E-Nano from Epickai

[max]

You do realize the things you quoted state "in my opinion" and "I think," right? That right there shows pretty blatantly that these are my opinions and not facts. Too many people on this forum struggle to notice grammatical cues.

For that quote you're correct. But the other quote is a little different. This part- "So as far as making a single vape purchase ready to go on arrival, I think its safe to say that the Nano is better than the UD." - sparks the question, better in what way? You seem to be saying better because it has temp control. In that respect it's hard to argue with your statement, but it has to be linked to your previous sentence about temp control. Easy to see why an Underdog owner like NEVERnotWORKING would object.

Personally I can't imagine preferring a fixed temp vape to a similar one that has temp control, but if the fixed temp you're using is precisely and exclusively the temp you want, why complicate things with a temp control? It's just something else that can potentially quick working right.

On my way to fed-ex to pick up some heaters I hope...

Now that you've said that you'd better hope.

 

[al bundy]

GREAT NEWS

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Yes, you can use a VVPS on any log and get variable temp. But the Nano comes stock with temp control and that's one of it's biggest, if not the biggest, selling points. So as far as making a single vape purchase ready to go on arrival, I think it's safe to say that the Nano is better than the UD. Sure, though, with mods and extras you can make several vapes just as good as the next one.

Why? A VVPS can be as cheap as $14. The one I have, has been running 24/7 for several months, no problem. I have 4 of them. What you going to do, when the built in temp control breaks, or starts reducing in performance?

You're starting a battle you're not going to win and one the mods won't allow. I've read through some of the comments, of "best vape" and the silly log vapes don't produce a lot of vapor points.... I've got a video, already made just sitting on Youtube (over 40 at least, featuring the HI) that counters every "point" made about "other" log vapes.

This is another log vape. They're all basically the same. The most important things, is it safe, does it work and is it well-built. Beyond that, is moot... well styling and such. Reasonable.

 

[green2brown]

Why? A VVPS can be as cheap as $14. The one I have, has been running 24/7 for several months, no problem. I have 4 of them. What you going to do, when the built in temp control breaks, or starts reducing in performance?

You're starting a battle you're not going to win and one the mods won't allow. I've read through some of the comments, of "best vape" and I've got a video, already made just sitting on Youtube (over 40 at least, featuring the HI) that counters every "point" made about "other" log vapes.

This is another log vape. They're all basically the same. The most important thing, is is it safe, does it work and is it well-built. Beyond that, is moot... well styling and such. Reasonable.

Win what? I gave my opinion and people want to argue and counter it. IT'S AN OPINION. How many times do I need to reiterate that? Nobody can ever state BEST as FACT. The word "best" is SOLELY A SUBJECTIVE WORD. Comprehend English, then utilize that comprehension when reading. This will be my last post in this thread for awhile because clearly opinions aren't welcome here.

Andy, you've designed a phenomenal fucking vape and I can't wait for more to get out into the wild.

mod note: Your "comprehend english" line was unnecessary and not nice, and our 'Be Nice' rule is #1 here.

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

Here is the main difference between the E-Nano and all other 'Log' vapes. The Nano has triple the heating power (watts) and 4x the surface area to heat, hence 'more power' when you need it.

 

[NEVERnotWORKING]

You do realize the things you quoted state "in my opinion" and "I think," right? That right there shows pretty blatantly that these are my opinions and not facts. Too many people on this forum struggle to notice grammatical cues.

... my issue is with your SUBJECTIVE opinions that seems to trash the other log vape. Like I said, there is nothing wrong with your reasoning why the nano is great. Your opinion, like mine, is obviously valid.


I was referring to the original question as asked by Dr. Plutonius and his usage of best:

Hey guys, I did a quick search of this forum and didn't see too munch info (probably because people are just getting their E-Nano's now).

For those who have received one, what would you say is the E-Nano's best feature in comparison to other log vapes (or vapes in general).

Which I felt toros23 replied beautifully and objectively:

Not to take anything away from the nano, but I have a nano, a couple UDs and a HI, I don't think any of them blows the other out of the water. They all have different characteristics but I can get huge clouds out of any of them with the proper grind/load/technique. If you are not using a VVPS then I can see how someone might think this is the case.

...and maybe I should've left it at that. But I guess I've just gotten sick of people just upselling their favorite vapes while downselling their competitors. (And i'm probably guilty of that too)

 

[max]

This is another log vape. They're all basically the same.

Aside from similar size and wood housings, at this point I'd say there's at least as much difference as sameness.

The word "best" is SOLELY A SUBJECTIVE WORD.

Not if it's sufficiently qualified, and it frequently isn't.

... my issue is with your SUBJECTIVE opinions that seems to trash the other log vape.

You do realize that this is the E-Nano thread don't you? It's not the 'defend your favorite vape thread'.

This 'discussion' has more than run its course. Not much going on here due to a lack of production, but it's still a vape specific thread. You guys need to go hit your favorite vapes and come back on topic or take a left (or right) turn into another thread, where you should still stay on topic and civil.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

Here is the main difference between the E-Nano and all other 'Log' vapes. The Nano has triple the heating power (watts) and 4x the surface area to heat, hence 'more power' when you need it.

I'm curious. As the owner of a HI, it came with the original OEM non-variable power supply, which provided 12.4 VDC. Personally, I wasn't too fond of this voltage. Thru some stupid vendors in China and a previous purchase, I have 4 or 5 VVPS, that cost me a grand total of $40. The current one I'm using 24/7 running at 11.5 VDC, has been running for months, without any hiccups and was $14.

At 12.4 VDC combustion was quite easy. Heck, at about 11.7... I start having combustion issues. With my latest video Combustion-like Bong Load Milk Tests, I've combusted a few times at 11.5 VDC.

So my question is... why do we need 3x the ability/heat to combust? Running 24/7, mine is also ready when I need it.

 

[slowandsteady]

I'm curious. As the owner of a HI, it came with the original OEM non-variable power supply, which provided 12.4 VDC. Personally, I wasn't too fond of this voltage. Thru some stupid vendors in China and a previous purchase, I have 4 or 5 VVPS, that cost me a grand total of $40. The current one I'm using 24/7 running at 11.5 VDC, has been running for months, without any hiccups and was $14.

At 12.4 VDC combustion was quite easy. Heck, at about 11.7... I start having combustion issues. With my latest video Combustion-like Bong Load Milk Tests, I've combusted a few times at 11.5 VDC.

So my question is... why do we need 3x the ability/heat to combust? Running 24/7, mine is also ready when I need it.

I think one benefit might be the heat up time with having the extra power on hand. Agree, that there is a limit to how useful extra power is after a certain point.

 

[max]

At 12.4 VDC combustion was quite easy. Heck, at about 11.7... I start having combustion issues. With my latest video Combustion-like Bong Load Milk Tests, I've combusted a few times at 11.5 VDC.

So my question is... why do we need 3x the ability/heat to combust? Running 24/7, mine is also ready when I need it.

The HI has always run hotter than previous fixed temp log vapes running on 12V (PD and all the Zaps). What if you like the HI but not the temp you're getting at the particular draw speed you like to use? Or what if you don't like using one single temp all the time, or having to use different draw speeds in order to change it? Those were both the case with me when I was lucky enough to get to borrow a HI to try out. So for me, or anyone wanting to vary the set temp, up OR down, while maintaining the same draw speed and technique, a temp control is a valuable feature.

 

[BigDaddyVapor]

As it is with mine. $14 upgrade, I guess you could call it. Once another vendor is found, they'll be available with the units.

My primary question is why/what, 3x the combustion power, is supposed to be for?

For the record, I don't like one particular voltage. For my purposes now I'm running at 11.5. A month ago, it was 11.7, previous to that... 11.4

 

[max]

My primary question is why/what, 3x the combustion power, is supposed to be for?

It's what variable voltage provides unless there's a limiter to the max temp. If that's not a good enough answer, then start a thread in General Vaporization.

 

[natural farmer]

So my question is... why do we need 3x the ability/heat to combust? Running 24/7, mine is also ready when I need it.

It's what variable voltage provides unless there's a limiter to the max temp. If that's not a good enough answer, then start a thread in General Vaporization.

I believe I agree with what BDV says... Why is a bigger/stronger heater a good selling point when a common 5W resistor has more than enough power to fire up the place? Even the Pod with it's glass heat-port which runs a little cooler than SS heat-port-logs can easily combust with some help from a cheap 14$ VVPS...

 

[max]

Maybe it's head room. The resistor element provides x amount of heat because it's overdriven. Eventually it fails. Elements like the one used in the Nano and pretty much all other vapes that use ceramic elements, can last much longer. 7th Floor has vapes that have been running non stop for longer than this forum has existed. We've seen quite a few PD resistors die.

V8 engines generally last longer than 4 cylinder engines. The 4 cylinder is working a lot harder at highway crusing speeds than the V8, and has a lot less torque for quick acceleration from slower speeds. Operating near the maximum limits, long term, is a strain on all kinds of machines, including the human body.

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

All I want to know is.... what happened last night at FedEx?

 

[max]

All I want to know is.... what happened last night at FedEx?

Give Andy a break. It's not even 7:30 AM in CA yet.

 

[hitnrun]

All I want to know is.... what happened last night at FedEx?

Being the eternal optimist that I am, I'd make a good omen out of it. . . Such as, he got something that's keeping him busy. But that's just me.

 

[kingofnull]

Maybe it's head room. The resistor element provides x amount of heat because it's overdriven. Eventually it fails. Elements like the one used in the Nano and pretty much all other vapes that use ceramic elements, can last much longer. 7th Floor has vapes that have been running non stop for longer than this forum has existed. We've seen quite a few PD resistors die.

V8 engines generally last longer than 4 cylinder engines. The 4 cylinder is working a lot harder at highway crusing speeds than the V8, and has a lot less torque for quick acceleration from slower speeds. Operating near the maximum limits, long term, is a strain on all kinds of machines, including the human body.

That's a good theory.

Has anyone considered the usefulness of higher temps in vaporizing concentrates?

The HI has always run hotter than previous fixed temp log vapes running on 12V (PD and all the Zaps). What if you like the HI but not the temp you're getting at the particular draw speed you like to use? Or what if you don't like using one single temp all the time, or having to use different draw speeds in order to change it? Those were both the case with me when I was lucky enough to get to borrow a HI to try out. So for me, or anyone wanting to vary the set temp, up OR down, while maintaining the same draw speed and technique, a temp control is a valuable feature.

VV is very important for me as I typically have a few strains on the go. I noticed certain strains - particularly those Sativas higher in THC vape better at lower temps, while Indica and high CBD strains seem to vape better at higher temps.

As it is with mine. $14 upgrade, I guess you could call it. Once another vendor is found, they'll be available with the units.

My primary question is why/what, 3x the combustion power, is supposed to be for?

For the record, I don't like one particular voltage. For my purposes now I'm running at 11.5. A month ago, it was 11.7, previous to that... 11.4

But keep in mind some of the issues you've had with obtaining the correct VVPS. I'm not saying one log is better than the other, but I was certainly pleased having a VV log out of the box.

In any case, regarding this whole '3x power' comment. I think it's a bit of a moot point. The E-Nano's max temperature is 460. This is not so common in the vaporization market. The Extreme Q gets up to 500; Volcano 440; DBV/SSV/LSV are all well over combustion temps - hell probably most/all that use the ceramic heater are capable of these high temps. No one asks what the extra power is for in these models

I generally only use 9/10 for heating and concentrates, just like I did with high temps on the EQ. No one is forcing you to use the higher temperature settings, but they are there when you need them.

 

[steamfunk]

i'd just like to alert everyone that i've ordered a nano after previously using a PD daily for the past 2.5 years. looking forward to it.

 

[toros23]

In any case, regarding this whole '3x power' comment. I think it's a bit of a moot point. The E-Nano's max temperature is 460. This is not so common in the vaporization market. The Extreme Q gets up to 500; Volcano 440; DBV/SSV/LSV are all well over combustion temps - hell probably most/all that use the ceramic heater are capable of these high temps. No one asks what the extra power is for in these models

I am simply curious now because the product designer brought it up in a way that indicated a competitive advantage. I think Max had great input but it would definitely be good to hear Andy's thoughts since he brought it up.

 

[vorrange]

That's a good theory.

Has anyone considered the usefulness of higher temps in vaporizing concentrates?



VV is very important for me as I typically have a few strains on the go. I noticed certain strains - particularly those Sativas higher in THC vape better at lower temps, while Indica and high CBD strains seem to vape better at higher temps.



But keep in mind some of the issues you've had with obtaining the correct VVPS. I'm not saying one log is better than the other, but I was certainly pleased having a VV log out of the box.

In any case, regarding this whole '3x power' comment. I think it's a bit of a moot point. The E-Nano's max temperature is 460. This is not so common in the vaporization market. The Extreme Q gets up to 500; Volcano 440; DBV/SSV/LSV are all well over combustion temps - hell probably most/all that use the ceramic heater are capable of these high temps. No one asks what the extra power is for in these models

I generally only use 9/10 for heating and concentrates, just like I did with high temps on the EQ. No one is forcing you to use the higher temperature settings, but they are there when you need them.

The HI reaches 450F i think, so i think the main advantage of the element the nano uses is the difference in heating area which will allow, in theory, to keep the temps from dropping as fast when you increase draw speed.

The 120V thing is just beneficial for US citizens so, i don't really see the advantage of making a product that only works in a handfull of countries, plus the 12V are much more versatile when you're not conected to the grid.

The temp control is a big plus, although easily adapted by a dimmer switch or a vvps. In fact, i think it would be great if the dimmer was removable in the nano.. it is quite easy to implement the change and you could have the best of both worlds, plus it would help if something fails, you don't have to return/replace the whole unit and you don't have to send it back either.

About the high thc sativas vs the high cbd indicas.. that is problably due to the vaporization temperature of both cannabinoids.. since most thc cannabinoids are between 150-190C and most cbd cannabinoids are between 180-230C.

 

[kingofnull]

I am simply curious now because the product designer brought it up in a way that indicated a competitive advantage. I think Max had great input but it would definitely be good to hear Andy's thoughts since he brought it up.

Hey wtf, that's my quote not max's!

In any case, regarding this whole '3x power' comment. I think it's a bit of a moot point. The E-Nano's max temperature is 460. This is not so common in the vaporization market. The Extreme Q gets up to 500; Volcano 440; DBV/SSV/LSV are all well over combustion temps - hell probably most/all that use the ceramic heater are capable of these high temps. No one asks what the extra power is for in these models

I generally only use 9/10 for heating and concentrates, just like I did with high temps on the EQ. No one is forcing you to use the higher temperature settings, but they are there when you need them.

About the high thc sativas vs the high cbd indicas.. that is problably due to the vaporization temperature of both cannabinoids.. since most thc cannabinoids are between 150-190C and most cbd cannabinoids are between 180-230C.

Well of course

 

[toros23]

Hey wtf, that's my quote not max's!

Haha.. Must have got too fancy with cut/paste.. Fixed.. : )

 

[ACE OF VAPE]

The heaters are in the shop and being tested. Orders will start shipping Monday. Thank you all for your patience.
Andy

 

[gvape]

The heaters are in the shop and being tested. Orders will start shipping Monday. Thank you all for your patience.
Andy

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