Fluxer Heaters, induction heaters for Dynavap

Jayar

Member
The deluxe is as far as I know the most compact IH out there. It's going to be tough getting it any smaller, the bulk of it is the 3x18650s, a model with a small rc lipo battery would be the only way to reduce size ofcourse at the cost of battery life.

The larger mother fluxer wouldnt be of much interest to myself personally without wider temp control options or plug and play coil sizes (if at all possible). I have found that with the 16mm coil I have to heat a couple of seconds after the click for my desired hits but on the other hand it is great for the dip and sip method. Being able to switch between the 16mm and 14mm coil would be perfection.
 
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YaMon

Vaping since 2010
I can probably sneak a simple jumper or DIP switch onto the board for disabling the green LED, for example, more easily than a different or additional external switch. But I'll look into each of your requests for the future
Perhaps mounting the LED inboard so the light bleeds out the IH hole also illuminating the hole as others IH makers have done? I just turn the LED so it points away from me, but then it’s a longer reach to use the FD.
 

ClearBlueLou

unbearably light in the being....
The board software will let you post a poll, but only when starting a new thread, it seems. There may be provision for the thread starter to *add* a poll *to* an existing thread, but I don’t know about that.

Since the subject of size has come up, and the idea of scrapping the MF, I gotta speak up.

I think the Deluxe is a brilliant bit o’ kit, I’ve greatly enjoyed the many fine illustrations, the thorough and patient narration of the process, the development of the design. I hope it’s tremendously successful, as it really seems perfect bullseye.

OTOH I find myself *not* interested in a portable IH solution. Semi-portable is really what I’m after. If I can move it from place to place on the table without it hurting my thumbs, that sounds fine to me. I have a mobile solution that doesn’t require IH, as I find the vapcap to be excessively fiddly when I try to use it on the go, in ways that a different heat source won’t really change at all. I prefer my vapcap when I’m sitting reading, or listening to music, or both, and I can take my time, so chairside/tableside/move-to-the-TV-room-side is the choice for me.

The Mother Fluxer sounds perfect to me, I hope you teach it all your cool tricks, and I hope to have one (I even like the pic you shared of the original).

With what I have learned about the 14 vs 16 coil tubes from you, I find myself wondering what it would take to put one of each diameter on the MF. A can of worms, I imagine, but it sounds luxurious to me, I can easily imagine liking both a lot and wanting both available I’d rather have both coil sizes than have interior space taken up by *storage*. It would be great in social situations, too, to have a second coil available.
 
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Tupak420

Well-Known Member
No on the slow roast, but yes, I think many experienced users will prefer the hotter, more efficient hits of the 14mm coil. Not all of you, but definitely some of you. ;)

:(. I was initially hoping for that, but not a deal breaker for me to stay committed to the 14mm.

I'm actually beginning to love this project more and more. I have a PSM on the way and even without the slow roast appeal of the 14mm, this gives me another option as I believe I would prefer the hotter/faster hits.

So for now, the range of control is less than one might like, but it's safe, and it's what's currently available.

Definitely the right mindset to have in these situations and love that safety and longevity are top concerns.

Question: Regarding the safety switch, is it possible to keep the switch "AS IS" in its current form with the addition of creating an opening in the housing above to that you can access the switch with a pen or better yet, the skinny part of the Dynavap Cap.

It's good to have choices. I was hoping the temp control feature was going to allow the Deluxe users to have a "slow roast" experience, but I can see that this feature isn't capable of providing that. I'll continue to keep my eyes open for other ways to offer that.

This other thing, though, is definitely it's own thing. Hopefully I can get some units into other people's hands soon to evaluate so we can hear some impressions from other Flux Deluxe users. [updated for clarity]

Faster heat times may also be an advantage while on the go. I wonder if this makes the "dip and sip" easier.

Question: During your own testing, are you using the SS tips or the Ti Tips? I only have Ti Tips so i'm assuming.

Advice (since everyone else is chiming in :D):

Given the limitations you have with the temp control, you should probably have this as a distinguishing feature for the Mother Fluxer. I also don't think the Mother Fluxer should be designed with Space Saving in mind since that is what the Deluxe is for. A feature rich device that is meant to run off of A/C power with battery capabilities would be ideal.)

/rant
 

Moses Baca

Colorado State Reformatory #8755
Well, after sleeping on it and giving it lots of thought while shoveling my driveway (twice) sign me up for the 14 mm. This will be my first IH so I'm sure I'll get used to whatever I get and I like my VC hits on the hotter side anyway. A closer fit just makes sense logically, too, that it'll be more efficient. I like stuff that makes sense.

Your enthusiasm for the smaller size didn't hurt, either. Thanks again. :tup:
 

slozukimc

Well-Known Member
I just got my hands on a Fluxer Deluxe and I like this little powerhouse a lot. It’s plenty small enough to carry around and it’s not obvious that it’s anything weed related. That’s awesome.

Function is mind blowing seeing I have never had the luxury of an IH. Heating the Dynavap is dead simple now. No worry about holding the torch in the right place or spinning anything. You don’t even have to look after you get it in the hole.

I have a setup I made to put a Dynavap tip on top of my Orbiter so I find holding the FD over the tip and pressing down until the cap clicks while drawing and then watching for the vapor to fade some and give it 3 second pulses of power each time it does makes some absolutely enormous rips out of a tiny bit of herb.

The magnet on the corner by the hole is good and bad. Lol. Until you get used to it there is a chance the sneaky little bugger will Rob your cap right off the end of your Dynavap and let your herb fall in the hole. Once you figure that out it’s quite handy to use for taking the cap on and off while it is still hot.

I am impressed and would recommend one to anyone looking for a desktop or portable unit as it does both very well.

A question for @mr_cfromcali

Is there any harm in using the FD while it is plugged in?
 

pxl_jockey

Just a dude
IME, dip & sip was easier/more satisfying with the 2 SS tips (2017 & 18 models) I have. I found using the Ti tips (4 different generations) yielded more cycles per full tip, more hits per cap. Even with a full cap, I didn’t notice any uneven roasting to speak of, but I do try to leave my material fairly loose-ish in the cap.

About my batteries’ longevity, I started the testing process with new ones and would usually leave it on during a session, so at least 2-4 caps, 3-6 times a day. I’d usually get 7 days before time to click took noticeably longer, sometimes even longer if I didn’t partake enough that week, lol! While I was/am pretty happy with it, I didn’t think it was really exceptional or crazy considering the Fluxer’s only on for a few cycles lasting a few seconds, executed multiple times over a few minutes.* So I thought it was great, but then my only previous experience has been mainly with various RC/drone-type batteries.

*except one time, I had tested too diligently for too long and forgot to turn it off. I awoke 30-45 minutes later in a panic, like my subconscious had worked out my stoned mistake. Everything was cool but I still feel like I let them get way too discharged because the next charge took what seemed twice as long. Oh well, not ideal - I’m still getting the same performance. How long does it generally take for 18650s to begin to noticeably lose capacity? Many advance thanks to those who know these things!
 

mr_cfromcali

Accessory Maker
Accessory Maker
I am not able to thread-sit today, but I have a few minutes now to respond, and there are a ton of questions/comments, so I'll address what I can. Sorry if my replies short change anyone.

If you do decide to post a poll @mr_cfromcali can you include a 'smallest possible iduction heater' as one of the options please?
I ask as I'd love a tiny IH for extreme portability.
I know there are technical obstacles which may prevent anything smaller than the Flux Deluxe but if it can be done I'd be very keen.
Even if it needed to be charged daily.
It'd be interesting to see what proportion of respondents would also want a tiny IH.

The FD is as smallest IH I can make it with 18650 batteries. A smaller IH requires a smaller power source, like the compact 12V drone batteries some have used.

I looked into this over the summer, as I was scoping out projects and trying to decide what I felt I was capable of making. I don't mind revisiting this topic now that I have a better sense of both these devices and my own capabilities now. For the overall size and performance, though, I'm not sure I can do any better than the FD. :shrug:

What about a recessed hole where you place the vapcap deeper into the heater would that work? Forget it if I'm talking gibberish I'm very medicated and I'm not the most mechanically minded man.

??? Can't really go any deeper. I'm sure you had an idea in your head but I'm not sure I have anything useful to say in reply. Sorry.

The deluxe is as far as I know the most compact IH out there. It's going to be tough getting it any smaller, the bulk of it is the 3x18650s, a model with a small rc lipo battery would be the only way to reduce size ofcourse at the cost of battery life.

The larger mother fluxer wouldnt be of much interest to myself personally without wider temp control options or plug and play coil sizes (if at all possible). I have found that with the 16mm coil I have to heat a couple of seconds after the click for my desired hits but on the other hand it is great for the dip and sip method. Being able to switch between the 16mm and 14mm coil would be perfection.

Yeah, an ideal IH would be one with both coil sizes, or a heater with a 15m coil that achieved both the aggressiveness of the 14mm and the more relaxed, laid-back-but-still-effective 16mm coil. so yes, I agree, and it's on my radar.

Perhaps mounting the LED inboard so the light bleeds out the IH hole also illuminating the hole as others IH makers have done? I just turn the LED so it points away from me, but then it’s a longer reach to use the FD.

Thanks for the suggestion. I am looking into something like this for the future. I had some reasons for not adopting this initially, but I feel less strongly about those reasons now, so I am more open to this as a future possibility. Thanks!

Since the subject of size has come up, and the idea of scrapping the MF, I gotta speak up.

I think the Deluxe is a brilliant bit o’ kit, I’ve greatly enjoyed the many fine illustrations, the thorough and patient narration of the process, the development of the design. I hope it’s tremendously successful, as it really seems perfect bullseye.

OTOH I find myself *not* interested in a portable IH solution. Semi-portable is really what I’m after. If I can move it from place to place on the table without it hurting my thumbs, that sounds fine to me. I have a mobile solution that doesn’t require IH, as I find the vapcap to be excessively fiddly when I try to use it on the go, in ways that a different heat source won’t really change at all. I prefer my vapcap when I’m sitting reading, or listening to music, or both, and I can take my time, so chairside/tableside/move-to-the-TV-room-side is the choice for me.

The Mother Fluxer sounds perfect to me, I hope you teach it all your cool tricks, and I hope to have one (I even like the pic you shared of the original).

With what I have learned about the 14 vs 16 coil tubes from you, I find myself wondering what it would take to put one of each diameter on the MF. A can of worms, I imagine, but it sounds luxurious to me, I can easily imagine liking both a lot and wanting both available I’d rather have both coil sizes than have interior space
taken up by *storage*. It would be great in social situations, too, to have a second coil available.

Again, to echo my comment from earlier in this reply: I agree! The wheels in my head are turning the idea over, and I already have some ideas, so...yeah, it has genuine promise and I like it. Stay tuned. :brow:

:(. I was initially hoping for that, but not a deal breaker for me to stay committed to the 14mm.

Yeah, believe me, it sounded like an ideal setup to me as well. I tried it and it showed a lot of promise, but it only worked one time and almost boiled one of the power relay's MOSFETs in the process. I will continue to evaluate temp control circuits, as I'm sure there's a solution out there that's more capable and robust, but it may take me a while to find it and implement it. In the mean time, the 14mm coil does work quite well, but there's currently no good option for it to do its business more slowly.

Question: Regarding the safety switch, is it possible to keep the switch "AS IS" in its current form with the addition of creating an opening in the housing above to that you can access the switch with a pen or better yet, the skinny part of the Dynavap Cap.

Actually, I've ordered some other switches in the same switch family with longer actuators (aka, batons or bats). It is possible one of them may allow for very easy way to give users an external switch if they want one. I'll have more on this next week when the switches I ordered get here.

Question: During your own testing, are you using the SS tips or the Ti Tips?

Yes, I have an Ti Omni XLS and a 2018 M. There are subtle differences between them, and I alternate...usually choosing the one more recently cleaned, lol. :lol::

Given the limitations you have with the temp control, you should probably have this as a distinguishing feature for the Mother Fluxer. I also don't think the Mother Fluxer should be designed with Space Saving in mind since that is what the Deluxe is for. A feature rich device that is meant to run off of A/C power with battery capabilities would be ideal.)

I'll see what I can do.

Well, after sleeping on it and giving it lots of thought while shoveling my driveway (twice) sign me up for the 14 mm. This will be my first IH so I'm sure I'll get used to whatever I get and I like my VC hits on the hotter side anyway. A closer fit just makes sense logically, too, that it'll be more efficient. I like stuff that makes sense.

Your enthusiasm for the smaller size didn't hurt, either. Thanks again. :tup:

If you like it hot, go for a 14mm tip. If you prefer to take a lot of cool hits, stick with the 16mm.

I have some video I'll post later today that shows the differences in ABV after 4 heating cycles in each coil. It may help...or just make things more contentious. :D


Gotta run for now. More later.
 
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Copacetic

Somewhere North of The Wall
........
......... For the overall size and performance, though, I'm not sure I can do any better than the FD. :shrug:
I totally understand, expecting a single developer to carry out development better suited to a team (with a healthy budget) is somewhat unrealistic, I'm just curious what a poll would say (I imagine the desire for a tiny IH (with the compromises that would bring) would be a minority one anyway.

I do love the design of the FD, (and would certainly be on your list already if I didn't currently own a PS mini).

If my finances somehow recover to normal folk levels, then I'll get an FD anyway!.

I like the sound of the new narrower coils too :nod:
 

mr_cfromcali

Accessory Maker
Accessory Maker
Hi all,

Here's a quick video I threw together comparing the ABV from two identical sessions with the two coil sizes, 16mm coil vs 14mm. (Fun times, BTW!) Let me know if this is helpful.


I found a couple of US sources for the 14mm inserts I intend to use for the narrower coils, and have some coming to me ASAP. I had one firm send their via overnight, so if they are true to their word I may have some tomorrow. Otherwise, I have more coming via Priority Mail, so in either event, I am expecting to have these on hand by Saturday or Monday.

My inbox exploded in volume in the last day, so I'm sorry if you sent me an email and I have not responded yet. I'm getting to them as quickly as I can, lol.

I am behind in my goal of completing and shipping heaters from batch #2. Sorry. I hope to make some progress on that tonight.

:wave:

Cheers,
:leaf:
 

snamuh

ghost
Hi all,

Here's a quick video I threw together comparing the ABV from two identical sessions with the two coil sizes, 16mm coil vs 14mm. (Fun times, BTW!) Let me know if this is helpful.


I found a couple of US sources for the 14mm inserts I intend to use for the narrower coils, and have some coming to me ASAP. I had one firm send their via overnight, so if they are true to their word I may have some tomorrow. Otherwise, I have more coming via Priority Mail, so in either event, I am expecting to have these on hand by Saturday or Monday.

My inbox exploded in volume in the last day, so I'm sorry if you sent me an email and I have not responded yet. I'm getting to them as quickly as I can, lol.

I am behind in my goal of completing and shipping heaters from batch #2. Sorry. I hope to make some progress on that tonight.

:wave:

Cheers,
:leaf:
Very nice. Nice work! I like the look of the 14mm. Seems on par with the way I use my lighter.
 

ClearBlueLou

unbearably light in the being....
Jayar said:
The larger mother fluxer wouldnt be of much interest to myself personally without wider temp control options or plug and play coil sizes (if at all possible). I have found that with the 16mm coil I have to heat a couple of seconds after the click for my desired hits but on the other hand it is great for the dip and sip method. Being able to switch between the 16mm and 14mm coil would be perfection.
I didn’t read this carefully, or I would have quoted you in my comment to @mr_cfromcali .
Credit where it’s due!
 

Gray Area

Well-Known Member
Hmm. 14mm coil does sound interesting... but I dip and sip a lot. Maybe I'm better off with the 16mm and just leaving it a second or so past the click when needed :hmm:

Just realised yesterday that I can use my FD with headphones on (unlike a torch). Can feel the click quite easily with not having to keep the thing spinning :tup:
 

slozukimc

Well-Known Member
Hmm. 14mm coil does sound interesting... but I dip and sip a lot. Maybe I'm better off with the 16mm and just leaving it a second or so past the click when needed :hmm:

Just realised yesterday that I can use my FD with headphones on (unlike a torch). Can feel the click quite easily with not having to keep the thing spinning :tup:
What is dip and sip? I tried a search but it doesn’t like short words.....

Thanks!
 

Gray Area

Well-Known Member
What is dip and sip? I tried a search but it doesn’t like short words.....

Thanks!

It's where you heat the cap to the click, take a hit, then reheat the cap a little before is has time to cool (and click again). So essentially you're "dipping" your VC into the IH, "sipping" a little vapor, then dipping and repeating again. All without the cool down click.
Takes a little practice to get it just right, but when you do I find it's a really effective way to use your VC. And enjoyable too...

Have a look at some of the videos that @phattpiggie has posted, they usually show him using this method to hit the vapcap.
:D
 

slozukimc

Well-Known Member
It's where you heat the cap to the click, take a hit, then reheat the cap a little before is has time to cool (and click again). So essentially you're "dipping" your VC into the IH, "sipping" a little vapor, then dipping and repeating again. All without the cool down click.
Takes a little practice to get it just right, but when you do I find it's a really effective way to use your VC. And enjoyable too...

Have a look at some of the videos that @phattpiggie has posted, they usually show him using this method to hit the vapcap.
:D
Oh hell then. Lol. That’s what I do with my Orbiter. I can watch the vapor fade and give it a boost. I just started doing that because I am used to the large hits I get with my log. It seemed like the way to do it to me so I tried it out and holy shit can you get some seriously huge hits. I can clear a bowl in one pull and get darker ABV and a bigger hit than with the log.

Thanks!
 

Tupak420

Well-Known Member
@mr_cfromcali (I know your busy and just wanted to share these thoughts with the community. No need to reply to anything from this post)

The video totally confirm my decision to go to the 14mm. Looking at a lot of the responses, I think its being received quite well. (And we haven't even got it in our hands yet)

Also, looks like you may have stumbled upon an entire "Lifestyle" product lines for the Fluxers. :science:
  • Flux Deluxe 16mm
    • Ultra Compact
    • Richer Flavor Profile (Low and Slow like smoked BBQ)
    • Lighter ABV (Would also appeal to those who use repurpose their ABV.)
    • Nominal Temp Control ability
    • More user friendly (less likely to combust)
  • Flux Deluxe 14mm
    • Ultra Compact
    • Stronger Flavor profile (Stronger hits)
    • Decreased Heat Time compared to 16mm (Could appeal to those that would like to clear the bowl in less cycles)
    • Darker ABV
    • Nominal Temp Control ability
  • THE MOTHER FLUXER - (My Shameless Wish List)
    • Semi-Portable Design
    • 14mm and 16mm coils (Both can be used at the same time)
    • LCD Display
    • AC/DC (:rockon:) power options
    • Rechargeable batteries
    • Nominal Temperature Control

RANDOM IDEA for the The Mother Fluxer (Sorry I'm medicated): It could just be a Dock that can house both Flux devices with a larger power supply between the two. :drool::drool::drool::drool:
 

slozukimc

Well-Known Member
IME, dip & sip was easier/more satisfying with the 2 SS tips (2017 & 18 models) I have. I found using the Ti tips (4 different generations) yielded more cycles per full tip, more hits per cap. Even with a full cap, I didn’t notice any uneven roasting to speak of, but I do try to leave my material fairly loose-ish in the cap.

I didn’t know this is what I was doin is called. It works sweet. I agree that the stainless tip seems to hold the heat longer and clear the bowl with less cycles of the heater.



About my batteries’ longevity, I started the testing process with new ones and would usually leave it on during a session, so at least 2-4 caps, 3-6 times a day. I’d usually get 7 days before time to click took noticeably longer, sometimes even longer if I didn’t partake enough that week, lol! While I was/am pretty happy with it, I didn’t think it was really exceptional or crazy considering the Fluxer’s only on for a few cycles lasting a few seconds, executed multiple times over a few minutes.* So I thought it was great, but then my only previous experience has been mainly with various RC/drone-type batteries.

The batteries seem to be way more capacity than is really needed for a daily carry unit that could be charged once a day. I think 1200mah 18350’s would be enough capacity but would a 10a draw be sufficient?

*except one time, I had tested too diligently for too long and forgot to turn it off. I awoke 30-45 minutes later in a panic, like my subconscious had worked out my stoned mistake. Everything was cool but I still feel like I let them get way too discharged because the next charge took what seemed twice as long. Oh well, not ideal - I’m still getting the same performance. How long does it generally take for 18650s to begin to noticeably lose capacity? Many advance thanks to those who know these things!

I forget and leave mine on a lot. Right now I look over and the light is on. I don’t worry about it. I don’t know how long it takes but the light does go out eventually. Then you have to flip the switch off and back on for it to work again.

I do still have a couple questions for @mr_cfromcali

Is there any harm in using the FD while it is plugged in as long as it has batteries? Will your bms stop the charge if I plug it in and leave it until I want it?

Thank you!

Edit: not sure how I did it but part of my reply is in the quoted text and part not. Sorry about that.
 

mr_cfromcali

Accessory Maker
Accessory Maker
Is there any harm in using the FD while it is plugged in as long as it has batteries? Will your bms stop the charge if I plug it in and leave it until I want it?

The mains charging adapters I ship with the heaters are LiPo chargers, and while not as good as a NiteCore standalone, they do the job, and they include logic that will switch off their charging circuit when they detect a full battery.

When plugged into your mains power source and the heater, you'll see a status LED illuminate to indicate the charging status.

Red = charging, green = charge complete.

Hope that helps.

And yes, I'll be putting together a small user manual for this as soon as time permits. ;)
 

mr_cfromcali

Accessory Maker
Accessory Maker
Thursday Fluxer Updates:

New (optional) feature announcement: An optional, top-side temp control is coming to the Flux Deluxe!

:rockon:

I'm sharing a first look at a new feature for the Flux Deluxe. This feature is not ready today, but it is very close, and I anticipate it being available for sale and ready to ship within 1-2 weeks, once batch #2 is fully underway. I wanted to announce it now so you are aware of it. I also wanted to announce it before I started shipping batch #2.

Batch #2 folks, you can let me know if you want to add it to your heater when I contact you (soon!) to confirm your other heater options. :tup:

An optional, top-side temp control:
IMG-7173-private.jpg

Prototype top mounted heat control pot shown above. The final version will be similar to one of the versions below.

IMG-7163-private.jpg


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Final version will be closer to one of the two above


More Details:

I will soon be making a top mounted, easily accessible temp control potentiometer available as an add-on to the Flux Deluxe! This feature will be available to both current and future FD owners for a slight additional cost: USD$15 for new builds, and I anticipate a similar price (plus add'l money for shipping) for batch #1 owners who want to send their units back for an upgrade.

If you choose to add this to your heater, the new top-mounted control wheel will replace the current temp control thumbwheel that sits beneath the battery tray. The new potentiometer has the same range of control as the thumbwheel it replaces, so this feature is really about ease of use and ease of access.

Who will get the most from this feature: Although this feature will work with both coil sizes, users of the new, faster reacting 14mm coil will see the most benefits from this feature, as that coil reacts very quickly to slight changes in power. Initial testing of this feature with the 14mm coil showed it was possible to impose a delay of 1-2 seconds from full power to minimum power. This doesn't sound like a lot of difference, but given the very quick 3-4 second heating time of the smaller 14mm coil, even a brief delay was very effective, by which I mean it lead to more vapor production and somewhat better flavor. (I say "somewhat" here because that's probably accurate, as it already tastes pretty good, lol.)

This isn't a life changing feature and I am not trying to present it as such, but it does pair very nicely with the 14mm coil.

When I initially conceived of this feature in late November, I was hopeful that it would allow users a wide range of control of the heating temperature. Unfortunately, as I explained in a post the other day, the power relay circuit breaks down and fails (:rip:) when operated at the extremes of its range. It's fine, however, when operating in a narrower-but-still-effective range, and that is what I am offering with this control.

I'll have more info on this feature and a demo, etc., as I complete it. I just wanted to share it with you now, before I start shipping batch #2, as I expect some of you will want this and you would not be happy if I announced it a week after you received your new heaters. :goon:

Speaking of which: Batch #2 is right around the corner! I have been dragging my feet on it this week while I fretted over how to handle this new feature. Now that I've announced the feature and it's out in the open, I feel a whole lot better about building out batch #2. :nod:

I will begin contacting you batch #2 folks in order to confirm your heater options and shipping info very soon!

That's all for now! Thanks again for your support and feedback.

Cheers,
:leaf:
 
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