E-Nano from Epickai

[max]

Since you've used the PD you know the bowl/air path diameter is 1/4". Between the video and the pic I thought it was pretty clear that this model has a much wider diameter. Another vid on page two shows the wide diameter, straight wand/stem, and Andy's comment below says that a piece of silicone tubing mates with both the e-nano stem and a 14mm connection.

Looks like they are 9mm in diameter.

Exactly.

Page two-

Just put another piece of silicone on the other end of the stem (which doubles as a mouthpiece) and it's a perfect fit into a 14mm.

i have already gave the nano a test a few months back, i can assure you all its a heavy hitter!

Heavy hitter means good air flow. If you don't pack tight the draw is quite good.

So are we back on 2-3 week average

I don't think 2-3 weeks has ever been average. The site said "allow" 2-3 weeks, and I don't even see that anymore (that shouldn't have said 'shipping time' either. Order fulfilment would have been better. Delivery time is going to vary. You COULD get a unit shipped the same day you order. There could also be a backlog of orders to fill, which is probably still the case now.

 

[kelper]

Since you've used the PD you know the bowl/air path diameter is 1/4". Between the video and the pic I thought it was pretty clear that this model has a much wider diameter. Another vid on page two shows the wide diameter, straight wand/stem, and Andy's comment below says that a piece of silicone tubing mates with both the e-nano stem and a 14mm connection.

Exactly.

Page two-


Heavy hitter means good air flow. If you don't pack tight the draw is quite good.

Wide diameter tube doesn't always mean less restriction because there can be restrictions in the vape itself causing air flow problems. Someone recommended this vape to me in another thread and I am very interested in it, but since restricted flow causes me problems I was looking for feedback from someone who has tried both it and the PD before shelling out $$$. I think you've answered my question (I assume you've tried both), so thank you. It does look great in the vendor video, but wanted some independent confirmation since the vendors understandably really know how to milk their products.

edit: Heavy hitter to me doesn't always mean good air flow. I've used vapes that I've been able to milk a very heavy hit from, but just about busted a lung doing it because of the restricted air flow.

 

[kingofnull]

I find the airflow to be pretty open. Probably in line or better than a PVHES Solo stem.

 

[rayski]

Wide diameter tube doesn't always mean less restriction because there can be restrictions in the vape itself causing air flow problems. Someone recommended this vape to me in another thread and I am very interested in it, but since restricted flow causes me problems I was looking for feedback from someone who has tried both it and the PD before shelling out $$$. I think you've answered my question (I assume you've tried both), so thank you. It does look great in the vendor video, but wanted some independent confirmation since the vendors understandably really know how to milk their products.

edit: Heavy hitter to me doesn't always mean good air flow. I've used vapes that I've been able to milk a very heavy hit from, but just about busted a lung doing it because of the restricted air flow.

Do you have to inhale very fast? A lot of vaporizers call for a slow draw do to restricted air flow or because a fast flow will lower the temperature. So I've become accustomed to drawing fairly slow; At a slow draw, there really is no restriction with my E-Nano.
If you want unrestricted air flow you need to use a whip or stem the size of a vacuum cleaner hose.

 

[kingofnull]

Do you have to inhale very fast? A lot of vaporizers call for a slow draw do to restricted air flow or because a fast flow will lower the temperature. So I've become accustomed to drawing fairly slow; At a slow draw, there really is no restriction with my E-Nano.
If you want unrestricted air flow you need to use a whip or stem the size of a vacuum cleaner hose.

At 5-6.5 I can pretty much inhale as hard/fast as I want and the temp pretty much keeps up.

 

[max]

Wide diameter tube doesn't always mean less restriction because there can be restrictions in the vape itself causing air flow problems.

Can't think of one off hand. Even the standard heater cover on the SSV, which has a smaller opening than the 1/4" PD output, doesn't restrict air flow like a PD or CRZ (to a lesser extent). You don't have to puff on this vape unless you pack the herb, which will restrict your draw.

Heavy hitter to me doesn't always mean good air flow. I've used vapes that I've been able to milk a very heavy hit from, but just about busted a lung doing it because of the restricted air flow.

On this forum, a big hitter means being able to fill your lungs with one hit drawn by the lungs, not by milking/puffing. With this vape you can take small hits and use it more like the restricted flow older model logs, or change your loading and draw and get a free flowing hit with your lungs. Check the thick vapor in the vid on page one. Those hits are too close together to be anything but pulled straight from the lungs. How you load, and even the grind consistency, can make a big difference. A fine grind isn't what you want here, for big hits.

 

[kelper]

With this vape you can take small hits and use it more like the restricted flow older model logs, or change your loading and draw and get a free flowing hit with your lungs.

Good to know. This is the kind of info I was looking for. I don't always keep up on the latest technology, so wasn't aware that the PD was such an older model log (makes me feel like an older model log).

Do you have to inhale very fast? A lot of vaporizers call for a slow draw do to restricted air flow or because a fast flow will lower the temperature. So I've become accustomed to drawing fairly slow; At a slow draw, there really is no restriction with my E-Nano.
If you want unrestricted air flow you need to use a whip or stem the size of a vacuum cleaner hose.

No - don't need to inhale very fast, but want one that has good volume of air flow - more of a "volts" than an "amps" consideration, if you get my analogy. Sounds like this is the ticket. Thanks (and thanks for initially recommending it to me in the other thread).

Edit: oops - inadvertent back-to-back posts

 

[XGerpXDerpX]

Thatd be nice to hear its shipped if not expectiing if another month

 

[ChronicallyToasted]

Hey guys, I've lurked here for awhile ever since I decided to invest in my first vaporizer and after doing some research I finally landed on the Nano about a month ago.

This wait is killing me! Andy told me mine would ship out early last week but I haven't heard anything from him since... It seems his estimates were extremely optimistic since he told Userlain that his would also ship out last Monday even though he is order #175 while I am #213 and neither of us is yet to hear of it being shipped...

Anyway, I've read a lot about the dangers of smoking with aluminum and am a little concerned to hear that the inner wall of the Nano is made out of it. Even if it is anodized, I have read that at 80c anodizing starts to crack (Edwards, Joseph (1997). Coating and Surface Treatment Systems for Metals. Finishing Publications Ltd. and ASM International. pp. 34–38). The HI may not experience much charring but if the Nano truly has 3x the power then couldn't that be a health hazard? Does anyone else have any similar concerns?

 

[momofthegoons]

The HI may not experience much charring but if the Nano truly has 3x the power

There has been a bit of discussion regarding this and I want to set the record straight. According to Andy, the power of the Nano is 15 watts at 110 volts. The power of a log vape resistor is 7.2 watts at 12 volts .

 

[XGerpXDerpX]

So this thing can run off 18650 batteries if all it needs is 15 watts...leaving several of them plugged in would be like 1 lightbulb on

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

I'll be addressing the wattage, heating, aluminum issues at lenth when I get a minute. (Next day or two) Trying to catch up on orders...

 

[Heat]

I was #187 and received my Nano yesterday. So far this thing is awesome! Thanks Andy!

 

[wonderfox]

Keen to see the aluminium issue addressed. The inclusion of aluminium in the materials (especially so close to the heater core) is making me consider cancelling my order. It's due to be shipped soon so I hope we get some info sooner rather than later. I understand Andy is busy right now with a number of orders but things like materials are a deciding factor when it comes to purchasing a vape (aluminium was not mentioned in the description on page 1 or the product page on the epicvape website). This is in no way an attack, I would just like to be granted piece of mind before receiving the unit as this is a real concern of mine.

 

[toros23]

The aluminum lining the entire inside of the log came as a major surprise to me too. I'd gladly pay a little extra for the SS if it is a COG issue.

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Sigh.... I hate to be a negative Nancy here, but... I am also not pleased that aluminum was not mentioned earlier. If it wasn't in the original design, I think it should have been mentioned as soon as it was implemented. If someone else hadn't mentioned it, would it ever have even been mentioned?

I understand being busy, but... you gotta tell people what they're getting. You gotta make time for that.

However, I am more than ready to be convinced that it's okay.

 

[lazylathe]

Looking for a good outcome on this topic!

I am thinking that if the outside is aluminum and it is shielded from the actual core then there will be no issues at all.
Since it melts at 950 degrees Celsius i would think that the temps we use the vape at it would be pretty safe for daily use.
Most of the info i have found says to not heat it above 800 degrees Celsius to avoid the toxic vapors that could be produced.
And with the anodizing, that adds to the protection even more from leaching aluminum.

Let's give Andy a chance to get his notes together and give us a definitive answer before we all leap about on this topic.

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Looking for a good outcome on this topic!

I am thinking that if the outside is aluminum and it is shielded from the actual core then there will be no issues at all.
Since it melts at 950 degrees Celsius i would think that the temps we use the vape at it would be pretty safe for daily use.
Most of the info i have found says to not heat it above 800 degrees Celsius to avoid the toxic vapors that could be produced.
And with the anodizing, that adds to the protection even more from leaching aluminum.

Let's give Andy a chance to get his notes together and give us a definitive answer before we all leap about on this topic.

I agree, we're probably making too much out of it for nothing, and if you're like me, have too much time to sit around and wonder about "what if?" But still, I feel like we should have been told immediately.

 

[wonderfox]

I like that idea, toros. I'd also gladly pay extra for SS lining instead of the aluminium. I've e-mailed Andy to ask if this could be an option.
I do think it should have been included with the original info, it's a little concerning to say the least that it only recently came about.
Lazylathe, you're right, Andy is a busy guy and he's had a lot of orders to fulfil, but I'd like this cleared up before I receive mine which is due to be shipped any time now. I ordered and paid for something that I thought mainly consisted of ceramic, stainless steel and wood. Had I known at the time that wasn't entirely the case, I would not have ordered (unless there was more info available proving no concerns/health risks). He's a reputable seller and the EV is a highly thought of product on this forum, and so I would think he had done his research to ensure he is not selling a product which poses a health risk.
I too am open to reassurance/other options as concerns aside, the E-Nano looks like a great unit and is something I've been looking forward to for a while now.

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

I like that idea, toros. I'd also gladly pay extra for SS lining instead of the aluminium. I've e-mailed Andy to ask if this could be an option.

Let us know what he says, please!

 

[lazylathe]

Thinking out aloud here...

But doesn't the Volcano have aluminum surrounding the heating core/
This is an excerpt from the FAQ's on the volcano site:
Does the aluminium heat exchanger emit any substances which are subsequently inhaled by the user?

No. the top temperature reached in the heat exchanger 464°F (240°C) is by far below the temperature that is needed to emit any substances out of the aluminium alloy AlMgSi, melting point 1220°F (660°C); boiling point 4566°F (2519°C) used by us. This is documented by an analysis of the air produced by the Volcano on top temperature made by the UTM Office for Environmental Engineering in Münster, Germany

There is a .pdf study done in Germany of the heat exchanger on the page as well:
http://www.storz-bickel.com/vaporizer/vaporizing-frequently-asked-questions.html#gruppe-02-06

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Thinking out aloud here...

But doesn't the Volcano have aluminum surrounding the heating core/
This is an excerpt from the FAQ's on the volcano site:
Does the aluminium heat exchanger emit any substances which are subsequently inhaled by the user?

No. the top temperature reached in the heat exchanger 464°F (240°C) is by far below the temperature that is needed to emit any substances out of the aluminium alloy AlMgSi, melting point 1220°F (660°C); boiling point 4566°F (2519°C) used by us. This is documented by an analysis of the air produced by the Volcano on top temperature made by the UTM Office for Environmental Engineering in Münster, Germany

There is a .pdf study done in Germany of the heat exchanger on the page as well:
http://www.storz-bickel.com/vaporizer/vaporizing-frequently-asked-questions.html#gruppe-02-06

Good work, lazylathe!

But does this address the issue of anodized aluminum cracking that was brought up? I don't know enough about it to say, and my research is starting to become a mixed bag. I'm hoping someone who does understand this stuff will chime in until Andy makes a more official post.

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

Good work, lazylathe!

But does this address the issue of anodized aluminum cracking that was brought up? I don't know enough about it to say, and my research is starting to become a mixed bag. I'm hoping someone who does understand this stuff will chime in until Andy makes a more official post.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=171970
The heater core itself is stainless steel. The outer ring is what is aluminum. The temp of that ring never exceeds 250F at the max setting of the Nano. At normal operating temps.(5,5-6.5) the temp of the aluminum is under 200F.
More to follow soon...

 

[lazylathe]

That link is for dust/particles of aluminum.

As far as i see it, unless the aluminum is heated to extreme temps (over 800 degrees C) nothing is going to happen to you.
If you are grinding, stamping etc then the dust/particles created by the process is the part that is dangerous to humans.

So long as you keep the temps of the unit below combusting temps then everything will be fine.

All the data i could find was related to melting, grinding, stamping etc.
Those processes release microscopic particles of the parent metal into the air and they can cause lung problems etc...

We have a Chrome cobalt allow at work that can be dangerous to work with.
It is melted under vacuum and cast under pressure, all the air is vented through filters etc...
If we need to weld/solder onto it no respirator or PPE is required due to it only being toxic in a molten form. That is when it will release fumes etc that are dangerous.

One thing i think is also missing is that aluminum is in a lot of prescription medications available over the counter. Most head ache tablets contains it.

An excerpt from an American intake study:

Based on the FDA’s 1993 Total Diet Study dietary exposure model and the 1987–1988 U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Nationwide Food Consumption Survey, the authors estimated daily aluminum intakes of 0.10 mg Al/kg/day for 6– 11-month-old infants; 0.30–0.35 mg Al/kg/day for 2–6-year-old children; 0.11 mg Al/kg/day for 10-yearold children; 0.15–0.18 mg Al/kg/day for 14–16-year-old males and females; and 0.10–
0.12 mg Al/kg/day for adult (25–30-and 70+-year-old) males and females.
Users of aluminum containing medications who are healthy (i.e., have normal renal function) can ingest much larger amounts
of aluminum than in the diet, possibly as high as 12–71 mg Al/kg/day from antacid/anti-ulcer products
and 2–10 mg Al/kg/day from buffered analgesics when taken at recommended dosages

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

That pdf link for the Volcano has some good info. about the aluminum alloy they use. Assuming it's the same alloy in the 'Nano, it seems to be fine.

I just don't care much for aluminum. It's EVERYWHERE and I would prefer to limit my exposure. But, as of now, I don't feel as though there's going to be any more danger using this vape than there would be in everyday life, pretty much... I mean, almost any material has SOMETHING to worry about... I swear, I could spend my whole fucking life worrying about the materials of everything I use!

I would still like to hear more about it though. Is it the same alloy the Volcano uses? Does it have any of the PTFE chemicals that makes cookware questionable? I seriously doubt it, but... this is not exactly my field of expertise. Not that I have one or anything.

Look forward to hearing more, Andy!