Cheap High Quality Bubbler
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Frederick McGuire
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I don't really see the point to that one...Im disappointed having to wait on the Torus.
For in the mean time thinking about grabbing this one.
Surprised much hasn't been said about it. Not many have been purchased either
It's a knockoff of the clear matrix (which is my favourite piece of glass ever), but it's small like an ion - so there's nothing different about it and the gb-187, aside from the gb-187 having a better base...
When I told steven about it the response was basically "but people want small items - can you give better measurements"
The FC-1000 is one of the largest items steven has produced, and has received some of the most universally positive feedback... Smh...
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There seems to be a lot less collaboration happening with pieces now within FC...
Someone sees something they like, tells steven, then tells us that they've told steven - no brainstorming ideas for improvements or anything, like the binary matrix...
I really, really wanted the binary matrix, but in trying to emulate the original they made the stem crazy far away from the can and 14mm...
I thought the general consensus was that most of us prefer 18mm joints, unless the piece is small enough that a smaller joint is needed...
Now I'm just stuck waiting for a v2 with the necessary changes...
And I think that a few members are in the same boat?
I saw a LOT of interest in that binary matrix, then it came out less than stellar, and everyone is holding off...
I might be way off, but I feel like I've been noticing this trend more and more over the last few months...
Cjisohsocool
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Anyone know if there's enough room on here to connect a Solo?
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/big-glass-water-pipe-glass-bong-4-percolator/184443601.html
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/big-glass-water-pipe-glass-bong-4-percolator/184443601.html
A1FBG
Active Member
I don't really see the point to that one...
It's a knockoff of the clear matrix (which is my favourite piece of glass ever), but it's small like an ion - so there's nothing different about it and the gb-187, aside from the gb-187 having a better base...
When I told steven about it the response was basically "but people want small items - can you give better measurements"
The FC-1000 is one of the largest items steven has produced, and has received some of the most universally positive feedback... Smh...
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There seems to be a lot less collaboration happening with pieces now within FC...
Someone sees something they like, tells steven, then tells us that they've told steven - no brainstorming ideas for improvements or anything, like the binary matrix...
I really, really wanted the binary matrix, but in trying to emulate the original they made the stem crazy far away from the can and 14mm...
I thought the general consensus was that most of us prefer 18mm joints, unless the piece is small enough that a smaller joint is needed...
Now I'm just stuck waiting for a v2 with the necessary changes...
And I think that a few members are in the same boat?
I saw a LOT of interest in that binary matrix, then it came out less than stellar, and everyone is holding off...
I might be way off, but I feel like I've been noticing this trend more and more over the last few months...
Ah damn thanks.. I was thinking it was an exact clear matrix clone. Not conceding anymore haha
I agree with your next statement. Some of these pieces could totally avoid having 2nd and 3rd versions. (That could save sellers some money with all those left over v1s) this could go for the Torus issue. Im hooked a buying a Torus clone, but with the vortex not functioning as well as it should I'm stuck either waiting on the perfected version to release who knows when or buying the decent version now.. Im not sure how many exact versions he has released but Stevens got multiple Torus youtube videos posted..
The binary matrix would be a whole lot better with the improvements you mentioned. As I'm also a user that was waiting on the v2 but I'm assuming it might be a while so I'm probably gonna go ahead and pull the trigger. The joint distance doesn't bother me at all, just the strength of the 14mm because it does look fragile as fuck.. im assuming he made it this way to try and exactly clone the official Mobius version (or because he didnt know how to improve it lol)
Edit: just ordered my first worked rig. Mini beaker. Fucking finally. Im 3 ready to kick back in the recliner and do some super comfy dabs!
And can someone please tell me the negatives to the Torus vortex being a little slow. My geekness for glass is acting up..
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weenstoned
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@Frederick McGuire I basically agree with everything in your post except to point out that the units sold on the fc1000 isn't that spectacular and most of the best selling pieces are on the small end. Just compare to the straight fab which is newer/more expensive yet has more sold.
deltr0n
Big Daddy Oil
One thing I'd really love to see is a piece (obviously unworked), that I think shares some common elements with a few popular pieces, in this style:
Perc explanation: down stem connects to bottom chamber, which Percs up through holes in the black worked section below the marble
I love:
*thick base
*curved, supported downstem
*theory of the perc, though worked perc section could easily get swapped out for a matrix, maybe double stereo(?)matrix if you're feeling crazy
*marble acting like the ball in a ball rig, could definitely be scaled up and be a ball instead of marble, like in ball rig, depending on size of can
*round can
*fat oil can mouthpiece
Any thoughts ?
Perc explanation: down stem connects to bottom chamber, which Percs up through holes in the black worked section below the marble
I love:
*thick base
*curved, supported downstem
*theory of the perc, though worked perc section could easily get swapped out for a matrix, maybe double stereo(?)matrix if you're feeling crazy
*marble acting like the ball in a ball rig, could definitely be scaled up and be a ball instead of marble, like in ball rig, depending on size of can
*round can
*fat oil can mouthpiece
Any thoughts ?
Frederick McGuire
Aggressively Loungey
Fair point, I wasn't considering units sold (I have honestly never checked that as far as I can remember), but more the general reception of the piece here on FC...
The straight fab is great, but there are many people looking to tweak it here and there - larger, smaller, different joint, more holes, less space between perc and holes - there's still discussion on how to make it better...
The FC-1000 (whenever it survived the shipping process) seems to be pretty well accepted as it is - no need for massive revisions (and there was also pushback against some proposed changes) - Imo this is in part because it was pretty thoroughly crowd-designed here first...
The focus on small rigs is great for dabbers, but Imo vapes are much better with a mid-to-large sized piece than a tiny-to-small rig... (Maybe I should specify - portables tend to do a bit better with smaller rigs, but desktops in general are better with slightly larger rigs Imo)
There's also like 10,000 interesting small rigs - how many interesting big pieces are there? Stereo matrix, matrix pillar and...?
IMO that's bound to lead to more small rigs selling well - there's more of them.
I guess it's pretty clear I prefer medium-to-large pieces, but I've still probably bought 3-4x as many small rigs from DHGate simply because that's where the interesting percs/designs are at...
digigator
Well-Known Member
I don't really see the point to that one...
It's a knockoff of the clear matrix (which is my favourite piece of glass ever), but it's small like an ion - so there's nothing different about it and the gb-187, aside from the gb-187 having a better base...
When I told steven about it the response was basically "but people want small items - can you give better measurements"
The FC-1000 is one of the largest items steven has produced, and has received some of the most universally positive feedback... Smh...
---------------------
There seems to be a lot less collaboration happening with pieces now within FC...
Someone sees something they like, tells steven, then tells us that they've told steven - no brainstorming ideas for improvements or anything, like the binary matrix...
I really, really wanted the binary matrix, but in trying to emulate the original they made the stem crazy far away from the can and 14mm...
I thought the general consensus was that most of us prefer 18mm joints, unless the piece is small enough that a smaller joint is needed...
Now I'm just stuck waiting for a v2 with the necessary changes...
And I think that a few members are in the same boat?
I saw a LOT of interest in that binary matrix, then it came out less than stellar, and everyone is holding off...
I might be way off, but I feel like I've been noticing this trend more and more over the last few months...
I just got my binary matrix today... Very meh, the function is not as good as the one in the video. The joint support's little disc is not straight, but kind of rotated. The neck is not lined up to the can/joint. Bubbles in the glass. Overall kind of disappointed vs the straight fab and Torus quality. Maybe Steven had the B squad do this one? lol Maybe we need to hold off for V2
A1FBG
Active Member
I know a lot of people are gonna find this info very helpful including myself. I was expecting a few flaws like the joint strength, but damn thats quite a few more than expected. My man you just saved me $60. Much appreciated!
"B squad" lmao
Its not cheap.. but its high quality... Everyone go check out the redesigned 2015 MOBIUS stereo matrix! Not sure if its more, but it looks like it has a shit ton of slits
https://jfriendly.com/products/detail/mobius-60t-stereo-matrix-2015-re-design
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Im disappointed having to wait on the Torus.
For in the mean time thinking about grabbing this one.
Surprised much hasn't been said about it. Not many have been purchased either
woke up this morning and saw this video posted on Steven's YouTube page...Ah damn thanks.. I was thinking it was an exact clear matrix clone. Not conceding anymore haha
I agree with your next statement. Some of these pieces could totally avoid having 2nd and 3rd versions. (That could save sellers some money with all those left over v1s) this could go for the Torus issue. Im hooked a buying a Torus clone, but with the vortex not functioning as well as it should I'm stuck either waiting on the perfected version to release who knows when or buying the decent version now.. Im not sure how many exact versions he has released but Stevens got multiple Torus youtube videos posted..
The binary matrix would be a whole lot better with the improvements you mentioned. As I'm also a user that was waiting on the v2 but I'm assuming it might be a while so I'm probably gonna go ahead and pull the trigger. The joint distance doesn't bother me at all, just the strength of the 14mm because it does look fragile as fuck.. im assuming he made it this way to try and exactly clone the official Mobius version (or because he didnt know how to improve it lol)
Edit: just ordered my first worked rig. Mini beaker. Fucking finally. Im 3 ready to kick back in the recliner and do some super comfy dabs!
And can someone please tell me the negatives to the Torus vortex being a little slow. My geekness for glass is acting up..
looks like he mad the water inlets into the incycler longer? idk but the vortex looks like it is consistent now. Is it smaller too?
Man the straight fab is legit. Okay so when I first got the straight fab I was testing water levels and I tried a few pulls at high water level as I had seen on videos of others. I never had a drink at the high water level... but my buddy came over and on a dry pull with drop down and nail attached one rip made for 2 foot straight tube and took a drink. Lowered the water level to just above the perc and its perfect. No one has had a drink since that one time or any splashing really that I can remember (it's my daily driver too). So to answer your question about control, just hit like the size of the piece it is and you should be fine haha
Idk what to compare the drag to but its almost none. I'd say its almost as easy of a hit and milk as my real Toro Micro Internal Stemless Froth. I like that you don't have to make a suction with your whole mouth/lips on the straight fab which makes it easy to draw on.The hit is smooth and just right... it's kind of hard to explain. I'll say it's one of my favorite hits from an oil rig. It's cooler in temp so no harshness in the throat.
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Quick question, I've been looking at Stevens version of the Mobius Matrix and its very similar to the d20 but considerably more expensive. Is there a justifiable difference between the two that warrants buying his Matrix over a normal d20 for $30 less?
I have both, and IMO YES - definitely. First, the one you posted a pic of is the sidecar model. I prefer this with my normal daily driver - the e-nano - and would with any vape you put directly on the bubb. Sidecar is nice to keep the vape off to the side instead of right in your face and allows you to easily monitor your draw in use.
The 187's have a bit more volume, and with mine much better perc action. More of a light purr. This is a common Chinese iteration of a true matrix. Think the D020's still have just some diagonal slits.
My GB-187 is a straight neck and has stayed in the rotation for a year or so. My D020 usually only gets pulled out if I'm taking it somewhere because smaller and would be much less devastating if something happened to it.
One issue you should be aware of with steveminz's 187s is that the dewar joint at top tends to be a little recessed on these. Mine is, but hasn't really been a problem for me.
Everybody has to do what is right for them in context of cost and worth, but after having both for some time I would pick up the 187 and not give a second thought to the D020. If something happens to mine, I would replace it with this one immediately. Another D020? Only if I was taking it somewhere (via air travel) and was planning to leave it behind.
Deano
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ma0u
frozWn Member
What do you all think of these two new torus's?
It looks to me that the second one (other than having an indentation in the center of the beaker), also appears to be few more slits on the diffuser. The second torus also seems to give off more percolation and bubbling. What's all your guys opinion on these pieces?
It looks to me that the second one (other than having an indentation in the center of the beaker), also appears to be few more slits on the diffuser. The second torus also seems to give off more percolation and bubbling. What's all your guys opinion on these pieces?
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flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Not quite, but at less than 15% of the price I'd say it does about 80% of the bubble stacking. Then again, my lungs are probably older than this kids parents!
Not a concern for me at all. I prefer less bubbles/diffusion when vaping to keep the awesome flavor from dropping off, then hit it hard on the clear. It still usually stacks up about 75% - 80% of whole can on clear. My bubbles usually aren't nearly as small & tight, either. Pretty sure this has to do with the cheap Chinese perc.
Don't think most of these Chinese pieces are going to perform quite as well as those they are modeled from. But, I'd rather the slight loss in performance and an OZ (or more) for the same price as a real Mobius.
ma0u
frozWn Member
I haven't been around much lately, still just dabbing (co2 wax & shatter) with my main piece <3 FC-710 <3 and sometimes my GB-187. Been scoping the threads here once every week or two, along with new additions to stevenml79's store and a few other dhgate sellers... My main q I ask myself when looking at new pieces is 'will it be as good or even close to the 710 (taste and perc wise, for dabbing) ?'
@Deano More bubble stack is usually better, especially if it pulls at a nice smooth and quick rate. I'm still surprised the FC-201 is the only GB-187 steven's made with a bent arm mouthpiece.. I don't get the baseless barrel and bowling pin-shape exactly (cool cause it's new and different, just not sure if thats suppose to help percing or no).
speaking of matrix pieces.. Anyone try the binary matrix yet? Curious if it's any good...
Also, what's the opinion between FC-1000 or FC-707 (I'm leaning towards 707). And, aside from the mouthpiece shape, what really makes the FC-200 diff from the FC-186?
@Deano More bubble stack is usually better, especially if it pulls at a nice smooth and quick rate. I'm still surprised the FC-201 is the only GB-187 steven's made with a bent arm mouthpiece.. I don't get the baseless barrel and bowling pin-shape exactly (cool cause it's new and different, just not sure if thats suppose to help percing or no).
speaking of matrix pieces.. Anyone try the binary matrix yet? Curious if it's any good...
Also, what's the opinion between FC-1000 or FC-707 (I'm leaning towards 707). And, aside from the mouthpiece shape, what really makes the FC-200 diff from the FC-186?
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flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Much of flavor depends on what you're putting in of course, but IMO more diffusion seems to rob more flavor. I've never tried or even heard of a water piece that adds any. Most don't really want a chuggy piece, either. I sure don't! This is one of the reasons I like the GB-187 so much. nano is a flavor monster, and this one seems to give me a good balance of flavor and purring perc while going through water.
I can definitely tell a difference in flavor on this and most of my other pieces if I hit it hard, or slow and steady - which I prefer. None are as flavorful as going dry, but find more percs, more intricate percs and harder hitting (and usually more water contact) can be detrimental in varying degrees to flavorful hits.
Two pieces that don't seem to suffer too much from this are the D-Cycler and FC-710. The 710 I can rip at all I want and doesn't seem to knock flavor back too much, but a diffusion pump is a unique design and the vapor flow doesn't really go through too much water or diffusion. Take a close look at a vid to see what I mean. Think there are some here in the thread and a search on youtube should provide some results.
Contrary to what @ma0u says above, I don't think more diffusion is a good thing - not for vaping anyway. Maybe better for smoking or for dabs to smooth out the harshness of the hit - depending on how good/clean your concentrates are. But if you value taste and your vape gives a nice flavor profile, or you have yummy concentrates, I suggest you keep it slow and simple for best results. Certainly haven't tried most of the glass discussed on here, nor do I really want to. Honestly have trouble not laughing at some of what has become popular in this thread - for vaping anyway. Pretty and intricate are nice, but I tend to be more of a function over form type guy with my vaping and equipment. I've got plenty of pretty shit that doesn't adversely effect my vaping to play with or look at after I get my buzz on.
And, not too hard to find beautiful but simple worked glass if you want to pay what it usually costs.
ma0u
frozWn Member
Worst thing for a dabbing piece really seems to be excess size. From my experience, the quicker and smoother the diffusion transfer through the nail/stem to the mouthpiece is, the better. I have yet to find a piece better for dabbing than my FC-710 (w/ domeless female 14mm banger nail). The diffusion and pull for the 710 is PERFECT; the diffusion ball along with the greater water to air ratio seems to vape miracles
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Worst thing for a dabbing piece really seems to be excess size. From my experience, the quicker and smoother the diffusion transfer through the nail/stem to the mouthpiece is, the better. I have yet to find a piece better for dabbing than my FC-710 (w/ domeless female 14mm banger nail). The diffusion and pull for the 710 is PERFECT; the diffusion ball along with the greater water to air ratio seems to vape miracles
Couldn't agree more for dabbing or the 710 in general. It's a great dab piece and retains flavor very well for vaping. Though I still like to use a drop-down on mine for dabs for cleanliness and reclaim.
digigator
Well-Known Member
I know a lot of people are gonna find this info very helpful including myself. I was expecting a few flaws like the joint strength, but damn thats quite a few more than expected. My man you just saved me $60. Much appreciated!
"B squad" lmao
Its not cheap.. but its high quality... Everyone go check out the redesigned 2015 MOBIUS stereo matrix! Not sure if its more, but it looks like it has a shit ton of slits
https://jfriendly.com/products/detail/mobius-60t-stereo-matrix-2015-re-design
dude I ain't even exaggerating. Look at this:
bubbles everywhere
bubbles on the little disc:
Neck goes to the LEFT of can!!
The function was nothing to write home about. I've noticed that about Steven's Mopbius copies, some functions better than others. I've had 3x FC-187, 5x FC-186, 4x FC-200 and the bubble stacking ability definitely varies from poor to the one he shows in the video.
This piece is staying in the garage where it belongs!
I suspect it's a different squad because I've also gotten 3x Torus (1x V1 2x V2) and 5x Straight Fabs from Steven and none had any of these workmanship issues.
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dude I ain't even exaggerating. Look at this:
bubbles everywhere
bubbles on the little disc:
Neck goes to the LEFT of can!!
The function was nothing to write home about. I've noticed that about Steven's Mopbius copies, some functions better than others. I've had 3x FC-187, 5x FC-186, 4x FC-200 and the bubble stacking ability definitely varies from poor to the one he shows in the video.
This piece is staying in the garage where it belongs!
I suspect it's a different squad because I've also gotten 3x Torus (1x V1 2x V2) and 5x Straight Fabs from Steven and none had any of these workmanship issues.
That shit really grinds my gears!! They shouldn't have sent that shit!!!
A1FBG
Active Member
smh too..
Finally had one of my $40 DH Gate glass pieces crack. I usually put it in the freezer for a few hours before use, but tonight the inner bubbler cracked while I was using...
Going to order a few more, but as a rule of thumb, should I not put glass in the freezer or is this just because these DH Gate pieces are cheaper and may have thinner glass?
I see some with an 'ice pinch' on DH Gate, what is that and is that a better route for me?
This one lasted over a year, so worth the $40 for sure!!!
Going to order a few more, but as a rule of thumb, should I not put glass in the freezer or is this just because these DH Gate pieces are cheaper and may have thinner glass?
I see some with an 'ice pinch' on DH Gate, what is that and is that a better route for me?
This one lasted over a year, so worth the $40 for sure!!!