Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel
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Yeah, if 383F is the highest temp possible, that's a downer for me. Might the Android app unlock higher temps? I just went to the S&B website and no info is given that I can find. Thanks!
OMEiAM
Well-Known Member
The highest temperature is 410F.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
The STOCK booster temp is 383°F. With the app, it can be boosted to a max operating temp of 410°F.
Edit: @Snappo Check out this chart. Shows good comparison info between their vapes, including operating temp ranges.
Crohnie
Crohn's Warrior
If it is 410F, they need to update their website. It says 383F in one place and 410F in another.
natural farmer
Well-Known Member
I don't see how the filling tool will keep specs of herb off the bowl screen… For sure it's gonna be better than the Firefly since it doesn't need stirring but eventually it will need cleaning.
Anyone with a Crafty/Mighty tried to take out the screen or even tried to find a way under the bowl???
darkrom
Great Scott!
Won't get too into this since its still charging now, but I broke the rules and tried a bowl (half of a full bowl) between me and a friend. We both like it. Super easy to use and super consistent hits. The ABV looked REALLY even.
To me the flavor is EERILY similar to the first hits of a super fresh volcano bag. I hit it and thought "wow this is a volcano in a walkie talkie form, without bags to ruin some of the flavor". Is flavor better than my firefly? Yes and no. The firefly can make better flavor than the half bowl at stock temp that I tried so far, but it can also make worse flavor if you scorch one area. I think the consistency of hits being the same and so precise means better flavor overall honestly.
I don't want to jump the gun. All things I say are subjective to changing!
So far it was great without connecting the app. I'll admit I was in a rush, didn't bother to use the fill tool. Just hand loaded it. I need to really read the manual and figure out the small details. Its charging now. I will say without reading anything it was easy to pick up, pack by hand, and start getting great hits at 180 without using a phone at all. I was surprised by how smooth the hits were at that temp. No harshness at all.
Everyone loves products when they are new. I'm 100% aware that this could be the "honeymoon phase" talking, but so far my initial review feels like I'm going to love this thing. I'm curious what battery life will be like, but with microUSB I can charge it basically anywhere. I'll be getting a microusb battery pack too just to keep in the glovebox or take on hikes...if its even needed that is.
Connecting to the android app was great. One of the more painless BT connections.
I think its pretty telling that someone who didn't read the manual or anything like that was able to pick it up and go to town. No learning curve for great high quality flavorful potent hits. Very happy camper based on that one half bowl. Time will tell if I stay happy.
To me the flavor is EERILY similar to the first hits of a super fresh volcano bag. I hit it and thought "wow this is a volcano in a walkie talkie form, without bags to ruin some of the flavor". Is flavor better than my firefly? Yes and no. The firefly can make better flavor than the half bowl at stock temp that I tried so far, but it can also make worse flavor if you scorch one area. I think the consistency of hits being the same and so precise means better flavor overall honestly.
I don't want to jump the gun. All things I say are subjective to changing!
So far it was great without connecting the app. I'll admit I was in a rush, didn't bother to use the fill tool. Just hand loaded it. I need to really read the manual and figure out the small details. Its charging now. I will say without reading anything it was easy to pick up, pack by hand, and start getting great hits at 180 without using a phone at all. I was surprised by how smooth the hits were at that temp. No harshness at all.
Everyone loves products when they are new. I'm 100% aware that this could be the "honeymoon phase" talking, but so far my initial review feels like I'm going to love this thing. I'm curious what battery life will be like, but with microUSB I can charge it basically anywhere. I'll be getting a microusb battery pack too just to keep in the glovebox or take on hikes...if its even needed that is.
Connecting to the android app was great. One of the more painless BT connections.
I think its pretty telling that someone who didn't read the manual or anything like that was able to pick it up and go to town. No learning curve for great high quality flavorful potent hits. Very happy camper based on that one half bowl. Time will tell if I stay happy.
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OMEiAM
Well-Known Member
Did you use the liquid pad for that half bowl?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Where do you see that 383°F is the max? On the main splash screen for the Crafty, it says that 383°F is the temp reached by the default booster temp. No where does it say that is the max (that I've personally seen). Every place I've read about a max temp says 410°F.
darkrom
Great Scott!
I was trying not to confuse...and I failed lol. I packed the bowl fully, just shut it off when me and my friend finished it to about "halfway done" looking ABV.
We didn't stir or shake and it appears to be vaping very very evenly.
Storz&Bickel answered few questions and one of them was if the screen is removable for cleaning. They said that it can be removed and that a replacement screen is included in the package.
philosopher
Well-Known Member
From what I have seen, when using the filling tool, you place it right over the bowl itself, without taking it off. The heating element is never exposed while the bowl is being loaded. I suppose after you've emptied and brushed it, you'd then remove the bowl and clean it separately. But the thing looks like a mini-plenty bowl, and in my experience you'd have to try to get material into the heating element.
Agreed in that I really want to see someone do an in-depth analysis of that aspect of the vape.
darkrom
Great Scott!
True no stir vape for me. Tojpeg
y even vaping without any stirring or shaking here.
The 180 and the stock boost mode are excellent temps. Yes I'll tinker, but yes I'd be happy with those 2 without an app for now.
EDIT: OK... some of you may object to the idea that a vape can't produce stronger effects with one vape than any other. As in all vapor is equal. I've disagreed with that for quite a while now, especially since I get equally medicated from 1 bowl in my pax as I do from my firefly. The firefly holds about 1/3 of the weight of the pax. Same bud...
So no fanboy or price bias here either, I found I got a strong high from a volcano, but I'd get the same high from a cloud bowl which is literally 1/4 the weight or less that I'd be using in my volcano. I ended up selling my volcano. Awesome vape, but not at all right for me, fair enough right?
So with all that said I think the crafty brings us closer than before (IME anywhay) to "portable desktop" aka the holy grail. I can see this being used for a desktop and portable, if battery life allows (or the mighty more ideally in that case). Its really that much more potent. I know I'll have an outcry of people saying I just don't know how to use my vapes etc and that the MFLB can get you just as high as the herbalizer etc etc. I respectfully disagree. I definitely notice a variance between devices. I won't claim to know why it is, but it is real for me. This crafty is the "strongest" portable I've used yet. The battery life I'm not sure, I keep charging it in between. I did let it get fully charged after my first test bowl but didn't time it.
I really need to kill it to be accurate with battery. There WILL be huge variances with this vape. Due to it keeping temp really stable, you can kill a bowl as fast as you want. I'll race the clock eventually. Doing this will allow serious increase in bowls because whenever it is on the heater is maintaining set temp. If you vape 3 bowls in 10 minutes or 1 bowl in 10 minutes, its the same battery usage. Unlike most vapes its up to the user how much they want to rush or just sit back. It'll probably change my habits and make my sessions faster. Not sure if that is better or worse. I don't even want to comment on battery life since its far from calibrated on my unit so far. It needs to "adjust" or something like new batteries sometimes do. I was looking at it charge live via the android app and it was only on 2/6 after "a while", and I thought "DAMN THIS IS SLOW" but then shortly after it jumped from half full, to fully charged. I unplugged it and plugged it back in to confirm, yep fully charged. So I need to kill it and charge it to 100%. Then I'll see how many bowls I get with my particular usage speed.
Very happy with it so far.
y even vaping without any stirring or shaking here.
The 180 and the stock boost mode are excellent temps. Yes I'll tinker, but yes I'd be happy with those 2 without an app for now.
EDIT: OK... some of you may object to the idea that a vape can't produce stronger effects with one vape than any other. As in all vapor is equal. I've disagreed with that for quite a while now, especially since I get equally medicated from 1 bowl in my pax as I do from my firefly. The firefly holds about 1/3 of the weight of the pax. Same bud...
So no fanboy or price bias here either, I found I got a strong high from a volcano, but I'd get the same high from a cloud bowl which is literally 1/4 the weight or less that I'd be using in my volcano. I ended up selling my volcano. Awesome vape, but not at all right for me, fair enough right?
So with all that said I think the crafty brings us closer than before (IME anywhay) to "portable desktop" aka the holy grail. I can see this being used for a desktop and portable, if battery life allows (or the mighty more ideally in that case). Its really that much more potent. I know I'll have an outcry of people saying I just don't know how to use my vapes etc and that the MFLB can get you just as high as the herbalizer etc etc. I respectfully disagree. I definitely notice a variance between devices. I won't claim to know why it is, but it is real for me. This crafty is the "strongest" portable I've used yet. The battery life I'm not sure, I keep charging it in between. I did let it get fully charged after my first test bowl but didn't time it.
I really need to kill it to be accurate with battery. There WILL be huge variances with this vape. Due to it keeping temp really stable, you can kill a bowl as fast as you want. I'll race the clock eventually. Doing this will allow serious increase in bowls because whenever it is on the heater is maintaining set temp. If you vape 3 bowls in 10 minutes or 1 bowl in 10 minutes, its the same battery usage. Unlike most vapes its up to the user how much they want to rush or just sit back. It'll probably change my habits and make my sessions faster. Not sure if that is better or worse. I don't even want to comment on battery life since its far from calibrated on my unit so far. It needs to "adjust" or something like new batteries sometimes do. I was looking at it charge live via the android app and it was only on 2/6 after "a while", and I thought "DAMN THIS IS SLOW" but then shortly after it jumped from half full, to fully charged. I unplugged it and plugged it back in to confirm, yep fully charged. So I need to kill it and charge it to 100%. Then I'll see how many bowls I get with my particular usage speed.
Very happy with it so far.
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Been Vapin
Fringe Class
There was an update for the Crafty App today on Android. Not exactly sure what changed.
darkrom
Great Scott!
"minor errors resolved" lol. Maybe things like my weird battery display jump?
El Barto
Well-Known Member
Just tried to connect my Crafty to a fully up to date Nexus 5 which happens to be one of the supported devices listed on the Storz website. No go. Followed the instruction manual exactly 12+ times in a row. Restarted both the phone and app multiple times. Mine says: "No vaporizer found: Ensure that the vaporizer is switched on and try again."
Anybody else having a similar problem?
Anybody else having a similar problem?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
If you already have a car adapter with USB port, no need to buy another. Thankfully I already have one, so won't need to purchase one. Agreed that $16 isn't too bad of a price.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Good point I wasn't thinking about the USB port. Most folks probably have something like that. That's one of the features that I do like is the USB port. It sounds like most folks are pretty happy with there's.
I'm sure it's a vape worthy of anybody's lineup. It looks like a very nice vaporizer, not pretty but who needs that. It's function ability and how it holds up and continual use that takes some time to see.Im glad FC has some early adopters who can run these vaporizers through the paces.
It's Finally Friday people.
I'm sure it's a vape worthy of anybody's lineup. It looks like a very nice vaporizer, not pretty but who needs that. It's function ability and how it holds up and continual use that takes some time to see.Im glad FC has some early adopters who can run these vaporizers through the paces.
It's Finally Friday people.
darkrom
Great Scott!
Less smelly than both of those I feel, but still noticeable. When cold it may smell more than most vapes cold, or I may be smelling the actual bud in it. Its hard to say but I'll keep trying to see how much I can smell it.
I just tried it at 160. Taste city. I also tried it at 200c.... WAY too hot for me haha. I suck with temps. I really have no concept of what temps I vape at since all my other vapes have analog heating systems. Never had digital since my POS vapir 5.0 that rightfully was thrown in the trash. I need to learn what I like but 200c is too hot for me.
I'm finding that its almost like they picked 180c and 195c on purpose
So far the stock temps are the best for me. Maybe I'll do 160 as the base temp and 195 as the boost and get a little of both. Time will tell.BTW its easy to overmedicate with this vape. I dab (small) daily. 3 bowls in like an hour has me really out of commission, which hasn't been happening lately from herb. This thing will make taking a break from oil EASY and even enjoyable. Was able to hit that last bowl while walking 2 dogs at once. Very 1 hand friendly. Did I mention no stirring yet...I really like that.
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Bill Densoyle
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Hello, I have registered an account because I've had a few thoughts and observations I'd like to contribute. Here's what I can think of at the moment, then I might remember a few more things later:
1) I don't think the Instructions For Use recommend to use "iso" or Isoproyl Alcohol, it says to use Ethyl Alcohol for cleaning purposes. It also lists "warm water with wash-up liquid" as an alternative. Maybe Everclear would be good for reclaiming condensate in the cooling unit, and Bronner's Soap would be good for cleaning parts without reclaiming consendate. Can anyone point me to good information on how to reclaim condensate? And also it says don't soak the parts in alcohol for longer than one hour, which I always have done to clean the Volcano with no apparent problems.
2) The 10/14 version of the Price List, available online, lists a Power Bank for the Crafty sold by the manufacturer. I haven't seen this mentioned in the discussion of power banks on the board here. It appears to not be for sale yet, same as the car adapter for The Mighty.
3) I've seen a Mighty in person but not a Crafty yet, and if you listen very closely to it you can hear a bunch of very quiet whirring and buzzing sounds coming from the device.
4) In principle, I am opposed to the storage of my data in a cloud and then the monetization of it however they can for commercial purposes. That's one reason I prefer The Mighty instead of The Crafty, because I'll pass on the smart phone and the whole App thing.
5) I looked at it with a liquid pad is inserted, and to me it looked like there isn't very much room for anything else to fit in the bowl.
I think it's like The Bible, you know, some people read the source material and other people rely on the interpretations of others.
1) I don't think the Instructions For Use recommend to use "iso" or Isoproyl Alcohol, it says to use Ethyl Alcohol for cleaning purposes. It also lists "warm water with wash-up liquid" as an alternative. Maybe Everclear would be good for reclaiming condensate in the cooling unit, and Bronner's Soap would be good for cleaning parts without reclaiming consendate. Can anyone point me to good information on how to reclaim condensate? And also it says don't soak the parts in alcohol for longer than one hour, which I always have done to clean the Volcano with no apparent problems.
2) The 10/14 version of the Price List, available online, lists a Power Bank for the Crafty sold by the manufacturer. I haven't seen this mentioned in the discussion of power banks on the board here. It appears to not be for sale yet, same as the car adapter for The Mighty.
3) I've seen a Mighty in person but not a Crafty yet, and if you listen very closely to it you can hear a bunch of very quiet whirring and buzzing sounds coming from the device.
4) In principle, I am opposed to the storage of my data in a cloud and then the monetization of it however they can for commercial purposes. That's one reason I prefer The Mighty instead of The Crafty, because I'll pass on the smart phone and the whole App thing.
5) I looked at it with a liquid pad is inserted, and to me it looked like there isn't very much room for anything else to fit in the bowl.
I think it's like The Bible, you know, some people read the source material and other people rely on the interpretations of others.