Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

[Thcgos]

Oh, only when compared to other session-style vapes. It's a good thing that no one has compared it to instant-convection styled vapes... otherwise I might seem as though I belong in the looney bin.

And we must be especially thankful that no one has made flavor comparisons. Otherwise, it might seem as though FC is wildly incompent in its comparisons.

Now, I feel much better.

Dude you're not adding any value to this thread by doing this.
I could list heaps of reasons why the crafty is the perfect vape for me and most other vapes aren't.
Different vapes for different mates.

Some attributes of a vape are weighed differently in different peoples minds.
I love ducatis... Doesn't mean everyone should ride a ducati bike.

Actually, I will list some of my pros just so you understand where us crafty users are coming from:
-I personally don't care about heat up time so it's a non issue,
-I love the app and the fact that I can customise vibrate settings and led settings. It has counters, firmware (which I'm sure will lead to custom firmware or firmware updates at least, which could change aspects of it auto off settings and perhaps remote on).
-I love the fact that there haven't been many major faults reported and given the amount of people purchasing them on here I think that's a good indication of quality
-I love not having to interrupt my session to stir
-I love how cool and smooth it is.
-I love that it has a micro usb port to recharge
-I love how effective it is
-I love the flavour
-I love how the mouthpiece folds up
-I love how easy it is to dis assemble the cooling unit and clean
-I love the design of the cooling unit, it definitely works and I never get debris/scoobies in my mouth.
-I love the unrestricted draw.
-I love that the plastic doesn't have any bad flavour (after the first run that is). (of course I would prefer glass though)
-I love how small and light weight it is.
-I have grown to love the looks of it.
-I love that it is a silo design, by that I mean every aspect battery/circuitry seem to be isolated from the heating tube (that's what I call it anyway lol) .
-I love the cooling fins (heatsink fins) on it as it serves multiple purposes, cooling and stopping you from covering up the air intake.
-I love the filling tool
-I love the pads for half pack
-I love the attention to detail that can be seem in every aspect of this device.
-I am a session vaper so it suits my needs
-I love that it's made in Germany (sure some components are sourced from China but I still value this regardless).
-I love the fact that it comes from the most trusted name in the industry.
-I love the temperature control.

I haven't tried the FF or ESV and am curious about them, but I've tried a fair few other modern portable vape and this in my opinion blows them out of the water (as an overall package). Sure it's expensive but given all my above points it suits me perfectly so I can justify it.

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Dude you're not adding any value to this thread by doing this.
I could list heaps of reasons why the crafty is the perfect vape for me and most other vapes aren't.
Different vapes for different mates.

Some attributes of a vape are weighed differently in different peoples minds.
I love ducatis... Doesn't mean everyone should ride a ducati bike.

Actually, I will list some of my pros just so you understand where us crafty users are coming from:
-I personally don't care about heat up time so it's a non issue,
-I love the app and the fact that I can customise vibrate settings and led settings. It has counters, firmware (which I'm sure will lead to custom firmware or firmware updates at least, which could change aspects of it auto off settings and perhaps remote on).
-I love the fact that there haven't been many major faults reported and given the amount of people purchasing them on here I think that's a good indication of quality
-I love not having to interrupt my session to stir
-I love how cool and smooth it is.
-I love that it has a micro usb port to recharge
-I love how effective it is
-I love the flavour
-I love how the mouthpiece folds up
-I love how easy it is to dis assemble the cooling unit and clean
-I love the design of the cooling unit, it definitely works and I never get debris/scoobies in my mouth.
-I love the unrestricted draw.
-I love that the plastic doesn't have any bad flavour (after the first run that is). (of course I would prefer glass though)
-I love how small and light weight it is.
-I have grown to love the looks of it.
-I love that it is a silo design, by that I mean every aspect battery/circuitry seem to be isolated from the heating tube (that's what I call it anyway lol) .
-I love the cooling fins (heatsink fins) on it as it serves multiple purposes, cooling and stopping you from covering up the air intake.
-I love the filling tool
-I love the pads for half pack
-I love the attention to detail that can be seem in every aspect of this device.
-I am a session vaper so it suits my needs
-I love that it's made in Germany (sure some components are sourced from China but I still value this regardless).

I haven't tried the FF or ESV and am curious about them, but I've tried a fair few every other modern portable vape and this in my opinion blows them out of the water (as an overall package).

That was incredidily helpful and informative. Thank you. You've done everyone here a solid. You're adding such a great service here. Especially by starting with "I love..."

The Firefly and Crafty are designed very differently. Yes, the FF is almost totally convection, and this brings pros and cons. Pros including fantastic taste and virtually zero loss of goodies when not being hit. Cons including some learning curve and limited battery life.

We all have to weigh the pros and cons when purchasing these expensive items. I have zero regrets with either purchase.

Apples and oranges IMO. I choose the fruit salad.

That being said if I had to choose, I would personally be more pissed about losing my Crafty than losing my FF.

As helpful as this. "Well, these things are different, and they both work great, but I'm just going to go ahead and say one is better than the other, even though I just said they're different."

Good work.

Yeah, so many objective opinions being thrown around here. Marvelous.

 

[El Barto]

Don't see the value in debating the objectivity of the thread or other posts. I do see tremendous value, however, in a substantive comparison of the Firefly vs. the Crafty. In an attempt to move this conversation in that direction....

The Crafty provides extremely precise and flexible temperature control. On the other hand, the Firefly swings quickly between a huge range of temperatures. With the Firefly, you have to trust or "feel" that you are on your desired temperature. The heat-up speed of the Firefly beats the Crafty, no doubt. But as far as temperature control is concerned, the Crafty literally crushes the Firefly like a bug.

 

[natural farmer]

I sold my FF to fund a Crafty cause the Crafty is easier to maintain in a pristine condition, requires less cleaning, no stirring, I can finish the load with one hand, it can be plugged in and be used any the same time and I don't have to send it to another continent if it breaks... I miss the instant heat of the FF but I miss the Lotus more as it kicked FF's ass anytime in Vapor production!
Lotus also gave me more satisfying clouds than the Crafty...

 

[darkrom]

Fwiw I'd feel like I'd need at least 3 firefly bowls to get the effects of one crafty bowl. So for me that means carrying my firefly, reloading 3x, swapping in a 2nd battery, and spending like 15+ minutes hitting it over and over.

I'd rather hit one bowl in the crafty in 5 Min and be done with stronger effects. That is the reason my firefly sits in my drawer as a backup vape.

In the end effects are the most important to me. I simply can't medicate NEARLY as well with the firefly, and before the crafty it was my absolute favorite herb vape.

Before the crafty I found myself using oil more than buds because I was having trouble getting desired results. I haven't used oil on the go since I got my crafty, the effects are that much stronger.

 

[Thcgos]

Fwiw I'd feel like I'd need at least 3 firefly bowls to get the effects of one crafty bowl. So for me that means carrying my firefly, reloading 3x, swapping in a 2nd battery, and spending like 15+ minutes hitting it over and over.

I'd rather hit one bowl in the crafty in 5 Min and be done with stronger effects. That is the reason my firefly sits in my drawer as a backup vape.

In the end effects are the most important to me. I simply can't medicate NEARLY as well with the firefly, and before the crafty it was my absolute favorite herb vape.

Before the crafty I found myself using oil more than buds because I was having trouble getting desired results. I haven't used oil on the go since I got my crafty, the effects are that much stronger.

Agreed; This is one of many reason I went from solo to crafty as my main portable. I was getting sick of long sessions. Sometimes you want quicker delivery, especially when you are in a group.

I don't know about US prices, but in my country it is more expensive to get a Firefly with back up battery and charger, than it is to get a crafty and a portable battery bank that will charge it, on-the-fly, 3x over.

 

[c0rpse]

I've had my Crafty for about a week.

I absolutely love it. Everything about it is well thought out, and it hits like a champ. It hits so well, tastes so good, and is so easy to fill/clean that I have been overindulging. Honestly, I am using this thing wayy too much. My consumption has at least doubled. Not because of lack of efficiency. I just enjoy using it so much my number of sessions gone up. If this continues, I'm going to have to part ways with the unit. Unfortunately I have terrible self control, and this thing is definitely not helping!

 

[VapeNStone]

Wow you guys use your a lot! Lol I have had mine for a little bit now and have only logged one hour lol

 

[OMEiAM]

@darkrom I just wanted to add that the Crafty app doesn't work on my tablet anymore now that it runs Android 5.0 (Lollipop). My phone that in on 4.4.4 works just fine.

 

[philosopher]

Man, EveryDayAmnesiac, your post cracked me up

It's not so much that I disagree with any of your points so much as I find it strange how angered you seem by them.

I prefer to vape on *my* time, not when my vaporizer says it's ready to vape.

Like you make it sound as if the Crafty is some temperamental girlfriend that has to make time for you. If waiting 120 seconds is not vaping on *your* time, I am baffled as to what the phrase even means. It's not like there's some weird Crafty schedule that you have to vape on.

...forces it to use partial - conduction heating

By this logic, all vapes "force" the user to use one heating method or another, whether it forces one to use conduction or convection. I've never seen a vape that will allow the user to toggle the conduction and convection elements of it in real-time according to his or her preferences. It likewise seems odd that you consider basically every aspect of the Crafty to be something it "forces" on the user.

Again, I don't actually disagree with any of your points - some people need an instant-on vape, some people like glass, etc. It just seems like you're offended by, say, the very idea that a vaporizer has to heat up first before you can use it.

 

[Pjake]

Hey yall. I've had my crafty for a couple weeks now. Lovin it. I'm a 1 hit wonder. So here's what I do: I set the temp to 360. I start hitting as soon as it reaches temp then power down the machine midway through the hit. I find it cools the chamber enough to not waste much material between hits. When I start getting smaller clouds I up the temp. My point is that I'm not a session vapist but this thing still works for me with a bit of finesse. I only like to take one hit at a time but I like a lung buster. Crafty works for me. I hope this tip helps some of the non session vapists. Happy vaping yall!

 

[NewToVaping]

How is the vapor quality and herb chamber in the crafty as opposed to the mighty? How about compared to the volcano?

 

[headdoctor]

Hey yall. I've had my crafty for a couple weeks now. Lovin it. I'm a 1 hit wonder. So here's what I do: I set the temp to 360. I start hitting as soon as it reaches temp then power down the machine midway through the hit. I find it cools the chamber enough to not waste much material between hits. When I start getting smaller clouds I up the temp. My point is that I'm not a session vapist but this thing still works for me with a bit of finesse. I only like to take one hit at a time but I like a lung buster. Crafty works for me. I hope this tip helps some of the non session vapists. Happy vaping yall!

I'm also a one or two hit wonder, and I'm glad to hear of your method, which makes sense. Here's my question: do you pack a full bowl and do it over a few days, or do you use the little pad and just use what you need for each wonder-hit?

 

[darkrom]

I was thinking, isn't every vape technically at least partial conduction? The screen/holder that any vape uses has something directly touching the bud. Wouldn't it need to be floating in air to be true convection? Maybe I'm way off.


I'm not liking that both of my devices are 5.0 and no longer work with the crafty. I have the temps set to 180 starting and 18c boost, which for me is still easily enjoyable when it comes to actually vaping, its just harder to know how much battery life is left.

I killed the crafty for the first time over the weekend. Me and 2 others vaped it pretty heavily, so it takes getting 3 of us medicated for an entire day without recharging to kill it. If it was just me I'd have lasted MUCH longer per pack. I'm actually finding myself only filling the crafty bowl up half way per session. I vape it 1/2 to 2/3 full lately and don't use any liquid pads or anything. It still vapes very evenly and gives the desired effects. I don't really notice much difference with the pad, so I save the effort and one more step when it comes to loading or emptying the bowl. I get the desired effects from less than a full pack. A full bowl on this still feels strong to me. Usually by now the honeymoon phase would be over.

Eventually I'll pack the crafty then dump it out while fresh and see what my "range" of weight per bowl is. It'll vary with strain and particular mood from 1/2 full to STUFFED.

 

[kahlilhc]

I was thinking, isn't every vape technically at least partial conduction? The screen/holder that any vape uses has something directly touching the bud. Wouldn't it need to be floating in air to be true convection? Maybe I'm way off.

I see what you mean, with the firefly the bottom screen touching the load does get hot before drawing = some conduction, but definitely not EVERY vape, when using the Lotus the bowl doesn't get hot at all while the plate heats up, and hardly at all during a session , definitely not enough to cause conduction vaping, and all that bowl heat would have been caused by convection in the first place, so does it matter anyway?

Edit: Daisy is a better example, I would be comfortable saying 100% convection, wooden bowl doesn't get ANY chance to heat up before the load is extracted by mega-turbulent-torch-heated-air.

But back to Crafty,
Has any body tested the limit on Craftys notification range? I'm finding I can turn it on (while charging), and go a good distance away and do something else (make food), then get the message to vape on my phone when its ready.

 

[darkrom]

I see what you mean, and with the firefly the bottom screen touching the load does get hot before drawing = some conduction, but definitely not EVERY vape, when using the Lotus the bowl doesn't get hot at all while the plate heats up, and hardly at all during a session, definitely not enough to cause conduction vaping, and all that bowl heat would have been caused by convection in the first place, so does it matter anyway?



Has any body tested the limit on Craftys notification range? I'm finding I can turn it on (while charging), and go sit a good distance away and do something else (make food), then get the message to vape on my phone when its ready.

It is really up to whatever device you use. BT won't go a universal distance. Depends on what device you have.

 

[oli]

Still no feed back on Kief or Bubble been used???

Asking for a mate of mine whom I once directed towards the SOLO for his ONLY use of Kief and Bubble withtout any sandwiches material been used.

 

[jackass20]

In my opinion, the crafty outperforms the solo in terms of

• Functionality - The app/bluetooth feature is amazing
  
• The plastic is actually really nifty. Its like a vaporizer you could take up to space.
  
• Definitely more portable than the solo. Smaller, Lighter, Built in mouthpiece
• USB charging - all vapes should do this!

In my opinion, the solo outperforms the crafty in terms of

• Efficient big Clouds.The solo produces considerably larger denser and more of. At level 6 vs Crafty at max temp. The solo definitely extracts more of the active ingredients, you can see it in the abv. If I continue vaping on the Crafty the abv will get darker, however there is no visible vapor - I personally do not like that, especially considering the fact that the solo can still produce dense enough clouds at this point.
  
• Taste - Although the plastic seriously does not affect the vapor much, glass definitely tastes better. The Craftys plastic taste is virtually non existent although the solos glass still beats it.
  
• Battery life and Price

 

[wootze]

Ok, I know this is off topic so I really hope this doesn't spin the thread off in another direction for too long, or at all, but I gotta ask.

I'm that 2 to 3 hit person. Some times 4 but not often. After spending some time here, it seems that I am in the minority, but then when I read various strain reports, it's really common for someone to say that 3 hits from a particular strain puts them away.

I mean, sitting down and doing a session of like 10 to 15 hits, I just can't fathom that.

This is staring to sound like I'm trying to justify my usage, but believe me, I'm not. Just a bit confused.

Am I in the minority, in the majority or somewhere in the middle? And can someone also tell me why in the hell this is important enough for me to ask this question?

I'm in the same two hit boat as you. Maybe it's my material or tolerance, but I have only done one full bowl session in two weeks and even in my retired dotage I've too much shit to do. And yes I'm medical. Cancer (and its treatment) pain breaks through opioids for me. Couple hits off the crafter and I'm good for a couple of hours. Can get lots of shit done without the opioid couch lock.

I'm also trying to hit 300 posts b/4 my 3 year FC anniversary.

 

[kahlilhc]

In my opinion, the crafty outperforms the solo in terms of

• Functionality - The app/bluetooth feature is amazing
  
• The plastic is actually really nifty. Its like a vaporizer you could take up to space.
  
• Definitely more portable than the solo. Smaller, Lighter, Built in mouthpiece
• USB charging - all vapes should do this!

In my opinion, the solo outperforms the crafty in terms of

• Efficient big Clouds.The solo produces considerably larger denser and more of. At level 6 vs Crafty at max temp. The solo definitely extracts more of the active ingredients, you can see it in the abv. If I continue vaping on the Crafty the abv will get darker, however there is no visible vapor - I personally do not like that, especially considering the fact that the solo can still produce dense enough clouds at this point.
  
• Taste - Although the plastic seriously does not affect the vapor much, glass definitely tastes better. The Craftys plastic taste is virtually non existent although the solos glass still beats it.
  
• Battery life and Price

I agree with every thing except the efficient big clouds, they both are FOG MACHINES, and they both can be used efficiently, but crafty ABSOLUTELY extracts more active ingredients. It seems you are basing extraction on Abv darkness, I thought the same before, but as stated else where on the forum, that is simply not the case...when I got my volcano I was disappointed that I couldn't get dark brown abv, but I couldnt get anymore vapor from the evenly vaped light brown abv.....crafty is the same, its called quality extraction.

Edit: I also find Craftys taste better than using a solo the standard way (upright, stem in for whole session), where the conduction taste becomes noticeable, and equal to solo hamster style convection mode (removing stem between draws)

Battery life also becomes debatable if you include pocketable battery packs for crafty.


All that said, I still do and will ALWAYS Love and have room in my collection for the tank of portable vaporizers.

 

[VaporsVaporizer]

There's no such thing as the perfect vape for everyone. If you have a Crafty, you know it works really well and the S&B haters will always be S&B haters. Who cares Enjoy Keep the Crafty love coming people

 

[wax]

There's no such thing as the perfect vape for everyone. If you have a Crafty, you know it works really well and the S&B haters will always be S&B haters. Who cares Enjoy Keep the Crafty love coming people

I don't think people are hating on it because it's from s&b. It's what the portable itself is and isn't capable of. You sound like a s&b fanboy

mod note: All members are to be treated with respect. If you think another member is a fanboy, you need to keep your opinion off the public forum.

 

[VaporsVaporizer]

I don't think people are hating on it because it's from s&b. It's what the portable itself is and isn't capable of. You sound like a s&b fanboy

I'm a fan of a lot of different vapes and if you mention a Volcano around here -well be prepared . I've been vaping for 12 years and i wouldn't call myself a S&B fanboy or girl but they do work well and they last a long time I can't argue with a 12 yo vape that works as well as it did the day i bought it. That being said, there are better, tastier vapes than the Volcano on the market now.
For me, the Crafty is the best portable i've ever owned - lets see what's on the market next

 

[jackass20]

All wax was saying is that my post was clearly not hating, and that you were blatantly self reflecting.

 

[VaporsVaporizer]

All wax was saying is that my post was clearly not hating, and that you were blatantly self reflecting.

Why do you think my post was in response to yours? i didn't quote anyone in my first post.