Davinci by Karma

stickstones

Vapor concierge
cabbage...my guess is that their testing is doing preburns so the vapor has already been cooked off. Did they tell you what the problem is? I still would want to know what the issue is. A plastic and 'new shoe' smell is common in new vapes, but I've never heard of a mystery vapor before in a vape.
 
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sektr

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cabbage...my guess is that their testing is doing preburns so the vapor has already been cooked off. Did they tell you what the problem is? I still would want to know what the issue is. A plastic and 'new shoe' smell is common in new vapes, but I've never heard of a mystery vapor before in a vape.

This is what I would guess they're doing as well. Just from the sheer number of people experiencing mystery vapors, I have a feeling that the main "issue" with this unit is that Karma isn't doing burn off runs on their units before shipping them out, meaning, like OF said, we're the ones who are getting to watch the rubber cure more quickly thanks to heat, which will dissipate over time.

It seems right now that everyone is seeing their mystery vapors disappear after time.
 
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suhbliem

Grower
I just returned my third unit, will be getting my 4th unit sometime early next week hopefully sooner. I'll post up what I find with their latest released units. So far, 1st DOA, 2nd offgas, 3rd offgas, 4th.. who knows. If they are smart they'll pre-cure the rubber before they send me another one. Honestly though so sick of this thing I'm just going to return it to the headshop I bought it from when the new unit comes in.
 
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Dreamerr

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I actually did part of this. I carefully dumped the load, more like picking it apart, half way through looking to see how uniformly it was vaping the load (it was doing a very good job, unlike some). It cools to 'under vaping temperature' very quickly once the air flow stops generally, and the core temperature displayed drops fast when shut off. It's not at all like Iolite in that respect.

As I said before, idling it seemed to cause no loss of vapor, like you'd have with a PD or HA.

Being color blind, I'll politely decline your last request and leave it for someone else.

OF

Sorry sir I forgot you are color blind. I will do the test later and report.
 
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OF

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Sorry sir I forgot you are color blind. I will do the test later and report.

Not to worry. No problem with it, the problem is all mine. For sure it's not your job to keep track of such things.....

Sorry I can't help you out with that detail.....those are the kinds of tests I never could find someone to pay me for, no matter how hard I tried. They're my favorite kinds you know, testing vapes and all. Glad to do it, but my observations won't do you much good. Then again, at least one of us would be pleased.........

TIA for offering to do the test and report, you know others are interested. Even me.

OF
 
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sektr

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I just fired mine up, and I'm noticing that after a weeks use, it doesn't smell like plastic anymore, but it certainly doesn't smell or taste anything like weed either.

Is this normal? What do your units smell/taste like? I know the taste is never supposed to be great with this but this is pretty fuckin brutal.
 
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Dreamerr

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Mine tastes almost the same no matter what strain I put in. I find it very hard to explain. The only time the taste changes is when the blue light comes on. I can then taste the difference. I am not sure if it is just an ABV taste or just cooler from the heat dropping.
 
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suhbliem

Grower
I just fired mine up, and I'm noticing that after a weeks use, it doesn't smell like plastic anymore, but it certainly doesn't smell or taste anything like weed either.

Is this normal? What do your units smell/taste like? I know the taste is never supposed to be great with this but this is pretty fuckin brutal.

I suspect its a combination of the hot air and the whip and maybe fumes, I don't know. I do know running the vapor through a water tool does help quite a bit with the taste and harshness though. Still tasted plastic however even through a triple 12 arm tree perc. I was never able to get rid of the plastic taste and also noticed I had a mild headache after using the device every time.
 
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max

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it certainly doesn't smell or taste anything like weed either.

Is this normal? What do your units smell/taste like? I know the taste is never supposed to be great with this but this is pretty fuckin brutal.
I don't have a great sense of taste/smell anymore (maybe too many years of smoking cigs) but have used quite a few portables and after use, this one does smell like weed to me, very much so. And I wouldn't classify the taste as bad, let alone brutal. The ABV taste with the iolite and wispr is much worse. One thing I've learned with the DV- about 385 is my end game for temp. I start at 350-360 (not harsh at all there) and to me, 385 is plenty high with this one. I would avoid using 400 or higher.
 
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And I wouldn't classify the taste as bad, let alone brutal. The ABV taste with the iolite and wispr is much worse. One thing I've learned with the DV- about 385 is my end game for temp. I start at 350-360 (not harsh at all there) and to me, 385 is plenty high with this one. I would avoid using 400 or higher.

I'm with Max on this (no surprise there....). It has it's compromises taste and smell wise, but I think pretty much in line. Already the 'Iolite warming up smell' overpowers the tennis shoe smell in half a minute or so..... While I've only done a few bowls in mine, I'm coming to the same conclusion with mine WRT temperature, 390 tops for bud but I'm going to 400 for bubble right now. Nice to be able to tweak it up and down at will. Neat how fast it responds to change as well, dial it up a bit and the next hit shows it.

OF
 
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max

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Of the 5-6 'pocket portables' I've used (no e-cig types), with the latest being the Puffit, plus a couple of flame fueled models, this is the only one that I've actually picked up to use in the house (if an AC model is handy), other than an occasional mini or micro hit from the MF. I've put up with the 'end of the bowl taste' on the iolite/wispr, in order to get the job done, but the DV has very little of that. The smaller bowl factors into that, I imagine, but there's still more than enough room in the hole for a good session for me, sometimes two. But that gets into personal preference and tolerance and shouldn't be used as a measuring stick. But I find the DV hits quite high in vapor/air ratio for a portable (the Supreme is top rate here but a PITA to heat up, as well as dangerous when you're high) and adding in ease of use, I'm very happy with it. We'll see how I feel down the road when the batteries quit providing a satisfactory operation time.
 
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lesvape

Queer in a high haze
I haven't fully kept up with this product, but is there an updated version out, or coming, seeing as you can get a new one for around 140 now?
 
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sektr

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Does anyone else feel like they get a little more cloudy thoughts with this than most vapes? Doesn't seem to matter what temperature I'm on I feel like my thoughts are always scrambled with this thing... Odd...
 
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cjacko

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Ok, next update after 3-4 more days of trying to get rid of the fumes/smell on my new DaVinci.

To make it short, I tried many more burn ins around 410 degrees and the smell (outside and inside) has considerably reduced. However, since there are still fumes coming out of the unit at around 390+ degrees and just smelling on the straw opening makes me just nauseous and gives me a headache, I ordered another vaporizer. While I love the DV concept, size and technology, I am 99.9% sure I will be keeping the other vap, because even after only one burn in the new vap does not create any fumes nor has this terrible plastic smell/taste to it. It does have some minor smell/taste to it, but it's different and much more tolerable - to me. Once the manufacturer of the DV has fixed this problem, I might buy it again.
 
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suhbliem

Grower
Ok, next update after 3-4 more days of trying to get rid of the fumes/smell on my new DaVinci.

To make it short, I tried many more burn ins around 410 degrees and the smell (outside and inside) has considerably reduced. However, since there are still fumes coming out of the unit at around 390+ degrees and just smelling on the straw opening makes me just nauseous and gives me a headache, I ordered another vaporizer. While I love the DV concept, size and technology, I am 99.9% sure I will be keeping the other vap, because even after only one burn in the new vap does not create any fumes nor has this terrible plastic smell/taste to it. It does have some minor smell/taste to it, but it's different and much more tolerable - to me. Once the manufacturer of the DV has fixed this problem, I might buy it again.


I'm waiting for my new unit in the mail after a exchange with the company, I'll report back when it comes in on whether or not if offgasses. I assume they will be sending me one of their latest models...
 

sektr

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Okay so anyone know how I go about returning/exchanging this thing if I ordered internationally? I'm assuming it can't be shipped back across customs given it's used now as well...

I loved it at first assuming the taste would go away, but after a couple weeks and a lot of use, the thing still smells NOTHING like weed when it's running, maybe a faint hint but mostly a nauseating smell. If I take a deep enough inhale through my nose when I smell the straw hole I literally gag, and the taste is awful as well not to mention how harsh the vapor is.

I've had over 10 friends try this thing, none of em liked it SOLELY because of the taste and smell...

I also don't like the high compared to what even my MFLB gave me, it's too heavy and my thoughts get cloudy as fuck. I feel as though I'm inhaling a little something extra, because smoking the same strain leaves me more clear headed which is unusual. Trying a big dose in the MFLB tonight to compare.

Really hoping I can get my money back or at least exchange it for a new one to try to return at a LHS here.
 
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OF

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Okay so anyone know how I go about returning/exchanging this thing if I ordered internationally? I'm assuming it can't be shipped back across customs given it's used now as well...

I loved it at first assuming the taste would go away, but after a couple weeks and a lot of use, the thing still smells NOTHING like weed when it's running, maybe a faint hint but mostly a nauseating smell.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure nobody on this forum would have any idea of how to return it, that's something between you and the guy you bought it from (that's how contracts work). Best to contact them separately? I agree, you don't want to ship it though customs without a plan, it'll come back to you perhaps in a not too good way. And as you point out, it is used goods (scrap value only) and doesn't seem covered under the warranty, I don't see what would support a demand for refund. But as I said, that's a discussion between you and the guy you bought it from. That's where the contract is.

I'm sorry you don't like the smell, but it's a common thing with Iolite and a lot of others. It is, I think, part of the compromises made for such compact units. They too smell 'nothing like weed when running', something most owners think is a feature. Nauseating is a subjective measure, real for you but not necessarily one others will share....unless you suggest it? For sure I don't gag on mine. Nor, I think, do a fair number of others.

I hope you find satisfaction with another unit, it seems pretty clear this one is not working for you.....although it is for some of us it seems.

Good luck.

OF
 
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vorrange

Vapor.wise
Okay so anyone know how I go about returning/exchanging this thing if I ordered internationally? I'm assuming it can't be shipped back across customs given it's used now as well...

I loved it at first assuming the taste would go away, but after a couple weeks and a lot of use, the thing still smells NOTHING like weed when it's running, maybe a faint hint but mostly a nauseating smell. If I take a deep enough inhale through my nose when I smell the straw hole I literally gag, and the taste is awful as well not to mention how harsh the vapor is.

I've had over 10 friends try this thing, none of em liked it SOLELY because of the taste and smell...

I also don't like the high compared to what even my MFLB gave me, it's too heavy and my thoughts get cloudy as fuck. I feel as though I'm inhaling a little something extra, because smoking the same strain leaves me more clear headed which is unusual. Trying a big dose in the MFLB tonight to compare.

Really hoping I can get my money back or at least exchange it for a new one to try to return at a LHS here.

It seems to me that you have a smellier DaVinci than most.. even considering different opinions on the same issue, and how each one interprets the degree of the issue here.. "nauseating smell", "literally gag" and "none of em liked it SOLELY because of taste and smell" seems just too much and i actually like the taste. Only in the end, like Max said countless times, it has that abv taste and you know it is done.

Either you like to exagerate on how you portray things, (i don't mean this as anything else than an observation, some people exagerate and some underplay the problem, it is just a matter of personality), you have a faulty unit and you should speak to your vendor to arrange for a return and a good unit.
 
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Dreamerr

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OF I didn't forget about the test. I just have life that comes first unfortunately. I did run half a bowl went into therapy and finished it when I came out. I need to do it when home so I can see what it looks like.
 
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OF I didn't forget about the test. I just have life that comes first unfortunately. I did run half a bowl went into therapy and finished it when I came out. I need to do it when home so I can see what it looks like.

Hey, not to worry. There are lots of things in life more important.

The world will just have to be patient.

FWIW, I did a similar test with some Sour Diesel bubble hash I had. I loaded just under 100mg into a 'can' and had four sessions with it (the last pretty lightweight). It was a gooey lump when I was done, but evenly vaped throughout. I managed to dig it out in a single mass and slice through it with a knife blade. I for sure didn't feel at all 'cheated' on the second and third sessions.

Impressive machine at several levels.

Thanks for thinking of me.

OF
 
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sektr

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It seems to me that you have a smellier DaVinci than most.. even considering different opinions on the same issue, and how each one interprets the degree of the issue here.. "nauseating smell", "literally gag" and "none of em liked it SOLELY because of taste and smell" seems just too much and i actually like the taste. Only in the end, like Max said countless times, it has that abv taste and you know it is done.

Either you like to exagerate on how you portray things, (i don't mean this as anything else than an observation, some people exagerate and some underplay the problem, it is just a matter of personality), you have a faulty unit and you should speak to your vendor to arrange for a return and a good unit.

No offense taken, I had beyond high hopes for this unit and I'm just really disappointed taste-wise honestly. I've had people give it a sniff, quick puff to taste it and immediately put it down and tell me they didn't want any.

I PM'ed the rep on this site directly the other day but I have not received a response despite him having been online since. Would I be better off contacting the company directly? I feel like its better to address the problem of shipping through customs with their rep here on this site than directly with their Customer Service department...
 
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Dreamerr

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Well here is my test of the vapped material. This is the first time I have done anything like this so be nice. the first pic is of the pre-vapped material.
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The second was vapped for five minutes and looks dark brown to me and done. Original amount was .2 grams.
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The third pic is of I put the material back and did another five minutes. I don't think it got any darker in my view. I would have to be really able to tell if it will give me more medicine waiting a lot longer then a minute hehe.
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For OF 1st Pretty fresh weed IMHO
Second fairly dark coffee brown
Third looks the same as second to me
 

OF

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For OF 1st Pretty fresh weed IMHO
Second fairly dark coffee brown
Third looks the same as second to me

Thanks very much. Good show you're not using my eyes......

This is why I tend to peek through Mister Microscope at the trichomes to judge such stuff.

OF
 
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Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
My eyes no matter what I use can't tell the diff between clear or cloudy but can see amber and usually to late oh well.
 
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