Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci

[Delta3DStudios]

No, I didn't mean the oven would cool down faster - that's not important, I'm interested in conserving as much potency as possible in the ABV.

Well then I'd follow my suggestion - take 2 or 3 long slow draw's after you turn off the oven. This will quickly drop the temperature of the oven (and the load) and save the potency of your ABV.

That's actually one of my biggest complaints with the Haze vaporizer. I HATE that in order to shut off that vape, I need to close the mouthpiece slot, preventing me from taking that last 1 or 2 puffs after the heater is off.

 

[Sativape]

Well then I'd follow my suggestion - take 2 or 3 long slow draw's after you turn off the oven. This will quickly drop the temperature of the oven (and the load) and save the potency of your ABV.

That's actually one of my biggest complaints with the Haze vaporizer. I HATE that in order to shut off that vape, I need to close the mouthpiece slot, preventing me from taking that last 1 or 2 puffs after the heater is off.

Can you pull the battery out to kill the power then take a few draws to deplete the residual heat?

(Wrong thread... I know).

 

[Delta3DStudios]

OT, but good idea

 

[Ricardo]

Well then I'd follow my suggestion - take 2 or 3 long slow draw's after you turn off the oven. This will quickly drop the temperature of the oven (and the load) and save the potency of your ABV.

Yeah, that's what I've doing, pretty much. Gotta say, I've just got a soaring second buzz doing it like I said .. just added a little pinch of fresh to the light brown AVB, ground it up again and whoooosh!

 

[Ricardo]

I think you should also try the glass flowers, they can give higher production (more vapor) from smaller loads (obviously for a shorter time.....). From a heat standpoint it's still a fully packed bowl, in fact better because of more surface contact with hot glass (the flowers are as hot as the oven). You can fine tune it a bit so you put an amount of bud in closer to your needs for the session as well.

Some questions about these glass flowers:

Do they have to be DaVinci or are generic flowers/balls available?

Do you load the chamber and then place the flowers on top or do you mix them up with the herb and pour the mix in together

Do they really improve low-load vaping?

Thanks in anticipation...

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Some questions about these glass flowers:

Do they have to be DaVinci or are generic flowers/balls available?

Do you load the chamber and then place the flowers on top or do you mix them up with the herb and pour the mix in together

Do the really improve low-load vaping?

Thanks in anticipation...

Davinci Does not sell the glass flowers, nor is their glass spacer available for sale yet. I got my glass flowers off eBay

The answers you seek are well documented throughout this thread - http://fuckcombustion.com/search/23080548/?q=glass+flowers&t=post&o=date&c[thread]=9885

 

[mixchu69]

If you don't use too much material, use the glass flowers or oil jars they provide. I never used glass flowers because I like using the full bowl, but will buy the glass spacers when davinci releases them. However, i have used the oil jars in the past and they work fine (initially thought they may cause the inhale to be too restrictive).

 

[KidFated.]

If you don't use too much material, use the glass flowers or oil jars they provide. I never used glass flowers because I like using the full bowl, but will buy the glass spacers when davinci releases them. However, i have used the oil jars in the past and they work fine (initially thought they may cause the inhale to be too restrictive).

I could never get the best hits with the oil jars, but the glass flowers are awesome. One on bottom, two in the middle of the load, one on top. Awesome taste and effect. Love the ascent.

 

[OF]

Do the really improve low-load vaping?

Yes. Why would I lie to you?

They not only much improve vapor production rates with small loads (by storing heat throughout the load so it's available for making vapor, not just that smaller fraction that's touching a wall) but you actually get more vapor from less bud. That is you can take weed out and put reusable glass in instead and get fewer hits but more vapor with each. Careful testing of temperatures within the load showed that the temperature is highest before the it, and only drops (lowering production) after the hit starts. A HUGE drop possibly, over 100 degrees if you hit hard, which is what led to the 'discovery' of adding mass of hot glass spread through the load.

That's why, as Ratchett points out, it's been posted on hundreds to times in this thread. Owners who try it find it works.

I hope I'm not wasting my time here, I don't profit personally in any way from this, I'm trying to help you?

OF

 

[Ricardo]

I hope I'm not wasting my time here, I don't profit personally in any way from this, I'm trying to help you?

NO, no - you're not wsting your time. I'm relativey new to vaping and only found this forum a few weeks ago. I'm grateful for all tips I've just come from my local Grow Shop - they'd never heard of glass spacers - I think they've only sold one Vaporizer - to me! Anyway, the guy said he'd order them, but if they aren't available from DaVinci......?

 

[KidFated.]

NO, no - you're not wsting your time. I'm relativey new to vaping and only found this forum a few weeks ago. I'm grateful for all tips I've just come from my local Grow Shop - they'd never heard of glass spacers - I think they've only sold one Vaporizer - to me! Anyway, the guy said he'd order them, but if they aren't available from DaVinci......?

Amazon glass daisy flowers

 

[OF]

Anyway, the guy said he'd order them, but if they aren't available from DaVinci......?

DV has none for sale, and are working on a substitute of their own. A custom, single piece, which should be easier to use but less effective (less contact).

I ordered mine from Amazon, there are lots of sources suggested by Members in those posts (like LHS and EBay).....

For instance:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008Y9PNAQ/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

OF

 

[mixchu69]

I find that a lot of lhs do not have good information on vaporizers. I would find a shop that specializes on vapes (hard to find) or do research on this forum, because you came to the right place for vaporizer info online. I suggest reading the whole thread (time consuming) or skip to the last 100 pages. You learn a lot.

 

[Sativape]

Just curious if anyone has tried using stainless or ceramic food grade ball bearings in the load?

@OF, any thoughts?

http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-types/balls/ceramic-zirconia-oxide-zro2-series

Check these bad boys out.

 

[OF]

Just curious if anyone has tried using stainless or ceramic food grade ball bearings in the load?

@OF, any thoughts?

http://www.bocabearings.com/bearing-types/balls/ceramic-zirconia-oxide-zro2-series

Not that I know of, but guys have tried glass spheres (beads). The material is OK IMO, although some will balk at SS, but the shape is exactly wrong. Worst possible for the job we have. We need to transfer heat through conduction between the glass and the load. Spheres are the smallest possible surface shape for the mass. That's why raindrops and planet Earth are spheres. Oh, yeah, the sun too......and a bunch of other places.

This is why the flower shape is such an advantage I think, lots of 'square inches per pound' if you will. Both shapes will take up space (reduce the load), but one gives a bigger boost in vapor production (so you can get the same level hit off less bud).

OF

 

[Sativape]

Not that I know of, but guys have tried glass spheres (beads). The material is OK IMO, although some will balk at SS, but the shape is exactly wrong. Worst possible for the job we have. We need to transfer heat through conduction between the glass and the load. Spheres are the smallest possible surface shape for the mass. That's why raindrops and planet Earth are spheres. Oh, yeah, the sun too......and a bunch of other places.

This is why the flower shape is such an advantage I think, lots of 'square inches per pound' if you will. Both shapes will take up space (reduce the load), but one gives a bigger boost in vapor production (so you can get the same level hit off less bud).

OF

@OF, so true.
But what if, for example, instead of using 1 sphere = 1 cubic cm for example compared to using 1 flower - 1 cubic cm, we were to use a several small spheres?

What technique do you use with the glass flowers in terms of where is it located in the load?

Is it in the middle to ensure the plant matter is against the oven's surface?

For my PNP, I use these tiny screen balls when I add concentrates and stuff them in my bullet.

I was going to try it in the Ascent... but I'm worried to scratch the Ascent's pretty oven surface.

maybe I will give this a try in the Ascent's oven... this would have more surface then any glass bead or ball.

I will report back with my test results.

Oh the R&D we all put into the development of bettering the use of these units.

I will make the sacrifice and spend all night if I have to for the FC community.

 

[CarolKing]

I used the Indica metal spacer inside the Ascent. I got herb in my mouth and needed to top with cotton. The metal of coarse got really hot. I got huge clouds. I lowered the heat, the flavor wasn't as good.

 

[OF]

@OF, so true.
But what if, for example, instead of using 1 sphere = 1 cubic cm for example compared to using 1 flower - 1 cubic cm, we were to use a several small spheres?

What technique do you use with the glass flowers in terms of where is it located in the load?

Is it in the middle to ensure the plant matter is against the oven's surface?

It really doesn't matter so much the size, it's the shape that's the problem. No, the goal is not to keep it against the walls, it's already making maximum contact there, right? Can't improve on that unless we 'provide more wall surface'. That being the hot glass inside the load. Heat transfers too slowly though the glass to make being thick an advantage (another sphere drawback unless they're tiny). You want direct contact (meaning fine grind and light packing), at least that's what I found. And, I think, others that have tried it.

I usually use 7 flowers. Two on their sides on the bottom with a layer of bud over them (about 1/3 the load I'm using, about .030 grams for instance). Then 3 flowers, again on their sides, again pretty random. 'Where they fall' as long as they don't stick up too much. Then the other 2/3 of the charge over them which I press down a bit to get it below the line. The final to flowers go in last, 'thumbtack style' side by side. This also keeps the top of the chamber (bottom of the lower stem) where the holes are cleaner. You need to be careful closing it up, you don't want to jam a flower into the seal, but it easily becomes routine.

I dump the load into a mint tin while hot (it comes out with the flowers and all, no problems). I shake the box a bit to loosen the flowers from the ABV then shift the flowers to the lid for loading the next load.

The flowers are a few bucks, give it a try. Some complain of the hassle, but none I think haven't reported better clouds on less bud this way.

Oh, yes, the other insight from the testing is temperature recovery is slow, precise (within a degree or two, perhaps the best I've seen) but giving it a while between hits to recover full heat throughout the load (remember it only drops after you start to hit) is a big help. Try up to say a minute?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci.9885/page-111#post-459922
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci.9885/page-262#post-656321
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci.9885/page-118#post-470034

OF

 

[Sativape]

It really doesn't matter so much the size, it's the shape that's the problem. No, the goal is not to keep it against the walls, it's already making maximum contact there, right? Can't improve on that unless we 'provide more wall surface'. That being the hot glass inside the load. Heat transfers too slowly though the glass to make being thick an advantage (another sphere drawback unless they're tiny). You want direct contact (meaning fine grind and light packing), at least that's what I found. And, I think, others that have tried it.

I usually use 7 flowers. Two on their sides on the bottom with a layer of bud over them (about 1/3 the load I'm using, about .030 grams for instance). Then 3 flowers, again on their sides, again pretty random. 'Where they fall' as long as they don't stick up too much. Then the other 2/3 of the charge over them which I press down a bit to get it below the line. The final to flowers go in last, 'thumbtack style' side by side. This also keeps the top of the chamber (bottom of the lower stem) where the holes are cleaner. You need to be careful closing it up, you don't want to jam a flower into the seal, but it easily becomes routine.

I dump the load into a mint tin while hot (it comes out with the flowers and all, no problems). I shake the box a bit to loosen the flowers from the ABV then shift the flowers to the lid for loading the next load.

The flowers are a few bucks, give it a try. Some complain of the hassle, but none I think haven't reported better clouds on less bud this way.

Oh, yes, the other insight from the testing is temperature recovery is slow, precise (within a degree or two, perhaps the best I've seen) but giving it a while between hits to recover full heat throughout the load (remember it only drops after you start to hit) is a big help. Try up to say a minute?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci.9885/page-111#post-459922
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci.9885/page-262#post-656321
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci.9885/page-118#post-470034

OF

Thanks @OF, Of course I didn't mean trying to increase the oven's surface area.
I meant are you careful not to have any of the spacers/flowers/beads resting right up against the oven wall so you don't reduce the contact of the plant matter in contact with the oven wall.

Thanks for all the detailed information with you using the flowers.
I'm gonna stop by my LHS and scoop up some glass flowers/screens.

@OF, do you vape concentrates?

So I just tried this technique and it worked fairly well:
I loaded about 1/2 a load into the oven, then slid in 3 of these stainless needle nose rollers to bring the load up to about full then sprinkle the top off with a bit of bud..

Worked amazing!

Because I use a bubble/bud mix, these rollers will keep things easier to keep clean and keep maintenance to a min.

 

[OF]

Thanks @OF, Of course I didn't mean trying to increase the oven's surface area.
I meant are you careful not to have any of the spacers/flowers/beads resting right up against the oven wall so you don't reduce the contact of the plant matter in contact with the oven wall.

@OF, do you vape concentrates?

No, I don't make any such effort, they go it where they will. And actually I do mean increasing the oven surface area. I'm adding more glass (the surface material of the oven) an indirectly heating it by conduction to the exact same temperature as the oven walls (hopefully, if you give it enough time....). The net effect is more hot glass contacting more herb.

Yes, I vape concentrates. But not in Ascent.

OF

 

[Silvercloud538]

No, I don't make any such effort, they go it where they will. And actually I do mean increasing the oven surface area. I'm adding more glass (the surface material of the oven) an indirectly heating it by conduction to the exact same temperature as the oven walls (hopefully, if you give it enough time....). The net effect is more hot glass contacting more herb.

Yes, I vape concentrates. But not in Ascent.

OF

@OF ,just to satisfy curiousity ,what is your weapon of choice to vape combined

herb/concentrates ?/?

TIA
Sc_

 

[OF]

@OF ,just to satisfy curiousity ,what is your weapon of choice to vape combined

herb/concentrates ?/?

I generally don't. One or the other usually.

When I do it's usually Iolite or Solo I guess.

OF

 

[Silvercloud538]

I generally don't. One or the other usually.

When I do it's usually Iolite or Solo I guess.

OF

Unfortunate for yours truly ,flower alone doesn't take me to the edge ,and oil/ wax alone

don't have the combined synergistic blissful effects :-(

 

[Sativape]

Unfortunate for yours truly ,flower alone doesn't take me to the edge ,and oil/ wax alone

don't have the combined synergistic blissful effects :-(

@silvercloud358,

My friend needs to combine the effects of vaping bud+concentrates along with eating cannapaste.

It is a very easy process to make:

You should follow the instructions to the T!

Be very careful with how much you ingest.

I highly recommend using coconut oil because of how it solidifies and keeps a more homogenous state vs using an oil and things tend to separate and settle (requires mixing before taking).

I had a pea size amount recently and was blown away... very intense and long lasting.

My friend was very close to going back to combusting/dabbing until he starting eating the cannapaste.

Give it a shot! I hope it helps!

 

[Silvercloud538]

@silvercloud358,

My friend needs to combine the effects of vaping bud+concentrates along with eating cannapaste.

It is a very easy process to make:

You should follow the instructions to the T!

Be very careful with how much you ingest.

I highly recommend using coconut oil because of how it solidifies and keeps a more homogenous state vs using an oil and things tend to separate and settle (requires mixing before taking).

I had a pea size amount recently and was blown away... very intense and long lasting.

My friend was very close to going back to combusting/dabbing until he starting eating the cannapaste.

Give it a shot! I hope it helps!

@Sativape > Yes me used to add ingestion via brownies which brought on very desired results

esp when combining combustion/ vaporization ~ only con: ,could not control effect of reduced

''metabolism" due to *indica ( 'increases' in body weight ) ,but slept like a baby

Thanks for the verry interesting ,informative tutorial :-)

Psst* when using sativa based product ,mania would push the bi-polar thru roof which does

not help my condition ~ if there were a way to intoxicate ( edibles ) w/o

sedation/ stimulation ,it would prolly do the trick ??