My_50p_worth
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I had an old cap that had that same gap between clicks, oh man she was something special. Not had one like it since, I wonder what made it perform so good
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Demonic chronic
Chronic Connoisseur. Butane power✊🏴🇺🇦
It’s the only cap of many I have that act like that, it came with my omnivong originally. Aye she’s special, my favourite daily cap she is.
BallzMcVinegar
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It really is frustrating that they still havent gone back to the original recipe of the cap for the non-captive caps. These new ones just arent the same. Ive tried to like the captive caps and give it a shot once or twice a year but they arent even close to the same results. Ine of my OG caps is starting to click late. I hope it isnt on its last legs and just needs a deep cleaning.
Demonic chronic
Chronic Connoisseur. Butane power✊🏴🇺🇦
I absolutely hate the captives, they produce wispy Vapor at best, the older caps do seem to produce much better results for me anyways, even the new standard caps seem pretty tame compared with my old caps.
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Greenleaf88
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I have been saying this since the day they made the captive cap, they tried fixing a problem that ppl couldn't figure out for a worse solution. I have 4 og caps oldest one from 2018 and they all are what I use. If I were to order a cap it would be the og
My_50p_worth
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I think a big part of the captive cap issue is that it’s got a smaller contact patch with the tip. These devices are very heavily conduction biased, so that contact patch should be as large as possible. Evidenced by how someone can use a ‘22 captive and non captive and get such drastic difference in results.
Combine that with the new cap formula and you’ve got these new caps that are just not like the “good old days” ESPECIALLY with an IH
Why George can’t just have a small line of old caps and tips for sale is beyond me, there’s a very obvious and significant market for it - both this thread and the subreddit constantly bring up the OG caps and older tips
@BallzMcVinegar if you get an ultrasonic cleaner, use that and some ISO and it will often revive even the most dead of caps. So much crap gets inside the clicker over time, you’ll be surprised how brown the ISO often comes out
Combine that with the new cap formula and you’ve got these new caps that are just not like the “good old days” ESPECIALLY with an IH
Why George can’t just have a small line of old caps and tips for sale is beyond me, there’s a very obvious and significant market for it - both this thread and the subreddit constantly bring up the OG caps and older tips
@BallzMcVinegar if you get an ultrasonic cleaner, use that and some ISO and it will often revive even the most dead of caps. So much crap gets inside the clicker over time, you’ll be surprised how brown the ISO often comes out
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Thunderbelch
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I've always wondered about the difference in clicks. If they're using 2 of the same bimetal discs in a cap (vs two actual different temp ones), the variance in the gap between the clicks is probably a good indication of the temp variance from one cap to another, even within the same generation.
Of course it could also be that they click at the same temperature, but heat up at different rates (ie: top disc has more contact with cap and thus heats faster).
Of course it could also be that they click at the same temperature, but heat up at different rates (ie: top disc has more contact with cap and thus heats faster).
BallzMcVinegar
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Thanks for the suggestion. I normally dont complain about the caps because it seems the topic gets brought up plenty but with this one cap starting to show its age has me kinda worried that Im going to get stuck using these captive caps at some point and making the devise underwhelming.
TommyDee
Vaporitor
Dynavap exchange on Reddit @BallzMcVinegar I've been collecting backup vintage caps for this very reason.
HyDrOpOnIc1987
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I think i saw that The Herb Cafe sells non captive caps. Not sure if they would work as well since i havent tried a dyna yet. Waiting on mine in the mail
Also, apologies if i wasnt supposed to mention retailers in a thread. Still getting used to all the rules here
trying though lol
Demonic chronic
Chronic Connoisseur. Butane power✊🏴🇺🇦
I’ve reached out to dynavap and suggested they bring these older caps back because there is clearly a market for them, I’d buy nothing but them
, told them these new caps produce wispy Vapor in comparison so let just hope dynavap listen to what we want
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@HyDrOpOnIc1987 the current standard caps non captive caps are useless, I bought 1 recently and again all it does is produces wispy Vapor so it’s never used, almost similar to a captive actually.
, told them these new caps produce wispy Vapor in comparison so let just hope dynavap listen to what we want.@HyDrOpOnIc1987 the current standard caps non captive caps are useless, I bought 1 recently and again all it does is produces wispy Vapor so it’s never used, almost similar to a captive actually.
Vape Cloud City
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I think more of us may need to start really doing something like this to get through. The times I've seen the caps brought up on Tea Time and other places, George dismisses it saying the only difference are the indents and we all know that isn't the only difference.I’ve reached out to dynavap and suggested they bring these older caps back because there is clearly a market for them, I’d buy nothing but them
My_50p_worth
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Oh man it’s even deeper than that. Some time around 2019 George changed ALL the caps by modifying the metal alloy used. You’ll hit one of the OG caps one day and you’ll knowI think i saw that The Herb Cafe sells non captive caps. Not sure if they would work as well since i havent tried a dyna yet. Waiting on mine in the mail
Also, apologies if i wasnt supposed to mention retailers in a thread. Still getting used to all the rules here
@Demonic chronic I really hope it works man, I might be remembering wrong but someone tried bringing it up with George and he claimed there was no difference.. don’t quote me on that one though!
@TommyDee Can’t believe you would share the secret source of backup OG caps and increase the competition for them
Demonic chronic
Chronic Connoisseur. Butane power✊🏴🇺🇦
Oh man it’s even deeper than that. Some time around 2019 George changed ALL the caps by modifying the metal alloy used. You’ll hit one of the OG caps one day and you’ll know
@Demonic chronic I really hope it works man, I might be remembering wrong but someone tried bringing it up with George and he claimed there was no difference.. don’t quote me on that one though!
@TommyDee Can’t believe you would share the secret source of backup OG caps and increase the competition for them
Crazy There is 100% a difference maybe if George tried an og cap and then new much tamer caps nowadays he would soon know.
Bad Dog
Yeah I pissed on the rug...... so what
has anyone ever tried torching the tip uncapped for like maybe 5 sec give or take than cap and heat? was wondering if this could work for the 21 m I sent @HyDrOpOnIc1987
GoldenBud
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i think it happend to all heavy users, but not for 5 seconds, maybe 1-3, it's spooky to find out you forgot the cap!
HyDrOpOnIc1987
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@Bad Dog is trying to figure out if i were to heat the tip uncapped for X amount of seconds, could it be used as a work around for the new tips not heating as effeciently?
We were talking amongst ourselves in chat, hence why i know lol
coolbreeze
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I watched a vid recently where the guy 'preheated' the fin area on his vong, I think it was, by sweeping over it a few times early in the heatup. I wish I could remember where I saw it so I could link it.
Vape Cloud City
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@Bad Dog is trying to figure out if i were to heat the tip uncapped for X amount of seconds, could it be used as a work around for the new tips not heating as effeciently?
We were talking amongst ourselves in chat, hence why i know lol
I've actually been experimenting with this some and I do think it works. I don't know how well because I don't do it each time, but a few good seconds of heat on the fins near the base of the bowl have absolutely given me a little bit more heat. It's something that's worth a try, you'll just need to find the sweet spot in heating time.
That’s what I used to do with my 2020M. IMHO the big heatsink is sucking all the heat out of the bowl. By heating the fins you help put the tip at equilibrium and less heat is lost through conduction down the metal.
My_50p_worth
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Try a soft flame too!
Alcohol burners are criminally underrated and are a great way to to pack the tip with even more thermal calories on click than a torch - they are a lovely chill experience as well
Alcohol burners are criminally underrated and are a great way to to pack the tip with even more thermal calories on click than a torch - they are a lovely chill experience as well
coolbreeze
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I hope we haven't set your expectations badly: I would not get tangled up in refinements of technique before you develop a basic technique. Chances are you will not have any problems at all heating your M, though some of these things will help you refine. Don't expect failure/difficulty because I think you'll find it easy and enjoyable.
