfully, that is not how I'm seeing it described.
I'm reading completely mixed opinions on the device. Some are getting no vapor production at all, while my buddy @ShayWhiteGrow looks to be getting pretty solid performance!
Members on another forum have already begun receiving their first replacements. I'm curious what the reports will be like after 30 days.
Baron23
Well-Known Member
Tell it, sister (or brother, as the case my be! LOL)Have to pick you here: you often play the damage control procedure in rbt threads when some one reports weak performances, also very recently when few new zion customers complained about lack of power (not being able to make dark abv as they wanted, no matter the dial or pushing the button) you replied like this:
But that's precisely the beauty of it! You get tons of vapor and the ABV ends up seemingly lighter in color precisely because the design parameters make it hard to char. Why do you want to char in the first place by the way? The recurring jokes about 10% combustion were really just jokes, we're on FC!
-sorry for the unorthodoxe quote, being banned from rbt threads i cannot quote directly-
This is exactly a damage control statement (as we know a good working zion has the power to char if you want it, even your zion has the power to char, isn't it?), as you seem not to like damage control procedure when performed by big company I dislike even more when played by some fellow FCer that should remain objective and not act as if he was part of the company, misleading other fellows FCers..
I know, I know
Please stop exaggerating. One post by one member suggested it was faked.
Ghost did say that they cannot reproduce the experiment and a few posters, myself, Bud, a couple of others opined that this did not happen (off gassing) with their MV-1, which is just simple statement of fact (well, it certainly is in my case).
I don't get you mate. You haven't liked this offering from well before it was available for you or anyone else to use it or even see. As far as I know, you don't have one nor have a friend who feels that they were screwed in any way by Ghost on this vape. So, what's your beef...you protecting all of us who like it very much from ourselves???
Now...I can't use the T word or Attila the Mod will slap my pee-pee....but what should this behavior be called....??
Whatever it is, it does not seem like objective observation to me.
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Wet..
or Dry..
boy this is fun!
duff
Well worn
Nice vids @ShayWhiteGrow
I don't get why you think you can post any opinion you want but I can't. This isn't Vapelife Baron, you aren't a moderator here. Most owners have reported an obvious silicone smell which means it is already off-gassing at room temperature. Of course that is going to be amplified when heat is applied, we're talking about a device which gets so hot it can vaporize concentrates via convection. Medical grade silicone is not even safe to store concentrates in at room temperature, let alone 600 degree vapor that Ghost still claims is not in the vapor path. Even you have pointed out it is in the vapor path, yet rampant denial insists on another forum...
Plenty of people have found my posts in this thread useful and relevant so leave me alone. If you don't like them move along. I don't know what else to say here.
And it's not one person which has said the video is staged , anyone can verify for themselves by google searching "Users Ghost MV1 Ratings" and read the thread. Username "Ghostvapesofficial" feels so threatened by @Gibarian video that they have posted this message "We have also contacted legal to look into this and will be making a statement in due course. In the event that someone has intentionally altered, interfered with or intentionally misused our product to damage our reputation, we will take the strongest possible course of action."
Yes I already saw your post on the other forum where you personally called me a troll, no reason for you to relay that message here. Just because I am not a member of the other forum doesn't mean I don't see your derogatory comments. And for the record, I do not have any aliases on other forums other than this one, so you don't need to question people if I am them like you did to @SpudBob who is also a member of this forum.
By the way, Ghost Vapes could easily send their same customer service representatives here to address these questions but for some reason they choose not to and just send the owner and moderator of the forum they did their marketing campaign on. lol!
Have a blessed day.
"When there's somethin' strange, in your neighborhood, WHO YA GONNA CALL?"
MonsterWithoutBorders
Philosophim
I am experimenting with a way of cleaning the MV1. I do it in 3 parts. Part 1 is the crucible.
The crucible reacts well to pbw and that got rid of all the stains that the normal iso bath did
not remove.
Part 2 is the glass mouthpiece.
Just iso and q-tips for this one.
Part 3: Is the cooler assembly removed by pushing it up after opening the crucible compartment.
I put the whole piece minus the mouthpiece into a container with iso and then heat up the 99% iso in a hot water bath that surrounds the container
Swirl it around leave it for awhile and then take it out to dry. I am going to try this for about 20 crucibles fill and then
take it apart to see if any residue remains. So far the smell test tells me it is clean.
Also I have been loading the crucible only 3/4 full and loose and that works really well. Even though a little uneven the lighter particles are quite sufficiently vaped. I really would like the crucible holder so I could have multiple crucibles ready.
The crucible reacts well to pbw and that got rid of all the stains that the normal iso bath did
not remove.
Part 2 is the glass mouthpiece.
Just iso and q-tips for this one.
Part 3: Is the cooler assembly removed by pushing it up after opening the crucible compartment.
I put the whole piece minus the mouthpiece into a container with iso and then heat up the 99% iso in a hot water bath that surrounds the container
Swirl it around leave it for awhile and then take it out to dry. I am going to try this for about 20 crucibles fill and then
take it apart to see if any residue remains. So far the smell test tells me it is clean.
Also I have been loading the crucible only 3/4 full and loose and that works really well. Even though a little uneven the lighter particles are quite sufficiently vaped. I really would like the crucible holder so I could have multiple crucibles ready.
Baron23
Well-Known Member
Because you exaggerate to make more of a point than I think is valid and I still wonder what you beef is with this vape.
This ^^ is another exaggeration. Neither of us know what "Most owners" have reported and in my informal reading of the boards, this is not true. But I also cannot (and neither can you) extrapolate this to "most owners".
No, its not a matter of my posting my opinion and not wanting you to post yours. It is a matter of my perception that you are stating things about this vape as fact, when they are either not knowable or are an exaggeration.
and yes, it was one poster...name of Dave. cut and paste others who said it was faked...direct quotes. You are just trying to stir up shit.
And no, I didn't call you a troll, I said that there seemed to be haters on the MV-1 and that wrt to you "well, maybe yeah."
I believe that I have been consistent with the vape and Ghost's shortfalls which are, to me:
1. The crucible lid design not being retained in any way is a PIA and will prevent this vape from being popular with any medical users who have movement disorders/dexterity issues and in fact for a lot of older MMJ patients for whom fiddly little objects become a PIA as we age. And this is a large and growing part of the market.
2. I don't agree with their one button for all mode/value input. And the one row of idiot lights is insufficient in my opinion.
3. I have great concern that while my vape works perfectly, I know others who are seeing charring and other difficulties. Ghost says that this is due to the utility that they used to unlock the vapes and that on some vapes it really messed up the other pre-set temps. I question them on this as that's not generally how software works. Apply a patch or run a script on some software and generally the output is the same. They also seemed to be open that they really don't understand the underlying mechanism that would do this, so until the app comes out and proves this one way or the other that this is indeed the underlying issue, there are a lot of folks out there now with a unresolved issues. See this:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ghost-mv1.25299/page-9#post-1164355
I'm no fan boy for this or any other vape. But neither do I think I am a basher without cause of any vape.
Here you go, mate: https://forum.vapelife.com/discussion/comment/28700
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HD Springer
Well-Known Member
Did you tape the video with the bowl/crucible not loaded in the unit itself? XIf so then why not try it fully loaded and see what vapor production you would have. I could be way off here but I would have to think that it's not made to be ran with out the proper parts in place. If it's truly off gassing which it seemed to be then it should do the same thing when it's ran with the right parts in place.
It looks as if there are a few issues early customers are having. Nothing that bad or big of a deal.imo. I really feel some issues could just be users not having had experience with a true convection unit. And to be perfectly honest it sounds like it has delivered on what claims @VCBud had made. Cool,very very cool vapor.
Because you exaggerate to make more of a point than I think is valid and I still wonder what you beef is with this vape.
This ^^ is another exaggeration. Neither of us know what "Most owners" have reported and in my informal reading of the boards, this is not true. But I also cannot (and neither can you) extrapolate this to "most owners".
No, its not a matter of my posting my opinion and not wanting you to post yours. It is a matter of my perception that you are stating things about this vape as fact, when they are either not knowable or are an exaggeration.
I believe that I have been consistent with the vape and Ghost's shortfalls which are, to me:
1. The crucible lid design not being retained in any way is a PIA and will prevent this vape from being popular with any medical users who have movement disorders/dexterity issues and in fact for a lot of older MMJ patients for whom fiddly little objects become a PIA as we age. And this is a large and growing part of the market.
2. I don't agree with their one button for all mode/value input. And the one row of idiot lights is insufficient in my opinion.
3. I have great concern that while my vape works perfectly, I know others who are seeing charring and other difficulties. Ghost says that this is due to the utility that they used to unlock the vapes and that on some vapes it really messed up the other pre-set temps. I question them on this as that's not generally how software works. Apply a patch or run a script on some software and generally the output is the same. They also seemed to be open that they really don't understand the underlying mechanism that would do this, so until the app comes out and proves this one way or the other that this is indeed the underlying issue, there are a lot of folks out there now with a unresolved issues. See this:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ghost-mv1.25299/page-9#post-1164355
I'm no fan boy for this or any other vape. But neither do I think I am a basher without cause of any vape.
But I identified the crucible lid and controls as obvious problems in the last thread too. And the silicone in the vapor path. The only thing I have been wrong about is the crucible material contributing a conduction effect, which I will admit does not seem to be the case, HOWEVER, MV1 owners seem to be getting mixed performance regarding even vaporization, with the "char" word appearing many times on another forum. Ghost Vapes claims The MV1 distributes heat evenly thanks to an innovative diffuser. This means no charring of material and no need to stir in-between vapes. You're saying I'm exaggerating but it seems like we agree on much of the same points.
Baron I still want to know your opinion on Ghost Vapes and The Vape Critic claiming silicone is not in the vapor path when you say otherwise. Why does Bud not agree with you?
However I sincerely cannot figure out why you think I would bash a vape without cause . I have never received a vaporizer in my life in exchange for reviews so I've no clue what motive I could possibly have. Nothing I've said has stopped anyone from buying a Ghost anyways so if I'm supposed to be a shill or something I'm doing an extremely poor job.
Baron23
Well-Known Member
And I agree with you and forgot to list the silicone. I agree....while the heat sink and the lid are in very close proximity to each other, and while this will probably ensure that the vast majority of the vapor just be sucked from one to the other, it certainly does seem like there is 1/8" of silicone that is exposed to the vapor path. Unless I see some other type of cutaway model or drawings that refute this, that's my current view. It doesn't bother me, but if others object to it I see that as their right.
We also agree that Ghost has a serious issue to resolve, that the problem is not universal but only expresses itself in some units and not others, and that until it is resolved owners are at risk and the root cause is still not confirmed.
I'll tell you what....let's make peace. I'm going to back up now as I don't want to have interpersonal beefs with other respected and long time members on FC. I value my relationships on FC (good and bad haha) and really do want to contribute to the peace rather then the confrontations.
How's that? Peace unto you, brother.
Oh, I just wanted to add that I could not repeat your results. That is, my MV-1 did not off gas during a burn in and I also removed the heat sink and crucible to look down in there.
I have NOT called you a liar or a fabricator and never would. I take what you posted at face value. But so far its one case (or at least I haven't seen other reports of visible out gassing but I have seen some say that they have detected a chemical/material odor on their new vapes which I also did not observe personally). I would like to see what others find out by trying to reproduce your results.
Cheers
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darbarikanada
Well-Known Member
on behalf of what I suspect are the many 'lurkers' watching this thread, I'd like to thank the early adopters who are sharing their experiences. this vape came with pretty high (sic) expectations, nothing unusual, but vape critic's review amped up the buzz big-time. there are a lot of us who'd love to see an all-convection, on-demand, no-stir vape - and if this is it, they'll have a hit (sic) on their hands. we all know that it'll take some time for all this to shake (sic) out: app issues, MP fit, charring. we're interested in hearing the experiences of a diverse group of 'real-world' users, from people willing to master (and tolerate) fussy vapes (e.g. FF2) to people who want a vape so easy to use that you can pass it around at parties with simple instructions.
thanks!
thanks!
muunch
hotboxing the cockpit
well the great news for everyone reading is that this concept already exists and is executed pretty flawlessly in another device already being sold...
having hurdles like this vape is having... like the experience @ChooChooCharlie had and posted... you cannot fake those pictutres... stirring with a loading system like this is absolutely ridiculous imo and those finding it revolutionary either are not considering the other options that exist or perhaps have some stockholm syndrome.
it would be one thing if the pushback was all from trolls and stuff with unsubstantiated claims... however the proof is in the unloaded vaporizer producing a stream of vapor...
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Baron23
Well-Known Member
Great post!!
To all - I would also like to recognize another issue that I think is valid and which has been brought up many times.
Look, Bud and I are personal friends so I do get a bit defensive on his behalf. But I have also told him that no matter how open and transparent he is, he has to choose: be a reviewer or work as a consultant for vape companies. Pick one. You can't be both the Umpire and the Manager.
I do think that he strives with all of his might to be honest, objective, critical where its needed, etc. But trying to play both sides of the street will give rise to valid criticism (or at least a LOT of criticism LOL).
I do not think this applies to his referral links, even though there may be at least the appearance of conflict. He does these reviews for a living, it takes up his whole work week, people perster him all of the time to do a vid review of this or that vape, and at the present there is no other way for a full time reviewer to make a living. Siskel and Ebert were paid by the networks they worked for (or at least they syndicated their show and were paid by the stations that ran it). No such situations exist presently for vape reviewers.
Cheers
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Summer
Long Island, NY
@Gibarian, did you use a black light or regular LED white light in your vid?
@ShayWhiteGrow, how about another clear, in-focus pic of the abv, as in your blurred pic the top abv does appear to be charred in the middle?
Thanks!
@ShayWhiteGrow, how about another clear, in-focus pic of the abv, as in your blurred pic the top abv does appear to be charred in the middle?
Thanks!
LabPong
Well-Known Member
All I can say....if you do not have this vape in your hands testing it....you have NO CLUE.... really it is hard to understand. It is like an android experience compared to the walled utopia garden of apple.
With Android...you got tons of tweaking possible with many defaults not set yet from manufacture..updates coming to fix both hardware and software here folks.
With Apple.....you got a Arizer or Mighty.....they have set ways and work the same for 99%.
That is the difference generally and you will see different opinions now because there are hardware setups and techniques that have a learning curve that are quite sensitive....but easy to control when you figure it out.
With Android...you got tons of tweaking possible with many defaults not set yet from manufacture..updates coming to fix both hardware and software here folks.
With Apple.....you got a Arizer or Mighty.....they have set ways and work the same for 99%.
That is the difference generally and you will see different opinions now because there are hardware setups and techniques that have a learning curve that are quite sensitive....but easy to control when you figure it out.
Mr. Gweilo 420
Dude
God how many rules were broken in that post?
Summer
Long Island, NY
Reference to God (or G-d) doesn't have a place in this discussion.
I'll tell you what....let's make peace. I'm going to back up now as I don't want to have interpersonal beefs with other respected and long time members on FC. I value my relationships on FC (good and bad haha) and really do want to contribute to the peace rather then the confrontations.
How's that? Peace unto you, brother.
Peace sounds like a great idea.
@Baron23 and @invertedisdead I hope you do both make peace so we can stop with the all the negativity that seriously harshes my buzz.
I'm sure I'm not the only one. If you feel the need to criticize each other, feel free to do so via PM, but let's keep the discussion here civil.I have not handed out any warning points yet, and I hope that I don't have to. But any more posts that even border on breaking our Be Nice rule will be met with a warning point, and possibly a temporary or permanent thread ban so please tread lightly.
Thank you.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
FlyingLow
Team NO SLEEP!
@VCBud also is Ghost seriously considering suing someone for releasing a video that shows offgassing...
I am going to go out on a limb and assume you are not an attorney.... but even if there was such a lawsuit, I am certain the Ghost team would not be so stupid as to respond to this question in any way on an open forum, especially before the suit is resolved.
