I love the concept of a manual device... and I love the ritual with a torch... when I first found a Dinovap I was so excited. I really loved the ritual and I would use it in between going and using something else, it was to sip on while I watched a show, but as soon as I wanted to get a real hit, I would go an use something else.
Yeah, it's great for adding a conduction layer to the convection high from like your ball vape. I get what you're saying, though. I usually get pretty high with them and tend to use them to supplement convection more than the other way around, but I do understand that people generally want a big hit. I think I am probably more satisfied in the hit I can get using technique than other folks are. Some I think just want a quick, reliable, repeatable hit and futzing with technique they find tiresome or at least too inconvenient--certainly can't blame them there. Others I think are just on the path but not quite there yet and when they are they will feel differently. And others still just never really get on with it despite a desire and a willingness to give it a good try.
At this time I would see an new device, I would watch the videos and I would get sort of excited... is this one going to deliver the experience I have been craving? maybe this will make the ones I have defunct and this new one would be the experience I wanted. That just never happened, each time the experience was underwhelming but, I didn't have anything better.
For me the DV ('18M) was my first daily vape (I had a DBV but only got it out to party with) and so it kind of set my expectations. I think I got on with it right away more or less and was pretty satisfied with vaping as I knew it (I'd come from a dugout/bat and bong hits most recently). When I got a '19M I was like, "ok, so this gets even better!" and then from there that's more or less been my experience: it worked for me pretty much immediately, it got incrementally better over the years as I got incrementally better at heating them. I do not see them as the best vape ever, but even with an Anvil, some heavy glass vapes, and the TA, ballvapes, etc. they still have a secure daily spot; I use them in and out of my other vapes over the course of the day and I enjoy them now more than ever, I think.
At one stage I got sick of getting up *shakes head* my lazy painful body decided it didn't want to co-operate and getting up was a problem (thank god for a surgeons scalpel) so I ended up getting 4 or 5 of my collection of Dinovaps out at a time, all different ones, maybe one with an fmj, one with an armored cap, a bunch of variety... I would pack them all and then hit them back to back. That was the only way the get the sort of hit out of a Dinovap that I was looking for... but I enjoyed the ritual and couldn't get up and was SOOOO sick of the battery vapes I had... so I accepted that was the way and I kept rotating through them.
Eventually I found other devices that deliver an experience more like what I am looking for and I haven't gone back - that's a lie I pulled one out the other day and used it when someone was asking me about it.. it went back into the box and I messaged the guy back on Discord and said if he wants he can buy it off me as I know he was looking for one and I haven't touched them in months... I don't see it getting any use anymore.
Fair enough. I've never really had any issue getting high from them, even times when my tolerance is really high. I can sit and do back-to-back bowls but I never really needed to.
I think I've sort of naturally pursued variety once I tried a brick and found how different it was. But even understanding that a brick could really give a heady wallop beyond the DV's ability didn't make them less fun or useful to me, really, I just mixed the Brick in! I'm kind of the same with the heavy pens: got an Anvil and love it (still love my DVs), got a Quartz Cap and love it (and my DVs), and a couple TAs that I am enjoying immensely, but I still love my DVs. What are the other devices you like better?
I say all this and yet here I am, reading the thread, because I kind of hope to see something truly innovative, that pulls me back in, this just isn't it.
I sincerely hope that comes along. This would be more incremental.
I think the M7 looks like a neat iteration. I would like to try it - but not enough to buy one - I know its not going to be what I am looking for and would only get used once or twice from curiosity.
That's the thing about innovation, you break the rules and rewrite them into something better. Not being willing to break the rules, choosing to only stay within the "parameters that [previously] define[d] them" leads to a feeling that innovation has been stifled.
I agree as far as it goes. I think they define a DV as a quick heating and cooling device engineered for the best performance they could get in a pocketable manual, with the cap restricting the time and amount to what would roast most optimally. That dictates bowl size to a large degree and also roasting technique and method. It may be possible to push the bowl and cap size to some small increase without affecting manual torch heated vapor quality but that's probably narrow. They could also go with a bigger bowl and heated-mass cap, but who needs another when the ones out there are so well done already?
The vault, to me, felt like an example of when innovation stalls... instead of bringing out something that makes people forget the previous offerings.... it felt like an attempted to protect the existing offerings, to make the old Dinovaps relevant again...
To be fair, people clamor for the earlier DVs so why not sell remaining stock? If i'd been lusting after an Omni for years and one showed up in the Vault, there would be no qualms on my part whatsoever. I wouldn't blame Sticky Bricks if they ran a special OG with the hole, just for the fun (and sales) of it. But the Vault also opened as new products continued to be updated or upgraded or introduced.
I want a Dynavap to make me forget about the old Dinovaps, for my jaw to drop and for me to feel like this new one has made the collection defunct, that would be a Dynavap I would happily fork out for - but it would have to be able to break some of the rules and be willing to re-write them for that to happen.
I do too! It's a lot to ask from a Dynavap, though. ; )
But seriously, I wonder if they should abandon the cap? I don't think I would buy a DV that takes significantly longer to heat or cool, as that's a problem I need solved. I mean, I would buy it if it turned out to be a better Anvil, I guess, but I'd have to keep my old DVs to cover their use case anyhow. ; )
I appreciate your willingness to engage on this because I really wonder what people think about when they ask for a better Dynavap. In my (admittedly uncharitable) mind I always hear that as, "they should build a vape that doesn't do what a Dynavap does, but does do what another vape does."
But I think you've hit on something really significant: a strong desire to want to love a Dynavap even if it has not and may never really hit that spot for you. I hope that's not the case, I get a good bit of enjoyment from them and I'd really wish that for you, too. : )
i think only a vaper would understand though