Gear D-nail thread

[StormyPinkness]

So, I got a K-type thermo off of Amazon with a couple of thermocouples and ran some measurements.

(@StormyPinkness - I have the TC you said you are going to get next and don't like it for this application. Probably better for setting in a duct and measuring air temp. I found, based on very little experience tbh, that the best ones to use are the ones that expose the metal wire of the TC and I used this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MU29Q3Z/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).​

Ah thank you for posting that! I couldn't agree more that the wire ones are the best, the bigger ones take forever to get up to temp if they even fit in the dish and I'm not sure they even reliably tell the temp for this. I'd only seen wire ones that could read up to 200 celsius. I'd actually gone back to using my wire one even though it's not supposed to work at those temps. I was worried I'd inhale some melted thermocouple or it was reading the temp wrong.

Again, thank you sir, I'm ordering one today.

Edit: Also I run my flat coil at 755 to get around 600 on my dish. I use a dhgate coil and controller with my d-nail stuff though.

 

[Baron23]

Edit: Also I run my flat coil at 755 to get around 600 on my dish. I use a dhgate coil and controller with my d-nail stuff though.

Wow, so you are getting a 150 degree F delta and I'm getting about a 180 or so differential. We seem to be in the same ballpark and not in the 50-90 degree area we might have expected from some of D-nail's data.

Let's just see what they come back with. They did reply and asked me a question on how I took my measurements and are forwarding my inquiry up the CS engineering chain. I will let all know what they reply with.

Cheers

 

[Baron23]

@herbivore21 and others - ok, D-nail replied with:

"Hey Stephen, we can warranty the heater for you in hopes that this will solve the problem"​

Very nice and, IME, if you deal with most vendors in a rational and polite way, you will get a cooperative response.

I thanked them, asked them what I need to do to get this new coil, and told them I would be glad to return it (or even perhaps pay for it, perhaps) if its not the coil (that is, if I cranked a free coil out of them over nothing....which I don't think is the case). I did ask them if they could ensure that the new coil was very flat and if they could perhaps test it prior to shipping to ensure proper operation (but I doubt they will do that).

All good, meantime I ran my Halo the other night at 725 set point and got great dabs...might try 700 tonight. I think, even if dab surface is at the same temp, the experience between the Liger and the Halo will still be a bit different due to different finish on the SiC, greater dab area, etc.

Cheers

 

[Eatrocks]

Uhhh Everytime I got to torch I hear a lil ice pick noise lol....I bet it won't break thou. Sucks cause the hot torches work best with sic.

 

[StormyPinkness]

I just got my new thermocouple @Baron23 posted about and I have to apologize to anyone who read my posts about temperature thinking I knew what I was talking about. The thermocouple that came with my thermometer I was using was at least 50 degrees off. I finally realized it was only rated for 200c and I'm glad I started looking for a new one. It's almost as bad as when I was going by the ir gun temp, that thing was ridiculously far off. I'm actually surprised I was so successfully and happily hitting my sic dish at 550 instead 600 like I though. I turned it up so my dish is around 600, but I might turn it back down. Again sorry for anyone listening to this dummy.

 

[Baron23]

I just got my new thermocouple @Baron23 posted about and I have to apologize to anyone who read my posts about temperature thinking I knew what I was talking about. The thermocouple that came with my thermometer I was using was at least 50 degrees off. I finally realized it was only rated for 200c and I'm glad I started looking for a new one. It's almost as bad as when I was going by the ir gun temp, that thing was ridiculously far off. I'm actually surprised I was so successfully and happily hitting my sic dish at 550 instead 600 like I though. I turned it up so my dish is around 600, but I might turn it back down. Again sorry for anyone listening to this dummy.

Please refresh my memory....you are getting 550F dab surface readings at what controller set point?

All - I think I'm getting the hang of my Halo now. Yes, I have a new coil on its way to me, but I'm still running the old one at high set points.

Ran last night at 715 which, based on my numbers after I tightened everything up as good as I could, should give me a dab surface temp of 540 or so.

I did use the suggested q-tip in the carb hole trick (which works splendidly...so, why did they drill the hole so big to start with??) and pre-heated the cap a bit before dabbing. Nice dabs, get 2 good draws from them, different than Liger but very, very nice in its own way.

Yeah, I'm happy with my Halo now that I understand it a bit better.

Cheers

 

[Eatrocks]

Sic dish scraps off pretty easy, used a SS tool, just a little baked on buildup. Tried to torch clean but goddamn I'm not tryna hold flame to it for 10 min lolol.

 

[psychonaut]

I run my SiC halo at 1000F for about 2-3 hours and it'll burn off whatever is built-up, then you're back to a completely clean dish. Downside is you gotta use something else for a session in-between. I do this about every 3-4 weeks as I normally swab my halo clean after each session, but gunk still builds up over time that 710F won't burn off completely between 2 hour sessions.

 

[StormyPinkness]

Please refresh my memory....you are getting 550F dab surface readings at what controller set point?

All - I think I'm getting the hang of my Halo now. Yes, I have a new coil on its way to me, but I'm still running the old one at high set points.

Ran last night at 715 which, based on my numbers after I tightened everything up as good as I could, should give me a dab surface temp of 540 or so.

I did use the suggested q-tip in the carb hole trick (which works splendidly...so, why did they drill the hole so big to start with??) and pre-heated the cap a bit before dabbing. Nice dabs, get 2 good draws from them, different than Liger but very, very nice in its own way.

Yeah, I'm happy with my Halo now that I understand it a bit better.

Cheers

755 on my controller/pid is getting me around 550 on the dish. I had thought the dish was around 600 until I got that new thermocouple. I've since turned it up to 789 and I'm thinking I'll turn it back down again. I miss those low temp small dabs I didn't realize were low temp.

 

[Eatrocks]

I run my SiC halo at 1000F for about 2-3 hours and it'll burn off whatever is built-up, then you're back to a completely clean dish. Downside is you gotta use something else for a session in-between. I do this about every 3-4 weeks as I normally swab my halo clean after each session, but gunk still builds up over time that 710F won't burn off completely between 2 hour sessions.

Yea was wondering if that would work on enail. Every dab I been swiping it with a qtip then soaking the other side in h2o and steam cleaning it.

 

[SamuraiSam]

I run my SiC halo at 1000F for about 2-3 hours and it'll burn off whatever is built-up, then you're back to a completely clean dish. Downside is you gotta use something else for a session in-between. I do this about every 3-4 weeks as I normally swab my halo clean after each session, but gunk still builds up over time that 710F won't burn off completely between 2 hour sessions.

I dab around 500-600 indicated and q-tip each dab. occasionally, as needed q-tip out the center hole and threading as reclaim likes to hang out in there and create smoke trails out of the nail, and that constant semivaporizing trail is inhaled in a hit - affecting the purity of that hit - so I try to mind that. About every 4-6 weeks I follow your high heat drill too, a 900 degree clean. My dish never gets dirty with the dry, then wet Q tip, but some of the interior components build up crud that, after about 10 minutes at 900 (and lowering the temperature back to dabbing temp before switching off the e-nail to clean) are easily scraped out with a suitable tool and a few more q tips.

On my last 900 degree cycle about a month ago, I damaged my D-nail flat coil somehow. On its way past 700 degrees, something in the kevlar sheathed wire near the coil section became detached or damaged, and the coil never made it to 900, unable to climb past the 730 degree range. Now the coil only works intermittently, and requires some futzing around with the wire when the display indicates it's only holding 190 degrees, or 300 degrees, or something odd. No worries... I bought the coil used, along with my SiC dish, and didn't expect it to last forever. That I've gotten another month of use out of it while twisting up the end to get it to work, is pretty amazing...

Should I replace it with a standard issue D nail flat coil, or one of their "Extended Life" coils?

 

[Baron23]

755 on my controller/pid is getting me around 550 on the dish. I had thought the dish was around 600 until I got that new thermocouple. I've since turned it up to 789 and I'm thinking I'll turn it back down again. I miss those low temp small dabs I didn't realize were low temp.

Ok, so a 205 degree F delta. Yeah, I'm understanding how people are getting 40-50 degree deltas with their Halo.

 

[grokit]

@SamuraiSam I'd get the extended life coil. Maybe you'll get a discount if your failed coil isn't that old.

I run my sic dish at 900f for 30 minutes to clean once in a while & do the q-tip thing after every hit. Once in a while I neglect to do this, then this 900f heating regimen will take care of any remaining gunk.

 

[Baron23]

Ok, so a 205 degree F delta. Yeah, I'm understanding how people are getting 40-50 degree deltas with their Halo.

Correction....I'm NOT understanding how people are getting....etc.

I take terrible dictation! LOL

 

[StormyPinkness]

I'm back down to doing small dabs with my dish at 550, I didn't like the taste as much at 600. Actually curious how low I can go before it stops working well enough.

 

[shredder]

I'm back down to doing small dabs with my dish at 550, I didn't like the taste as much at 600. Actually curious how low I can go before it stops working well enough.

In my case and with rosin, it really varies. Each variety has its own sweet spot. And even the same variety might vary depending on when it was pressed. And of course how hot it was pressed and the micron size of the bags, or filter element if bags or filters were used. Higher filtration means less plant wax.

My settings may not be typical tho, cause I like low temp vaping.
I vape gorilla glue at 520 and super silver haze at 550 in general. And at times I'll up the temps mid session.

 

[nosmoking]

In my case and with rosin, it really varies. Each variety has its own sweet spot. And even the same variety might vary depending on when it was pressed. And of course how hot it was pressed and the micron size of the bags, or filter element if bags or filters were used. Higher filtration means less plant wax.

My settings may not be typical tho, cause I like low temp vaping.
I vape gorilla glue at 520 and super silver haze at 550 in general. And at times I'll up the temps mid session.

How are you figuring out what temp is best for each different Rosin you have? Do you have a process or routine that you follow or do you just play around with temps until your getting the flavor you want? I could imagine I would go through a lot of Rosin just trying to dial in that perfect sweet spot.

 

[shredder]

How are you figuring out what temp is best for each different Rosin you have? Do you have a process or routine that you follow or do you just play around with temps until your getting the flavor you want? I could imagine I would go through a lot of Rosin just trying to dial in that perfect sweet spot.

Lots of practice, lol.

If I do a dab and it's hot, next time I dial it back. If it's too cool, and not vaping well, I crank up the temps.

I have 6 varieties of rosin currently and 2 blends. So it's not terribly hard.

I do have a decent general idea how my set up works, so finding a sweet spot is not too hard.

 

[nosmoking]

Lots of practice, lol.

If I do a dab and it's hot, next time I dial it back. If it's too cool, and not vaping well, I crank up the temps.

I have 6 varieties of rosin currently and 2 blends. So it's not terribly hard.

I do have a decent general idea how my set up works, so finding a sweet spot is not too hard.

From our previous discussions in PM I can gather your variety is not changing up nearly as much as mine. Lately however, I have been finding I prefer more of one really great flower rosin than having a variety of 5 or 6 that only gives me barely a gram of each. Not only does it give me more time to get used to how that Rosin works but lately it seems I can get a good idea of yield range just from examining the flower so I find it better to just pick 1 or 2 strains that I feel confident in so I can keep my yields high which keeps my Rosin cost low. I tend to feel like I lost out on good Rosin or gave away money when I have a strain that only puts out 10%.

I recently squished 30 grams of shake for a friend. There were no buds, not even popcorns. I pre-pressed 10 grams at a time and then pressed them each at around 200 and got a little over a gram back from each. My friend and I felt like the 10-12% I got was a pretty decent yield for shake.

For actual flower I am really trying to keep at 20% minimum just to keep the cost/yield ratio down as much as possible.

 

[shredder]

From our previous discussions in PM I can gather your variety is not changing up nearly as much as mine. Lately however, I have been finding I prefer more of one really great flower rosin than having a variety of 5 or 6 that only gives me barely a gram of each. Not only does it give me more time to get used to how that Rosin works but lately it seems I can get a good idea of yield range just from examining the flower so I find it better to just pick 1 or 2 strains that I feel confident in so I can keep my yields high which keeps my Rosin cost low. I tend to feel like I lost out on good Rosin or gave away money when I have a strain that only puts out 10%.

I recently squished 30 grams of shake for a friend. There were no buds, not even popcorns. I pre-pressed 10 grams at a time and then pressed them each at around 200 and got a little over a gram back from each. My friend and I felt like the 10-12% I got was a pretty decent yield for shake.

For actual flower I am really trying to keep at 20% minimum just to keep the cost/yield ratio down as much as possible.

Your right, I don't change varieties frequently. As a caregiver for 5 patients I only flower 8 plants at a time.

And most of my patients still prefer flowers of old favorites. That is changing tho, and I'm seeing more demand for rosin but it's not quite 50/50 yet.

Out of four yearly harvests, I introduce 2-4 new varieties a year. Then agonize dropping a variety, lol. I still miss a variety I dropped 3 years ago, lol.

As for best rosin producing plant varieties, I'm not sure yet. I know cannatonic is terrible at <10% but it's too valuable to my patients to stop growing. So there's more to it than yields, in my case anyway. I also blend rosins for medical effects geared toward patients.

So as a small grower/caregiver there are a lot of things to consider. I have patients with serious problems so any changes are ran by them first. It would be different if just for personal use I guess. That, and I haven't found any varieties I'd want to use exclusively.

 

[invertedisdead]

Make sure your humidity level is proper. It's a key variable for rosin and definitely affects yield. Also plate temp certainly affects yield. What are you squishing at? Always gonna be a personal sweet spot between flavor and yield.

 

[StormyPinkness]

Dropped my dish temp from 550 to 520, I'm really surprised at how much vapor I get with bb-sized hits at this temp.

 

[wolfsmoke]

im making my first enail purchase soon. Im gonna go with the sic halo with a sapphire insert but im trying to decide between the dnail mini beta or the 1.3
Is there really that big of a difference between them? The website says they r both accurate to the degree. only big difference i see is the 1.3 has an extra outlet in the back and is a bit bigger. Can anyone fill me in on the more technical differences between the controllers??

and i know i can source the controller else where for cheaper but im going with dnail cause they have a decent reputation/warranty and i just wanna order everything in one package and not worry about any compatibility issues (im a noob to enails)
Im really just wondering if the 1.3 is worth the extra money.
ill be using it very frequently, like all day lol.

Thanks!

 

[Likes2vape]

I would just go with the mini nail. I don't see an advantage going with the 1.3. I have been using my Dnail SiC halo with the New Vape Flowerpot. It's a pretty awesome set up.

 

[ensabbahnur]

I would just go with the mini nail. I don't see an advantage going with the 1.3. I have been using my Dnail SiC halo with the New Vape Flowerpot. It's a pretty awesome set up.

flowerpot with sic halo dish?? tell me more