Thanks for pointing me to the battery related posts OF. I can't weld and I don't want to start on a battery, so unless I find some nice high cap batteries with tabs already applied maybe I'll just buy a replacement stock battery pack from PIU if the price is fairly low...
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wilvape
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Very good to hear this confirmation. Confirms the points you mentioned as well as the possibility of the PA kicking in at full battery level as well.
Stepping back to what the battery powers verses the external supply is very interesting. The fact that, even with old units in true PA operation, would use "some" battery to power the unit seemed rather off. One would expect maybe some power for the intelligence comes from battery but the numbers tend to show more drain, indicating helping the heater. What a mouth full. Sorry, bad at wording this together.
The ratio of battery verses PA in the old type was 5 or 6 to 1.
Now the reason the old (and new?) will not work on PA with a dead battery is not the lack of power but rather the smart Solo is protecting it's battery from under charge. Turning off is just "doing it's job". Removing the battery is taking away the resistance of a low battery needing a charge, hence taking away the shut off safe guards.
OK, so where am I going with this? Almost forgot myself.... Oh yeah, Removing the battery is similar to having a battery with a full charge. High impedance and the charge circuit would also be off. Combine this with what was mentioned the other night about a chap stating he thought his unit was working like the old PA while it was fully charged. Also, with the 5:1 ratio from befor would mean the you'd get 6 plus sessions before the battery would indicate it needs a charge. I remember reading a letter where an Arizer tech had said that if using the old style PA while fully charged it would not use the battery. Now we know that not to be 100% true but maybe has got some truth to it.
, make any sense? Or am I
I have tested battery life with PA plugged in and the results are always clear, this thing uses up considerable battery life just by having the PA plugged in, if I leave PA plugged in the solo will drop a light on the charge within the first day, but if I use the PA and unplug after every session I will go as least 2 days before I drop a light, same amount of sessions just using a lot less power by not being plugged in, this happens every time, battery is being used up when PA is on, even when not heating!
Will
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I have noticed the battery going down while using the PA a little. Someone mentioned the the lights possibly are being run by the battery.
I will be curious about whether we will be able to use the Solo if the battery is disabled. I will be watching for results with that.
My new replacement Solo from PIU has arrived at my hometown Post Office it says. Thankful I had my older model Solo this past week. It took 9 days from the time I sent it back. Randy said they got a new shipment Monday night.
Hopefully this will be a unit without flaws. I wonder what is going on with the batteries on these new Solos.? Too much for the battery charging and heating up? Maybe they need a different battery? I don't know anything about electronics. I learn a lot just reading through some of the posts. Thanks to all for the great info that we're getting.
I will be curious about whether we will be able to use the Solo if the battery is disabled. I will be watching for results with that.
My new replacement Solo from PIU has arrived at my hometown Post Office it says. Thankful I had my older model Solo this past week. It took 9 days from the time I sent it back. Randy said they got a new shipment Monday night.
Hopefully this will be a unit without flaws. I wonder what is going on with the batteries on these new Solos.? Too much for the battery charging and heating up? Maybe they need a different battery? I don't know anything about electronics. I learn a lot just reading through some of the posts. Thanks to all for the great info that we're getting.
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ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
My stuff is ground kind of course.
Less plant material that way!
We only need the medicine stored in the flower. The vaporizers requiring a fine grind are not useful in my case!
Too much chlorophyll.
KidFated.
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Randy's simply a boss, can't say enough good things about him.
@ataxian I was in a hurry and grabbed my "mflb jar" so it's a fine powder. Luckily I found a jar with a small bud in it and just put it in my stem.
Quoting Bob Dylan and Lupe Fiasco in my final speech while stoned outta my head. Damn that was actually a good class..
I've been getting 6-7 sessions out of my solo. Pretty damn good. I do see myself using twice as much material as my mflb but I plan on doming some screens in my stems to reduce the stem load. These shouldn't be portable, people out and about with these means people are getting seriously medicated anywhere haha
@ataxian I was in a hurry and grabbed my "mflb jar" so it's a fine powder. Luckily I found a jar with a small bud in it and just put it in my stem.
Quoting Bob Dylan and Lupe Fiasco in my final speech while stoned outta my head. Damn that was actually a good class..
I've been getting 6-7 sessions out of my solo. Pretty damn good. I do see myself using twice as much material as my mflb but I plan on doming some screens in my stems to reduce the stem load. These shouldn't be portable, people out and about with these means people are getting seriously medicated anywhere haha
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you and me both, except i didnt grab a backup solo until this week, over a week without a solo is killing me! i have been refreshing the USPS page like a madman (its what i am )
truth right here. the man always done excellent by me and i have referred many friends to him. i cant imagine how many crying stoners over broken vapes bugging him nonstop about returns he has to deal with.
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OF
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As I've said before, I tested this idea and it doesn't bear up. The power draw from the battery is determined by the PA input voltage for the most part (somewhat by battery charge state). Within the 6.9 to 9.0 Volt window the higher the PA voltage the lower the drain on the battery. The LEDs don't change. To a lesser extent, as the battery discharges it contributes less to the total power than when fully charged for any given PA voltage.
I think the different performance reported with no battery is because removing the battery actually stops the processor, it reboots when the PA is plugged in. I could be wrong there, of course, just a guess based on second hand information......
OF
Propaganja
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Just got an email from arizer, they sent out my replacement solo after receiving my broken m1d yesterday. The service is really fast and I didn't expect it to be shipped out until next week. Do you guys know if "replacement" means a refurbished, rebuilt my m1d, or a totally new one?
hd_rider
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Performed a small "upgrade" on my Solo devices today. You may recall I posted a couple of days ago with pictures of cracks in the base of my new silver Solo.
Went to Ace Hardware today and bought some machine screws and washers to replace the OEM countersunk screws. The new screws and washers help alleviate some of the stress that was induced by the original screws. The new screws went in nice and snug with little effort. Total cost: $2.19.
Went to Ace Hardware today and bought some machine screws and washers to replace the OEM countersunk screws. The new screws and washers help alleviate some of the stress that was induced by the original screws. The new screws went in nice and snug with little effort. Total cost: $2.19.
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cawshook
Solod out.
Aren't the new silver ones supposed to be all silver? If all goes well I should be getting a new solo, I used to have the black. I'm considering silver, but I love all black.Did a small "upgrade" on my Solo devices today. You may recall I posted a couple of days ago with pictures of cracks in the base of my new silver Solo.
Went to Ace Hardware today and bought some machine screws and washers to replace the OEM screws. The new screws and washers help alleviate some of the stress that was induced by the original screws. The new screws went in nice and snug with little effort. Total cost: $2.19.
hd_rider
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Other than the base and the control panel (with the buttons & LEDs), it is all silver. I can see how my picture posted above might suggest otherwise. Guess it was the angle of the ambient lighting....
poonman
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Here was my test results using a PA on a Fully Charged new Solo
I used it for a full hour straight on level 7 with the PA . 5 sessions
It didn't tripped the charge sensor , not once .
By that , I mean the green flashing light didn't come on .
I'd unplugged it , let it cool a few minutes .
Then plugged it in to the regular charger .
It was charging , it was still on 7 , but needed topping up
for about 20 minutes .
I thought it was strange that it didn't kick into charging mode
while using the PA . It definitely lost some battery power .
But then , the other Chap @Pipes , said it may take about 6
sessions to trip the sensor ... more testing
I used it for a full hour straight on level 7 with the PA . 5 sessions
It didn't tripped the charge sensor , not once .
By that , I mean the green flashing light didn't come on .
I'd unplugged it , let it cool a few minutes .
Then plugged it in to the regular charger .
It was charging , it was still on 7 , but needed topping up
for about 20 minutes .
I thought it was strange that it didn't kick into charging mode
while using the PA . It definitely lost some battery power .
But then , the other Chap @Pipes , said it may take about 6
sessions to trip the sensor ... more testing
OF
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Yep, has to be. The power has to come from somewhere.
I said before I wouldn't be surprised if the drop was masked. That is the display 'rigged' to not show it so t they don't get to answer 'how come my charge light comes on after I use the adapter for a session (or two)?' once for every 3 units they sell........
I guess I don't see much wrong with this idea, it's a minor thing and can almost always be quietly corrected (full recharge). Kind of a 'stealth top up'? It's not an instrument for exercising batteries, it's a tool for making vapor.
As I said, you have to actually measure the charging to know what's going on, bringing up the example of the Pinnacle (which I just finished playing with, which 'lies' a lot......)?
Thanks for posing the additional information, enjoy your testing.....
OF
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Received my replacement Solo from PIU, it was at battery level 5. I put the unit on the charger and charged until a solid green light, it only took an hour. Then I did 2 burn offs on heat level 7, it was giving off an electrical smell. I wiped it off with ISO and a q-tip. The smell didn't last long. I didn't see any cracks on the bottom plate.
I then did 2 - 12 min sessions, the battery level still said 5. I put the new Solo on the PA to see if it would charge and heat and it does, both the green and the red light came on during my 12 min session. The other newer model Solo that I sent back would heat and charge at the same time with the PA, but I didn't run it that way for the most part. I wanted to be easy on the battery, but had problems anyway with the unit. It acted like it was a battery problem.
Overall very happy with Puffitup, I sent the unit back on a week ago Tues., and received a new one today. I'm not mentioning anything about what my serial # is, it can be anybody's guess.
In my above post I mentioned my Solo loosing battery charge while using my PA. That was with the older model Solo, just wanted to make that clear.
I'm thankful that it's Friday, a very busy and a stressful week. I've already done some de-stressing.
At least I didn't have to stress out regarding my Solo, I knew I was in great hands with PIU. Let's get this weekend going.
I then did 2 - 12 min sessions, the battery level still said 5. I put the new Solo on the PA to see if it would charge and heat and it does, both the green and the red light came on during my 12 min session. The other newer model Solo that I sent back would heat and charge at the same time with the PA, but I didn't run it that way for the most part. I wanted to be easy on the battery, but had problems anyway with the unit. It acted like it was a battery problem.
Overall very happy with Puffitup, I sent the unit back on a week ago Tues., and received a new one today. I'm not mentioning anything about what my serial # is, it can be anybody's guess.
In my above post I mentioned my Solo loosing battery charge while using my PA. That was with the older model Solo, just wanted to make that clear.
I'm thankful that it's Friday, a very busy and a stressful week. I've already done some de-stressing.
At least I didn't have to stress out regarding my Solo, I knew I was in great hands with PIU. Let's get this weekend going.
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esoh
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hey ya'll
i've been meaning to ask this to you guys for months, why does my backup solo suck so badly?
the temperature lights go up very quickly, but it never reaches temperatures close to what it's supposed to. even if i were to leave it on #7 for 30 minutes, the unit would still be very lukewarm to the touch. compare this to my other solo which becomes extremely hot after a few sessions and produces amazing clouds.
i remember an FC user posting here a few months ago about him having similar problems, but i never followed up to see if he was able to solve them. does anyone else have any insight into this heating issue?
i've been meaning to ask this to you guys for months, why does my backup solo suck so badly?
the temperature lights go up very quickly, but it never reaches temperatures close to what it's supposed to. even if i were to leave it on #7 for 30 minutes, the unit would still be very lukewarm to the touch. compare this to my other solo which becomes extremely hot after a few sessions and produces amazing clouds.
i remember an FC user posting here a few months ago about him having similar problems, but i never followed up to see if he was able to solve them. does anyone else have any insight into this heating issue?
esoh
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do i have some kind of proof of owenership? i got it off ebay wholesalers lol.
poonman
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Here's the reply I got from Arizer .
With Arizer , you require the Serial # at the bottom .
but ,
with certain vendors , you may just need proof of purchase ONLY
hope that helps .
OF
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Here's the reply I got from Arizer .
With Arizer , you require the Serial # at the bottom .
but ,
with certain vendors , you may just need proof of purchase ONLY
hope that helps .
We differ here. I see this as getting the information necessary to "assist you with some troubleshooting", for that the full serial number information would be necessary to determine which version and therefore how it should behave.
You're surely not saying you think the maker will refuse to give you help without that number? Has anyone ever had this happen?
OTOH, going to "certain other vendors" will get you more questionable technical help (what makes them experts???) and giving them the number off the bottom should be no problem (unless it's stolen.....) and likewise describing the problem in some detail (as requested above) seems necessary to giving that advice.
Getting a replacement may call for more, but I sure don't see that happening here.
Why would there possibly be any problem providing the information requested? It's like expecting the Doctor to give you the right pill, you have to tell him 'where it hurts'.
OF
wilvape
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The solo runs on battery for lights and timer when in PA mode bottom line! If you did a test like following it will show you results, Charge solo full till light stops flashing 7 lights, Plug PA in, now keep track of how many sessions you get till it drops down to 6 lights, now you know how many sessions you get with the PA kept plugged in, Next charge back till light stops and now plug the PA in for session only and then unplug and only plug back in when only doing a session, now count how many session you get, you will soon find out that something is draining power if you leave plugged in.( the lights and timer) I tested my timer and it also runs constant when PA left plugged in.
One of my solo's I can actually do this, unplug it after a good pull and the lights will actually keep going for 5-10 seconds, my other solo does this once in a while but not as often.
OF
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Again, unless your Solo is different from mine, that's not the bottom line. In fact it's not really happening. I say this because I've actually measured it. Consider, please, it will run with no battery at all, how does this square with needing a battery to run "lights and timer when in PA mode"?
Here's an experiment to run, change the voltage of the PA. I reported my tests along these lines some time back, I got a couple dozen sessions per battery charge with the PA at 7 Volts, but over 100 with exactly the same test run with the PA at 9 Volts. Why should 'the lights and timer' take so much less power at the higher input voltage?
The answer, from my tests, is that at lower PA voltages the battery contributes progressively more of the power to heat. You can see the increase in battery current when the heater kicks in. The jump is smaller when the PA voltage is higher.
I get what you think, it was my first assumption as well, but IMO objective testing shows otherwise. One should question/test assumptions. As is I think proper, I encourage others to repeat my experiments and draw their own conclusions. A theory is only as good as the proof I guess?
OF
Edit: Here's a post from the past you might find interesting?
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-735#post-451422
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