Dynavap VapCap

beyond6strings

beyond6strings

Just another traveller in the Cannaverse
@Winegums I get it. Hate to keep bringing it back to guitar analogies, but it's the world I know. This is the purpose of the 'vintage' aftermarket. Martin guitars offers lots of new 'vintage' instruments. Using the same specs from designs from '29 and such, and I've heard that some are really wonderful. But they don't sound like a '29 Martin. If you really want a '29 Martin you need to buy one made in 1929.

I bet we could find you an 'original' 7 fin somewhere on this forum; because you make a valid point; I just don't think it's reasonable to expect a craft manufacturer to 'back up' so to speak.
 
cybrguy

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Winegums said:
The reason I am looking for something that is exactly the same is because I am used to the thermal characteristics of that specific Ti design. I'm not interested in performance differences, I'd rather it look and perform the same as my other 4th Gen tips. That way I know what to expect and I can treat them all the same way when I heat them. I don't want to have to remember to treat it differently than another tip.
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Can you describe for us exactly how the Gen4 (7fin) and Gen5 (5fin) perform differently for you? I would love to quantify that in some way, but my own experience doesn't allow me to do that.
It will be interesting for me to see how much if any difference there is in the performance of the 2 7fin tips. If that pic is it than it will certainly LOOK different.
 
Kurtdigglur

Kurtdigglur

Long draws
Temperatures guide. Correct me if I'm wrong please. Only temps I could find and they seemed about right to me. I'd imagine the temps vary by user.

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cybrguy

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
mrb said:
I only have two tips that see almost daily use, and in 9 months, with aprox weekly cleaning, I've never taken the rubber rings off either the tip or (lazily) the condenser!
I leave them to soak for an average of 20min but sometimes forgetfully over night!
Still using all the original rings none have failed so far!
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Just to be clear, are these the black Viton ones? George has used at least 3 different HT Orings of different material (black, orange and grey) and they may resist ISO differently...

All the backups that I currently have (and have not yet needed) are the black ones.
 
Winegums

Winegums

I make things from wood
Accessory Maker
beyond6strings said:
@Winegums I get it. Hate to keep bringing it back to guitar analogies, but it's the world I know. This is the purpose of the 'vintage' aftermarket. Martin guitars offers lots of new 'vintage' instruments. Using the same specs from designs from '29 and such, and I've heard that some are really wonderful. But they don't sound like a '29 Martin. If you really want a '29 Martin you need to buy one made in 1929.

I bet we could find you an 'original' 7 fin somewhere on this forum; because you make a valid point; I just don't think it's reasonable to expect a craft manufacturer to 'back up' so to speak.
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The analogy breaks down when it comes to materials. The wood in a 1929 Martin guitar has changed over time and through the vibrations of playing. The wood used in a reproduction isn't even the same structurally since it isn't as old, nor did it grow in the same conditions. The glues used are different formulas and the old craftsmen that made the guitars are likely all dead.

GR2 Titanium has not changed since it was set as a manufacturing standard and manufacture of metal parts removes a lot of the natural and human touches that make something unique. A lot of the machining designs made in 1929 could be reproduced to specification today and they would perform identical to the old ones.
cybrguy said:
Can you describe for us exactly how the Gen4 (7fin) and gen 5 (5fin) perform differently for you? I would love to quantify that in some way, but my own experience doesn't allow me to do that.
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While I can't describe how a Gen 5 and Gen 4 compare, (since I don't own a Gen 5) I do have a Gen 3. It mainly has to do with the rate the tip cools down between heat cycles. I'm tuned to the Gen 4 tips such that If I use my older Gen 3 I get results that are very inconsistent and unexpected. Things like under heating and over heating happen more often. I have a strong sense of timing that I use to judge the temperature of the tip, which gets thrown off when the mass changes.
 
cybrguy

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Winegums said:
While I can't describe how a Gen 5 and Gen 4 compare, (since I don't own a Gen 5) I do have a Gen 3.
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Just as a data point, I also have a gen 3 tip, and I find much more difference between that and a 4 or 5 than between 4 and 5. In my own head I attribute that to the channel design. Other than overall mass (which translates for me to heat/cool time in this case) I see the biggest (most noticeable) difference in the channel design.

And the biggest difference by far is between Ti and SS.
 
ataxian

ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
Winegums said:
The analogy breaks down when it comes to materials. The wood in a 1929 Martin guitar has changed over time and through the vibrations of playing. The wood used in a reproduction isn't even the same structurally since it isn't as old, nor did it grow in the same conditions. The glues used are different formulas and the old craftsmen that made the guitars are likely all dead.

GR2 Titanium has not changed since it was set as a manufacturing standard and manufacture of metal parts removes a lot of the natural and human touches that make something unique. A lot of the machining designs made in 1929 could be reproduced to specification today and they would perform identical to the old ones.

While I can't describe how a Gen 5 and Gen 4 compare, (since I don't own a Gen 5) I do have a Gen 3. It mainly has to do with the rate the tip cools down between heat cycles. I'm tuned to the Gen 4 tips such that If I use my older Gen 3 I get results that are very inconsistent and unexpected. Things like under heating and over heating happen more often. I have a strong sense of timing that I use to judge the temperature of the tip, which gets thrown off when the mass changes.
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Maybe you can educate me?

I have a "M" VAPCAP and it is the best design and cost in use device that is like the BIG MAC was to McDonald's the "M" is da holy grail 4 VAPCAP.

I smoked joint's, however the "M" taste better?

From a functional standpoint is TI2 so much better than SS?

4 da application?
 
Hogni

Hogni

Honi soit qui mal y pense
Smokey McVape

Smokey McVape

Well-Known Member
beyond6strings said:
@Winegums I get it. Hate to keep bringing it back to guitar analogies, but it's the world I know. This is the purpose of the 'vintage' aftermarket. Martin guitars offers lots of new 'vintage' instruments. Using the same specs from designs from '29 and such, and I've heard that some are really wonderful. But they don't sound like a '29 Martin. If you really want a '29 Martin you need to buy one made in 1929.

I bet we could find you an 'original' 7 fin somewhere on this forum; because you make a valid point; I just don't think it's reasonable to expect a craft manufacturer to 'back up' so to speak.
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Vintage guitars is slightly different to a product being made up to a year ago. I thought that Dynavap would still have the gen 4 design and tools in house and that it would be easy to remake them to that spec in the same way.
 
Winegums

Winegums

I make things from wood
Accessory Maker
ataxian said:
Maybe you can educate me?

I have a "M" VAPCAP and it is the best design and cost in use device that is like the BIG MAC was to McDonald's the "M" is da holy grail 4 VAPCAP.

I smoked joint's, however the "M" taste better?

From a functional standpoint is TI2 so much better than SS?

4 da application?
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The Ti tips cool down much faster than the SS tip on the M. Ti also performs better on the first heat cycle versus SS as it takes less of the energy to heat. Thus more of that thermal energy can be conducted into the herb during the heating phase.

Because there’s significantly less mass in the Ti tip it cools back down to room temperature much faster. This acts as a temperature reset for the tip which lets you start at the nearly same point everytime. With the SS tip I usually end up with the temperature of the tip getting hotter and hotter between cycles. Rising temperature is kept to a minimum with the Ti.

Think of the two materials as having a different thermal “response time”. The SS is sluggish and heavy, where the Ti is responsive and light.
 
armani

armani

Professional Stoner
mrb said:
Pretty sure that what you want is coming! I've no specific info to share... But i think it's coming!

As some one else posted. The Aomai flint lighter is perfect for airplane travel. It looks like a soft flame lighter, and when empty of gas it's hard to prove is an 'illegal' jet/torch lighter.
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I have yet to risk making room for it in the dynastash in case i destroy it, but count me in for one when it comes (hopefully not long)

:bowdown:George
 
NicholasPetris

NicholasPetris

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To add to what Winegums said about the faster heating and cooling of the (Gen 4-5) Ti vs SS which can allow for functionally faster extraction, I, as any sometimes clumsy person could, seriously appreciate that the Gen 4-5 tips, when below the clicking temperature, are rarely hot enough to cause any burn injuries; one can generally remove a cap right after the cooldown click bare-handed on the Ti (no magnet necessary). The SS (and Gen 2 or so Ti) tip requires significantly more caution.
 
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mrb

mrb

Accessory Maker
Accessory Maker
cybrguy said:
Wow, so that's like at least 15 hours of soak time in ISO and you have had no stretching of breakage of orings? That is pretty remarkable, and while still anecdotal, a clear data point against ISO killing orings... Huh.

I wonder how they would fare if you tried to remove them? Probably not worth finding out...
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The Condenser x-rings are totally fine after my months of iso soaking/cleaning. I have removed them from time to time.

The o-rings on the tip. . while i haven't closely closely examined them or tried to remove them (why would I at this point in my particular routine)... there is certainly no obvious visual damage, or any degradation of fit.

I'm also quite surprised how these silicone rings have lasted, given the general chat here on the topic.
But my experience is true to what i posted, I've not worried about ISO soaking the rings and they all work fine still.

They are all the black rings that were shipping with the products direct from DV last April ish . . .

I'll try and remove one of the rings from the Tip at some point and report back.:tup:
 
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