AVS m22
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VapeEnthusiast
Troy's Army
Don't forget folks, the delays and missing functionality are all okay because those deadlines were merely projected rather than promised!
Nicely spun.
yeah I’m in the same boat I think. Too many missed deadlines (missed by miles not inches) has me now looking forward to the DTv5 way more than the Control Tower which if I were a betting man I’m pretty sure we won’t see delivered until 2022 at best. I watched a little of the AMA Brent hosted and am already hearing seeds being planted for more delays (mention of chip shortages. I mean this isn’t news at this point and something you’d hope a company would plan since it’s not like this is a new problem)
im also a little concerned around the mention of nee features being added to the CT - rather than focus on new features can we at least get these into the paying customers hands since they were originally committed to be shipped, and I quote, no later than Christmas 2020. Here we are 7 months later.
back in October last year, the listings on the avs web site did not “project” thst the kits and CT would ship before Christmas, they flat out stated that I.e “these WILL ship by Christmas at the latest”
then there was a “small delay” pushing that to Jan. Now here we in July….
Peepyopee
Member
Confidently incorrect is probably the worst stance to assume in any business. It just breeds mistrust and makes you look like you have no clue what you're talking about. As has been extensively mentioned, the AVS deadlines of all sorts have been pooped on and that poop has been stepped on at this point. There is just too much misdirection and not enough ownership of mistakes in their approach IMO. It seems like the only people standing up for AVS are the few rampant social media posters who got their shit.
To those in it for the long haul. There are actually Chinese CTs out there in the wild, but the "alpha tester" community is very tight lipped. There are videos of it working in other hands than Brent's now, but it would be important to know just how reliable the device is. I'll be interested to see some actual volume usage from non-alpha testers, bugs and all.
Get ready for that American CT drop in February 2022. hyyyyyyyype
To those in it for the long haul. There are actually Chinese CTs out there in the wild, but the "alpha tester" community is very tight lipped. There are videos of it working in other hands than Brent's now, but it would be important to know just how reliable the device is. I'll be interested to see some actual volume usage from non-alpha testers, bugs and all.
Get ready for that American CT drop in February 2022. hyyyyyyyype
Confidently incorrect is probably the worst stance to assume in any business. It just breeds mistrust and makes you look like you have no clue what you're talking about. As has been extensively mentioned, the AVS deadlines of all sorts have been pooped on and that poop has been stepped on at this point. There is just too much misdirection and not enough ownership of mistakes in their approach IMO. It seems like the only people standing up for AVS are the few rampant social media posters who got their shit.
To those in it for the long haul. There are actually Chinese CTs out there in the wild, but the "alpha tester" community is very tight lipped. There are videos of it working in other hands than Brent's now, but it would be important to know just how reliable the device is. I'll be interested to see some actual volume usage from non-alpha testers, bugs and all.
Get ready for that American CT drop in February 2022. hyyyyyyyype
yeah. In some ways I’m almost a little concerned to stick an 18650 (with all the potential dangers thst come from a small device housing a lot of energy) into the CT until it’s proven to actually work all the time and not have potentially dangerous bugs
I think the CT takes 21700s. But what concerns would you have with possible dangerous bugs?
Wouldn’t it be the same with any box mod if not worse since they aren’t designed around the idea of dabbing or is it the new “more advanced” technology that worry’s you?
I’m genuinely curious as I’m still pretty new to the AVS atmosphere(meaning I haven’t had to deal with a huge wait), but did preorder a mod, so want to know what to keep my eyes out for since I don’t know a ton about box mods.
Peepyopee
Member
Box mod technology is not really the worry these days. Seems like most accidents happen with user error (i.e. using batteries with bad wraps).
I think you're spot on with the "more advanced technology" portion though. The CT is supposed to have features like auto-fire, and I just haven't seen enough transparency to trust AVS's engineers with a function like that. Arctic fox auto-fire is amazing, but they are very transparent about their software. It's like Tom Waits said, "What's he building in there?"
Mulehead
Well-Known Member
I’ve followed this product from the beginning. IMO AVS has been beyond transparent in the design process. Auto-fire was added from community input, and if Brent can design an escc, I have complete confidence he can figure out a safe auto-fire. At some point companies have to keep the secret sauce, well...secret.
The designer/owner reminds me a lot of Ryan with RBT. Both designed a product that they use daily because they weren’t happy with the current options. Both promised unachievable timelines. Both build with community input. They are also the engineers and designers that I wish were leading this industry. Instead Poofco and others are getting the biggest piece of the pie, while AVS and RBT struggle, but make superior products.
Still amazed with this device!
My V-1 is still going strong, and I’ve added a few V-2’s to add to the stable. The improvements that have been made are making it more user friendly. The beta mod auto-sets tcr and my OOS escc is even temp controlled. Still using a Voopoo Drag2 for most of my portable use, and the only difference I can tell in mods is the drag only has a 10 sec fire.
The design & engineering is next level shit. These are the type of companies I’m going to continue to support in the cannabis industry.
Now where’d I put that rosin?
The designer/owner reminds me a lot of Ryan with RBT. Both designed a product that they use daily because they weren’t happy with the current options. Both promised unachievable timelines. Both build with community input. They are also the engineers and designers that I wish were leading this industry. Instead Poofco and others are getting the biggest piece of the pie, while AVS and RBT struggle, but make superior products.
Still amazed with this device!
My V-1 is still going strong, and I’ve added a few V-2’s to add to the stable. The improvements that have been made are making it more user friendly. The beta mod auto-sets tcr and my OOS escc is even temp controlled. Still using a Voopoo Drag2 for most of my portable use, and the only difference I can tell in mods is the drag only has a 10 sec fire.
The design & engineering is next level shit. These are the type of companies I’m going to continue to support in the cannabis industry.
Now where’d I put that rosin?
thevapist
Well-Known Member
AVS still being AVS I see. My 2022 prediction that was absolutely MOCKED on their other forums is going to be more than true.
You could be a
mod on their
reddit!
You could be a
shill
advertising forum
If this were true we would all have one.
Maybe in 12 months? but I thought that 12 months ago.
Chicken No Name
Dazed and confused
Personally, Ive had it with avs. Promised a working escc months ago. Still waiting and the UK supplier has literally given up with the false promises made by Brent (and I trust the UK supplier 1000 times more than Brent).
Seeing as this is what I paid for a year ago but have only received an oos and an escc that lasted precisely a month I'm a tad pissed.
In fact I'm going to state that imo Brent is a joke who has left early adopters high and dry. F
Seeing as this is what I paid for a year ago but have only received an oos and an escc that lasted precisely a month I'm a tad pissed.
In fact I'm going to state that imo Brent is a joke who has left early adopters high and dry. F
Have you contacted them about this? They just received a whole bunch of tc escc. Not sure how it works with the uk supplier though.
Chicken No Name
Dazed and confused
As my supplier has given up I will try this and ask very nicely. When the escc worked it was great and I really wanted to support AVS.
But these false promises of delivery to the UK has taken its toll on my trust/confidence.
Nothing ventured nothing gained so I will appeal direct.....
The latest revision of the M22 ESCC is AMAZING! All of the issues that I had with the V1 have been resolved with 2 things:
1. The v3 Zirconia housing stopped all wobble of the cup when cleaning, even if you are fairly aggressive. This also stops all build-up of resin in the clips themselves and the atomizer base, and keeps it in the zirconia housing. So super easy to clean.
2. The v2 cups the bevel on the legs is MUCH better then on the V1, so all the issues I had with installing the clips/cup with the V1 are completely resolved.
So with those 2 issues resolved, I'm finding I can install a cup and clips without any issues at all, and I can easily remove the cup/zirconia for cleaning after a couple days of use, and re-install, without affecting my clips. I've been on the same set of clips since the beginning of the Summer, and my resistance is stable, and I've used this device quite heavily for about 1/3 of the days of the Summer, and I find it to be super easy to maintain and use, with no fuss
1. The v3 Zirconia housing stopped all wobble of the cup when cleaning, even if you are fairly aggressive. This also stops all build-up of resin in the clips themselves and the atomizer base, and keeps it in the zirconia housing. So super easy to clean.
2. The v2 cups the bevel on the legs is MUCH better then on the V1, so all the issues I had with installing the clips/cup with the V1 are completely resolved.
So with those 2 issues resolved, I'm finding I can install a cup and clips without any issues at all, and I can easily remove the cup/zirconia for cleaning after a couple days of use, and re-install, without affecting my clips. I've been on the same set of clips since the beginning of the Summer, and my resistance is stable, and I've used this device quite heavily for about 1/3 of the days of the Summer, and I find it to be super easy to maintain and use, with no fuss
buckhakeesah
Well-Known Member
I share the same experiences my friend. The M22 is quite an amazing device. I'm still on my first set of clips since getting my maintenance parts and I've gone pretty hard on it since I got it all working properly. I'm impressed the resistance has held pretty well. Cheers!
VapeEnthusiast
Troy's Army
Those are some awesome developments!
Are you all able to get good TC with a standard mod? As I understand it, that's the point of the clips. Correct?
Do the TC M22s listed as "in stock" come with updated parts?
I'm still interested in the M22, but I'm weary after all that has occurred in the last 2 years. I'm not willing to pay to beta test. I want to buy an "in stock" product, and have a consistent experience afterwards. It seems like AVS might finally be getting there.
Are you all able to get good TC with a standard mod? As I understand it, that's the point of the clips. Correct?
Do the TC M22s listed as "in stock" come with updated parts?
I'm still interested in the M22, but I'm weary after all that has occurred in the last 2 years. I'm not willing to pay to beta test. I want to buy an "in stock" product, and have a consistent experience afterwards. It seems like AVS might finally be getting there.
florduh
Well-Known Member
Honestly, I found a "sweet spot" with one of the Arctic Fox profiles that only uses wattage. It hits dish with a lot of heat for a couple seconds, then backs off to lower wattage to hold the temp. I get similar results to 400-420 on proper TC. It's not as ideal as the promised mod, but I get fast, tasty hits. And the biggest advantage is I haven't switched clips since May.
You can get good TC with a normal mod, but it's not really plug and play.
I think technically speaking they no longer have any beta products outside of the Control tower. I’m sure anything ordered now would come with updated parts. I think the only parts updated are the ESCC and Zirc but not 100% sure. For tc with a standard mod I can’t say, as I just use wattage, but I’m curious what led you to think the clips are meant to help TC with standard mods? I thought they were just a new way to connect the “coil” to the deck basically.
I have had great results with it in wattage though, going weeks without taking it apart to clean and having no issues, and Im a pretty messy dabber. Just decided to wait for control tower to go for TC. But like Florduh said above, works super great in wattage with profiles.
VapeEnthusiast
Troy's Army
Technically speaking, I don't think the vast majority of the M22s in circulation were supposed to be beta units. They were functionally treated exactly like betas though. Why else would those units be receiving updated parts a year in? Those people paid to beta test which I am not interested in.
It's just a matter of preference I suppose.
Alright, thanks.
I tend to share these handheld devices, so I'm looking for something with functional TC. I don't need my noobie friends overheating the whole unit.
I don't have 2-year old comments saved or I'd be able to give a better answer... but at one point AVS declared that they had spent months and tons of money getting TC on standard mods to work with the M22. I guess that time went to waste then? Or maybe not?
I thought the changes were to the clips, but I can't remember. Here's a comment discussing TCR on standard mods to send you down the rabbit hole.
Gotchya. Can you break that down for me? I have standard DNA mods. How well would they work?
With a DNA mod would just be a matter of setting up a TCR value according to the recommended TCR value that comes with your cup, and then lock in your resistance at what it also says on the packaging with the cup (or there-arounds ... depending on the mod you might need to adjust a little ... ie. I find my cup runs better at .44 then .43 that it indicated on the packaging)
I've just received my v2 TC cup, and have used it a bunch, but I'll know better in about a week if this one has any issues with resistance creep etc. (I don't expect it to based on what I've observed with my non-TC v2 cup and the required maintenance therein)
florduh
Well-Known Member
I don't have a DNA, but I've heard they're the most accurate for TC on the M22. I'll just throw it out there if you're concerned about a dummy proof option for friends. Arctic Fox has auto-fire. So I double click the button to start firing. When I see my wattage profile start lowering the watts, I know it's time to hit it. There's no guesswork or technique involved. But if you have a DNA, it should be just riding the button on TC. You just need to make sure there's a good clip connection.
masonjars
Well-Known Member
v3 zirc stopped the wobbling on my v1 OOS crucible too! It also doesn't add much extra resistance, if any at all, compared to the v2. It used to seem like every install with my v2 zirc would always add at least .1ohms (not that it really matters for my OOS, just an observation). After owning the v2 cup (OOS) and v3 zircs for about a month now, I've noticed my routine clip swap/cleaning to be much easier as I'm not getting as much resin buildup on posts or in the atomizer base.
If anyone is still rocking the v2 zirc or no zirc, I would highly recommend shooting them an email for a v3, or ask for one on your next order.
I used a dna250 paranormal paired with the side car bubbler and v1 escc for a year as a daily driver. It’s amazing and works really well once I fine tuned it.