E-Nano from Epickai

[Sleep]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/2018/02/23/e-cigarettes-toxic-metals-lead-arsenic.amp

“The study's authors tested three elements of the e-cigs: the liquid itself, the liquid inside of the vape pen's chamber, and the aerosol (or vapor). They were specifically interested in whether the metal coil that vape pens use to heat the liquid in order to turn it into vapor was leeching or generating toxic metals.

And it turns out, their hypothesis was right. There was not a significant amount of toxic metals in the e-cig liquid itself. But in over half of the e-cigs, the liquid inside the dispenser and the aerosol contained significant levels of chromium, nickel, and lead. According to the study's authors, chromium and nickel have been linked to respiratory disease and lung cancer. And lead can cause neurotoxicity and cardiovascular disease — there is also no safe amount of lead exposure.

‘It’s important for the FDA, the e-cigarette companies and vapers themselves to know that these heating coils, as currently made, seem to be leaking toxic metals—which then get into the aerosols that vapers inhale,’ study senior author Ana María Rule, PhD, MHS, an assistant scientist in the Bloomberg School’s Department of Environmental Health and Engineering, said in a statement.“

It’s got me a little worried. It’s the coil itself rather than the liquid that is the problem. As I said before, I’m not familiar enough with the design of e-cigs and the Enano to know what to think.

 

[Hjalmark]

Yes, I’ve seen that promotional material before. It doesn’t really answer much. All self-descriptions from vape manufacturers describe how their air paths are “clean” and “safe”. I don’t know much about e-cigs, so to all the users that are familiar with the design of an e-cig vs the Enano: is there an inherent difference in the Enano design that would make the air traveling past its ceramic heater any less susceptible to contamination than the air in the e-cig?

I could be wrong but I believe the problems are in the e juice that is vaporized.
Also crappy vape pens with sketchy materials and vapor path.

the problem is with the coils and going to quote an article here from New Atlas

"Strangely enough, the metal concentrations in the aerosols studied were higher for e-cigarette devices that had their coils changed frequently, leading to the conclusion that, the newer the coil, the more it potentially leeched metals."

https://newatlas.com/toxic-metals-found-e-cigarette-vapor/53541/

so shitty coils and materials are to blame, same goes for some horrible ejuice you buy for a dollar in some random vape store, never know where the seller got any of those materials and highly likely he bought them cheap online to higher is profit margins

Anyone thought this

would be healthy should do some exercises in critical thinking

same goes for us vaping some random bud bought off the street maybe lazed with pesticides

I would love to see actual laboratory studies done on the Enano but what I can find about stainless steel is that stainless steel screens are rated inert up to 800 f / 427 c by manufacturers and then stainless steel it self is rated up to 1400 f / 760 c by some random metallurgists on some random metallurgists forum #grainofsalt

when it comes to ceramic it was hard to find anything expect talks between ceramic artists and those didnt really apply to what we are talking about here

because again the difference with ecigg and convection vape is that your heating up a coil to vaporize liquid while Enano heats up air that your pull over your herb

E-cigarettes and herb vaporizers have very little to do with each others in reality

think dabbing with red hot coils might be more relevant

 

[Sleep]

Thanks for the measured, well- thought reply, Hjalmark.

I’ve been using the hell out of my nano, but this latest study kind of has me thrown. Of course, vaping isn’t ever going to be confused with a healthy lifestyle (maybe HEALTHIER, comparatively), but if it’s full of metals I may as well go back to using Zig Zags.

I found a thread where the guy who makes the Underdog very thoroughly and frankly discusses material safety and construction of log vapes. Enano wasn’t really mentioned, though.

 

[CarolKing]

Thanks for the measured, well- thought reply, Hjalmark.

I’ve been using the hell out of my nano, but this latest study kind of has me thrown. Of course, vaping isn’t ever going to be confused with a healthy lifestyle (maybe HEALTHIER, comparatively), but if it’s full of metals I may as well go back to using Zig Zags.

I found a thread where the guy who makes the Underdog very thoroughly and frankly discusses material safety and construction of log vapes. Enano wasn’t really mentioned, though.

I’m not a scientist but I think vaporizing with the Enano would be far better than zig zags. My health tells me that. I smoked joints and a little pipe for 30 years or more.

Not sure that any of us has tools to measure any heavy metals in our vapor. I know that shitty weed has heavy metals and pesticides so be careful what you are ingestng to begin with.

 

[Sleep]

I feel ok, my lung capacity feels good. I guess my concern is whether or not the air that passes through the herb ever comes in direct contact with the nichrome wire?

 

[Stu]

I'd like to remind everyone that we have a rule:

• If you have a question or comment regarding material safety, post it in General Discussion. Do not post it in a model thread.

Thank you.

 

[Sleep]

I'd like to remind everyone that we have a rule:



Thank you.

That seems like a ridiculous rule. I understand FC’s need to maintain sponsors and turn a profit, but to quash any critical discussion of a particular vape makes this less of a forum and more of a marketing board where only cheerleaders are allowed to voice their unquestioning support. I also noticed this going on in another thread not very long ago—it was as unsavory then as it is now.

 

[Stu]

That seems like a ridiculous rule. I understand FC’s need to maintain sponsors and turn a profit, but to quash any critical discussion of a particular vape makes this less of a forum and more of a marketing board where only cheerleaders are allowed to voice their unquestioning support. I also noticed this going on in another thread not very long ago—it was as unsavory then as it is now.

The rule is in place to prevent fear mongering about specific vaporizers. It has happened in the past where competitors will attempt to use this tactic to disparage their competition (imagine that!). Motives are hard to judge and therefore we simply don't allow material safety discussion in vape specific threads. Period.

We also have a rule:

• Public discussions of staff decisions are not permitted on the site. If you have any concerns or queries relating to a staff decision please take it up in private with a staff member.

If you would like any of this explained to you in greater detail, please feel free to start a PM but do not make any further posts about material safety in vaporizer specific threads.

Thank you.

 

[pxl_jockey]

Thank you Stu. And just like that he's gone. @Sleep has left the FC building apparently, so I don't need to worry about hurting a fellow member's feelings with this rant.

Something I've noticed (more than once) recently are newish members coming into a thread and acting as though the other members are there in a customer support/company rep capacity, just for them. These people also usually seem to have fears/concerns about materials that aren't based on science (or logic) and it just seems like they're trying to infect others. They also tend to act like they're the first intelligent human being to have a thought about materials for these devices we inhale from. And tend to believe everything is a conspiracy, i.e. with FC in collusion with sponsors (EpicVape isn't one) to turn a PROFIT?! There's no point trying to persuade or reason with them and they suck the good energy right out of the room.

Dear @Stu @pakalolo - how much do you earn annually from FC, salary and kickbacks from sponsors? Is it true that there's an FC Island, bought with our membership dues/fees and all that sweet sponsorship cash? Is it?! Fess the f^ck UP! Is there a lair with machine gun turrets and sharks with mounted lasers?

Especially when it comes to the tried & true eNano, our humble hero? How many (approximately) are in the wild at this point in time, @ACE OF VAPE ? Thank you for making this amazing workhorse; it's pretty, versatile, dead simple to use, quality guts and it just keeps working well. Excellent value for money imo!

 

[Baron23]

Thank you for making this amazing workhorse; it's pretty, versatile, dead simple to use, quality guts and it just keeps working well. Excellent value for money imo!

This ^^ absolutely.

 

[CarolKing]

I’m thankful that we have a place like FC. I also thank the hard work of the mods. A thankless job. I thank you for all that you do.

I wouldn’t be using the Enano if I thought it was unhealthy. I love a glass airpath better than plastic any day of the week. The nano brings out the wonderful vapor flavor of your bud. Some cannabis doesn’t all have good vapor flavor. I can’t stand anything with diesel or the taste of white widow in my vaporizer. I’m a vapor snob.

 

[BabyFacedFinster]

Thanks to all the mods. There are very few forums that maintain the civility of the FC group.

I also have a great affinity for those of us in this particular thread. (and the Fuck You thread )

All this goodwill plus the ability to say "fuck" anytime you want.

Oh, and my nano has some Wappa in it right now, plus I just cleaned my glass so the bubbler was sparkly clean.

 

[pxl_jockey]

@BabyFacedFinster Dang it man, you're gonna make me cry! I know how you feel about being protective of this group, if I see someone being less than respectful to @CarolKing in another thread it immediately gets me riled up. She's tough and fully capable of taking care of herself, but I won't hesitate to send a strongly worded PM to someone if necessary!

So many of you guys I already liked from my lurking days before I joined, this thread is just a good hang with good peeps. Perhaps a certain amount of the goodwill found here is Nano-related? Idk, I find that visiting this thread tends to make me want a stem or gong-full through my faithful Nano. Is it a sort of Nano-based hivemind or simply psycho-social stimulus?

I feel this thread is like a cool backroom at the EpicVape shop where @ACE OF VAPE lets us hang out. That way he & @nadia_epic can work without us getting in the way, and they check in on us occasionally. We can go OT & swear, knowing if we go too far @CarolKing will gently nudge us back in line. Except for @ataxian who nobody has ever been able to control, other than his wife.

We do have the best mods, who do this thankless task professionally and with great humour. They're a big reason FC is such a nice, uplifting community. Other than the admittedly super cool and kind members, the mods over the years have really worked to make FC such a nice and civilized place to be. Gosh, I really hope the mods invite me to FC Island someday, would be so wicked.

Love you, Nano Nation!

 

[ataxian]

@BabyFacedFinster Dang it man, you're gonna make me cry! I know how you feel about being protective of this group, if I see someone being less than respectful to @CarolKing in another thread it immediately gets me riled up. She's tough and fully capable of taking care of herself, but I won't hesitate to send a strongly worded PM to someone if necessary!

So many of you guys I already liked from my lurking days before I joined, this thread is just a good hang with good peeps. Perhaps a certain amount of the goodwill found here is Nano-related? Idk, I find that visiting this thread tends to make me want a stem or gong-full through my faithful Nano. Is it a sort of Nano-based hivemind or simply psycho-social stimulus?

I feel this thread is like a cool backroom at the EpicVape shop where @ACE OF VAPE lets us hang out. That way he & @nadia_epic can work without us getting in the way, and they check in on us occasionally. We can go OT & swear, knowing if we go too far @CarolKing will gently nudge us back in line. Except for @ataxian who nobody has ever been able to control, other than his wife.

We do have the best mods, who do this thankless task professionally and with great humour. They're a big reason FC is such a nice, uplifting community. Other than the admittedly super cool and kind members, the mods over the years have really worked to make FC such a nice and civilized place to be. Gosh, I really hope the mods invite me to FC Island someday, would be so wicked.

Love you, Nano Nation!

We all live together on this PALE BLUE DOT we call EARTH (TERRA FIRMA)
CANNABIS + NANO + WATER PATH = CIVILIZED

LEVEL 8.97685 on a MEDICATED SCALE

SHOUT OUT TO THE MODS!

 

[baxter]

I got these 100 screens from eBay shipped from China for $1.05 for the E-nano. I was ready to drill into a piece of lumber to make a hole and use it to "tap and dye" the screens into a round shape. But I didnt even have to do any of that because they are so thin and flexible that I just wrapped one of them around a wooden chopstick and inserted it into the E-nano effortlessly.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/282812490704

Im so tired of cleaning screens and now I can just throw the clogged up screens into the recycling bin when Im thru with them. But these are of lower quality than the ones EpicVape sells and not as thick but they vape just fine.

Oh wait, I see there has been some drama on this thread so I will back up a few pages and read about it.

Nobody in my life knows that I vape cannabis, only you guys. You are the only ones I can tell my secret to.

I quit drinking 100% and now just take some tokes from 8pm until bedtime. It helps me relax, and I like to read books and do internet research on various topics.

 

[BabyFacedFinster]

Nobody in my life knows that I vape cannabis, only you guys. You are the only ones I can tell my secret to.

I quit drinking 100% and now just take some tokes from 8pm until bedtime. It helps me relax, and I like to read books and do internet research on various topics.

I'm right with you on that @baxter

and for this our Attorney General considers us bad people, but I digress.

Back to the nano. I have been hemming and hawing over a carbed gong situation for my nano/bubbler combo. There have been some good suggestions on methods and some good options from guys like the Oregon Glassblower and Joda. However I still haven't taken the plunge. Many adapters make the overall set-up larger to deal with, plus the cost for one glass piece can be high. I'm seriously thinking about using a small drill bit and making a small hole in the side of an epic gong, then sand it smooth to be used as a carb.

Any thoughts on increasing my chances of success? I'm getting tired of lifting the whole nano and gong to clear the bubbler. I want to make my gong more Civilized.

 

[SloJimFizz]

That.... or put your gong in this for $10.00 from TAG. It's a bit more compact and affordable than a few other examples on here.

Blue Cheese in the gong this evening.

 

[baxter]

I'm right with you on that @baxter

and for this our Attorney General considers us bad people, but I digress.

Yeah, you never know who actually smokes so I dont tell anyone anymore because I told a couple of people and turns out that they stopped respecting me after that. In my industry I would get fired in a heartbeat if the boss found out. I live in the Southern states where weed is still as villified as it ever was.

Also I only vape so dont even fit in with the pot smokers. Last time I took one hit from a bong and got so zonked out for like 3 hours just from taking a single hit from the bong. I got paranoid as hell and it was a very unpleasant experience to be in an environment that was strange and unfamiliar, to be out in public where the cops may catch me and to be paranoia-smoked like that with heart palpitations

Very unpleasant. The other day I packed a fresh chamber and hit the E-nano at 7 by accident (on my very first hit) and this resulted in a paranoid-overhigh and I had to scramble to find a way to calm myself down. I have some silly comedy movies that I have watched a thousand times and I usually put one of those on and it calms me down.

But I envy when I read you guys talk about vaping in a group. The only groups I have seen around here just smoke, never seen vaping in a group.

 

[UnevenPizza]

Most people here also don't really know about vaping, probably 2% of the populace.
Even my stoner friends see it more as a gimmick and not really superior to combusting.

I always shudder when I think of one of my friends' bong that is just black from all the smoke passing through, yuck!

Once again I didn't get notified for 2 pages, hmm..
but it's okay, because I have a damned statistics exam coming up in a few hours, so I shouldn't be on FC so much anyway haha.

The idiots in charger here are arguing about lowering the age limit for smoking (cigarettes), and at the same time sticking to the whole weed = dangerous & no medicinal benefits shtick. Nobody really can say why but everyone else seems to be against it so there's surely some reason.


In addition to suffering from the unpleasantness of studying for statistics, I am also sick with a cold. So no vaping the last 2 days...but I think tonight I'll have a nice shab.


"Oh well I must be, getting on. Thank you for your society. Unless I smoke another pipe before I go. What do you say? Oh I'm only a small smoker, a very small smoker. I'm not in the habit of smoking two pipes one on top of the other, it makes my heart go pit-a-pat. It's the nicotine, one absorbs it in spite of one's precautions. You know how it is. But perhaps you don't smoke? Yes? No? It's of no importance."

P.S.: in case anyone didn't know, you can highlight text and press CTRL+I and italize your text, cool!

 

[Summer]

"Oh well I must be, getting on. Thank you for your society. Unless I smoke another pipe before I go. What do you say? Oh I'm only a small smoker, a very small smoker. I'm not in the habit of smoking two pipes one on top of the other, it makes my heart go pit-a-pat. It's the nicotine, one absorbs it in spite of one's precautions. You know how it is. But perhaps you don't smoke? Yes? No? It's of no importance."

P.S.: in case anyone didn't know, you can highlight text and press CTRL+I and italize your text, cool!

What! Nicotine! You still putting tobacco in w/ your herb???

And you can also highlight text & click on the I in the menu bar above.

Good luck on your statistics exam!

 

[ataxian]

What! Nicotine! You still putting tobacco in w/ your herb???

And you can also highlight text & click on the I in the menu bar above.

Good luck on your statistics exam!

Where I'm from TOBACCO will ruin the flavor!
When I lived in EUROPE I started to drink WINE.
No way was I going to smoke CANNABIS with TOBACCO?

I saw a table in a shop in EUROPE I liked so I made it when I was home.
3 NANO GonG'S later I had a table.
GSC without Tobacco!

 

[Summer]

Oh, freak, @ataxian, you've given us one of your rare non-pool pics! I'm shocked! Beautiful room & cute dog.

 

[baxter]

Those screens I recommended a few posts back are not so great as I first thought. They are so thin and pliable that when I stick the EpicVape cleaning pick inside to scrape the screen after cashing out the chamber...... the screen moves down. So I basically have to hold a chopstick from the other end to keep the screen from sliding down if I am scraping it clean. This does not happen when I am vaping or when I am loading the chamber with weed but it happens when I try to scrape the screen clean the way I am accustomed to doing after fully cashing out the chamber.

Kind of a pain in the butt. When I saw 100 screens for one dollar (shipped) I decided to give it a try. I guess I could not scrape them with the pick but if I go that route they will get clogged up probably in less than 10 chambers.

Maybe this is happening to me because I did not drill a hole into a piece of lumber and "stamp them into a circle shape". Perhaps they would grip the sides of the glass tube better if they had been properly stamped

Update: I realize I have owned this E-nano almost 2 years and still have only vaped flower only thru the dry stem. Never anything other than than and never, ever tried a gong or even a J hook

 

[Stu]

Maybe this is happening to me because I did not drill a hole into a piece of lumber and "stamp them into a circle shape". Perhaps they would grip the sides of the glass tube better if they had been properly stamped

I used a wood block to punch out screens for a while, but I quickly realized that the wooden hole got bigger and bigger with use, so I stopped using it. @Ratchett makes a real screen punch that works great if you'd like a solid screen maker.

 

[baxter]

I used a wood block to punch out screens for a while, but I quickly realized that the wooden hole got bigger and bigger with use, so I stopped using it. @Ratchett makes a real screen punch that works great if you'd like a solid screen maker.

Hi Stu! Its interesting to hear from you because I was actually following one of your tutorials from an older post that you made regarding the wood block method. And I actually own drills and bits and have lumber laying around. So Im glad you told me about this because I was fixin to make the wood block this weekend.

But now I will examine instead the idea of buying a screen press. Thanks