because its necessary to even start a civil suit over a vaporizer.... all of this wouldve been avoided if the company had not used vc to advertise their product, and instead used a couple of fc members to do so..
Discontinued Ghost MV1
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Wow the flavor on the first 2 amber settings is phenomenal!!
Vapenic
Gaseouser
Mmmkey, so hello again 
Certainly an interesting day this was. Thank God my shift is over and I can now chime in with some further feedback, particularly customer support and customer experience.
But before I get there, let me introduce myself in a more personal way as was originally desired for being able to express my opinion without getting harrassed.
I am your random guy, thrash metal fan, pretty old, pretty diabetic with a diagnosis of Irregular sleep–wake rhythm. Plus a fair tinnitus. Giving up smoking many years ago now, vaporizing became the thing for me and have had a desire for a perfect device for my everyday needs ever since. Participating in many forums I quickly realized major flaws during the baby-steps of vaporizers. My endless curiosity and thirst of understanding quickly led me to the conclusion, that actually not many people really cares about those particular aspects of vaporizers which I do. I have to admit that purity is priority for me. "Vaporizers Reviewed" videos were porn for me. I am working 6 days a week, 8 to 12 hours each, sadly not for long now. Therefore I am probably more cautious with my spendings, and maintain a tight budget for each one of my hobbies/habits. Straight to the point: after my many failed attempts for a reasonably priced, reliable vape, I decided to dedicate a FC profile, and a video channel for the sole purpose of having a loud voice, which can be heard so far as manufacturing standards.
To comply with forum rules I am trying to avoid statements at all costs, therefore I do not discuss material safety (anymore), I do not label flaws or features of devices though I do express my criticism censored, with the sole intention of being constructive.
Heres one statement though:
I am not associated with any vaporizer company, retailer, website, shop, blog whatever. I do have a personal YT channel where I publish ridiculous quality (trying to improve!) videos, I did also monetize them in hope of gazillions of Googlemoney, but my main goal was and is that I want a perfect electronic vaporizer! And I want it in this life, so I buy the promises, and unveil their breaks. Ghost MV1 was one of this great promise for me, and I do feel being let down.
So customer support following up my public observations of my purchase:
"We have also contacted legal to look into this and will be making a statement in due course.
In the event that someone has intentionally altered, interfered with or intentionally misused our product to damage our reputation, we will take the strongest possible course of action."
Thanks, I do feel threatened, even though damaging reputation is only possible, if you have one. At present, you are about to earn one for a vape just over a week old. Regardless how far a company can reach within personal data and privacy abuse, my true identity is probably already known to you. Even though you could have respond in a professional manner (like posting a Safety Data Sheet and/or Material Certificate of the "medical grade materials" used), or simply addressing at least some of the points I made, promising a solution - you choosed to accuse forgery, and promised retaliation.
Wow. Just wow.
However please let me remain supportive, and share my response for that:
I genuinely believe that I either received a bad unit, or there is an unnoticed/uninspected flaw in design. Until noone else is able to repeat my test result, I consider my case unique, though still a fault.
However, if you could offer help and cooperation at this point (instead of threat) I would have numerous suggestions of solutions.
You can probably tell by now that I quite have my mind into the subject.
Going forward with this "legal" threat-thing however will only possibly cause you more discomfort later,
if more people would happen to chime in with same observations.
To help with this test:
-Turn on a flashlight, preferably with a neutral white light, with a straight beam (not too spread. I used a headtorch with one big single LED)
-Remove crucible and heat exchanger. Press your front button 3 times repeatedly. Green LED comes on.
-Turn off light in your room, then hold the flashlight behind the vaporizer, shining upwards and forward, towards you about a 45° angle, so you lit the air above your vape. Remember to keep the source of light below your vision, in cover behind the vaporizer, so you don't go blind.
-Now press back button for heat, and watch.
Removing the crucible and the heat exchanger should not make any difference in the given physical properties and tolerances of materials used in air/vapor path. Leaving them in though would obviously obstruct the off-gas and prevent to fly up on its own, though would still be there, but not observable.
In fact, with the crucible in there is way more heat trapped between coil and bottom of crucible, as during heat-up (flashing green LEDs): there is no inhale - no airflow either.
Describing the airpath (where air comes in) and vaporpath (where vapor exit) it was mentioned only safe materials. Closer look and better understanding of things in here:
So please just stick to science and facts. I have no intention to slander or damage your business by any means: a few exchanged faulty unit is still more affordable, than going to court with each complaining customer
But again, I genuinely believe that I either received a bad unit, or there is an unnoticed/uninspected flaw in design. Until noone else is able to repeat my test result, I consider my case unique, though still a fault.
After recent experience I am not entirely sure though if I dare to contact you. I am glad though I choose a public platform for a discussion, should be way more definitive. FC is a serious base of collective knowledge and world's finest bunch of vapers
My words on the accuse:
Please take another look of my video and think. (and click the adverts if any, I need more Googlemoney!!)
As you see, it is a continous 1:50 footage, uncut. You see and hear the device heating up, reaching temp, than glowing, twice in two minutes.
Than gassing off after each glow, clearly visible in the dark room, with a beam of white LED light shining over the opening of device.
If accusing, please be more specific on "how" I could have forge such results?
"1 small piece of something, tobacco, hair, etc " is quoted from the relevant forum, and I wonder, wouldn't any of that flare up? Wouldn't it leave ash, residues behind, charred marks maybe? Oil, wax, plastics all with a lower ignition point than the glowing coils temp? What could one possibly
use to still produce fumes after 2 minutes of glowing and high heat? If anything would burn there the smoke would be uneven, lot and dense first, then significantly less and less. What I see is thin, but constant, even fume.
Keep in mind:
I have never used the unit with any material. Still in factory condition, both crucible is immaculate, so as the ceramic parts (there are two, one around the coil, and one inside the removable heat exchanger) are spotless white. Heated some 20-odd times now, still produces offgas. If still insisted that I am fakeing this, I am happy to follow anyones instruction how to test again on video to prove my truth.
Peace,
Gibs
Certainly an interesting day this was. Thank God my shift is over and I can now chime in with some further feedback, particularly customer support and customer experience.
But before I get there, let me introduce myself in a more personal way as was originally desired for being able to express my opinion without getting harrassed.
I am your random guy, thrash metal fan, pretty old, pretty diabetic with a diagnosis of Irregular sleep–wake rhythm. Plus a fair tinnitus. Giving up smoking many years ago now, vaporizing became the thing for me and have had a desire for a perfect device for my everyday needs ever since. Participating in many forums I quickly realized major flaws during the baby-steps of vaporizers. My endless curiosity and thirst of understanding quickly led me to the conclusion, that actually not many people really cares about those particular aspects of vaporizers which I do. I have to admit that purity is priority for me. "Vaporizers Reviewed" videos were porn for me. I am working 6 days a week, 8 to 12 hours each, sadly not for long now. Therefore I am probably more cautious with my spendings, and maintain a tight budget for each one of my hobbies/habits. Straight to the point: after my many failed attempts for a reasonably priced, reliable vape, I decided to dedicate a FC profile, and a video channel for the sole purpose of having a loud voice, which can be heard so far as manufacturing standards.
To comply with forum rules I am trying to avoid statements at all costs, therefore I do not discuss material safety (anymore), I do not label flaws or features of devices though I do express my criticism censored, with the sole intention of being constructive.
Heres one statement though:
I am not associated with any vaporizer company, retailer, website, shop, blog whatever. I do have a personal YT channel where I publish ridiculous quality (trying to improve!) videos, I did also monetize them in hope of gazillions of Googlemoney, but my main goal was and is that I want a perfect electronic vaporizer! And I want it in this life, so I buy the promises, and unveil their breaks. Ghost MV1 was one of this great promise for me, and I do feel being let down.
So customer support following up my public observations of my purchase:
"We have also contacted legal to look into this and will be making a statement in due course.
In the event that someone has intentionally altered, interfered with or intentionally misused our product to damage our reputation, we will take the strongest possible course of action."
Thanks, I do feel threatened, even though damaging reputation is only possible, if you have one. At present, you are about to earn one for a vape just over a week old. Regardless how far a company can reach within personal data and privacy abuse, my true identity is probably already known to you. Even though you could have respond in a professional manner (like posting a Safety Data Sheet and/or Material Certificate of the "medical grade materials" used), or simply addressing at least some of the points I made, promising a solution - you choosed to accuse forgery, and promised retaliation.
Wow. Just wow.
However please let me remain supportive, and share my response for that:
I genuinely believe that I either received a bad unit, or there is an unnoticed/uninspected flaw in design. Until noone else is able to repeat my test result, I consider my case unique, though still a fault.
However, if you could offer help and cooperation at this point (instead of threat) I would have numerous suggestions of solutions.
You can probably tell by now that I quite have my mind into the subject.
Going forward with this "legal" threat-thing however will only possibly cause you more discomfort later,
if more people would happen to chime in with same observations.
To help with this test:
-Turn on a flashlight, preferably with a neutral white light, with a straight beam (not too spread. I used a headtorch with one big single LED)
-Remove crucible and heat exchanger. Press your front button 3 times repeatedly. Green LED comes on.
-Turn off light in your room, then hold the flashlight behind the vaporizer, shining upwards and forward, towards you about a 45° angle, so you lit the air above your vape. Remember to keep the source of light below your vision, in cover behind the vaporizer, so you don't go blind.
-Now press back button for heat, and watch.
Removing the crucible and the heat exchanger should not make any difference in the given physical properties and tolerances of materials used in air/vapor path. Leaving them in though would obviously obstruct the off-gas and prevent to fly up on its own, though would still be there, but not observable.
In fact, with the crucible in there is way more heat trapped between coil and bottom of crucible, as during heat-up (flashing green LEDs): there is no inhale - no airflow either.
Describing the airpath (where air comes in) and vaporpath (where vapor exit) it was mentioned only safe materials. Closer look and better understanding of things in here:
So please just stick to science and facts. I have no intention to slander or damage your business by any means: a few exchanged faulty unit is still more affordable, than going to court with each complaining customer
But again, I genuinely believe that I either received a bad unit, or there is an unnoticed/uninspected flaw in design. Until noone else is able to repeat my test result, I consider my case unique, though still a fault.
After recent experience I am not entirely sure though if I dare to contact you. I am glad though I choose a public platform for a discussion, should be way more definitive. FC is a serious base of collective knowledge and world's finest bunch of vapers
My words on the accuse:
Please take another look of my video and think. (and click the adverts if any, I need more Googlemoney!!)
As you see, it is a continous 1:50 footage, uncut. You see and hear the device heating up, reaching temp, than glowing, twice in two minutes.
Than gassing off after each glow, clearly visible in the dark room, with a beam of white LED light shining over the opening of device.
If accusing, please be more specific on "how" I could have forge such results?
"1 small piece of something, tobacco, hair, etc " is quoted from the relevant forum, and I wonder, wouldn't any of that flare up? Wouldn't it leave ash, residues behind, charred marks maybe? Oil, wax, plastics all with a lower ignition point than the glowing coils temp? What could one possibly
use to still produce fumes after 2 minutes of glowing and high heat? If anything would burn there the smoke would be uneven, lot and dense first, then significantly less and less. What I see is thin, but constant, even fume.
Keep in mind:
I have never used the unit with any material. Still in factory condition, both crucible is immaculate, so as the ceramic parts (there are two, one around the coil, and one inside the removable heat exchanger) are spotless white. Heated some 20-odd times now, still produces offgas. If still insisted that I am fakeing this, I am happy to follow anyones instruction how to test again on video to prove my truth.
Peace,
Gibs
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Be cool if Ghost exchanged your MV1 and took it apart so we all could know whats going on.Mmmkey, so hello again
Certainly an interesting day this was. Thank God my shift is over and I can now chime in with some further feedback, particularly customer support and customer experience.
But before I get there, let me introduce myself in a more personal way as was originally desired for being able to express my opinion without getting harrassed.
I am your random guy, thrash metal fan, pretty old, pretty diabetic with a diagnosis of Irregular sleep–wake rhythm. Plus a fair tinnitus. Giving up smoking many years ago now, vaporizing became the thing for me and have had a desire for a perfect device for my everyday needs ever since. Participating in many forums I quickly realized major flaws during the baby-steps of vaporizers. My endless curiosity and thirst of understanding quickly led me to the conclusion, that actually not many people really cares about those particular aspects of vaporizers which I do. I have to admit that purity is priority for me. "Vaporizers Reviewed" videos were porn for me. I am working 6 days a week, 8 to 12 hours each, sadly not for long now. Therefore I am probably more cautious with my spendings, and maintain a tight budget for each one of my hobbies/habits. Straight to the point: after my many failed attempts for a reasonably priced, reliable vape, I decided to dedicate a FC profile, and a video channel for the sole purpose of having a loud voice, which can be heard so far as manufacturing standards.
To comply with forum rules I am trying to avoid statements at all costs, therefore I do not discuss material safety (anymore), I do not label flaws or features of devices though I do express my criticism censored, with the sole intention of being constructive.
Heres one statement though:
I am not associated with any vaporizer company, retailer, website, shop, blog whatever. I do have a personal YT channel where I publish ridiculous quality (trying to improve!) videos, I did also monetize them in hope of gazillions of Googlemoney, but my main goal was and is that I want a perfect electronic vaporizer! And I want it in this life, so I buy the promises, and unveil their breaks. Ghost MV1 was one of this great promise for me, and I do feel being let down.
So customer support following up my public observations of my purchase:
"We have also contacted legal to look into this and will be making a statement in due course.
In the event that someone has intentionally altered, interfered with or intentionally misused our product to damage our reputation, we will take the strongest possible course of action."
Thanks, I do feel threatened. Regardless how far a company can reach within personal data and privacy abuse, my true identity is probably already known to you. Even though you could have respond in a professional manner (like posting a Safety Data Sheet and/or Material Certificate of the "medical grade materials" used), or simply addressing at least some of the points I made, promising a solution - you choosed to accuse forgery, and promised retaliation.
Wow. Just wow.
However please let me remain supportive, and share my response for that:
I genuinely believe that I either received a bad unit, or there is an unnoticed/uninspected flaw in design. Until noone else is able to repeat my test result, I consider my case unique, though still a fault.
However, if you could offer help and cooperation at this point (instead of threat) I would have numerous suggestions of solutions.
You can probably tell by now that I quite have my mind into the subject.
Going forward with this "legal" threat-thing however will only possibly cause you more discomfort later,
if more people would happen to chime in with same observations.
To help with this test:
-Turn on a flashlight, preferably with a neutral white light, with a straight beam (not too spread. I used a headtorch with one big single LED)
-Remove crucible and heat exchanger. Press your front button 3 times repeatedly. Green LED comes on.
-Turn off light in your room, then hold the flashlight behind the vaporizer, shining upwards and forward, towards you about a 45° angle, so you lit the air above your vape. Remember to keep the source of light below your vision, in cover behind the vaporizer, so you don't go blind.
Removing the crucible and the heat exchanger should not make any difference in the given physical properties and tolerances of materials used in air/vapor path. Leaving them in though would obviously obstruct the off-gas and prevent to fly up on its own, though would still be there, but not observable.
In fact, with the crucible in there is way more heat trapped between coil and bottom of crucible, as during heat-up (flashing green LEDs): there is no inhale - no airflow either.
Describing the airpath (where air comes in) and vaporpath (where vapor exit) it was mentioned only safe materials. Closer look and better understanding of things in here:
So please just stick to science and facts. I have no intention to slander or damage your business by any means: a few exchanged faulty unit is still more affordable, than going to court with each complaining customer
But again, I genuinely believe that I either received a bad unit, or there is an unnoticed/uninspected flaw in design. Until noone else is able to repeat my test result, I consider my case unique, though still a fault.
After recent experience I am not entirely sure though if I dare to contact you. I am glad though I choose a public platform for a discussion, should be way more definitive. FC is a serious base of collective knowledge and world's finest bunch of vapers
My words on the accuse:
Please take another look of my video and think. (and click the adverts if any, I need more Googlemoney!!)
As you see, it is a continous 1:50 footage, uncut. You see and hear the device heating up, reaching temp, than glowing, twice in two minutes.
Than gassing off after each glow, clearly visible in the dark room, with a beam of white LED light shining over the opening of device.
If accusing, please be more specific on "how" I could have forge such results?
"1 small piece of something, tobacco, hair, etc " is quoted from the relevant forum, and I wonder, wouldn't any of that flare up? Wouldn't it leave ash, residues behind, charred marks maybe? Oil, wax, plastics all with a lower ignition point than the glowing coils temp? What could one possibly
use to still produce fumes after 2 minutes of glowing and high heat? If anything would burn there the smoke would be uneven, lot and dense first, then significantly less and less. What I see is thin, but constant, even fume.
Keep in mind:
I have never used the unit with any material. Still in factory condition, both crucible is immaculate, so as the ceramic parts (there are two, one around the coil, and one inside the removable heat exchanger) are spotless white. Heated some 20-odd times now, still produces offgas. If still insisted that I am fakeing this, I am happy to follow anyones instruction how to test again on video to prove my truth.
Peace,
Gibs
Andreaerdna
If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
Summer
Long Island, NY
@Andreaerdna, as I don't think you meant "peculiar" of men, I just googled both Andrea & Andros & got "manly, man & warrior." And it has the same meaning in Italian as in Greek. Everyone has to know Andrea Bocelli.
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
...i'm going to watch this unfold for a bit....though it really does have me intrigued...especially seeing @ShayWhiteGrow videos!
IMO that is untrue...consultiing to make a product better (even paid) is a job better done by someone who is critical of products that relate to the item being consulted on.
being a critic isn't easy though, especially in a world where all of our needs are individualized.
being critical of a product (especially one you have a stake in) in the same light, your critical of everything else with is seen as a plus
and though it might initially seem like shilling, time and real world experience will tell the lasting impact more than anything.
I hope the MV1 is as awesome as I was lead to believe it would be.
but high expectations do lead to a higher degree of criticallness...so maybe I should expect nothing?
Just did a quick test and my unit gave no sign of "gassing"
I have never experienced anything close to gassing before, just to confirm, visible vapor is seen with no material inside? So what is being vaporized, the green silicone? Can that be hazardous to one's health?
I have never experienced anything close to gassing before, just to confirm, visible vapor is seen with no material inside? So what is being vaporized, the green silicone? Can that be hazardous to one's health?
vapen00b
Many vapes & accessories. Always happy to help
What would be interesting to know: have you used yours before doing the test?
I would assume to run the test and get fair results, you need a brand new, unused unit.
Guess it's very likely that those fumes have already been inhaled and mixed with regular vapor during usage.
Hopefully people are smart enough to do the test prior to actually using it... Makes my whole body contract when thinking about inhaling those fumes. Play it safe and do initial burn offs until no more visible fumes escape...Capture videos to help everyone, if you can.
Is there no burn-off recommendation in the manual??? I'd always put that in... Or were there factory burn ins/offs?
Thanks @Gibarian for taking the bullet and trying to help address these things. I don't think you're on a crusade or anything. Touting is accepted, pointing out issues (which could save your health) not so much it seems...
Thanks for your job.
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I have used it about a dozen times before running that last test this morning. So "if" mine had any fumes, I most likely inhaled it without knowing. Can this cause any issues?What would interesting to know: have you used yours before doing the test?
I would assume to run the test and get fair results, you need a brand new, unused unit.
Hopefully people are smart enough to do it... Makes my whole body contract to think about inhaling those fumes. Play it safe and do initial burn offs until no more visible fumes escape...Capture videos to help everyone, if you can.
Is there no burn-off recommendation in the manual??? I'd always put that in... Or were there factory burn ins/offs?
Thanks @Gibarian for taking the bullet and trying to help address these things. I don't think you're on a crusade or anything. Touting is accepted, pointing out issues (which could save your health) not so much it seems...
Thanks for your job.
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
I doubt your limited window of inhalation would cause any lasting physical damage...if you did have any off gassing.
Hopefully not, I've done that with my solo and cloud Evo, but did not do it with this. Come to think of it, when I first turned it on, I did just observe the glowing orange cool but not for too long and I don't think I saw any gas, but I wasn't looking for it either
LabPong
Well-Known Member
For me...the first firing up of my MV1 showed about the same thing that my A-Air did.....there was some minor "manufacturing/new parts" things burning/smelling off with 3-4 burn ins. I did not think to use a dark background with the vape in a light source to see any visible elements.
So understand what is going on here.....he did a pre-run burn-in while the vape was under a bright light with a non-lit background to accentuate the visible elements of the burn in. You would not see this in normal room or outdoor settings most likely.
I did have problems with the new raw silicone parts needed a air out....and after leaving the vape open over night with cool air coming in.....most all that smell of the silicone was gone. Then I cleaned as much as possible with ISO and water rinsing. I have highly sensitive to smell and tastes.....and this vape is no different in that I needed to clean and pre-burn it like anything else I use that goes into my body from an electrical heating element.....even a coffee maker or toaster.
Now...I can not say that I did or did not have the same exact scenario that Gibarian had.
So understand what is going on here.....he did a pre-run burn-in while the vape was under a bright light with a non-lit background to accentuate the visible elements of the burn in. You would not see this in normal room or outdoor settings most likely.
I did have problems with the new raw silicone parts needed a air out....and after leaving the vape open over night with cool air coming in.....most all that smell of the silicone was gone. Then I cleaned as much as possible with ISO and water rinsing. I have highly sensitive to smell and tastes.....and this vape is no different in that I needed to clean and pre-burn it like anything else I use that goes into my body from an electrical heating element.....even a coffee maker or toaster.
Now...I can not say that I did or did not have the same exact scenario that Gibarian had.
b0
Cloudy...
IMHO that this company is thinking about suing a normal user pointing a posible kind of problem with an unit instead of directly trying to ask him for his unit back to check what's going on and send him a new one to make him happy after spending his hard earned money, seems bad enough to not want any busines with them. Hope they rethink what they're doing because from my point of view this isn't acceptable at all.
I'm still interested in the vape and followint this topic. So far the ABV pics I have seen from units working "properly" seems pretty even and looks promising. Will keep following this thread and I think it would be interesting that maybe @VCBud explained the company that @Gibarian is just a simple buyer that found problems with his unit and posted them, not someone trying to destroy his reputation.... That makes no sense
I'm still interested in the vape and followint this topic. So far the ABV pics I have seen from units working "properly" seems pretty even and looks promising. Will keep following this thread and I think it would be interesting that maybe @VCBud explained the company that @Gibarian is just a simple buyer that found problems with his unit and posted them, not someone trying to destroy his reputation.... That makes no sense
Vapetrees
Vaped Out
Hey don't want to stir the pot, but if you zoom into the heater I can see some lint in there on the bottom right of the oven in the last picture.Mmmkey, so hello again
Certainly an interesting day this was. Thank God my shift is over and I can now chime in with some further feedback, particularly customer support and customer experience.
But before I get there, let me introduce myself in a more personal way as was originally desired for being able to express my opinion without getting harrassed.
I am your random guy, thrash metal fan, pretty old, pretty diabetic with a diagnosis of Irregular sleep–wake rhythm. Plus a fair tinnitus. Giving up smoking many years ago now, vaporizing became the thing for me and have had a desire for a perfect device for my everyday needs ever since. Participating in many forums I quickly realized major flaws during the baby-steps of vaporizers. My endless curiosity and thirst of understanding quickly led me to the conclusion, that actually not many people really cares about those particular aspects of vaporizers which I do. I have to admit that purity is priority for me. "Vaporizers Reviewed" videos were porn for me. I am working 6 days a week, 8 to 12 hours each, sadly not for long now. Therefore I am probably more cautious with my spendings, and maintain a tight budget for each one of my hobbies/habits. Straight to the point: after my many failed attempts for a reasonably priced, reliable vape, I decided to dedicate a FC profile, and a video channel for the sole purpose of having a loud voice, which can be heard so far as manufacturing standards.
To comply with forum rules I am trying to avoid statements at all costs, therefore I do not discuss material safety (anymore), I do not label flaws or features of devices though I do express my criticism censored, with the sole intention of being constructive.
Heres one statement though:
I am not associated with any vaporizer company, retailer, website, shop, blog whatever. I do have a personal YT channel where I publish ridiculous quality (trying to improve!) videos, I did also monetize them in hope of gazillions of Googlemoney, but my main goal was and is that I want a perfect electronic vaporizer! And I want it in this life, so I buy the promises, and unveil their breaks. Ghost MV1 was one of this great promise for me, and I do feel being let down.
So customer support following up my public observations of my purchase:
"We have also contacted legal to look into this and will be making a statement in due course.
In the event that someone has intentionally altered, interfered with or intentionally misused our product to damage our reputation, we will take the strongest possible course of action."
Thanks, I do feel threatened, even though damaging reputation is only possible, if you have one. At present, you are about to earn one for a vape just over a week old. Regardless how far a company can reach within personal data and privacy abuse, my true identity is probably already known to you. Even though you could have respond in a professional manner (like posting a Safety Data Sheet and/or Material Certificate of the "medical grade materials" used), or simply addressing at least some of the points I made, promising a solution - you choosed to accuse forgery, and promised retaliation.
Wow. Just wow.
However please let me remain supportive, and share my response for that:
I genuinely believe that I either received a bad unit, or there is an unnoticed/uninspected flaw in design. Until noone else is able to repeat my test result, I consider my case unique, though still a fault.
However, if you could offer help and cooperation at this point (instead of threat) I would have numerous suggestions of solutions.
You can probably tell by now that I quite have my mind into the subject.
Going forward with this "legal" threat-thing however will only possibly cause you more discomfort later,
if more people would happen to chime in with same observations.
To help with this test:
-Turn on a flashlight, preferably with a neutral white light, with a straight beam (not too spread. I used a headtorch with one big single LED)
-Remove crucible and heat exchanger. Press your front button 3 times repeatedly. Green LED comes on.
-Turn off light in your room, then hold the flashlight behind the vaporizer, shining upwards and forward, towards you about a 45° angle, so you lit the air above your vape. Remember to keep the source of light below your vision, in cover behind the vaporizer, so you don't go blind.
-Now press back button for heat, and watch.
Removing the crucible and the heat exchanger should not make any difference in the given physical properties and tolerances of materials used in air/vapor path. Leaving them in though would obviously obstruct the off-gas and prevent to fly up on its own, though would still be there, but not observable.
In fact, with the crucible in there is way more heat trapped between coil and bottom of crucible, as during heat-up (flashing green LEDs): there is no inhale - no airflow either.
Describing the airpath (where air comes in) and vaporpath (where vapor exit) it was mentioned only safe materials. Closer look and better understanding of things in here:
So please just stick to science and facts. I have no intention to slander or damage your business by any means: a few exchanged faulty unit is still more affordable, than going to court with each complaining customer
But again, I genuinely believe that I either received a bad unit, or there is an unnoticed/uninspected flaw in design. Until noone else is able to repeat my test result, I consider my case unique, though still a fault.
After recent experience I am not entirely sure though if I dare to contact you. I am glad though I choose a public platform for a discussion, should be way more definitive. FC is a serious base of collective knowledge and world's finest bunch of vapers
My words on the accuse:
Please take another look of my video and think. (and click the adverts if any, I need more Googlemoney!!)
As you see, it is a continous 1:50 footage, uncut. You see and hear the device heating up, reaching temp, than glowing, twice in two minutes.
Than gassing off after each glow, clearly visible in the dark room, with a beam of white LED light shining over the opening of device.
If accusing, please be more specific on "how" I could have forge such results?
"1 small piece of something, tobacco, hair, etc " is quoted from the relevant forum, and I wonder, wouldn't any of that flare up? Wouldn't it leave ash, residues behind, charred marks maybe? Oil, wax, plastics all with a lower ignition point than the glowing coils temp? What could one possibly
use to still produce fumes after 2 minutes of glowing and high heat? If anything would burn there the smoke would be uneven, lot and dense first, then significantly less and less. What I see is thin, but constant, even fume.
Keep in mind:
I have never used the unit with any material. Still in factory condition, both crucible is immaculate, so as the ceramic parts (there are two, one around the coil, and one inside the removable heat exchanger) are spotless white. Heated some 20-odd times now, still produces offgas. If still insisted that I am fakeing this, I am happy to follow anyones instruction how to test again on video to prove my truth.
Peace,
Gibs
@b0 I agree with you. Shoot first ask questions later?
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Mr. Me2
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I was SO tempted to post that!
The vape definitely should not be charring or combusting your herb. I would never in a million years approve of a vape that did that, and I want to get this fixed up ASAP for anybody having this issue.
My guess is some units out there are either simply running hot or the heating algorithms aren't working properly, but either way it seems more likely than not that this is just a software issue that will be corrected when the app is available. Somehow when this initial batch of units were unlocked some of them got affected and are acting strange.
After messaging with a bunch of you guys it does seem like most of you are doing everything right and loading the crucible correctly. There have been many cases of people getting much better results after playing around with it a bit, but some people are still having trouble.
If you have already done your playing around and your unit still seems like it's overheating please contact me asap so I can help arrange an exchange for you (if you don't want to wait for the app).
Regarding the vapor path:
This is tricky with the wording because it's different than other vapes, I'm calling the silicone in this vape "adjacent" to the vapor path.
In some vapes like the PAX and IQ there is silicone actually in the direct path of vapor, so when you draw the hot vapor hits it head on. As an aside note, I don't personally think there's anything wrong with using medical grade silicone in a vape and I never considered it a negative.
With this vape the silicone is there to keep an airtight seal, but it's not necessarily what I would consider "in the vapor path", it's next to it. When you draw the hot vapor comes up through the crucible and gets sucked directly into the bottom holes of the heat sink, it doesn't directly hit the silicone.
What's tricky about this is that if we consider something like this to be "in the vapor path" then it kinda opens up a can of worms - are the silicone o-rings used in some vapes also in the vapor path? I never thought so, but if I change my way of thinking they could be.
Either way I guess this is a separate debate to have, but this is the way I'm looking at things with this unit:
My guess is some units out there are either simply running hot or the heating algorithms aren't working properly, but either way it seems more likely than not that this is just a software issue that will be corrected when the app is available. Somehow when this initial batch of units were unlocked some of them got affected and are acting strange.
After messaging with a bunch of you guys it does seem like most of you are doing everything right and loading the crucible correctly. There have been many cases of people getting much better results after playing around with it a bit, but some people are still having trouble.
If you have already done your playing around and your unit still seems like it's overheating please contact me asap so I can help arrange an exchange for you (if you don't want to wait for the app).
Regarding the vapor path:
This is tricky with the wording because it's different than other vapes, I'm calling the silicone in this vape "adjacent" to the vapor path.
In some vapes like the PAX and IQ there is silicone actually in the direct path of vapor, so when you draw the hot vapor hits it head on. As an aside note, I don't personally think there's anything wrong with using medical grade silicone in a vape and I never considered it a negative.
With this vape the silicone is there to keep an airtight seal, but it's not necessarily what I would consider "in the vapor path", it's next to it. When you draw the hot vapor comes up through the crucible and gets sucked directly into the bottom holes of the heat sink, it doesn't directly hit the silicone.
What's tricky about this is that if we consider something like this to be "in the vapor path" then it kinda opens up a can of worms - are the silicone o-rings used in some vapes also in the vapor path? I never thought so, but if I change my way of thinking they could be.
Either way I guess this is a separate debate to have, but this is the way I'm looking at things with this unit:
LabPong
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So....you have brought how many products market? = chill
Danksta
Well-Known Member
Translation?