That wicking surface is a registered trademark, patented by d-nail IIRC bro. We should probably not induce somebody to take someone elses' intellectual property
What do you mean by it can only spin one way? As in it can only rotate clockwise or counter-clockwise when looking at the Liger from above?
Found it, thanks. I'll let my Liger cool down and give it a go in like 30 minutes. Thanks.
That wicking surface is a registered trademark, patented by d-nail IIRC bro. We should probably not induce somebody to take someone elses' intellectual property
What you say about the oil running straight to the sides of the dish is so true when dabbing rosin or solvent earls though and is a profound PITA. I prefer my d-nail for oils and only use the Liger for full melt now
I got one and I like it. I also have an iDab cap (thanks @mutten840
) and like it a lot also. Just easier to use a separate dab tool and one of these type of caps...at least to me. 
It's probably a trademark, not a patent. I'm sure a matte surface would accomplish what you're looking for.
I'm still dialing in my temperature (still going lower, started at 625), but whew!The nice thing about the 20mm is once you get the coil adjusted. You never need to mess with it again and so no need for pliers =)
Also it will help immensely with hitting the lower temps we all rave about
Thanks, mutten. Was also curious if there was any cleaning or anything needed prior to first use.
No man, it is both a registered trademark and I can confirm it is also part of a design patent held by d-nail.
This would be a great idea for the Liger 4.0Man people have to protect their intellectual property. As a scientist, I understand this all too well! Other ideas could be applied to avoid the pooling at the sides of the dish I'm sure, but I can't readily think of anything that would provide faster vaporization as much as capillaries. Then again there's always plenty of shit that hasn't been invented yet
The sapphire insert is just a small disc that's super thin, the CCA 30mm insert is literally the size and weight of a HALO.
First of all, the dnail inserts are much cheaper than the liger because they are also much smaller. They're not comparable products at all and I can say that owning all of them.
No man, it is both a registered trademark and I can confirm it is also part of a design patent held by d-nail.
You need to look into the physics and chemistry of capillary action providing more nucleation points to promote more rapid and full nucleate boiling (lower temp boiling) and less transitional boiling (where the heat transfer is less desirable for our flavor purposes). A matte finish will not give you the same performance as purpose made capillaries.
The d-nail cap design also facilitates the spread and more even boiling on the d-nail sapphire and quartz, and a Liger with capillaries at present would still not give comparable performance.
This is not to say that Josh wouldn't be able to develop something else that resolves the pooling in the edges and slow vaporization though
Man people have to protect their intellectual property. As a scientist, I understand this all too well! Other ideas could be applied to avoid the pooling at the sides of the dish I'm sure, but I can't readily think of anything that would provide faster vaporization as much as capillaries. Then again there's always plenty of shit that hasn't been invented yet
Nonetheless, the wicking design is 100% something worth patenting and anyone who came up with a similarly useful idea in another industry would be regarded as negligent for not patenting it!
Sorry man, open source as you describe is everything but 'old-school'
Patents are certainly older than either of us!
Either IP can be licensed, or Josh could develop something new and different to overcome the current limitation
Sorry man, open source as you describe is everything but 'old-school'
This is not about 'secret tek'. Check out this d-nail patent application for example bro - http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat20160345385.pdf - It is openly communicated in overwhelming and verbose detail for all to see!!!
This is about saying that if you use someone else's idea, you pay royalties and you recognize their invention and blood, sweat and tears. Bubbleman had no problem doing that and paying royalties. Folks are gonna have to do the same with BHO now that Indra is enforcing his patents. This is the MMJ industry growing up
Let me clarify the problem with your claim above about 'secret tek' - a patent is not designed to prevent other companies from using other people's breakthrough designs in their future products. It is about ensuring that the originator of the design/idea is honored and paid a small royalty (typically in the lower single digits percentile range).
We've always had to protect our intellectual property to earn a living off of our ideas. Inventing is a very thankless path until you get products that start to gain popularity and finally pay the bills. Would you ask another kind of worker to give away their work for free?
Remember that these ideas came from real investments of money, labor and time to develop/design/refine and those people deserve to be remunerated and recognized for their inventions. That is how it has always been in our system. Josh could license anything that d-nail or any other companies hold relevant patents just by approaching and negotiating an agreement for a nominal royalty fee. There is nothing preventing him from using these ideas without infringing on patents
So you are right, something can be done without breaking IP
I've always thought that there is plenty more that should be more openly shared in our community (and I'm sure you appreciate that I share a lot of information here that many would not openly share!), but I will never support not paying inventors their dues (that is, a modest royalty as per relevant norms) for their ideas - we'll push the best minds out of the industry with that approach to business.Appreciate the information. True I guess my position is more new school, sharing ideas, keeping stuff open source and making money other ways.
Growing up or selling out? Just playing. Don't wanna derail this thread further. I always appreciate your incite @herbivore21.
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I agree - I think I'm most excited to see a redesigned Hurricane cap which has a curvature closer to that of a sphere, although I'd still like it to stay upright without a hand on it.For now though, I'm looking forward to seeing how liger performance can be improved with different carb designs, we can't reasonably expect Josh to be back to the drawing board as we know he is very busy with other stuff right now