CCA Liger banger V3.0

[duckdown]

Well, finally got the bottom to untwist and release my enail coil.

My Liger itself has tons of scratches and dings in it, now. From the many attempts with channel locks and needlenose pliers..

 

[DatFire]

If you bought one of the caps and you are unhappy. Well think of all the other shit you have bought and tossed into the closet or got rid of. Josh

That's ridiculous. It's a $300-600 nail adverised as the pinacle of vaporization. You think I'm a dishonest troll crying a pool of tears for thinking that?

I gave an honest review of the CCA items I recieved, and one person after another has tried to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about, suggested I was dishonest, over reacting, and a troll. I truly feel ripped off. I contacted CCA multiple times about multiple issues. I wouldn't be posting here had they not been given ample time to resolve these issues.

 

[duckdown]

Just emailed josh detailed videos and pictures, he agrees something was definitely not right. Asked me some other questions just for his own info and is sending me a new replacement bottom nut because it's full of gouges

Good service, just wish I knew how to prevent it from ever happening again!

@ poster above, Josh is active via email right now I managed to get some replies from him, might want to try him now ? just a heads up, im unaware of your story this is my first time visiting the thread in a while

 

[mutten840]

@DatFire you made your point that you are unhappy. Continuing the rant does no good and only pollutes the positive vibe we try to nurture here. You have been offered help and good feedback and yet you continue to try stir the pot. The carb cap costs about 60 bucks or so and there are other options. You could always sell it off and get something you like better if you are looking for a quick fix.

Thanks for coming in and making all our day a little bit brighter (that's sarcasm)

 

[DatFire]

You could always sell it off and get something you like better if you are looking for a quick fix.

I'm not going to sell someone my defective stuff. I might be harsh as steel wool, but that's Lannister low.

 

[Stu]

That's ridiculous. It's a $300-600 nail adverised as the pinacle of vaporization. You think I'm a dishonest troll crying a pool of tears for thinking that?

I gave an honest review of the CCA items I recieved, and one person after another has tried to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about, suggested I was dishonest, over reacting, and a troll. I truly feel ripped off. I contacted CCA multiple times about multiple issues. I wouldn't be posting here had they not been given ample time to resolve these issues.

You've already made your opinions clear to everyone, so you can stop now.

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[YabbaDABBAdo]

Hey guys been very interested in the liger just got a couple questions on which size to get for the best performance and which one would be best suit my setup and needs. I use my halo all day every day and depending on what ails me the size of dab but not a big globber person (.02-.04 normal dab and up to .1-.2 depending on feeling) I have a flat coil set up already but don't mind getting a 20mm if that size would be better, I like to use my smaller size rig for better flavor and easier pull. Just wondering between the two sizes is the weight much different? and which carb cap is best for the size and fitment between the 20mm and flat? Will definitely be getting the sic insert just wish the sapphire wasn't soo expensive(I love the flavor)
Sorry for all the odd questions just not trying to drop 300ish and not get what I want/need

Thanks

 

[scalescliffs]

Hey guys been very interested in the liger just got a couple questions on which size to get for the best performance and which one would be best suit my setup and needs. I use my halo all day every day and depending on what ails me the size of dab but not a big globber person (.02-.04 normal dab and up to .1-.2 depending on feeling) I have a flat coil set up already but don't mind getting a 20mm if that size would be better, I like to use my smaller size rig for better flavor and easier pull. Just wondering between the two sizes is the weight much different? and which carb cap is best for the size and fitment between the 20mm and flat? Will definitely be getting the sic insert just wish the sapphire wasn't soo expensive(I love the flavor)
Sorry for all the odd questions just not trying to drop 300ish and not get what I want/need

Thanks

This is a great post for me because I find myself, as an e-nail newbie, wondering the same thing.

Is there a difference between flat coils and 20mm coils? Does one banger perform better than the other?

 

[mutten840]

@YabbaDABBAdo There has been much discussion around what is the best setup for performance and ease. So far the 20mm with a SiC insert is my favorite all around setup. The 20mm can also accommodate a large selection of carb caps, where the 30 is a bit more of a fickle beast. I would def say go for the 20 and SiC insert and the main thing would be to make sure your coil is spread and snug around the inner shaft of the 20mm body. Once thats achieved you dont need to use pliers like is sometimes needed on the 30mm

Hope this helps and keep us posted on what you land on

 

[YabbaDABBAdo]

@mutten840 thanks that was what I was leaning towards from reading what I have just wanted to make sure and since I have a flat coil already and i will be purchasing a new coil ( I have an auber Rdk-300 and flat coil) so I will be purchasing an auber coil just wondering how they fit or if d-nail has a better fitting coil since they are the same connection and pin order.
Also what carb Is better for the 20 mm for fit, stability and seal?

Thanks a lot for all the help!will keep you posted

 

[mutten840]

@YabbaDABBAdo I have yet to find a coil that "Just fits" the Ligers. But an Auber coil will work just fine. You will still need to spread the coil a little to make it cover the whole shaft of the 20mm. Then you will also want to make sure it fits snugly against the shaft. Both things are really easy and will require a flat head screw driver and a pair of pliers.





You will know it is seated properly by being able to hit the 580 to 600 temp range and get nice dabs.

If you have any existing carb caps, you might want to try them before buying anything. Here are a few examples of ones that worked well





Holler if you got any other questions

 

[nickdanger]

@mutten840 Tool idiot here -- can you explain in a little more detail how you use the pliers and flat blade screwdriver to tighten/spread the coil? I have all the tools available that I would need, but am not sure how to do this. I don't want to ruin my coil. Thanks!

 

[brucee10]

@YabbaDABBAdo


Holler if you got any other questions

Which carb cap is this?

 

[hondalol1]

@mutten840 Tool idiot here -- can you explain in a little more detail how you use the pliers and flat blade screwdriver to tighten/spread the coil? I have all the tools available that I would need, but am not sure how to do this. I don't want to ruin my coil. Thanks!

I can say having received my liger today that this would be a good thing for me as well. I have a chinese coil, it actually has a great spread, but is not tight enough to hold the piece like mutten's picture but i dont just want to go prying away lol.

 

[Baron23]

@mutten840 Tool idiot here -- can you explain in a little more detail how you use the pliers and flat blade screwdriver to tighten/spread the coil? I have all the tools available that I would need, but am not sure how to do this. I don't want to ruin my coil. Thanks!

Use the flat blade screw driver to seperate the coile. Insert screw driver between coils and twist the screw driver to seperate the coils. You want the coils to evenly cover the Liger bucket (well, its the bucket on the 2.0, shaft perhaps on the 3.0 but you understand what I mean, right?).

With pliers, either open or make tighter the coils so fit is pretty dang tight. If it needs to be tightened, start at one end and slowly work your way around closing the coil radius just a bit.

Key is gentle and slow.

Also, consider either silicone jawed pliers or you can get silicone covers for pliers and it works well. Many just use a rag to keep the teeth from marring the finish. Specifically, I got these and often find them useful for many purposes.

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-plier-covers-5-pc-set/p-00945446000P

 

[YabbaDABBAdo]

@mutten840 and @nickdanger it looks like from the pictures and from pictures of a coil before it is spread you would take the flat head screw driver and gently put it in between the coil Where it curls then with the screwdriver gently pry sideways till it spreads open a bit then keep doing that around the coil till fitment t proper?
Also would it be easier to do if the coil is heated a lil bit?
And with the carb cap would he dnail carb cap work?

 

[mutten840]

@nickdanger Sure. To spread the coil I use the flat head screw driver and all I do is work each side a little by gently turning the screwdriver. Once I have done one side. I will go to the opposite side of the coil and spread with the screwdriver to make it as even as possible. The gaps don't need to be perfect, just close enough.

I would only adjust while cold. You might burn the crap out of yourself if it is heated =)

When adjusting do little adjustments and check as it is not much adjusting needed to get a good fit and you can also confirm the fit is proper by trying a dab around 580 to 600. That is the temp range I settled in on with the 20mm and SiC insert. If it is not a good dab around the above temps. Turn it off and check your coil again for fitting.

In the below you can see how the gap I created is not much. Just enough to make it sit over the inner shaft better


If after you have spread your coil you have some play between it and the shaft. You would then want to take a pair of pliers and while holding the end of the coil. Twist in the direction to tighten the twist of the coil inward.

In the below picture you can see I would want to twist the coil in a counter clockwise motion to tighten it more. Do little adjustments for this as it does not take much to achieve.


Once I had mine snugged tight, it would only twist off when being turned and pulled in a counter clockwise direction as this is the direction the twist of my coil loosens and clockwise would tighten it

I leave my coil on and just remove the pieces I need to clean.

 

[YabbaDABBAdo]

Hey what about the dnail carb cap will it work with the 20mm? thats the only one I have besides a universal titanium which is similar
The only thing I do like about the liger caps is the tip you can screw into the bottom.if anyone has them is it worth it or is it more of a hindrance and gets in the way?

@YabbaDABBAdo I have yet to find a coil that "Just fits" the Ligers. But an Auber coil will work just fine. You will still need to spread the coil a little to make it cover the whole shaft of the 20mm. Then you will also want to make sure it fits snugly against the shaft. Both things are really easy and will require a flat head screw driver and a pair of pliers.



Holler if you got any other questions [/Q
Love that cap it would match my shower head aka the shield would you sell it lol jkin

 

[mutten840]

@YabbaDABBAdo I dont think the dnail carb cap will work. But you can find pretty cheap caps that will work nicely

The J walker caps on the below site work really well and are pretty cheap for the quality of the cap
https://topshelfglassgallery.com/collections/carb-caps

 

[Hogni]

...or wait a little bit. After all Josh and Bonsai have told in their newest posts it looks as there will come some innovations in construction of the carb caps

 

[toros23]

@mutten840 , do you suggest turning the coil the other way around so the "handle" end is at the top of the bucket instead of the bottom? I thought that was recommended at one point but could be confused. That is how I have mine and am wondering if I did it upside down.

 

[nickdanger]

@Baron23 thank you for the info and the link to the plier covers. I may have to pick up some of these tomorrow seeing as they are not expensive.

@mutten840 thank you for the detailed explanation and pictures. That helps a lot! I now understand how the pliers are used to tighten the coil. I had no idea this is how it is done, and the visual and your explanation of turning it to tighten it makes me feel better about trying it. I noticed you have the tail (?) of the coil coming out of the bottom. I’ve read in a couple of posts about having it come out the top. Is there a noticeable difference in how it works one way or the other?

This forum is the best! Everyone is so helpful!

 

[mutten840]

@nickdanger @toros23 I have been using it at the top as those pics were old. But it you find it is too top heavy on your piece. You can try flipping it to the bottom position (Like I had mine in the pic)

If you get stuck or uncertain. Hit us up. We are all about helping people over the learning curve of the Ligers.

 

[herbivore21]

@YabbaDABBAdo I dont think the dnail carb cap will work. But you can find pretty cheap caps that will work nicely

The J walker caps on the below site work really well and are pretty cheap for the quality of the cap
https://topshelfglassgallery.com/collections/carb-caps

@YabbaDABBAdo Sadly the d-nail carb doesn't work on the 30mm. IIRC someone reported that it can be used to cover the 20mm Liger bucket, but it can't be left to sit on top hands free without falling off... Can't recall if any air got around the edges of the cap still.

BTW, by all accounts the dabbers that screw onto the bottom of the Liger caps do not function well and I don't know of anyone here who prefers them. I do not recommend purchasing the master set, and in fact, I suggest that you use a d-nail forked dabber handle with a Liger storm cell cap if you buy one

As @Hogni said above, there'll be redesigned Liger caps coming so it might be worth getting one of the off-brand alternatives for now until those come along

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

@mutten840 , do you suggest turning the coil the other way around so the "handle" end is at the top of the bucket instead of the bottom? I thought that was recommended at one point but could be confused. That is how I have mine and am wondering if I did it upside down.

Yes, I find it transfers heat more efficiently with the ""handle" of the heater top of the bucket.