E-Nano from Epickai

[Vapor_Eyes]

I just ordered an e-nano and I couldn't be more excited! I quit combusting a couple of weeks ago, and I only have experience vaping with a couple portable units, an Iolite and Atmos Boss which I was relatively pleased with but they certainly aren't big hitters and are set-temps. I should be in for a real treat. I don't know what I'm looking forward to more, great airflow compared to a portable or variable temp which I've never had the luxury of using. In my combustion days I did experiment with vaping in a standard glass pipe, you just hold a Bic lighter above the material so the flame never touches it. You vary the distance to adjust temp, it's far from precise, doesn't get huge clouds, and requires some finesse. That being said, I was able to coax some very tasty low temp hits with that method, with the benefit of an all glass vapor path. I've never matched that taste with a portable.

I'm looking forward to being able to take a couple low temp hits for pure flavor enjoyment before cranking it up to reach the desired effects. I use MJ for a couple of ailments, and it really helps to have a lower temp during the day, so I'm excited to do some experimentation and find the perfect setting for max relief of symptoms while still being functional. Then at night or when otherwise required I can set it higher. This is especially important as while my state is progressive in regards to medical use and even decriminalization, they are a bit backwards with the whole process of acquiring meds. It can be very difficult to consistently find my desired strains which have the most therapeutic effects. I believe variable temps will help a lot in this area.

Anyway, back to the nano. I did so much research and read about many different vapes, the more I read the harder it was to find one that I was happy with if that makes sense. Each style of vape is suited best for different uses and has its own inherent pros and cons. And then there is the issue of the different manufacturer's quality within each style of vape.

One of the main qualities that attracted me to the e-nano was the amazing design and workmanship, I purchased a fiddleback maple which looks great on the website. The koa that is on there but out of stock is just downright beautiful as well, I might have to pick one up if they become available again in the future. I'm not into plastic objects in general, especially something that's going to be heated to a high temp. That eliminated many options such as the VXC, among others. The fast heat up time was possibly the most important factor in my decision, and why I chose it over the UD. Second most important was to be a decently big hitter. I'm not necessarily going for massive clouds but I want to be able to medicate quickly if necessary. Other important factors were clean air path, reliability, and variable temps. The efficiency of log style vapes is a huge bonus. As I'm fairly new to vaping, the efficiency of even portable units is a big advantage over combustion. I've already cut my consumption in half while getting medicated more frequently. I have a feeling my nano will allow me to cut consumption quite a bit further, maybe in half again. If that's true, it will pay for itself in no time.

It's going to be a long wait till it gets here, but I'm reading the thread in the meantime, I'm up to page 16. I'm not sure I'll make it all the way through, it's almost frustrating reading about it while I'm waiting to use it lol. At the same time I'm sure I'll pick up some good usage tips along the way.

Sorry for the long rant, I guess I had a lot to talk about. I'll make sure to post some initial impressions when I get it, followed by a review.

 

[CarolKing]

Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I would call Nadia at Epicvape within the store hours. They are U.S Pacific time on the west coast. 9:00-5:00 Mon - Fri. Mine had said pre-shipping for almost a week. When I called that expedited the issue.

It will be worth it in the end. Too bad so many are having shipping issues. You would think it was the holiday season.

 

[flotntoke]

wish it was only $3!! I love don't think comments.... go look .... Same price as to ship nano.

I'll call them....it might be a limitation in their ecommerce site to reflect proper shipping charges on smaller orders. It wants to charge $8 to ship a tool...

My mistake! Guess the $3 charge is only for GonGs. Sorry, I haven't ordered a stem in forever and guessed stems were the same shipping cost.

Might be this is the charge because of special size/shape. But, looks a bit strange to me. I'd contact Epic and double check on it.

PS.... no need to be snarky about it! I hadn't looked, hence the "I think".

I just ordered an e-nano and I couldn't be more excited! I quit combusting a couple of weeks ago, and I only have experience vaping with a couple portable units, an Iolite and Atmos Boss which I was relatively pleased with but they certainly aren't big hitters and are set-temps. I should be in for a real treat. I don't know what I'm looking forward to more, great airflow compared to a portable or variable temp which I've never had the luxury of using. In my combustion days I did experiment with vaping in a standard glass pipe, you just hold a Bic lighter above the material so the flame never touches it. You vary the distance to adjust temp, it's far from precise, doesn't get huge clouds, and requires some finesse. That being said, I was able to coax some very tasty low temp hits with that method, with the benefit of an all glass vapor path. I've never matched that taste with a portable.

I'm looking forward to being able to take a couple low temp hits for pure flavor enjoyment before cranking it up to reach the desired effects. I use MJ for a couple of ailments, and it really helps to have a lower temp during the day, so I'm excited to do some experimentation and find the perfect setting for max relief of symptoms while still being functional. Then at night or when otherwise required I can set it higher. This is especially important as while my state is progressive in regards to medical use and even decriminalization, they are a bit backwards with the whole process of acquiring meds. It can be very difficult to consistently find my desired strains which have the most therapeutic effects. I believe variable temps will help a lot in this area.

Anyway, back to the nano. I did so much research and read about many different vapes, the more I read the harder it was to find one that I was happy with if that makes sense. Each style of vape is suited best for different uses and has its own inherent pros and cons. And then there is the issue of the different manufacturer's quality within each style of vape.

One of the main qualities that attracted me to the e-nano was the amazing design and workmanship, I purchased a fiddleback maple which looks great on the website. The koa that is on there but out of stock is just downright beautiful as well, I might have to pick one up if they become available again in the future. I'm not into plastic objects in general, especially something that's going to be heated to a high temp. That eliminated many options such as the VXC, among others. The fast heat up time was possibly the most important factor in my decision, and why I chose it over the UD. Second most important was to be a decently big hitter. I'm not necessarily going for massive clouds but I want to be able to medicate quickly if necessary. Other important factors were clean air path, reliability, and variable temps. The efficiency of log style vapes is a huge bonus. As I'm fairly new to vaping, the efficiency of even portable units is a big advantage over combustion. I've already cut my consumption in half while getting medicated more frequently. I have a feeling my nano will allow me to cut consumption quite a bit further, maybe in half again. If that's true, it will pay for itself in no time.

It's going to be a long wait till it gets here, but I'm reading the thread in the meantime, I'm up to page 16. I'm not sure I'll make it all the way through, it's almost frustrating reading about it while I'm waiting to use it lol. At the same time I'm sure I'll pick up some good usage tips along the way.

Sorry for the long rant, I guess I had a lot to talk about. I'll make sure to post some initial impressions when I get it, followed by a review.

Think you will be very pleased with your nano! You'll definitely notice the benefits you mention over your portables, but there is one big one I'm not sure you've considered. Convection vaping! Many reasons I and others prefer this, but the biggest is probably that your load won't be sitting there roasting waiting for you to draw vapor - and still roasting if you aren't. Your material pretty much only hits vaping temp while you are hitting on it. Better flavor, less waste, more control and other factors make this much different from pulling vapor off a miniature oven. Other great things in the upgrade, also. Let us know how you like it!

 

[Gray Area]

Yeah, the shipping for accessories really needs looking at imo...

It costs more to get an E-pick to the UK ($17) than a 4 x gongs ($11) that can't be right

Edit: Just double checked and it takes all the way up to 18 x 18mm GonG's before you get to the same shipping cost to the UK as 1 x pick

 

[GetLeft]

Second most important was to be a decently big hitter. I'm not necessarily going for massive clouds but I want to be able to medicate quickly if necessary.

The nano has this covered! On demand TKOs are the nano-nator's forte. I experienced one just last night. Almost without the T.

Heat up time can be a minor issue if you're not used to using the nano. Plan on waiting around 15 minutes or so to get it up to functional levels. I usually wait around 30 minutes.

Once on (usually sometime around 4:20 pm), I leave it on until I'm done for the day and have on demand one hits 'til I call it quits.

 

[frostyrod]

Anyone else sell GLASS stems beside Epic??? I want a spare but not thrilled to pay just as much in postage as the item.

I ordered an Underdog vaporizer and the direct draw glass stem seems to fit my Nano just fine, actually I also ordered some heat resistant O-rings from Underdog as well but to use on my Nano for my Ed's TnT wood stem and it works great for that and also for the Underdog glass stem as the O-rings on my Nano heat port provide a stopping point for the stems. Now I just need to figure out how to cool down my Underdog as the standard temp, even with an extension cord is way way to hot.

 

[Melting Pot]

Underdog as the standard temp, even with an extension cord is way way to hot.

They sell a low voltage dimmer sorry no link. Will work for you.
U can find in UD thread.
Hope this helps or vvps.

 

[frostyrod]

They sell a low voltage dimmer sorry no link. Will work for you.
U can find in UD thread.
Hope this helps or vvps.

Thanks I did some research and ordered one for like $6 bucks from Amazon, I think this will make my UD useable. I generally keep my Nano between 5.5-6 I tend to like the lower temp vaping, so I hope this dimmer will do the trick, I really don't want to dish out a bunch on a vvps especially since I don't need or want the higher temperatures.

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

Heat up time can be a minor issue if you're not used to using the nano. Plan on waiting around 15 minutes or so to get it up to functional levels. I usually wait around 30 minutes.

I really hope that's not true, Epic Vape's website claims a heat up time of ~2.5 minutes, and all of the reviews I've read so far have confirmed this. Have I missed some crucial detail?

 

[Delta3DStudios]

I really hope that's not true, Epic Vape's website claims a heat up time of ~2.5 minutes, and all of the reviews I've read so far have confirmed this. Have I missed some crucial detail?

Really? what reviews said that?

Pretty much everyone here will agree the Nano performs better once it's been thoroughly preheated (It's been mentioned on pretty much every other page - preheat preheat preheat)

Sure, you can take the nano, crank it up to 10 for 2 minutes and start vaping. But it won't perform nearly as well as if you give it a 15+ preheat. (Or you can do like most of us and leave it running 24/7 - You won't hurt the Nano leaving it running all day - I had mine running 24/7 for 8 months straight)

 

[GetLeft]

Hmmm.
Well, I guess there is the "crank it all the way up to 10 then back it down" technique.

I don't use that technique. Because I stay under 6.5 on my nano and if I crank it up to 10 it will take just as long to let it cool back down to the 6 range. So I plug in, wait my 15 minutes (I generally give it closer to 30 minutes just to know that it's rearing to go for me) to make sure I have a stable temp that I am comfortable vaping at, and use it the rest of the day without doing anything other than reloading when I have to. And unplugging before I fall asleep.

Some people keep it plugged in all the time, dropping to around 3 when not in use, then cranking it up when it's wanted. Then, the warm up is obviously less. But I'm unable to keep my nano plugged in all day. I only keep it plugged in when I'm in the house.

If you use a water tool, then the higher temps are what you'll want, so using the "crank it all the way up" technique might work for you.

EDIT: I knew either @Ratchett or @flotntoke would beat me to it

 

[flotntoke]

I really hope that's not true, Epic Vape's website claims a heat up time of ~2.5 minutes, and all of the reviews I've read so far have confirmed this. Have I missed some crucial detail?

Don't recall the website saying heat up of 2.5 minutes - but haven't read all of it since last update. Think it said 5 - 10 minutes, and that is with the quick pre-heat @Ratchett mentions above (dial at 10 for 3 minutes or so, down to preferred heat for 3 minutes or so). This will work, but performance gets better after 20 minutes to 1/2 hour. You may be able to get a little vapor at 10 after 2.5 minutes, but you'd have to be very careful and attentive to turn it down in increments starting quickly so you don't scorch your load. I wouldn't try it.

Totally agree with all else he said above, too. 15 - 20 minutes at preferred temp to get vapor (or do the dial at 10 pre-heat), longer for heat to settle into the wood and best performance. 24/7 seems to provide the best results for many. Leave mine on all the time unless I'm going to be away from home for more than a day. Have done this for about 2 1/2 years now without it creating any issues. It's suggested you turn heat down to 4 or 5 when you do this, but I usually forget and others have reported leaving at vaping setting (6.5 +/-) doesn't seem to create issues.

I have 2 nanos at 2 different locations (home and girlfriend's where I spend a good bit of time). The home one is pretty much always on, the other is left on less than half the time. So, do both on a regular basis and all these techniques work well for me regularly.

Don't know what reviews you've read that state 2.5 minutes, either. I'm on here at least a few times a week and probably would have clarified if I saw this (as most here know!).

More info about good techniques, tweaks and all else nano right here in this thread. No need to read the whole 550 pages to get it. Start 50 - 100 pages back and skim looking for informative posts on such things. Usually only a few per page and easy enough to skip the "when will it be here", "that sounds good", and all of the other chatter. Also, try the search function. It's at the top of every page. It ain't the best, but usually works fine for basic questions that come up often like this.

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

Really? what reviews said that?

The initial reviews. I've only read as far as the first 16 pages and I did read a few pages back from here too. I've read so much on FC in the past week and a half, probably at least 24 hours total. As long as it will work after 2 or 3 minutes I'm happy. I plan on usually taking a couple low temp hits first anyway for flavor's sake. And I'm not trying to get huge clouds or frequent high airflow hits right away, so I should be fine. I could see letting it heat up if you just want to hit it a bunch or have company over, but I tend to need only a few decent sized hits to be happy. And my years of combusting tobacco and MJ have taken their toll on my lungs so I can't always take frequent hits either.

Edit: yes the website does mention a 2 minute heat up time, it's the first bullet point under product details. And the manufacturer quoted 2.5 minutes in the beginning of this thread.

I do use the search function a lot but it is frankly terrible. I find just googling Fuck Combustion along with whatever I'm looking for is much more reliable.

 

[flotntoke]

The initial reviews. I've only read as far as the first 16 pages and I did read a few pages back from here too. I've read so much on FC in the past week and a half, probably at least 24 hours total. As long as it will work after 2 or 3 minutes I'm happy. I plan on usually taking a couple low temp hits first anyway for flavor's sake. And I'm not trying to get huge clouds or frequent high airflow hits right away, so I should be fine. I could see letting it heat up if you just want to hit it a bunch or have company over, but I tend to need only a few decent sized hits to be happy. And my years of combusting tobacco and MJ have taken their toll on my lungs so I can't always take frequent hits either.

ALWAYS best to start closer to the present and read forward - whether on nano or other vapes. IIRC the first 100 pages (at least!) of this thread are about nanos a good bit different than what you get today. Several changes and upgrades over the past almost 3 years. This tends to be the case with most vapes - especially those not manufactured by larger companies (Arizer, 7th Floor, etc).

Low temp nanoing is very nice, though I usually tend to take it to medium and pair with a bubbler. Think you may be pleasantly surprised at how smooth and flavorful nano hits are (especially at lower temps or tamed thru water). Know it is easy to get excited and over-think things while waiting for a new vape - I always do! But, usually better to wait until you get it and get a session or two in before worrying about such things too much.

FWIW, I don't think heating on high for 2 or 3 minutes and trying to catch good temps while it is warming up is going to be too pleasant. Would think one hit could be very weak and wispy and the next could be pretty harsh. But, must admit I haven't tried it in the couple thousand or so sessions I probably have on mine. Not sure of your particular situation, and definitely up to anyone to use their nano however they like, but from what you're saying I think you may enjoy it more if you leave it ready to go somewhere between 5 - 6 on the dial. Again... probably a good idea to get it and give it a whirl before worrying it about it too much. Cruise around the thread and glean what you can while you wait, and use techniques you think you may like once you get it. Would say posters here ran the gamut from those who are huge cloud chasers, to those who like the lightest vapor that is effective. Think I'm somewhere in the middle.

PS..... Just checked the webpage where you mentioned for the two minute heat up time. Let me say for the record unless there have been some major updates to the heater that haven't been discussed here, that is just plain dead wrong! It will be heating after 2 minutes, but not to a useable temp IME. And, believe me..... I've tried more than a couple times! Figure on 5 or 6 minutes before attaching your glass. Also, this is the only bullet point I disagree with.

 

[snackmaster]

@Vapor_Eyes already mentioned it, but this is from post #1 in this thread:

• Fast 2 minute heat up time = No more waiting.

I don't doubt the nano can produce vapor within a few minutes, but best performance comes with heat up times of at least 20 min. Nano isn't really an on-demand vape unless you leave it on all the time.

 

[CarolKing]

I leave my Nano on all the time. I do turn it down at night and when I'm gone from home. It only takes 5 min for mine to heat up from 3. I usually use somewhere around temp 6. If my Nano is completely cold I turn up to temp 10 and it gets up to my desired temp within 10 min. I have to watch it to make sure I turn it down.

We live in such an on demand society, we want everything right away.

 

[Vapor King]

Don't recall the website saying heat up of 2.5 minutes - but haven't read all of it since last update. Think it said 5 - 10 minutes, and that is with the quick pre-heat @Ratchett mentions above (dial at 10 for 3 minutes or so, down to preferred heat for 3 minutes or so). This will work, but performance gets better after 20 minutes to 1/2 hour. You may be able to get a little vapor at 10 after 2.5 minutes, but you'd have to be very careful and attentive to turn it down in increments starting quickly so you don't scorch your load. I wouldn't try it.

Totally agree with all else he said above, too. 15 - 20 minutes at preferred temp to get vapor (or do the dial at 10 pre-heat), longer for heat to settle into the wood and best performance. 24/7 seems to provide the best results for many. Leave mine on all the time unless I'm going to be away from home for more than a day. Have done this for about 2 1/2 years now without it creating any issues. It's suggested you turn heat down to 4 or 5 when you do this, but I usually forget and others have reported leaving at vaping setting (6.5 +/-) doesn't seem to create issues.

I have 2 nanos at 2 different locations (home and girlfriend's where I spend a good bit of time). The home one is pretty much always on, the other is left on less than half the time. So, do both on a regular basis and all these techniques work well for me regularly.

Don't know what reviews you've read that state 2.5 minutes, either. I'm on here at least a few times a week and probably would have clarified if I saw this (as most here know!).

More info about good techniques, tweaks and all else nano right here in this thread. No need to read the whole 550 pages to get it. Start 50 - 100 pages back and skim looking for informative posts on such things. Usually only a few per page and easy enough to skip the "when will it be here", "that sounds good", and all of the other chatter. Also, try the search function. It's at the top of every page. It ain't the best, but usually works fine for basic questions that come up often like this.

Takes less time to look and know for sure then chance falsehoods from spreading

Product Description
The E-nano is the world’s most efficient and easiest to use American made vaporizer. Don’t let the E-Nanos tiny size fool you, simply load just .025-.05 grams of your favorite herb into the glass stem and you’ll be amazed at the milky clouds this little wonder can produce. This handmade vape will pay for itself in no time with the amount of herb you will save. We guarantee it. If the E-Nano doesn’t exceed your expectations simply return it to us within 7 days for a prompt refund (less shipping and handling).

• Fast 2 minute heat up time = No more waiting.
• Rotary variable power/ON-OFF switch = You chose the temperature from 0-560F.
• Up to 15 watts of full ac power = Plenty of power for concentrates.
• Custom designed 100% ceramic heating element. Rohs compliant. = Clean air path, peace of mind.
• Extra long removable 2.5 meter power cord with variable temperature control built in = No bulky external power supply.
• Hand crafted in the USA from a solid piece of sustainable hardwood = No laminates.
• Natural shellac finish = No Voc’s no lacquers, no paints.
• 24 hour factory burn in = Ready to plug and play when you un-box it.
• 3 year warranty = We stand behind our products. Lifetime warranty on the ceramic heater.
• Optional GonG (glass on glass) adapters 18/19mmmm and 14mm available = Easily connects to your favorite water piece.
• Optional glass aromatherapy cup allows you to heat up and fill your room with essential oils.
• American designed and built = Quality you can see and taste.

E-Nano kit includes everything you need to get started saving your lungs and your herb:

1-Hardwood American Made E-Nano

1-Standard glass wand with stainless steel basket screen

1- Cotton bag

1-E-pik stainless steel multi-tool

1- Quick start guide

 

[BabyFacedFinster]

Really? what reviews said that?

Pretty much everyone here will agree the Nano performs better once it's been thoroughly preheated (It's been mentioned on pretty much every other page - preheat preheat preheat)

Sure, you can take the nano, crank it up to 10 for 2 minutes and start vaping. But it won't perform nearly as well as if you give it a 15+ preheat. (Or you can do like most of us and leave it running 24/7 - You won't hurt the Nano leaving it running all day - I had mine running 24/7 for 8 months straight)

This was a surprise to me also. One reason I was considering the nano was because of the quick heat up time. The website states under product description "Fast 2 minute heat up time = No more waiting." (oops, already shown above) Now I'm hearing from you folks that it's 15-30 min for optimal performance? I'd have to say that 15 min is most certainly "waiting". Deal breaker for me since most times I need to have faster sessions. I wish I could take my time, but when you need to vape in the garage in the dead of winter you need to hit it and quit it.

I was considering it as a change of pace compared to the Lotus. So I wouldn't need to use a torch all the time. But heat up time for the Lotus is only as long as it takes to light the torch. I am going to guess that they are close to being equally efficient and notable for flavor.

 

[FlyingLow]

Only turn my nano off when I am out of town. Otherwise it has been left on 24/7 for the past year.
Always ready, never waiting to get to temp, Just load and rip!

 

[CarolKing]

This was a surprise to me also. One reason I was considering the nano was because of the quick heat up time. The website states under product description "Fast 2 minute heat up time = No more waiting." (oops, already shown above) Now I'm hearing from you folks that it's 15-30 min for optimal performance? I'd have to say that 15 min is most certainly "waiting". Deal breaker for me since most times I need to have faster sessions. I wish I could take my time, but when you need to vape in the garage in the dead of winter you need to hit it and quit it.

I was considering it as a change of pace compared to the Lotus. So I wouldn't need to use a torch all the time. But heat up time for the Lotus is only as long as it takes to light the torch. I am going to guess that they are close to being equally efficient and notable for flavor.

You might want to buy a portable, or you could have the Nano on all the time.

 

[ataxian]

This was a surprise to me also. One reason I was considering the nano was because of the quick heat up time. The website states under product description "Fast 2 minute heat up time = No more waiting." (oops, already shown above) Now I'm hearing from you folks that it's 15-30 min for optimal performance? I'd have to say that 15 min is most certainly "waiting". Deal breaker for me since most times I need to have faster sessions. I wish I could take my time, but when you need to vape in the garage in the dead of winter you need to hit it and quit it.

I was considering it as a change of pace compared to the Lotus. So I wouldn't need to use a torch all the time. But heat up time for the Lotus is only as long as it takes to light the torch. I am going to guess that they are close to being equally efficient and notable for flavor.

I tried so many vaporizers however the NANO was better than all of them.
I have a LOTUS as well.

MY NANO is alway on!

6 is my level right now.

ICY OG, ANIMAL COOKIES, ELECTRIC BANANA OG. I have more however need to take it easy!

 

[BabyFacedFinster]

Can anyone describe the risks, if any, of leaving the nano plugged in 24/7, even when no one's home? I mean, this thing gets very hot at the tip? I would just worry about leaving it out and running.

 

[Enchantre]

Can anyone describe the risks, if any, of leaving the nano plugged in 24/7, even when no one's home? I mean, this thing gets very hot at the tip? I would just worry about leaving it out and running.

I wouldn't leave it at max temp... but, mine runs 24/7 at anything between 5.5 - 7. No problems, ever.
I'd keep it out of reach of children, pets, make sure the cord can't be tripped over, etc.

I've had mine for a couple of years now, running constantly. Hmm... 2.5 years. Never an issue.*


*not with running 24/7. Did have to redo the inner connections, but not from leaving it on.

 

[Pjake]

Can anyone describe the risks of leaving the nano plugged in 24/7, even when no one's home? I mean, this thing gets very hot at the tip? I would just worry about leaving it out and running.

I turn mine off when I leave the house. When I come home I turn it on first thing. By the time I get done taking the dog out and other random "just got home" stuff it's ready. When I'm home it's always on. If I had a cat or a child I might have some concern. That being said if I was only able to vape in the cold garage I'd look into a nice portable.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Can anyone describe the risks, if any, of leaving the nano plugged in 24/7, even when no one's home? I mean, this thing gets very hot at the tip? I would just worry about leaving it out and running.

Do you have pets? The only possible risk is if a pet knocks over the Nano you *might* have an issue. Although 400F is pretty low on the temperature scale, nothing can really combust at those temperatures....

If you're really all that worried, you can get a WeMo smart outlet like me:

This wifi controlled outlet let's me assign 'schedules' to my nano. On 1 hour before I wake up, off 30 minutes after I leave for work, then back on 10 minutes before I come home from work (I like it a bit cooler right when I get home so my first session is super flavorful). Then it turns off around midnight after I go to bed.

Of course if I take the day off, I can always turn off/on my Nano via my smartphone app.

Yes, I'm a geek, and I'm damn proud of it!