OF
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I think you misunderstand me OF. I am not saying that some plastics aren't safe with heat, nor that I am certain the DV is harmful like a burning Pez dispenser.
I do believe some units are off-gassing "something". People are sending these defective units back, but we haven't heard anything. This is the ignoring the issue I am talking about.
I certainly do not think Karma is trying to kill a bunch of people with a toxic vaporizer. Far from it, I think they want to be a real player in the vape market.
Thanks very much for the corrections. However, please note your original statement contained no qualifiers, like the "some" you just used. Nor did it leave much margin for outgasing non toxic vapor. I'm pretty confident that almost all such outgassing, while perhaps not pleasant, is not toxic in the normal sense. Nobody is going to get poisoned this way like our young fool and his Pez dispenser. Just because you smell something you don't like doesn't mean it's toxic or the maker is irresponsible.
Some folks have smells they don't like, this is not uncommon. Both Omicron carts and TV heaters have had similar issues and neither has plastics involved. In the cases where owners object, the maker is quickly replacing them 'no questions asked'. They now own the 'defective' units (which I suspect are contaminated with routine junk from our daily lives?), they owe nobody any further explanations IMO. Yes, it would be nice of them to tell us when they know what's up but IMO they are under no legal or moral obligations here any more than THC has to disclose their problems. I understand others may feel differently. You get a lot of "XXX needs to YYY" posts, when folks meant to say "I think XXX should YYY". I'm not sure where this comes from, it seems to be part arrogance and part attempting to 'teach granny to suck eggs'.
Just to be clear, IMO their obligations ended when they replaced the units and made the owner happy. Because they don't feel like responding to 'what's going on?' doesn't mean they're avoiding anything to me automatically. They might not know for sure (how would you figure this out if you didn't think it smelled all that bad and it passed all QC requirements?), might not know yet or might just consider it their dirty laundry to be washing in private. They might be hiding something of course, but that's speculation, not fact. Big difference. While they had a contractual obligation to deliver the goods described for the price paid, they have no obligations at all to any of us who haven't a dog in the fight. None. That's how the law works. Sometimes we forget their rights (real rights in fact) in our rush to get what we (wrongly) feel are our 'rights'.
We both agree it's an interesting product and the maker seems to have a white hat (at least so far), we just disagree a bit in some of the details seems to me. I think some guys are getting a little carried away with speculations and high handed 'advice' on how someone else should handle their business. Nobody has shown anything toxic, let alone carcinogenic is going on, just some taste (or even it seems vapors below taste threshold?) they don't like. No, make that some are lecturing them on what they have to do. IMO this is a bad tactic, nobody likes to be lectured to or told what to do.....especially from guys that might not have all the facts.
Not saying you are on that tact, just using your post as an example, no offense intended. For sure as long as folks stay civil, opinions are a good thing to express.....but I think a guy should stand ready to defend them?
I'm looking forward to getting my unit and forming some observations of my own....which I plan to bore one and all with when I have something worth saying. Until then, all I have is opinions as well, FWIW.
Thanks again for the clarification, it does read differently now.
OF