Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

[lwien]

Can we get a tally of the dead crafty so far?
Think that's 5 or so?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/early-adopter-how-much-of-a-risk.16704/

 

[h3rbalist]

Can we get a tally of the dead crafty so far?
Think that's 5 or so?

I think its probably in double figures.

My issue is not everyone who have had replacement units come back and tell how things are going with the new ones.

@h3rbalist no problem. 70hrs , it was used as a main driver which it's not made for. im still happy with the unit and think it's a great design. So much so i plan on getting a volcano to go with it. So have emailed storz and bickel about next step. No I wasn't charging and using unit when it failed. It worked fine then it didn't turn on. Also wasn't having any issues. (It may of been taking slightly longer to hit temp,but not 100%)

Thanks pal,

I'm at 50'ish hours, my unit overheats takes longer to charge and heat. Just waiting for the error lights of death then I'll be sending it in for a new one.

@lwien

Although a great idea, I think the 'how much of a risk' thread is a little misleading.

The last 3 guys (including smokie) who have reported failed units here did not post in your thread.

 

[DMPesso]

Sad to report death of my crafty
Red and orange light show.

I think this is happenin from overuse it seems all the failures were over used or used while charging

Thanks @smokie!

And I agree with @DMPesso, the chamber screen is wayy to open for a unit like the Crafty. Since I haven't ordered a lot of the finer S&B screens specifically for Crafty, I've been using Silver Surfer screens for the past 3-4 days, since I have a laaaarge amount of them.
It keeps a lot of the this grimey stuff out of the chamber (which makes cleaning faster and easier) and, at least in my experiences so far, it has stopped that vapor leakage you sometimes see.

One potential issue with the SSV screen is that it is slightly too big in diameter, so when you put it in the chamber it bulges out slightly. I still pack the same amount I normally do, and it has been no problem at all.

and @sweettooth I know that feel, it seems like it will never go. But, like many things, time (probably 4-5 days max of vaping) will mend it.

It honestly pisses me off that it's designed to leak soooo much abv into the cu

Has anyone tried using the liquid pad as the screen for the CU ? Read it somewhere on reddit was curious if anyone has tried it.

Are you using a liquid pad for your seasons at max temp ? How much material are you using for your sessions at max temp ?

No liquid pad just 90-100% full packed chamber but not pressed down to leave room for air flow

I don't like the taste with a full tight pack

 

[skyvaper]

I just tried vaping some essential oils and now i cant get rid of the taste of lemongrass from the crafty.I used about 3 drops on the liquid oil pad.does anyone know if this taste will go after time ? I just tried giving it a soak in Isoprophyl and no luck.

I used my davinci vape with some essential oil and it took a while for the smell/taste to go away. I never did that again! Your gonna have to bite the bullet and just "enjoy" that flavor for a little while but it does go away.

 

[t-dub]

One thing I like about the smaller cooling unit on Crafty is the taste. It seems to deliver a stronger, more satisfying, flavor surfing experience at the lower default temps. Mighty, with its larger cooling unit, is lending itself to higher temps for me.

 

[skyvaper]

So I noticed when I cranked the crafty up to max temp the session was great. Half pack with oil pad. I did notice when I opened up the app right after the session it said the unit needs to cool down. But the device itself never gave any indication it was too hot and needed to cool down with led flashing red and blue. Anyone else notice this? If this is an issue this might be the cause of some units needing service because users weren't aware that they needed to shut it off. Thoughts????

 

[smokie]

To anyone that sent crafty back, do they mean just unit without CU? Not sure what they mean by valve?
T.I.A

 

[t-dub]

To anyone that sent crafty back, do they mean just unit without CU? Not sure what they mean by valve?
T.I.A

Just send back the base unit in the original box with your documentation. You can keep the accessories as a bonus . . .

 

[Pjake]

I would like to know this as well as this seems inevitable since its stainless steel and that easily scracthes if another metal touches it. I don't see a way around this and it sucks because I can see this maybe causing some damage or different taste because of the scratched metal? At least I hope not

On a side note I have been having much better luck with the fine screen in the cooling unit and just doing start to finish at max temp! HUGE CLOUDS even though I only get about 4 clouds it's worth it such a nice effect it's like a bong rip that's how big the cloud is. Without using max temp I do notice a slight reduction of clouds but the fact that I hardly ever get anything leaking into the CU makes it WAYY worth it. I was honestly pissed that s and b designed it with the big screen because it leaked SO MUCH. Maybe one day they'll come out with a revised screen that's the perfect size holes to not leak but I doubt it. Only problem I can see with the finer screen is the screen getting clogged with sticky resin since the holes are so small. What's the best way to prevent this and clean the screen as well? It's amazing after a session how much abv is sitting on the screen in the CU it makes you wonder of the regular screen were on all that ABV would be leaking into the CU

May I suggest a coarser grind? I use a 10 year old space case. Fairly coarse grind. I get zero abv in the cooling unit with the standard top screen. I've seen ya post about the issue a couple times now. I've had zero issues with the abv gettin up there. Mayve your cooling unit has a defect. Have you tried a different one?

 

[sweettooth]

I used my davinci vape with some essential oil and it took a while for the smell/taste to go away. I never did that again! Your gonna have to bite the bullet and just "enjoy" that flavor for a little while but it does go away.

Cool cheers mate, most of it has gone already im never using essential oils again lol.

 

[sweettooth]

Another thing I love about the crafty and mighty is that I dont inhale any particulate at all, none what so ever. I love the E-nano and SSV but I always inhaled particulate. I know you can use water but the high feels less satisfying when i do even the Volcano I inhaled some particulate sometimes.

 

[ceener]

May I suggest a coarser grind? I use a 10 year old space case. Fairly coarse grind. I get zero abv in the cooling unit with the standard top screen. I've seen ya post about the issue a couple times now. I've had zero issues with the abv gettin up there. Mayve your cooling unit has a defect. Have you tried a different one?

Yeah coarser grind always works better with the Crafty, I'd say with any convection vape as well (SSV, E-Nano). The thick pieces of material have nowhere to go.

Another thing I love about the crafty and mighty is that I dont inhale any particulate at all, none what so ever. I love the E-nano and SSV but I always inhaled particulate. I know you can use water but the high feels less satisfying when i do even the Volcano I inhaled some particulate sometimes.

And I agree completely @sweettooth, Crafty is soooooo good at tasting pure, cool, and amazing.

 

[DorianGray]

had to shovel lots of snow today. good thing i had my crafty

 

[DMPesso]

May I suggest a coarser grind? I use a 10 year old space case. Fairly coarse grind. I get zero abv in the cooling unit with the standard top screen. I've seen ya post about the issue a couple times now. I've had zero issues with the abv gettin up there. Mayve your cooling unit has a defect. Have you tried a different one?

No definitely not defective i have a few I bought and Im using one with the fine screen now just max temp it start to finish with good results. But even when I did a coarse grind slight amounts would leak in. I'm gonna try again but more coarse with the regular screen to compare. But it just bugs me because they provided that grinder but it's not meant for it? I really want to know how they intended it to work.

 

[philosopher]

I agree that plenty of non-defective cooling units get abv leaking in with the stock screen, but I don't know why people care. As long as you're not inhaling abv it's just being nitpicky. As for the fine screen - I just tried it with my new unit, and it's already pretty glazed. I agree it doesn't let abv in, but I don't think it really helps reduce the buildup of glaze. I also think that it restricts airflow - at first the restriction is negligible, but after a couple of days the screen simply gets clogged. This is why I think S&B went with the coarser screen: the clogging is literally the same as when the Plenty upper screen would get clogged after a few uses. Going back to the coarser screen for me. Given how easy the cooling chamber is to clean, the extra airflow is more than worth it for me.

 

[Pjake]

No definitely not defective i have a few I bought and Im using one with the fine screen now just max temp it start to finish with good results. But even when I did a coarse grind slight amounts would leak in. I'm gonna try again but more coarse with the regular screen to compare. But it just bugs me because they provided that grinder but it's not meant for it? I really want to know how they intended it to work.

Fair point about the provided grinder man. I've only used it a couple times but it's definetly a finer grind than my space case.

 

[psychonaut]

Can you not grind the herb up coarser with mill? I do 15 turns on bone dry nugs to get my magic dust

 

[DMPesso]

I agree that plenty of non-defective cooling units get abv leaking in with the stock screen, but I don't know why people care. As long as you're not inhaling abv it's just being nitpicky. As for the fine screen - I just tried it with my new unit, and it's already pretty glazed. I agree it doesn't let abv in, but I don't think it really helps reduce the buildup of glaze. I also think that it restricts airflow - at first the restriction is negligible, but after a couple of days the screen simply gets clogged. This is why I think S&B went with the coarser screen: the clogging is literally the same as when the Plenty upper screen would get clogged after a few uses. Going back to the coarser screen for me. Given how easy the cooling chamber is to clean, the extra airflow is more than worth it for me.

It's not that I mind it's just a little off putting to know they designed it like this because even the pax doesn't leak ABV. No vape that I know of at least leaks so much abv and it's not a small amount ! If you grind the bud and use the regular screen you literally have to clean the cu every 2 sessions and it's a real pain to get all that gunky abv out. I could care less about the glaze thats not what Im talking about Im strictly talking about ABV.

 

[t-dub]

Use a coarser grind. You are never going to get rid of the "glaze" because thats resin and if it wasn't there you wouldn't be getting stoned . . .

 

[Stu]

It's not that I mind it's just a little off putting to know they designed it like this because even the pax doesn't leak ABV. No vape that I know of at least leaks so much abv and it's not a small amount ! If you grind the bud and use the regular screen you literally have to clean the cu every 2 sessions and it's a real pain to get all that gunky abv out. I could care less about the glaze thats not what Im talking about Im strictly talking about ABV.

The Pax is a very different design and does not have any convection heating (requiring flow) so herbal material has nowhere to go. The Crafty is designed to allow for convective heating through the load and this has a consequence of dealing with herbal material being exposed to the airflow and therefore bits will make it out of the heating chamber. The cooling unit is designed to capture these bits and with a secondary screen placed prior to the mouthpiece, scooby snacks are eliminated entirely.

After replacing the course screen in the cooling unit with the fine mesh, I no longer have herbal matter accumulating in the cooling unit at all.

As far as cleaning the "CU" every 2 sessions? Well that seems to be a bit hyperbolic to me as I've gone 20 sessions without cleaning and not had an issue with draw or taste. YMMV.

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

The Pax is a very different design and does not have any convection heating (requiring flow) so herbal material has nowhere to go. The Crafty is designed to allow for convective heating through the load and this has a consequence of dealing with herbal material being exposed to the airflow and therefore bits will make it out of the heating chamber. The cooling unit is designed to capture these bits and with a secondary screen placed prior to the mouthpiece, scooby snacks are eliminated entirely.

After replacing the course screen in the cooling unit with the fine mesh, I no longer have herbal matter accumulating in the cooling unit at all.

As far as cleaning the "CU" every 2 sessions? Well that seems to be a bit hyperbolic to me as I've gone 20 sessions without cleaning and not had an issue with draw or taste. YMMV.

Geez I've only cleaned mine 3 times since I got it. I ordered mine the day this thread was created so ... every two sessions seems pretty unnecessary to me

 

[Vapoz]

Wow, i'm really learning to use my Crafty, normally i vape 2 bowls of sativa and then smoke a indica before go to bed, i've managed to not combust in three days. I just hook up the Crafty to my Orbiter put some 90/100% indica with a high CBD ratio and crank the temp up to 205c.

The morning fuzi-ness is much lesser opposed to combusting a joint, i'm really happy because the reason i bought the Crafty is to get body-stoned, not the clear headed high from the MFLB.

Also i've tried some Moroccan Hash in the Crafty with the liquid pad, it's not cheap hash it's oily and potent, i've got some good clouds on 210c will try some more. The hash didn't melt fully, it looked the same actually but less oily. Can i re-use the hash to combust?

Excuse me for my English

 

[psychonaut]

Dont want a glazed fine screen on the cooling unit? Use smaller loads and place the oilpad on top. Double protection from abv in the cooling unit. There will be draw restriction. Not a ton but its there.

I have probably ran 7 grams since i cleaned the whole thing and yes i see some glaze, but thats after about 50 sessions. Its just not an issue for me.

I want everyone to have as good of an experience with their crafty as I do. If youre curious how i use the device with little maintenance just pm me or dig through my posts in this thread.

When i vape i know i will get medicated, when i clean the cooling unit I know the reclaim is debris free mostly. I dont clean anything usually until i hit the half oz mark, thee just aint enough reclaim to bother with. Im a harvester.

 

[DMPesso]

Yeah coarser grind always works better with the Crafty, I'd say with any convection vape as well (SSV, E-Nano). The thick pieces of material have nowhere to go.



And I agree completely @sweettooth, Crafty is soooooo good at tasting pure, cool, and amazing.

Don't you feel you get less vapor from coarse grinded nugs? When I tried that I didn't get vapor for nearly as long as when the bud was grinded

The Pax is a very different design and does not have any convection heating (requiring flow) so herbal material has nowhere to go. The Crafty is designed to allow for convective heating through the load and this has a consequence of dealing with herbal material being exposed to the airflow and therefore bits will make it out of the heating chamber. The cooling unit is designed to capture these bits and with a secondary screen placed prior to the mouthpiece, scooby snacks are eliminated entirely.

After replacing the course screen in the cooling unit with the fine mesh, I no longer have herbal matter accumulating in the cooling unit at all.

As far as cleaning the "CU" every 2 sessions? Well that seems to be a bit hyperbolic to me as I've gone 20 sessions without cleaning and not had an issue with draw or taste. YMMV.

When I was using the regular coarse screen with the Orange grinder they provided which would seem the proper way to use it, I literally had to clean it every 2 sessions because there was so much ABV inside. I mean I didn't HAVE TO clean it but there was ALOT in there. So the only answer seems to be use the finer screen or oil pad which i definitely don't want to do as I like the free flow and an almost fully packed chamber or deal with cleaning up the ABV or use a coarse grind but then not 100% of materal gets vaporized as I do notice a reduction in session length and vapor amount when using coarse grind vs fine

 

[t-dub]

I would recommend a higher quality grinder than the S&B model. Personally I like the Santa Cruz Shredder. The shred is the new grind . . .

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