Dynavap VapCap

[FreddieFresh]

A typical session for me goes like this, first time heat up I get some flavor, no cloud, but a little flavor. Second time heatup I get 1 or 2 decent hits, lousy taste. Third heatup, not much of anything. I keep my finger over the carb the entire time, or I get nothing. It seems like a lot of work and inconsistent results. How do I clean my cap, the torch is taking its toll on it?

The great thing about the VC line is consistency. If you're not getting good results, it's far more likely that there's something wrong with your technique than the cap itself. No offense intended, you just need to figure out what you're doing wrong.

How much herb are you loading in the tip and how's the grind consistency? Finer grinds and fuller bowls will yield bigger clouds but it will roast faster. Unless it's lower quality herb or you're seriously overcooking it (more likely by your description) you should be getting more than 2 hits off a cap. The taste will degrade with each cycle but it should still taste decent on the second and maybe even the third hit.

What's your torch technique, what kind of torch is it, and how strong is your flame? I prefer the triple. I've gotten consistent results with single flames also but they require more work to get an even roast. I personally get the best results with the torch set relatively low. I find when the torch is too high, it causes the click to come too fast. And the outer edge of the bowl will be heavily roasted or charred but the inner part with be lighter, so it's not cooking evenly. The first hit wont be much usually because the SS tip needs to heatsoak, but I can typically get 5 to 7 solid hits off the M fully packed. Try a smaller flame, and use it toward the bottom of the cap with the flame angled up slightly to cover the surface of the cap. Rotate steadily, either back and forth or in one direction, just make sure you're rotating 360 degrees. And respect the click! You'll get it down soon enough and then it will be second nature for you

 

[wiz4769]

I am one of the new users of the Dynavap, I saw all the momentum in this forum, my VAS took over, and I ordered an M with the 420 sale. I've used it now for 1-2 weeks and I am just am not impressed, perhaps I'm doing something wrong. A typical session for me goes like this, first time heat up I get some flavor, no cloud, but a little flavor. Second time heatup I get 1 or 2 decent hits, lousy taste. Third heatup, not much of anything. I keep my finger over the carb the entire time, or I get nothing. It seems like a lot of work and inconsistent results. How do I clean my cap, the torch is taking its toll on it?
Thanks

You will have to just keep practicing and change things up, use different torch, where you heat cap, how bud is broken up or not. I might of gotten lucky, but seriously, I get giant hits each pull I take, the first hit is the wispiest of the hits, but also tastes the best. The next 2-3 hits are all right on the edge of me coughing if I dont add a little finesse to the carb. I keep it closed and barely let air in like 2 times during the hit. Huge cloud every time. I use a single torch, start heating near end of VC. Then next hit I move about to center cap, then next I am close to the other end of the cap. Very consistent and repeatable each time. By this point It will taste like burnt popcorn and I dump it if a stir is not gonna fix it.

 

[invertedisdead]

I've been enjoying concentrates with my Vapcap lately. My usual material had been flowers and hash. But after reading of @herbivore21 s love of concentrates and how convenient and efficient the Vapcap rose to the challenge, I dove right in.

I started with a S&B concentrate pad, a pair of flat nosed pliers, sharp side cutters and of course my beloved Omnivap.

I compressed the sides of the disk shaped pad until it became a cylinder shape with the diameter of the Omni herb chamber.

The cylinder ended up being about twice as long as the chamber is deep. So I cut it in half.

One pad is stuffed into the chamber and the other is put away for another day.

Top the pad with the concentrate of choice - here we have Girl Scout Cookie wax - and you have yourself set up in tokes for a good long while.

I find this super convenient. I'll take my Omni out while I work around outside. Every couple of hours I heat the Omni past the click for 2-3 seconds, take a nice full thick toke and carry on with hauling hay, weeding, planting, whatever. Yesterday I spent the day clearing tent caterpillars from the fruit trees and squishing them mercilessly on a rock. Yuck! I hate those bastards!

The concentrate lasts all day long. One toke at a time. An all day sucker. It's fantastic!

Nice! I made mine with a volcano concentrate pad which started off way bigger, that looks like it's much easier to trim down. Been running sift and rosin in my cap lately with excellent results

 

[Squiby]

A typical session for me goes like this, first time heat up I get some flavor, no cloud, but a little flavor. Second time heatup I get 1 or 2 decent hits, lousy taste. Third heatup, not much of anything. I keep my finger over the carb the entire time, or I get nothing. It seems like a lot of work and inconsistent results. How do I clean my cap, the torch is taking its toll on it?
Thanks

Be patient, once you get onto it, you'll love it. After several vapes I discovered the Vapcap. I only use Vapcaps now, have been for over a year. LOVE THEM!

Many factors come into play to get the effect you want and there are several great approaches for each. The Vapcap is an intensely personal, manually driven vape. To help you get there, can you answer some questions?
- what are using to heat your Vapcap?
- how long is the flame?
- how close do you apply the flame?
- where do you apply the flame?
- what material are you vaping? Hash? Flower? Dry? Moist? Concentrates?

The caps shouldn't need cleaning. My year old caps have been used every day, several times a day all that time and have developed a nice patina and they have never been cleaned nor needed it. If you want to restore your cap to shiny new stainless steel condition, I think someone mentioned toothpaste a while back. That might work.

If you feel the torch is "taking its toll" on the cap and damaging it or negatively affecting it in some way, I think that your heating technique may need some tweaking.

You may be heating too quickly with a high flame set too close to the cap.

I recommend a multi jet lighter for the beginner. Set the flame height adjustment to the lowest possible setting without the lighter going out. Apply the flame to the lower half of the cap so that the clicking disks that are set into the top of the cap take longer to heat, buckle and click. This results in a higher chamber temperature. Let the blue inner flame just lick the cap. Stop at the click and toke. With each successive heating cycle move the flame closer to the top of the cap.

Dry materials need less heat so they do well with the being heated higher and moisture material can take more heat with the flame staying lower on the cap. Hash and concentrates need even higher temps and a flame low on the cap heating 2-3 seconds past the click.

Another technique that some enjoy involves preheating the chamber. I haven't tried it, but I'm sure someone will explain it more fully.

 

[mucsusn]

Be patient, once you get onto it, you'll love it. After several vapes I discovered the Vapcap. I only use Vapcaps now, have been for over a year. LOVE THEM!

Many factors come into play to get the effect you want and there are several great approaches for each. The Vapcap is an intensely personal, manually driven vape. To help you get there, can you answer some questions?
- what are using to heat your Vapcap?
- how long is the flame?
- how close do you apply the flame?
- where do you apply the flame?
- what material are you vaping? Hash? Flower? Dry? Moist? Concentrates?

The caps shouldn't need cleaning. My year old caps have been used every day, several times a day all that time and have developed a nice patina and they have never been cleaned nor needed it. If you want to restore your cap to shiny new stainless steel condition, I think someone mentioned toothpaste a while back. That might work.

If you feel the torch is "taking its toll" on the cap and damaging it or negatively affecting it in some way, I think that your heating technique may need some tweaking.

You may be heating too quickly with a high flame set too close to the cap.

I recommend a multi jet lighter for the beginner. Set the flame height adjustment to the lowest possible setting without the lighter going out. Apply the flame to the lower half of the cap so that the clicking disks that are set into the top of the cap take longer to heat, buckle and click. This results in a higher chamber temperature. Let the blue inner flame just lick the cap. Stop at the click and toke. With each successive heating cycle move the flame closer to the top of the cap.

Dry materials need less heat so they do well with the being heated higher and moisture material can take more heat with the flame staying lower on the cap. Hash and concentrates need even higher temps and a flame low on the cap heating 2-3 seconds past the click.

Another technique that some enjoy involves preheating the chamber. I haven't tried it, but I'm sure someone will explain it more fully.

Regarding preheating the chamber, for me it helps get the first hit going a little better than without the preheat.......i.e. I get great flavor and good vapor on the first hit. As a lung puller, I go one hit click to click. For my preheat, I give it 3 or 4 seconds, then wait 15-30 seconds. The tip gets a chance to warm up and equalize, so that the ensuing first click really gets that load off to a great start. Everyone is different, and in this fast moving thread you'll find literally dozens of techniques and styles. The essential beauty of this beast! Keep experimenting, that is half of the fun!

 

[DorianGray]

I received my 2 magnets today. Unfortunately, they are both useless.

I purchased this one:

• Dimensions: 3/4" dia. x 3/8" thick
• Tolerances: ±0.004" x ±0.004"
• Material: NdFeB, Grade N42
• Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
• Magnetization Direction: Diametrical
• Weight: 0.72 oz. (20.4 g)
• Pull Force, Case 1: 10.73 lbs
• Pull Force, Case 2: 15.06 lbs

result: It barely keeps the vapcap straight up.


And this one:

• Dimensions: 3/4" x 3/4" x 1/8" thick
• Tolerances: ±0.004" x ±0.004" x ±0.004"
• Material: NdFeB, Grade N52
• Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
• Magnetization Direction: Thru Thickness
• Weight: 0.305 oz. (8.64 g)
• Pull Force, Case 1: 13.53 lbs
• Pull Force, Case 2: 54.68 lbs

result: doesn't even keep the vapcap straight up



They are extremely attracted to each other. I placed them about half a foot apart and they slammed into each other causing the square magnet to break in many pieces. I'm baffled as to how they can be so viciously attracted to each other but seem to almost repel the vapcap. I'm not convinced that diametrical magnets are the solution.
That's a total of 5 different magnets I've tried. None of the them come even close to pulling the cap off and only 2 of them can keep the vapcap up. I'm done with the magnets for a while.

 

[jambandphan03]

I was wondering how the magnet that is on the DV website behaves, does it push to the edge or does it just grab where you set it? I am guessing it has enough pull to remove the cap as well. I have a hard time using my magnets that I had already, they pull from one side like most of the ones recently discussed, and though the cap sticks it doesn't seem to have enough pull power to get the cap to slide off most of the time. Once in a while I can get it to work the way I want. So now I am curious about the ones being sold by DV. Also, I have one on order from ebay, its 9mm x 9mm x 9mm cube for about $2 shipped so hopefully that will be enough to grab and stick. We will have to wait a while to find out because it's on the slow boat. Maybe a couple weeks if I'm lucky. After seeing how much people are putting into finding alternative magnets, it has me wondering why we are not just buying the one on the DV site.

 

[Winegums]

I've been enjoying concentrates with my Vapcap lately. My usual material had been flowers and hash. But after reading of @herbivore21 s love of concentrates and how convenient and efficient the Vapcap rose to the challenge, I dove right in.

I started with a S&B concentrate pad, a pair of flat nosed pliers, sharp side cutters and of course my beloved Omnivap.

I compressed the sides of the disk shaped pad until it became a cylinder shape with the diameter of the Omni herb chamber.

The cylinder ended up being about twice as long as the chamber is deep. So I cut it in half.

One pad is stuffed into the chamber and the other is put away for another day.

Top the pad with the concentrate of choice - here we have Girl Scout Cookie wax - and you have yourself set up in tokes for a good long while.

I find this super convenient. I'll take my Omni out while I work around outside. Every couple of hours I heat the Omni past the click for 2-3 seconds, take a nice full thick toke and carry on with hauling hay, weeding, planting, whatever. Yesterday I spent the day clearing tent caterpillars from the fruit trees and squishing them mercilessly on a rock. Yuck! I hate those bastards!

The concentrate lasts all day long. One toke at a time. An all day sucker. It's fantastic!

I've been running a similar setup with a whole bunch of SS screens rolled into a cylinder shape, and some hemp fibre w/Ti CCD added to the very top to keep the SS pad clean.

I tend to do single hits with a 2mm drop of concentrate and it milks my water pieces. Metal mesh is the way to go.

 

[phattpiggie]

@PPN and @Squiby what torches are you using? @herbivore21 and yourself, how many jets on your torches.

I've stuck with a triple, single jet 4-5mm back from the cap end, double on the digger side.
I only ran some reclaim as concentrates are like rocking horse shit over here.
I soaked the pad I made and it lasted all day.
I didn't heat beyond the click, it produced big clouds of Iso 'reclaim' flavoured vapor


As a 30 year UK user I have to say some of you people have got it so good, every time I see posts of concentrates my mouth waters, it's been a long time.
Oh to be @ccchase420's guest on Terpy Tuesday or drop in on @herbivore21, my tolerance is so low these days I'd be shit faced as soon as the terps hit me let alone any vapor

No carbs in my personal stems or the segmented ones I make, I do put them in others but my drill press isn't good enough to do the segmented as @little maggie found out, luckily the stem she wanted was with @VapCap and they did it, many thanks.

Those who need the carb may not need the full VC size of 2mm, moving the X ring in the centre to partially cover the carb will allow for the users to find their ideal vapor/air ratio.

I smoked mouth to lung for the best part of 30 years, this is why I've taken to the VC so well. I regulate the vapor/air ratio on the inhale, cant' explain how, it's a learned behaviour type thing.
My upper respiratory system doesn't cope well with a straight inhale.

The OG, Ti1 and Ti2 needed the carb to create the venturi effect behind the screen, the pressure drop helped pull the vapor from the bowl. Ti4 has enough flow for most to get a comfortable draw.

The M is half way between the Ti4 and Ti2 in terms of flow. The rifling is wider and deeper allowing more fresh air thru, but not as much as Ti4.

I've found the M to be a little more forgiving in terms of combustion, not even been close.
The SS tip is not absorbing the heat as quickly so my AVB is coming out a lighter colour.
It also stays hot for longer after use as it gives up the heat slower than the Ti4.

My advice is the same as others, practice and you'll get it. Try and keep things as consistent as you can and it'll happen. If you do change things do it one at a time.

 

[stardustsailor]

I received my 2 magnets today. Unfortunately, they are both useless.

I purchased this one:

• Dimensions: 3/4" dia. x 3/8" thick
• Tolerances: ±0.004" x ±0.004"
• Material: NdFeB, Grade N42
• Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
• Magnetization Direction: Diametrical
• Weight: 0.72 oz. (20.4 g)
• Pull Force, Case 1: 10.73 lbs
• Pull Force, Case 2: 15.06 lbs

result: It barely keeps the vapcap straight up.


And this one:

• Dimensions: 3/4" x 3/4" x 1/8" thick
• Tolerances: ±0.004" x ±0.004" x ±0.004"
• Material: NdFeB, Grade N52
• Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
• Magnetization Direction: Thru Thickness
• Weight: 0.305 oz. (8.64 g)
• Pull Force, Case 1: 13.53 lbs
• Pull Force, Case 2: 54.68 lbs

result: doesn't even keep the vapcap straight up



They are extremely attracted to each other. I placed them about half a foot apart and they slammed into each other causing the square magnet to break in many pieces. I'm baffled as to how they can be so viciously attracted to each other but seem to almost repel the vapcap. I'm not convinced that diametrical magnets are the solution.
That's a total of 5 different magnets I've tried. None of the them come even close to pulling the cap off and only 2 of them can keep the vapcap up. I'm done with the magnets for a while.

Please,allow me to unfold my thoughts on the issue.

I've done my share experimenting with rare earth magnets and some caps.
And I think I've solved some things which were troubling me .

First of all the material that the cap is made of :

The cap itself it's just slightly ferromagnetic.
All my caps ,even one which is totally unused behaved the same .
The scoop just barely shows magnetic behaviour ,
even with the strongest Neodymium magnets that I've used.

Read here about stainless steel types and their magnetic behaviour :
http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=3

So my hard guess is that the cap is made most probably of some kind of austenitic stainless steel.
"But austenitic stainless steel alloys do not have any magnetic properties ,
while the cap has a slight ferromagnetic behaviour " , you might wonder then ..

Yes ,but :
(...)
Cold Work and Heat Treatment Effects
Cold working of austenitic stainless steels can partially transform austenite to martensite.
As martensite is "ferromagnetic" this means that austenitic types which would be
expected not attract a magnet can show a degree of "pull".This usually occurs at sharp corners,
sheared edges or machined surfaces but can be detected on wrought products
such as rods or bars which may have been cold straightened,
following the final hot rolling or annealing in the mill.
The degree to which this occurs depends on the compositional effects of austenite
stabilising elements noted above,high nickel or nitrogen bearing grades tolerating more
cold working before localised increases in permeability are noticed.
These increases in permeability can be reversed by a full solution annealing (at temperatures around 1050 / 1100°C with rapid cooling). This transforms any cold-formed martensite back to austenite, the non-magnetic phase, which is then retained on cooling.
The best austenitic stainless steel types for low permeability applications are those with
high austenite stability as these have low permeability in both annealed or cold worked
conditions.
These include the nitrogen bearing types,304LN (1.4311) and 316LN (1.4406) or the
high nickel types such as 310 (1.4845).
(...)

Source: http://www.bssa.org.uk/cms/File/SSAS2.81-Magnetic Properties.pdf

So if I'm right and the cap is made out of some austenitic stainless steel ,
which has a slight magnetic behaviour ,then is the cold working of the steel sheet that took place in order to be formed into a cap,that gives (light) ferromagnetic properties to the latter.
And if so,by using a jet lighter to heat the cap and the rapid cooling it ,will decrease
the ferromagnetic properties of the cap back to null !

So the cap itself is unable to hold upright the rest of any given VC -that is plugged into the former -on a magnet.Even if the cap is brand new and unused.
No matter the type of the magnet .

And I'm afraid that this is an actual fact.
But then how on earth the dynastash magnets do hold upright any given VC ?

Again I'm hard guessing ,but most probably George can prove me right on that one .

IT's the "clickers" that do the job .
It's the low expansion side (the non-visible side )of the bimetallic discs used that is ferromagnetic.
( Make sure that you are in a total silent environment.
Bring close a strong magnet to the cap end and hear the clickers move !)

So ,if no magnet can hold your VC or even solely the cap * ....
Then you should read the third part of this post :
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-620#post-1120664

Spoiler: * ...it's a good sign that :

1 )You don't respect the click and overheat quite often.
and/or
2) You heat usually /oftenly very close to the clickers .

EDIT : Maybe a strong magnet or a strong magnetic field applied ,
can bring back to life "dead" or faint " clickers " (aka bimetallic discs ) .
Somebody with a dead cap , can give it a try and test it ,to confirm if it works or not.

 

[invertedisdead]

@phattpiggie Have you tried the rosin technique on some of your herbs? Opens up concentrate access to the world.

 

[Shannock]

Hey @phattpiggie I know what you mean about pics of people's leagally purchased stashes, I can't go near the picture threads for pure jealousy!

I know nothing beyond the basics as far as magnets are concerned so solved any issues by buying from Dynavap

Happy to give my money to @VapCap and save myself the bother.

 

[Squiby]

@Squiby what torches are you using?

I go from one extreme to another. My favorite "go to" lighters are.

A Honest brand desk top quad lighter. I use this lighter in the house. The flame is set really low and I can rest my Vapcap on the lid as I twirl. It has a huge tank that lasts a good long time. I like it so much that I bought another for back up.

A cylindrical flint single jet lighter. I use this both indoors and out. It has a small tank but it fits in the Vapcap pouch perfectly and will also fit into the Dynastash if you bore out the stash compartment.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/111926427780?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I smoked mouth to lung for the best part of 30 years, this is why I've taken to the VC so well. I regulate the vapor/air ratio on the inhale, cant' explain how, it's a learned behaviour type thing.
My upper respiratory system doesn't cope well with a straight inhale.

I'm with you there. A straight toke inhaled directly into the lungs is way way too irritating. The mouthpull is super smooth and a more natural breathing technique. I pull vapor into my mouth then at the end of the puff, open my mouth slightly and inhale fresh cool air along with the vapor.

 

[jambandphan03]

I go from one extreme to another. My favorite "go to" lighters are.

A Honest brand desk top quad lighter. I use this lighter in the house. The flame is set really low and I can rest my Vapcap on the lid as I twirl. It has a huge tank that lasts a good long time. I like it so much that I bought another for back up.

A cylindrical flint single jet lighter. I use this both indoors and out. It has a small tank but it fits in the Vapcap pouch perfectly and will also fit into the Dynastash if you bore out the stash compartment.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/111926427780?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT



I'm with you there. A straight toke inhaled directly into the lungs is way way too irritating. The mouthpull is super smooth and a more natural breathing technique. I pull vapor into my mouth then at the end of the puff, open my mouth slightly and inhale fresh cool air along with the vapor.

I've been looking at this one, would probably get it, but I already have a pile of torches of various sizes. Good to hear it works well, if I ever decide to get it. My favorite has been my 3 flame with flip cap, I use the cap as a rest to spin on like you are with this desk model. Seems to line up the triangle with the 2 jets at the bottom, single on top, and is the perfect distance with the flame dialed back on the lower side. I've had to force myself to stop looking at torches, I have so many now, its ridiculous.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1X-Triple-J...671996?hash=item4d5867afbc:g:qW8AAOSwyTZUVL~M

 

[phattpiggie]

@invertedisdead I bought some hair straightners the other day.
I got a Honey Bee Extractor when they first came out and used to gas trim.
It was all new back in 2003 and wow. And wow again as to where it's progressed.

One day @Shannock, one day.

@Squiby I meant for the concentrate, I can see a single needing the extra time but I didn't need to with my triple.
Maybe reclaim is different and requires less heat.

I saw a video in the concentrate thread of some guy coughing his ring up after a multiple dab session.
You cough for all the wrong reasons, it doesn't mean you've got good gear or because it gets you off your head better, you've irritated your airways and it's the bodies natural defence.
More harm than good in the long run.

If there is vapor left in the bowl and my lungs are full I'll exhale thru my nose as I fill my mouth, 'circular breathing', until it's all gone, tickles like mad sometimes.

 

[invertedisdead]

@invertedisdead I bought some hair straightners the other day.
I got a Honey Bee Extractor when they first came out and used to gas trim.
It was all new back in 2003 and wow. And wow again as to where it's progressed.

One day @Shannock, one day.

@Squiby I meant for the concentrate, I can see a single needing the extra time but I didn't need to with my triple.
Maybe reclaim is different and requires less heat.

I saw a video in the concentrate thread of some guy coughing his ring up after a multiple dab session.
You cough for all the wrong reasons, it doesn't mean you've got good gear or because it gets you off your head better, you've irritated your airways and it's the bodies natural defence.
More harm than good in the long run.

If there is vapor left in the bowl and my lungs are full I'll exhale thru my nose as I fill my mouth, 'circular breathing', until it's all gone, tickles like mad sometimes.

I took a straightener apart and epoxied the plates to a wood backing board, which was then hot glued to a bench vise.

Yesterday's low temp squish

 

[Squiby]

@Squiby I meant for the concentrate, I can see a single needing the extra time but I didn't need to with my triple.
Maybe reclaim is different and requires less heat.

Yep. I use them both for concentrates. Be it hash, shatter, butter, wax or rosin, my technique is the same; I heat a couple seconds past the click.

The single jet aims at the bottom third of the cap. I zig zag the flame, back and forth over that area as I twirl.

The quad is a lazy dazy approach. I just rest the Vapcap on the lid and rotate back and forth.

I love sativa concentrates! The energetic high is that much more crisp and clearheaded. Perfect for daytime chores out and about. I think that that's where it's at as far as concentrates are concerned. It's a different high. I love flowers too, but I save them now for the evening, after the days work is done.

I'm going to start squishing my own if I can decide on a hair straightener brand, width and durability.

 

[herbivore21]

I've been enjoying concentrates with my Vapcap lately. My usual material had been flowers and hash. But after reading of @herbivore21 s love of concentrates and how convenient and efficient the Vapcap rose to the challenge, I dove right in.

I started with a S&B concentrate pad, a pair of flat nosed pliers, sharp side cutters and of course my beloved Omnivap.

I compressed the sides of the disk shaped pad until it became a cylinder shape with the diameter of the Omni herb chamber.

The cylinder ended up being about twice as long as the chamber is deep. So I cut it in half.

One pad is stuffed into the chamber and the other is put away for another day.

Top the pad with the concentrate of choice - here we have Girl Scout Cookie wax - and you have yourself set up in tokes for a good long while.

I find this super convenient. I'll take my Omni out while I work around outside. Every couple of hours I heat the Omni past the click for 2-3 seconds, take a nice full thick toke and carry on with hauling hay, weeding, planting, whatever. Yesterday I spent the day clearing tent caterpillars from the fruit trees and squishing them mercilessly on a rock. Yuck! I hate those bastards!

The concentrate lasts all day long. One toke at a time. An all day sucker. It's fantastic!

You got it my friend, that is exactly what I am using! Thanks for sharing this!

@PPN and @Squiby what torches are you using? @herbivore21 and yourself, how many jets on your torches.

I've stuck with a triple, single jet 4-5mm back from the cap end, double on the digger side.
I only ran some reclaim as concentrates are like rocking horse shit over here.
I soaked the pad I made and it lasted all day.
I didn't heat beyond the click, it produced big clouds of Iso 'reclaim' flavoured vapor


As a 30 year UK user I have to say some of you people have got it so good, every time I see posts of concentrates my mouth waters, it's been a long time.
Oh to be @ccchase420's guest on Terpy Tuesday or drop in on @herbivore21, my tolerance is so low these days I'd be shit faced as soon as the terps hit me let alone any vapor

I've found the M to be a little more forgiving in terms of combustion, not even been close.
The SS tip is not absorbing the heat as quickly so my AVB is coming out a lighter colour.
It also stays hot for longer after use as it gives up the heat slower than the Ti4.

I use the triple torch lighters most of the time brother. Sometimes I use all 3 jets across the cap starting at the top (not as far down to the digger tool as you, for fear of messing with the o-rings). Otherwise, I turn the jets around so that only the middle flame hits the centre of the cap, while the other two flames are on either side of it not really hitting the cap.

Both techniques work well IME!

I have also found the M to be more forgiving than the omni for combustion. Once or twice, I didn't hear the click properly and went a good 3 seconds past the click with a load of flowers in my M. Insane clouds of what I thought were surely smoke were leaking out of the cap. To my surprise, I sheepishly inhaled and realized that I had not combusted at all! That was whitewall vapor!

Also take heart my friend, although it may seem as if concentrates like what I use are out of reach, I promise you that you could achieve great results if you can only get good flower. I make everything that I dab, and there ain't no reason why you couldn't learn to do the same If you ever need a hand, drop me a line sir. I do highly recommend getting yourself a rosin setup

 

[jds]

I have also found the M to be more forgiving than the omni for combustion. Once or twice, I didn't hear the click properly and went a good 3 seconds past the click with a load of flowers in my M. Insane clouds of what I thought were surely smoke were leaking out of the cap. To my surprise, I sheepishly inhaled and realized that I had not combusted at all! That was whitewall vapor!

That reminds me, sometimes I get vapor so thick that I think I accidentally combusted. The last time, I urgently took the cap off using the magnet and looked inside, and nope, no ashes or burnt herb. I've only had the M do this and not the Omni.

 

[herbivore21]

That reminds me, sometimes I get vapor so thick that I think I accidentally combusted. The last time, I urgently took the cap off using the magnet and looked inside, and nope, no ashes or burnt herb. I've only had the M do this and not the Omni.

I've done this on the Omni too, but rarely. The M definitely seems to lend itself to this result more than the omni as you say

 

[little maggie]

@PPN and @Squiby what torches are you using? @herbivore21 and yourself, how many jets on your torches.

I've stuck with a triple, single jet 4-5mm back from the cap end, double on the digger side.
I only ran some reclaim as concentrates are like rocking horse shit over here.
I soaked the pad I made and it lasted all day.
I didn't heat beyond the click, it produced big clouds of Iso 'reclaim' flavoured vapor


As a 30 year UK user I have to say some of you people have got it so good, every time I see posts of concentrates my mouth waters, it's been a long time.
Oh to be @ccchase420's guest on Terpy Tuesday or drop in on @herbivore21, my tolerance is so low these days I'd be shit faced as soon as the terps hit me let alone any vapor

No carbs in my personal stems or the segmented ones I make, I do put them in others but my drill press isn't good enough to do the segmented as @little maggie found out, luckily the stem she wanted was with @VapCap and they did it, many thanks.

Those who need the carb may not need the full VC size of 2mm, moving the X ring in the centre to partially cover the carb will allow for the users to find their ideal vapor/air ratio.

I smoked mouth to lung for the best part of 30 years, this is why I've taken to the VC so well. I regulate the vapor/air ratio on the inhale, cant' explain how, it's a learned behaviour type thing.
My upper respiratory system doesn't cope well with a straight inhale.

The OG, Ti1 and Ti2 needed the carb to create the venturi effect behind the screen, the pressure drop helped pull the vapor from the bowl. Ti4 has enough flow for most to get a comfortable draw.

The M is half way between the Ti4 and Ti2 in terms of flow. The rifling is wider and deeper allowing more fresh air thru, but not as much as Ti4.

I've found the M to be a little more forgiving in terms of combustion, not even been close.
The SS tip is not absorbing the heat as quickly so my AVB is coming out a lighter colour.
It also stays hot for longer after use as it gives up the heat slower than the Ti4.

My advice is the same as others, practice and you'll get it. Try and keep things as consistent as you can and it'll happen. If you do change things do it one at a time.

I'm not sure which ones you make have carbs and which don't. My lovely long wood one has a carb.
I think it would be easiest for all stems to have carbs, if possible. Those who don't want them can just cover them.

 

[needalift]

Got this in the mail today ..

New @phattpiggie piece . I am so happy with this !! Performs and looks amazing ! The pic is not the best , but believe that this thing is impressive .
@little maggie , for me , I really enjoy @phattpiggie 's pieces without the carb . Both that I have got from him function great and the draw is easy , but not too light . Better than a standard vapcap with a closed carb .

 

[CuckFumbustion]

I find my M hits a little rougher than Ti (or OG), but not too bad. There is a slight taste difference, tho. I have attributed it to the SS tip - but not really sure. I often go out with 3 loaded (usually OMNI, Ti Woody & M) and can taste/feel a little difference with each.

I'd like to hear more about these taste differences. I do taste SS when I say store water in an SS container or use an SS coffee thermos.

My only experiences w/ dry-herb vapes are with my Omni and a first-issue M; one of the things I've noticed is that you can't heat a Ti tip and an SS tip the same way & get consistent results from device to device.

I've found that between my two 'M's. The cap on one feels tighter and can heat up quickly with an ordinary butane lighter. Had to also remove a ring from the tip for it to behave with the but but in a different placement. Not complaining just explaining how these two are different from each other.

Ti tips heat up and cool down faster than SS tips .
How that's possible ?

Well ,yes.It's quite normal.

Figured the SS and Ti would have the different heat profiles like say with camp cookware. I might prefer SS in high wind situations, when I have to work to keep a flame going.

I love my Omni, the mouthpiece and condenser piece is a well made unit that is a breeze to remove and replace with o-rings always going right where you want with no chance of sticking and the condenser keep sliding in. After alot of tries at different depths of adjustment, I prefer it wide open and just feathering the airport (flauta) as I do with the other VC's. I could not dial in a set it and forget carb free setting, so I'm guessing I am not a carbless VC'er.
In other news, found this sweet waterproof case by Plano, perfect for Summer time fun or just packing for a long day.
Got this in the Wal-Mart fishing department for $6.00.

I own a CFX and if it is waterproof enough for where I'm going, maybe I'll bite. What is that black 'Dynavap' thingy next to the ELB?

arthritis sufferers rejoice

no seriously, my finger dexterity isnt what it used to be either.. so when i first got my vapcap i thought, how can i do this without spinning in my hands.

take your vapcap and lay it on the counter or table, with the cap hanging off the edge of the table. place your hand ontop and roll it back and forth. light your lighter with other hand, and move it back and forth so the flame stays under the vapcap as you move them both back and forth together.

i crafted an image, its easier to understand this way..

this should work anywhere you can find a small flat surface

So yo lock your torch and use the flat of your hand. I'll try to think of other method that might be more hand friendly. Did put a silicone ring on my 'M' so you can roll it with your thumb and fore fingers. But yours is better if you have a surface to use. Any other ideas FCers?

I'll heat either until or just before the first click, as soon as it's clicked I'll force the cool click and then heat to the click again before drawing on it.
Still got to keep trying it but so far it's had better flavor and vapor and 3 heat cycles.

 

[$unnyblaq]

This week I worked knowingly that I was gonna throw 110 to dynavap for a TI carbon fiber XL and Im gonna see if I can get a carbon fiber MP to complete it can't wait but wanted to ask how smooth is it compared to the M and ease of clean/ what to use will post pics asap

 

[SloJimFizz]

I own a CFX and if it is waterproof enough for where I'm going, maybe I'll bite. What is that black 'Dynavap' thingy next to the ELB?

That is a small Snap Stash that Arielle put my Ti tip in when shipping it to me.
Great little stash and smaller than my previous one and easy to open. Easy to lose the handle on it though. Did it while open.

@Squiby and people w/ S&B accessories lying around
I'm guessing the liquid pad that came with my Plenty reducing chamber is the same as your Mighty/crafty liquid pad that you cut up. I only have one of those, and one large liquid pad,so I dont want to cut those up. But the little liquid pad that is inside the S&B dosing capsules for concentrates, I have 8 of them. So I could afford to lose one for work. After cutting it though, it was shedding little steel fibers all over the place and the two halfs were pretty much useless . Those little pads in the dosing capsules are too fine a fiber for that. So if anyone was wondering, dont bother cutting those up for making a dab backstop. Guess I'll have to keep doing my dabs sandwiched in weed through my OG.