Divine Tribe atty's

[WKONE]

Looking forward to the crucible cup!

Also looking forward to medium donuts and improved cups!

 

[fernand]

Yo, @divinetribe , is that like, a Mango smoothie?

BTW, you're one hard working stoner, Dude! Great!

 

[divinetribe]

New glass attachment lol. No really I bought this so I can meet up with a local glassblower to see what designs and different mouthpieces can be made from Pyrex for the V3

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

updates
,, the crucible cup will take months from the ceramic people...

next week I will be getting 200 separate medium donuts and cups to sell on the side these will have improved cups along with 400 black v3 kits(kits will have 2 large donuts , one installed and one on the side and a medium donut and cup on the side .. this is all next week I am told,,

my goal is to get the DC GEN 2 rebuild able done, and a small cup and donut for the v3..
I will be pushing for the crucible cup and keeping everyone updated as paul is keeping me.

Right on for the update. My only question now: are these new "improved" cups the same as what we are already using with the medium donuts, with the main improvement being the smaller wire lead holes to prevent leakage, or is there other improvements as well? Are we getting the improved cups for the large donuts as well?

New glass attachment lol. No really I bought this so I can meet up with a local glassblower to see what designs and different mouthpieces can be made from Pyrex for the V3

that's comical...a 6 foot long pyrex tube mouthpiece? I wonder how that is helping your testing of new mouthpieces.... If you can make any alternative mouthpieces for the v3.0, that would be much welcomed. Even if you just make a plain, tapered mouthpiece out of pyrex like the old v2.5 cap, with no splash guard, that will be useful. I could then use the same old method of using that mouthpiece, with an atmos jewel silicon mouthpiece, to adapt to 14mm hydratubes, and have all the parts stick together firmly and also use the regular silicon o-rings on the base, instead of the silicon tube strip which is more cumbersome to remove.

Intellectual property? ha! That's a joke. Patents are for rich corps with armies of lawyers. Been there, done that.

chill out fern, I was just joking, about your designs. you can call off the Samoan lawyers?

You can find crucibles in various sizes on e-bay under "Alumina crucible". The bandits who order them for a couple dollars from China and sell them for forty in the US are jerks, pure and simple, not "smart". Buy direct. The 6.8 x 4 mm size fits the V2-alikes perfectly, though the low air inlets on the real V2 and the 13mm V3 lift them. I'd like to try some slightly bigger ones on the medium V3.

On the idea of a very long integrated heater/cup for the design Matt was proposing, I just meant as an extreme (impractical) case where it becomes the mouthpiece too so there's nowhere to leak.

On those wicks, that's absurd. The idea you can inhale glass or ceramic fibers, like asbestos, and it's OK if they're big enough that you'll cough them up before you die. OK, how about inhaling steel wool or shotgun pellets? The difference with cotton is that cotton is a carbohydrate that grows on Southern plantations and makes you regular. Doh. Sorry Mate, D- (it's not an F because he actually made an effort).

Got other vape chores at the moment, but I want to find the right sized crucibles to try for medium and maybe also large donuts with the same sized alumina? Maybe an 8x4mm would be ideal if we can find it?

Your idea of a long heated crucible cup could be feasible if Matt is having fresh ceramic molds created? It can be up to 10mm tall if the chimney terminates right below the splash guard on the mouthpiece, vs. being only about 6mm tall if it stays within the dimensions of our existing cups for large and medium donuts.

And I will get around to contacting the ceramic wick guy to see how he refutes your skepticism..more on that later.

Sorry if my answer comes a couple pages late, but this thread is running fast and some of you guys are very talkative (wink! wink!)

I know fern, shut up once in a while and let other people speak too

We think that there is more to the DNA chipset than just the customizable software. Apparently the sampling rate of our mods can vary greatly, and some have better TC implementation than others.

I would like to point you to this post by @Pipes in the "DIY BULLI" thread: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/diy-bulli-vaporizer.6601/page-23#post-968964

Unfortunately I don't think anyone of us over there had the chance to test a DNA box first-hand. I'm using a evic VTC mini myself and I'm relatively satisfied, but previously I raised the question of whether it would be worth it to try to customize it to better suit our needs, cf my post in the "Project" thread: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-project-diy-herbal-vaporizer.21055/page-13#post-997825

It's clear there's a lot of overlap, we are using the same devices than you but for dry herbs instead. Seeing how many of you like to tinker and tweak, I'm confident you will find yourself at ease over there too and your help would be much appreciated!

Thanks for the invite, I have glanced over those threads a few times when you originally linked to them many pages back, around the time the DC dry herb was released?

There is surely alot of overlaps between the devices and work we're doing on them, just different atty's and vaping materials. I'm mostly interested in those customized firmwares for the evic and other similar devices. Do any of those custom wares let you do some of the fancier things that the DNA escribe lets you do, like customized TCR and power curves? Not enough time to check out all this stuff at one time!

I actually only like them to go up to .63, but since plugging the first two into my ht75, their cold resistance is not the same. It's not in the mid-.5x range, around .52-.58 for both. They are both blown and partially cracked, though, which increases the cold resistance. I'm going from .5x-.7, which gives about 220C (~428F). Higher end for me, but that is +/- 10C, since that is my current standard error. It feels to me a little low.

ok, I gotcha now. You only needed it to rise that high because it already had a pretty high cold base resistance. I just did a full cleaning on one of my higher Ω donuts, this 0.50 rises to about 0.66-67 at the higher end of the heat range I use it at. OTOH, my lowest 0.41Ω large donut only has to rise 0.14 or 0.15

The partial blown-out-ness most likely also accounts for the higher base Ω's Hopefully you'll have more medium and large discs coming your way to test out.

The need is a result of higher drain. Pushing a 3.2v battery up to 75W requires a higher drain, which is easier to achieve (with 18650's) with multiple batteries - thus raising the voltage (6.4v+) so that less drain is required from the batteries. Or, you can use a custom high-drain LiPo, or a larger battery (26650 -higher drain capabilities).

I thought they were 3.7v? I see your point about the high drain. From my own personal vaping use with TC mods, I'm never pushing anything over 40w, and not for very long extended periods, and my devices range from 60-75-200w outputs, so I'm only using a fraction of it. I could see how a mod constantly having to push it's max wattage output and the cell discharing it's max amps all the time could push the limits of both parts, and that could be easier with 2 cells. It's just that my 2 cells mods are 200w, so why the need for 2 cells for 75w? I guess for vape guys that I don't know, who are using really low Ω builds and chain-vaping it alot at max watts....which I don't relate to much IDK

I don't know, except that the first was blown by 75w preheat. Preheat is a little kick given before your settings take effect. By default, it's 75w for 3 seconds with a medium (3) punch. That's supposed to preheat the coil so that as you pull it instantly vapes. That works for juice on a wire, but not for us. We don't need such a staunchy preheat. I have mine set to 25w for 1s with soft (1) punch. I find cranking the preheat to 40w decreases my heat-up time to near-zero, so I am instantly vaping. It is VERY fast (<3s) with it set at 25W, which I am fine with so I use 1s@25w 1 punch. I am playing with preheat a little, but am less interested. I probably won't mess with it anymore until I get different sized donuts (and a few more large) to test with, so that I can get my heating curve set up a little better. It's working well for me so far, but I need to adjust it just a bit because I find the temps inaccurate in a few spots.

Well, good to know that 75w on our large donuts is a power level we can expect to do damage, probably 60 or 55w too. I have tested them at 50w for TC warmups but not vaped at 50w. Even at 50w, it was still taking a little over 2 seconds to reach protection, I'm wondering how you are getting a large donut to be warmed up almost instantly at even lower watts? Maybe it's just another bug with your partial blown out large donuts Ω rising quicker than a good disc's Ω rises?

From reading what you're doing, I wonder if one of the aftermarket, custom softwares for joyetech / eleaf mods could allow me to do some of this stuff that escribe does?

Ideally, I'd like to do a 2.5 second "preheat" at 40w to warm-up quicker, and have a second-stage TC watts limit around 20-25w, to minimize fluctuations. And being able to input different TCR #'s at different resistance ranges, as you've observed, would be nice too. Donut pioneering....

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Yo, @divinetribe , is that like,
a Mango smoothie?

BTW, you're one hard working stoner, Dude! Great!

Mango smoothie....ha...funny guy, you. Mango kush maybe

I'd say it looks like puree'd baby food, not far off.

I like Matt's terp oil pornz, it's like a more classy version of my raunchy donut prawns

Many times talking to him on email, he'd show me that pic about live resin, even though we're talking about something else That was a while ago, and live resins and hi-terp oils have been around for a few years now, I figure I'd finally give this newfangled oil a try, to complement my many cheap run-of-the-mill shatters, crumbles and co2 oils. It's more expensive, (almost 2x more) but at my relatively low consumption, it could be worth it?

"ambrosia" live nectar. live nectar=live resin, right? the damn delivery guy had this jar lying sideways in his car and the oil ran up to the lid and left trails cmon now. this hybrid strain is very nice, but the genetics are unknown to me

"london fog" live nectar. uk cheese x blue dream i think, i forgot already very a-nice

banana og kush sugar wax. sugar wax is not the same as live resins, right? not sure on all the different forms. Regardless, this one is my favorite i think of all these gold drop half grams i copped. super tasty....

sweet island skunk sugar wax. not quite as nice as the others, but i wanted a sativa too

more live nectar, goji oj. I've been working on vaping this half-g longer, as you can see from my scrapes. another very nice sativa-hybrid. the name is great, too. say "goji og" 3x fast maui wowie....



ok....


close the blinds and turn the lights off now! time for more donut porns!

i cleaned one of my medium donuts for the first time (the one dedicated for live resins) and here's a sequence of the first few reloads

2 modest pinches of that goji og. i saw all those little black marks on the cup only on my hi-res image, not with the naked eye. must be remnants of the reclaim and burn-off that didn't burn or rinse away no worry to me

a more greedy lump of some more goji og

i think i had 2 more reloads here that were not documented, and after the 1st load, (3-4 hits) I'm getting those "endless reclaim hits" which some love and some despise Like 8 or 10 nice hits before it gets wispy and it's time to reload...it get's a little dirty... kerozen and reclaim haters, avert your gaze...click if you dare...

Spoiler: r@unchy d0nuts

some of that ambrosia live resin isn't that cool the way it makes a perfect halo, sticking to the little ick-oil beneath it?

again....

PERFECT!

and that sweet island skunk was rather pleasant too

 

[divinetribe]

here is a auction on ebay for a v3 starting at 2 cents no reserve.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Divine-Cros...nut-Atomizer-TCR-Terpene-Crazy-/182321861324?

 

[looney2nz]

I ran into an issue with my v3. Once again I'm using the Joyetech eVic VTwin Mini.

I'd disassembled and cleaned the thing the previous day (but I didn't remove the donut and check the leads and wire wells). I LOVE the fact that I can break it down to clean it... just wish I didn't have to do it so much! (but I'm medicating the CRAP out of myself... so, there ya go!)

Was vaping away nicely, and it started acting weird... kept on flashing the protection message like immediately, could only get it to display the temp occasionally but it wasn't getting the concentrate hot enough anymore... so I broke it down again, and could see that concentrate had made it's way down the feed holes for the donut leads. I unscrewed the contact screws for each lead, separated the donut from the base and submerged it, stood the base on the posts with enough ISO to cover the screw holes.
Cleaned everything up pretty nicely, ran a very fine jewelers flat edge down the wire wells and it came out clean. Reassembled it with the same donut, and same thing... drop a small bb on the donut and it barely melts, but the display was jumping to 'protection' and not getting hot enough to develop vapor.
I thought it was contact resistance before I cleaned everything, but the same thing afterward? Weird.
I replaced the donut with a new one... same thing! it gets weirder...
I just picked the thing up again after a few hours of it sitting there and now it fires fine.
I don't think I got ISO in anything sensitive, but I guess I'll blow a hairdryer on everything for awhile next time.

Still looking forward to the 10mm donut and medium cup

 

[brosiff420]

I ran into an issue with my v3. Once again I'm using the Joyetech eVic VTwin Mini.

I'd disassembled and cleaned the thing the previous day (but I didn't remove the donut and check the leads and wire wells). I LOVE the fact that I can break it down to clean it... just wish I didn't have to do it so much! (but I'm medicating the CRAP out of myself... so, there ya go!)

Was vaping away nicely, and it started acting weird... kept on flashing the protection message like immediately, could only get it to display the temp occasionally but it wasn't getting the concentrate hot enough anymore... so I broke it down again, and could see that concentrate had made it's way down the feed holes for the donut leads. I unscrewed the contact screws for each lead, separated the donut from the base and submerged it, stood the base on the posts with enough ISO to cover the screw holes.
Cleaned everything up pretty nicely, ran a very fine jewelers flat edge down the wire wells and it came out clean. Reassembled it with the same donut, and same thing... drop a small bb on the donut and it barely melts, but the display was jumping to 'protection' and not getting hot enough to develop vapor.
I thought it was contact resistance before I cleaned everything, but the same thing afterward? Weird.
I replaced the donut with a new one... same thing! it gets weirder...
I just picked the thing up again after a few hours of it sitting there and now it fires fine.
I don't think I got ISO in anything sensitive, but I guess I'll blow a hairdryer on everything for awhile next time.

Still looking forward to the 10mm donut and medium cup

Have you tried a different battery? I'm curious what your settings are... I have a V3 coming in the mail today and will be trying it with an eVic VTwo Mini as well. Where are your settings right now?

 

[brosiff420]

i got ripped from ebay sellers in the past.
I have had great success with eciggity i think is the one... they are based in hawaii though, but their shipping was phenominal in those two orders.



WOWW~!

thanks matt @divinetribe . and thanks @Vape Donkey 650 , @fernand , @OF .. unbelieveable vape I just had on this V3 DT !

..using the VTCmini w/ TCR 190, 21W, 380ºF.... thanks. right out of the gate, you guys cracked the code lol. reminds me of the documentary i just watched about compaq trying to crack IBMs code. ha

vape on my friends
and may we continue this open source investigation

What other settings did you change? I get my V3 today and have an eVic VTwo Mini as well... Someone should post a video about the settings with the new v5.04 Firmware. I can't even figure out where to change C to F lol

Edit: Figured out the C to F change (just keep pressing - or + till the end of range and press once again to make the switch)

 

[looney2nz]

Right now I've got the TCR set to 180, 22 watts, and I use it at a variety of temps, including 430 for THCv. I'll have to check the firmware version (my brain is saying 4.0.2) and what the update process is again.

Have you tried a different battery? I'm curious what your settings are... I have a V3 coming in the mail today and will be trying it with an eVic VTwo Mini as well. Where are your settings right now?

I rotate 2 very recently purchases Sony batteries into a wall charger, and will probably buy the 2 battery configuration option for this unit.

 

[divinetribe]

Mango smoothie....ha...funny guy, you. Mango kush maybe

I'd say it looks like puree'd baby food, not far off.

I like Matt's terp oil pornz, it's like a more classy version of my raunchy donut prawns

Many times talking to him on email, he'd show me that pic about live resin, even though we're talking about something else That was a while ago, and live resins and hi-terp oils have been around for a few years now, I figure I'd finally give this newfangled oil a try, to complement my many cheap run-of-the-mill shatters, crumbles and co2 oils. It's more expensive, (almost 2x more) but at my relatively low consumption, it could be worth it?

"ambrosia" live nectar. live nectar=live resin, right? the damn delivery guy had this jar lying sideways in his car and the oil ran up to the lid and left trails cmon now. this hybrid strain is very nice, but the genetics are unknown to me

"london fog" live nectar. uk cheese x blue dream i think, i forgot already very a-nice

banana og kush sugar wax. sugar wax is not the same as live resins, right? not sure on all the different forms. Regardless, this one is my favorite i think of all these gold drop half grams i copped. super tasty....

sweet island skunk sugar wax. not quite as nice as the others, but i wanted a sativa too

more live nectar, goji oj. I've been working on vaping this half-g longer, as you can see from my scrapes. another very nice sativa-hybrid. the name is great, too. say "goji og" 3x fast maui wowie....



ok....


close the blinds and turn the lights off now! time for more donut porns!

i cleaned one of my medium donuts for the first time (the one dedicated for live resins) and here's a sequence of the first few reloads

2 modest pinches of that goji og. i saw all those little black marks on the cup only on my hi-res image, not with the naked eye. must be remnants of the reclaim and burn-off that didn't burn or rinse away no worry to me

a more greedy lump of some more goji og

i think i had 2 more reloads here that were not documented, and after the 1st load, (3-4 hits) I'm getting those "endless reclaim hits" which some love and some despise Like 8 or 10 nice hits before it gets wispy and it's time to reload...it get's a little dirty... kerozen and reclaim haters, avert your gaze...click if you dare...

Spoiler: r@unchy d0nuts

some of that ambrosia live resin isn't that cool the way it makes a perfect halo, sticking to the little ick-oil beneath it?

again....

PERFECT!

and that sweet island skunk was rather pleasant too

I can't thank you enough @fernand @OF @Steven @Vape Donkey 650 for the countless hours and support you have given to this blog and my customers. I know I have missed others who leave their input on here as well so whomever you four feel is worthy I can send upgrades to them too. What I want you to receive is the V3 in black and all new upgrades to the Divine Tribe line( cup changes, donuts in all resistances and sizes). The sooner I get these parts into your hands the sooner we can make changes and upgrades and figure out what works best for specific types of vaping. This company is very fluid and ready to adapt to new principles and ways.

I have sent the V3 with the eleaf 40w tc off to the FDA lab this week. It will be nice to finally know if we have fumes or gassing.
Has any other company done this that you know of ? doesn't it seem like they should of?

I have said this before and I will say it again, if we don't start regulating ourselves the govt is going to have to come in and try to do it for us.

so for the lab
I have given instructions to have the eleaf set to 280°f to start for the v3 with a donut that has .47ohms.
I vape at 260°f myself so i figure 280°f is a good starting temp. I told them it is not the accurate temp and if they could provide it for me on that mod that would be helpful... I will keep everyone informed on here of the results. even if the results are bad, WE NEED TO KNOW.. but i really feel when i dry fire the donut that it tastes clean. I can taste metal on every other device I have tried.

I am getting a line of concentrates tested at another lab this week, These are from some people I have been working with in the last six months. There are two types of tests, the simple test (THC, CBD, THCA, CBN,MOLDS ,SOLVENTS,) then the complex test which does all that plus the whole terpene profile. I am getting the second one done. many call it live resin but I call it HTFSE (high terpene full spectrum extract) and HCFSE (high cannabinoid full spectrum extract). My goal is to bring two completely tested products together. what is in the medicine that can be harmful and helpful medicinally? and what in the vapor device can be harmful?
Those are two very relevant questions that anybody would agree are the two most important..

So moving on I have Known this Dr. for over twenty years and in my opinion he is one of the most knowledgeable dr.s when it comes to cannabis. He and and a lawyer I hired once for a tahoe case got the DEA to to admit that cannabis has medical value. hehe see link here for a good read.
http://www.canorml.org/news/day_one_testimony_in_Federal_marijuana_rescheduling_hearing.html
Day Two of Scheduling Hearings: Drs. Carl Hart and Philip Denney Take the Stand


http://www.canorml.org/news/day_two_testimony_in_Federal_marijuana_rescheduling_hearing.html

So I am going to be paying a visit to Dr. Denney in Hawaii from Nov 3-9th (what a horrible place to have to discuss business huh?) what I want from him is to oversee this v3 project and help facilitate it or something like it to becoming a FDA approved medicinal device. Got to have your goals right?

I believe cannabis medicine will change the pharmaceutical industry and the way we approach medicine and healing in general.

 

[Steven]

Thanx Matt for the very kind words. I am very proud and happy to be considered part of the team. Gotta love the transparency that divine tribe strives for. I don't know any company in the biz that pioneers in this way. Customer input is highly regarded and there are never any lies to earn a quick buck. Divine tribe is definitely a breath of fresh air. I can't wait for more toys to test out. This holiday season sounds very welcoming already. Thanx Matt

So some reporting on the medium donut. The revised cup is definitely an improvement. Thus leakage into the lead posts don't happen as quickly but it still happens. I can definitely go longer without cleaning with the medium donut. I also noticed that although the medium donut has the same range of resistance as the v2.5 (about 0.7 ohms), the donut itself is a bit thicker so I use the same settings as the large v3 and get good results. I use tcr 245, 22w, at 420F. I actually use that for all v3 donuts and get very good results. However, 22w in power mode is still too intense for the medium v3 so I use 12w for cleaning the medium donuts.

The easiest way I have found to revive the donut and cup to pearly white again is to disassemble the donut from the cup. Then reattach the donut without the cup (thanx @Vape Donkey 650) and do a power burn off in Power mode. The cup can be cleaned with a torch or a gas stove. This has all been mentioned. Just thought I would summarize

Edit
Upon further monitoring, my temp read out at tcr 245, 22w, and 420F generally floats around 350F. At times it can reach 400F. And my hits are long, about a minute. So for it to actually hit temp protection, I know I would need higher wattage but I love how it's performing so I'm set

To avoid leakage altogether, I think a silicone grommet of some sort is needed. Not sure what the heat rating of silicone grommets of that size can take but silicone has a high heat resistant rating doesn't it?

I'm so close to using those little tubing that comes as a protector of some sort for the leads up to the donuts ad a grommet. It fits through the large cup lead hole perfectly. I would just cut away as much as I can away from the donut but this would help. I just don't know what that protective tubing is made of. I don't wanna sear "plastic" into my gear.

So nvm. Scratch that idea. I put a lighter to the tubing and it melted... Damn

 

[looney2nz]

I can't thank you enough @fernand @OF @Steven @Vape Donkey 650 for the countless hours and support you have given to this blog and my customers. I know I have missed others who leave their input on here as well so whomever you four feel is worthy I can send upgrades to them too. What I want you to receive is the V3 in black and all new upgrades to the Divine Tribe line( cup changes, donuts in all resistances and sizes). The sooner I get these parts into your hands the sooner we can make changes and upgrades and figure out what works best for specific types of vaping. This company is very fluid and ready to adapt to new principles and ways.

I have sent the V3 with the eleaf 40w tc off to the FDA lab this week. It will be nice to finally know if we have fumes or gassing.
Has any other company done this that you know of ? doesn't it seem like they should of?

I have said this before and I will say it again, if we don't start regulating ourselves the govt is going to have to come in and try to do it for us.

so for the lab
I have given instructions to have the eleaf set to 280°f to start for the v3 with a donut that has .47ohms.
I vape at 260°f myself so i figure 280°f is a good starting temp. I told them it is not the accurate temp and if they could provide it for me on that mod that would be helpful... I will keep everyone informed on here of the results. even if the results are bad, WE NEED TO KNOW.. but i really feel when i dry fire the donut that it tastes clean. I can taste metal on every other device I have tried.

I am getting a line of concentrates tested at another lab this week, These are from some people I have been working with in the last six months. There are two types of tests, the simple test (THC, CBD, THCA, CBN,MOLDS ,SOLVENTS,) then the complex test which does all that plus the whole terpene profile. I am getting the second one done. many call it live resin but I call it HTFSE (high terpene full spectrum extract) and HCFSE (high cannabinoid full spectrum extract). My goal is to bring two completely tested products together. what is in the medicine that can be harmful and helpful medicinally? and what in the vapor device can be harmful?
Those are two very relevant questions that anybody would agree are the two most important..

So moving on I have Known this Dr. for over twenty years and in my opinion he is one of the most knowledgeable dr.s when it comes to cannabis. He and and a lawyer I hired once for a tahoe case got the DEA to to admit that cannabis has medical value. hehe see link here for a good read.
http://www.canorml.org/news/day_one_testimony_in_Federal_marijuana_rescheduling_hearing.html
Day Two of Scheduling Hearings: Drs. Carl Hart and Philip Denney Take the Stand


http://www.canorml.org/news/day_two_testimony_in_Federal_marijuana_rescheduling_hearing.html

So I am going to be paying a visit to Dr. Denney in Hawaii from Nov 3-9th (what a horrible place to have to discuss business huh?) what I want from him is to oversee this v3 project and help facilitate it or something like it to becoming a FDA approved medicinal device. Got to have your goals right?

I believe cannabis medicine will change the pharmaceutical industry and the way we approach medicine and healing in general.

Dr. Denney was my 1st medical cannabis doc, I got my 1st rec from him when he was in Lake Forest
He did a real intake, looked over my records from the pain management clinic and got me started on this path. I haven't seen him in years, last I saw he had moved up to the Bay Area, so he moved to Hawaii?

You meant 360-380F right?

Can't wait for the end of the month Want to play with the medium cup and the 10mm.

Curious if a raised dimple for the wire feed holes might help the leakage, or perhaps there's a sealer that is safe for the air path and doesn't do bad stuff when it gets hot? Food grade high temp silicone?

 

[Tranquility]

many call it live resin but I call it HTFSE (high terpene full spectrum extract) and HCFSE (high cannabinoid full spectrum extract).

While I love all the forward thinking optimism in the post, I'm not sure you're going to win this one. Live resin has a certain ring to it that eludes the acronyms.

 

[divinetribe]

While I love all the forward thinking optimism in the post, I'm not sure you're going to win this one. Live resin has a certain ring to it that eludes the acronyms.

one of my teachers is a guy on IG called Extractioneering-Westcoast
this is what i think also ...

https://www.medicaljane.com/2014/07...future-of-terpene-rich-cannabis-concentrates/

 

[OF]

The sooner I get these parts into your hands the sooner we can make changes and upgrades and figure out what works best for specific types of vaping. This company is very fluid and ready to adapt to new principles and ways.

Outstanding news! I hope my request for a WT Adapter gets it's 'day in court'. IMO the V3 sometimes screams for a WT to help tame the beast. Maybe something linear this time, for Hydrotubes, something stubby ending in 14 or 18mm male GonG?

I think we all appreciate what a treat it is to have a responsive maker who's in it for the long haul. There are plenty of those who for whatever reason don't seem interested, and more still that seem to be in the market for the fast buck not best product. Those kinds we can get anywhere.

This is special, and while not unique, is rare enough to demand respect on that alone.......even if the little suckers didn't put out such lovely vapor.

OF

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

I can't thank you enough @fernand @OF @Steven @Vape Donkey 650 for the countless hours and support you have given to this blog and my customers. I know I have missed others who leave their input on here as well so whomever you four feel is worthy I can send upgrades to them too. What I want you to receive is the V3 in black and all new upgrades to the Divine Tribe line( cup changes, donuts in all resistances and sizes). The sooner I get these parts into your hands the sooner we can make changes and upgrades and figure out what works best for specific types of vaping. This company is very fluid and ready to adapt to new principles and ways.

I have sent the V3 with the eleaf 40w tc off to the FDA lab this week. It will be nice to finally know if we have fumes or gassing.
Has any other company done this that you know of ? doesn't it seem like they should of?

I have said this before and I will say it again, if we don't start regulating ourselves the govt is going to have to come in and try to do it for us.

so for the lab
I have given instructions to have the eleaf set to 280°f to start for the v3 with a donut that has .47ohms.
I vape at 260°f myself so i figure 280°f is a good starting temp. I told them it is not the accurate temp and if they could provide it for me on that mod that would be helpful... I will keep everyone informed on here of the results. even if the results are bad, WE NEED TO KNOW.. but i really feel when i dry fire the donut that it tastes clean. I can taste metal on every other device I have tried.

I am getting a line of concentrates tested at another lab this week, These are from some people I have been working with in the last six months. There are two types of tests, the simple test (THC, CBD, THCA, CBN,MOLDS ,SOLVENTS,) then the complex test which does all that plus the whole terpene profile. I am getting the second one done. many call it live resin but I call it HTFSE (high terpene full spectrum extract) and HCFSE (high cannabinoid full spectrum extract). My goal is to bring two completely tested products together. what is in the medicine that can be harmful and helpful medicinally? and what in the vapor device can be harmful?
Those are two very relevant questions that anybody would agree are the two most important..

This attitude is the reason why I like to work with Divine Tribe rather than many other vape companies offering similar products. Some of these other ceramic concentrate vapes may be worthy contenders, but how many others are trying to bring this ambitious level of transparency and medical grade equipment to the market?

There's no censored reviews here, we want to know issues and bugs so we can fix them, not cover them up

Also, to a certain extent....it doesn't matter how pure and safe your medicine is, if the device you use to administer it combusts your medicine, pollutes it, or gasses off harmful substances. I'm quite optimistic on the upcoming tests

So moving on I have Known this Dr. for over twenty years and in my opinion he is one of the most knowledgeable dr.s when it comes to cannabis. He and and a lawyer I hired once for a tahoe case got the DEA to to admit that cannabis has medical value. hehe see link here for a good read.
http://www.canorml.org/news/day_one_testimony_in_Federal_marijuana_rescheduling_hearing.html
Day Two of Scheduling Hearings: Drs. Carl Hart and Philip Denney Take the Stand


http://www.canorml.org/news/day_two_testimony_in_Federal_marijuana_rescheduling_hearing.html

So I am going to be paying a visit to Dr. Denney in Hawaii from Nov 3-9th (what a horrible place to have to discuss business huh?) what I want from him is to oversee this v3 project and help facilitate it or something like it to becoming a FDA approved medicinal device. Got to have your goals right?

I believe cannabis medicine will change the pharmaceutical industry and the way we approach medicine and healing in general.

Cool...where you involved with Dr. Carl Hart too? I haven't heard of Dr. Denney, but Dr. Hart is a(nother) leading voice on medical cannabis and drug policy reform. I've seen him interviewed on TV many times

one of my teachers is a guy on IG called Extractioneering-Westcoast
this is what i think also ...

https://www.medicaljane.com/2014/07...future-of-terpene-rich-cannabis-concentrates/

haha...yes, that's the pic I was talking about. It was kinda funny, because I'd be e-mailing Matt about....say....DC dry herb attys, or something un-related, and he would show me this pic also....a few times. Why is he showing me this, I'd think to myself? Well it finally sank in....somewhat...

While I love all the forward thinking optimism in the post, I'm not sure you're going to win this one. Live resin has a certain ring to it that eludes the acronyms.

Yea..."HTFSE" may be more descriptive, but the term live resin has been around and gained some traction...also rolls off the tongue more naturally.

I ran into an issue with my v3. Once again I'm using the Joyetech eVic VTwin Mini.

I'd disassembled and cleaned the thing the previous day (but I didn't remove the donut and check the leads and wire wells). I LOVE the fact that I can break it down to clean it... just wish I didn't have to do it so much! (but I'm medicating the CRAP out of myself... so, there ya go!)

Was vaping away nicely, and it started acting weird... kept on flashing the protection message like immediately, could only get it to display the temp occasionally but it wasn't getting the concentrate hot enough anymore... so I broke it down again, and could see that concentrate had made it's way down the feed holes for the donut leads. I unscrewed the contact screws for each lead, separated the donut from the base and submerged it, stood the base on the posts with enough ISO to cover the screw holes.
Cleaned everything up pretty nicely, ran a very fine jewelers flat edge down the wire wells and it came out clean. Reassembled it with the same donut, and same thing... drop a small bb on the donut and it barely melts, but the display was jumping to 'protection' and not getting hot enough to develop vapor.
I thought it was contact resistance before I cleaned everything, but the same thing afterward? Weird.
I replaced the donut with a new one... same thing! it gets weirder...
I just picked the thing up again after a few hours of it sitting there and now it fires fine.
I don't think I got ISO in anything sensitive, but I guess I'll blow a hairdryer on everything for awhile next time.

Still looking forward to the 10mm donut and medium cup

Hey I hope your V3 has been acting better since then? I've had similar problems a few times, and I've found oil dribbling down the posts for the wire contacts has caused the Ω readings on the mod to drift (upwards), which causes the un-reliable TC performance. (the other less likely culprit a loose screw for a lead wire in the post)

It helps to know what your donut's cold base Ω is, and have that Ω "locked in" on your mod so you have an accurate baseline. You can go to power (watts, VW) mode and check what the Ω says there to confirm your resistance is accurate.

Almost every time I'm cleaning a donut and cup now, I'm observing some amount of oil making its way down one of the posts, at least, but this has not always been enough to cause the measured Ω reading to change. I think 3 times out of 10 or 12 cleanings so far, have I observed resistance changes >0.01Ω and bad TC performance with an oil soaked wire.

If you disassemble everything and clean it thoroughly, like you did, dry it out and carefully (minimum watts needed) burn your donut clean, it should return to it's original Ω again when cooled off and the TC should operate normally again. It always has for me, at least.

 

[fernand]

@divinetribe great to hear about the plans. Looking forward to trying the different configs.

On the subject of terpenes, I think there;'s an assumption that needs to be questioned: that terpenes are a known safe thing. All the terpenes and flavonoids in the plant are present in small amounts. They are a major contributor to the flavor. But the idea that using MORE terpenes as an additive or solvent is "natural" and thus safe, is based on fantasy. Thoughts, anyone?

 

[looney2nz]

This attitude is the reason why I like to work with Divine Tribe rather than many other vape companies offering similar products. Some of these other ceramic concentrate vapes may be worthy contenders, but how many others are trying to bring this ambitious level of transparency and medical grade equipment to the market?

There's no censored reviews here, we want to know issues and bugs so we can fix them, not cover them up

Also, to a certain extent....it doesn't matter how pure and safe your medicine is, if the device you use to administer it combusts your medicine, pollutes it, or gasses off harmful substances. I'm quite optimistic on the upcoming tests





Cool...where you involved with Dr. Carl Hart too? I haven't heard of Dr. Denney, but Dr. Hart is a(nother) leading voice on medical cannabis and drug policy reform. I've seen him interviewed on TV many times





haha...yes, that's the pic I was talking about. It was kinda funny, because I'd be e-mailing Matt about....say....DC dry herb attys, or something un-related, and he would show me this pic also....a few times. Why is he showing me this, I'd think to myself? Well it finally sank in....somewhat...



Yea..."HTFSE" may be more descriptive, but the term live resin has been around and gained some traction...also rolls off the tongue more naturally.



Hey I hope your V3 has been acting better since then? I've had similar problems a few times, and I've found oil dribbling down the posts for the wire contacts has caused the Ω readings on the mod to drift (upwards), which causes the un-reliable TC performance. (the other less likely culprit a loose screw for a lead wire in the post)

It helps to know what your donut's cold base Ω is, and have that Ω "locked in" on your mod so you have an accurate baseline. You can go to power (watts, VW) mode and check what the Ω says there to confirm your resistance is accurate.

Almost every time I'm cleaning a donut and cup now, I'm observing some amount of oil making its way down one of the posts, at least, but this has not always been enough to cause the measured Ω reading to change. I think 3 times out of 10 or 12 cleanings so far, have I observed resistance changes >0.01Ω and bad TC performance with an oil soaked wire.

If you disassemble everything and clean it thoroughly, like you did, dry it out and carefully (minimum watts needed) burn your donut clean, it should return to it's original Ω again when cooled off and the TC should operate normally again. It always has for me, at least.

Yeah, since letting it sit for a few hours, it now seems fine. I did indeed make sure the screws were tight and secure. Next time I break it down to clean it I'll make sure i've checked everything off the list. Baseline for this donut is .42 ohms. Interesting note, since this incident, it periodically asks me to choose resistance settings from 2 baselines (left and right buttons), the left button is the baseline (in my case). So somehow I think sufficient contact resistance is occurring to make the VTwin Mini flip out a bit More reason to protect those wire wells and screw holes. How are you cleaning yours?

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Hay everyone... during a quiet moment like this on the DT thread, I think this would be a good time to share with you guys n' gals my latest successful vape project. Why post it here? (good question)

Well, it involves those little 7mm ceramic discs we're so familiar with...and Matt sold those to me....

But my goal with this project:

• was to have a rebuildable Tank atomizer vape so I can fill it with (undiluted, unmixed) co2 oil or similar high cannabinoid, low-viscosity fluids
  
• have the tank be LEAK-FREE
• have a ceramic coil head / heater that can operate in Temp Control mode
  
• have the whole vape system provide pure, tasty, high-performance, high-airflow, easy, 'at-the-press-of-a-button' vape

I tried some readily available ceramic coil heads and tanks, like the vaporesso cCell coils, and eleaf MELO tanks, which was serving me fine on 3 of those 4 points, but always LEAKING OUT my oil, given time

I searched, and searched and searched...ceramic coils are kind of a niche market for nicotine vapers. I wasn't finding what I wanted, 100%, but at least I found the joyetech CUBIS tanks as a good leak-free platform for what seemed like I must resort to: a custom coil build

A cylindrical ceramic heater intended for use in RBA type coils would probably have been better, but I could only find them with kanthal wires. So I decided: ceramic donuts FTW

After quite a bit of trial-and-error and refilled tanks, I settled on a build with 2 DT donuts in parallel, wicked with readyX ceramic fiber wick....and having used 3 mods and tanks with these builds, I'm pretty happy to report that these donuts work surprisingly well as a heater in RTAs, the flavor and vape production is excellent, on par with the donut in it's default configuration, and after 2 months so far, NO leaks!

Here's a little vid of me test-firing the 2x donut coil on an empty tank

@fernand thought it couldn't be done: have a mod and an RTA just stand upright for an extended period, and be expected to NOT leak...he must not be familiar with top-coil mounted, top-air feeding tanks like the CUBIS

Why tanks? Why co2 oil, donkey? You might ask? (good question again)

I do fancy co2 oil, it's an amusing and pleasant distraction from high-grade BHOs, to me, not a replacement. I love their tastes sometimes, and fluid consistencies. co2 oils usually vape fine on the v2.5 / v3, but I just wanted a TANK so that I could have a high-quality vape that I could puff on repeatedly, for hundreds upon hundreds of puffs, without having to reload it often or think about it like my other DT donuts.

I also didn't want to dilute my oils or be vaping anything that is not an extract essential from cannabis, so co2 oil seemed like the best choice, not that glycerin-watered crap.

I also did not want to compromise the high quality of vapor that I demand, and nothing with a bare wire and cotton wick comes anywhere close for me on that count. I also needed a heater that was gentle and TC'd so it wouldn't fry a whole tank's worth of pristine co2 oil just to coax nice hits out of the oil touching the donut and wick. Having vaped one of these tanks more than halfway down, with the flavor just as good now as when freshly filled, I think I've got that part down too.

And just a thought for the ballers, with the talk of HTFSCE and "live resin" theoretically you could put any fluid, flow-ey, less-viscous dabbing oil into this tank, including "HTFSCE"...it would be a hassle to load up the tank, but it might pay massive dividends to those who dare? I'm not gonna invest a hundred bucks in a pure live resin tank but I'd like to see someone else do it and i'm not talking about those shitty pre-fills at the club with the 2 ohm coil


can you believe this long ass post wasn't even my full account?

click here to view my posts about this project on the advanced coil / tank / juice thread if you care to read about the whole journey

On the subject of terpenes, I think there;'s an assumption that needs to be questioned: that terpenes are a known safe thing. All the terpenes and flavonoids in the plant are present in small amounts. They are a major contributor to the flavor. But the idea that using MORE terpenes as an additive or solvent is "natural" and thus safe, is based on fantasy. Thoughts, anyone?

Interesting. Although "terpene toxicity" is a real thing, apparently, there has been no known acute toxicity from cannabinoids, THC, or cannabis intake, right? So you can smoke / dab / eat half your body's weight worth of kush, but not "overdose" on it?

With any individual given terpene, you can "OD" quite easily. However, regarding the "HTFSCE"s and their ~10-20% total terpene contents, that high terp portion of your oil is constituted by 8, 10, a dozen different, unique terpenes, not even just 3 or 4. So even with such high terp levels that might be harmful if it were just 1 or 2 of them, with the "entourage effect" and capturing the "full spectrum" of active compounds in live resin, I think we're pretty safe. I've never heard of anyone "OD'ing" on live resin, but I have seen them get too stoned

Like the conventional wisdom says, if it just comes from the plant, it has to be safe right?

But if you shift the topic to artificially sourced terpenes, re-introduced, mixed-in terps, or using terpene oils as the extraction or carrier oil, then YES...you can run into problems if you don't know what you're doing or get too generous with the dropper. But there's also a growing industry of terp oils companies that are even selling pre-mixed, mutli-terp oils that are supposed to match the profiles of popular strains, to improve the flavor of drab, tasteless, home-made mixes? I hope people are doing that right....

Yeah, since letting it sit for a few hours, it now seems fine. I did indeed make sure the screws were tight and secure. Next time I break it down to clean it I'll make sure i've checked everything off the list. Baseline for this donut is .42 ohms. Interesting note, since this incident, it periodically asks me to choose resistance settings from 2 baselines (left and right buttons), the left button is the baseline (in my case). So somehow I think sufficient contact resistance is occurring to make the VTwin Mini flip out a bit More reason to protect those wire wells and screw holes. How are you cleaning yours?

My cleaning is pretty close to what you're doing.

If it's asking you "new coil yes / no" alot then you need to confirm that the Ω in the temp control mode you use is the same as the coil Ω in power mode. Next time it asks you, answer - for YES, or unscrew and re-attach the atty to prompt this. If the Ω difference is too small that the mod wants to trip over to a known default, then screw in an old v2.5 base you might have lying around. Or you can warm up your coil, then unscrew and re-attach it real quick while it's still warm, to fool the mod into thinking it's a new coil when the warm Ω is still high. (- YES for new coil if asked) Then let it cool, unscrew, re-screw; look for the lowest Ω now.

If you don't know about locking the coil, when you're in the TC mode you use, 3x fire the main button quickly to make it blink, then press the LEFT button thrice to move over to the coil resistance bar, it will be blinking, then press RIGHT and you will see the Ω change to a lock. Now the base Ω will not change unless a very different Ω like 0.05 or 0.1 difference is read. You always want this Ω to be the exact same or 0.01 off from what it says in Power mode, or the TC will act strange...fluctuating power / temps, burning, hitting protection too quick... hope this helps

 

[whatavape]

@Vape Donkey 650 - this is exactly my problem with TV mode on my vt75 so far. Every cold fire kicks out of TC mode. No matter whether I unscrew, replace and select "new coil" - however, if I switch to wattage profile, preheat to .62 or so 2-3 times, and switch back to my TC profile it works just fine, until it goes off. My cold resistance has not changed, but that's what I initially expected. I am having varying results by changing my preheat settings. Longer preheat is helpful. Setting it @22w for 5s with punch 1 allows me to avoid the whole preheating process, and it stays in TC. I'm typically using 3s for my preheat time though - I am going easy on my last coil until more are available (waiting for those black v3s to come in!). I also want to mention I'm back to the power I was using on the dna40 - 18.6w. It heats up in less than 2s (after preheat) so that's why I was saying "near instant" before - but with my 3s preheat it technically takes ~5s to heat up. That's enough for me, but it isn't really instant.


Still working on the TCR curves for the v3/v2.7, but I think my v3 version is "final" for now. I got to where I am by tweaking the set points for TCR 190. I have also been testing in other TCR modes, getting reasonable results at 210, 220, 225, and I also tested 245, but found it is not matching temp well at 225 and above. It works best, as far as I can tell, at 190 - I am getting dense vapor and good taste, so this satisfies me. I am following Matt's recommendation to start low and stop when satisfied (and I believe he is also using TCR190). I haven't had a lot of time to polish everything, but I think by later next week I'll have a finished setup to share. I'd share pictures now (I've created some custom screens for dna75 for the v3 and v2 also) but I'm working on getting those up somewhere first.

I'm interested in your tank setup, this is something that interests me (not for myself but for the Mrs) as she doesnt like bothering to reload. Thanks for sharing that in this thread too!

 

[arrr]

Can anyone comoment on the difference between the v3 and v2.5.. especially on the leaking

 

[Steven]

Can anyone comoment on the difference between the v3 and v2.5.. especially on the leaking

If your worried about leakage, I'd recommend the v3 because they will eventually both leak but the v3 can be broken down to its parts for cleaning while the v2.5 is not . I clean mines pretty often so I've never experienced reclaim oozing out the cracks. Especially with the future cups that will be coming out, I'd go with the v3. Pick up a v2.5 and keep it in your car or a fresh one for traveling.

 

[divinetribe]

the v3s are here in black and i have extra stock of the medium donuts. Also I have sample large cups and black units for @fernand @OF @Steven @Vape Donkey 650
I am making ads for the blacks if you want the black just let me know on checkout.

glass on glass bubbler / oil rig attachments coming soon for the v3 in all sizes 14-18mm male and female
I will be selling whole vaporizer kits of the v3 matched up with the eleaf pico, sony vtc6 18650, silicone case, and v3.. you can choose black or white for all items..
FC discount link 50% off retail for v3
until i get the new ad up please let me know in notes if you want black or white
click here

http://ineedhemp.com/product/divine...mic-donut-atomizer-fcombustion-discount-link/

 

[Steven]

the v3s are here in black and i have extra stock of the medium donuts. Also I have sample large cups and black units for @fernand @OF @Steven @Vape Donkey 650
I am making ads for the blacks if you want the black just let me know on checkout.

glass on glass bubbler / oil rig attachments coming soon for the v3 in all sizes 14-18mm male and female
I will be selling whole vaporizer kits of the v3 matched up with the eleaf pico, sony vtc6 18650, silicone case, and v3.. you can choose black or white for all items..
FC discount link 50% off retail for v3
until i get the new ad up please let me know in notes if you want black or white
click here

http://ineedhemp.com/product/divine...mic-donut-atomizer-fcombustion-discount-link/

Can't wait to try out the new goodies, especially the revised large cup. I second @OF's request for straight water tool adapters for Hydratubes. I actually only use the dt donut a with Hydratubes and the glass adapter has been the eluding unicorn. So it would be a female part that goes into the v3 base and a male 14mm or 18mm part that will go into the bottom of a hydratube. Imo it's the most natural feeling way to add a water tool to the v3. For some reason using the dt donuts on a regular bong just doesn't feel right. It works wonderfully, don't get me wrong. It just feels off.