dorkus_molorkus
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Iolite gives bigger hits than the solo?? 
really?
really?
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mari
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MrNorml said:
Hey MrNorml, that is absolutely right. Many people in this thread mistakenly claimed that the holes in the stem are the determining factor in difficulty of air draw, but this is clearly not the case [edit: with the 5 tubes i have tried -- on these, ] the resistance to airflow is determined by the uneven air-gap between the bottom of the crucible and the bottom edge of the stem.
The resistance in the draw is too high for me, so i make my own stems which are uneven enough at the bottom so that plenty of air gets trough. A next-generation solo will hopefully improve the air-path and heat-buffering ability of the device!
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Arizer Solo vaporizing "eSmoker Classic" e-liquid (about 1/2 drop on a bowed screen)
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E.F.Searles
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mari said:
Man I was wondering if it was possible to vape e juice in the solo. Question answered haha, cool stuff. What are you using to soak up the liquid? Temp?
OhTheAgony
here for the chicks
Be careful if you do that with nicotine holding e-juice. It's easy to take in a much higher doses then you would with an e-cig, nicotine can be lethal in a high enough dose.
nicotine poisoning
nicotine poisoning
darkrom
Great Scott!
dorkus_molorkus said:Iolite gives bigger hits than the solo??
really?
I eventually sold both vapes, but NO WAY did the iolite come even close to the solo in hit size. This was the regular iolite, but I really can't picture any of their models giving out large clouds at all IMO.
Vaped Ape
MMJ Therapist specializing in gynecology~wannabe
^^^^Mari
"The resistance in the draw is too high for me, so i make my own stems which are uneven enough at the bottom so that plenty of air gets trough."
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This is interesting, could you elaborate on your stem mod.
Da Ape
"The resistance in the draw is too high for me, so i make my own stems which are uneven enough at the bottom so that plenty of air gets trough."
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This is interesting, could you elaborate on your stem mod.
Da Ape
dorkus_molorkus
Well-Known Member
didnt your mama mention that the good things in life required some effort on your part?-lol 
mari
Member
(^^oops sorry for the double post!^^)
Yes nicotine is a relatively poisonous alkaloid, thanks for pointing that out.
If you are mixing or dispensing liquids, you must be able to estimate how much nicotine you are portioning-out and consuming. It can help to consider whether an intermediate result is actually a number that translates into a realistic real-world amount. In other words: If your calculations tell you to put a pound of sugar into your coffee cup, don't believe the calculations.
Anyhow given the following:
* The e-liquid contains 10mg/ml nicotine
* One ml e-liquid contains 20 drops of e-liquid
* Quantity applied per 'bowl' is approximately 1/2 drop
can you calculate how many milligrams of nicotine is in the Arizer Solo stem?
[ SPOILER ]
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Cancel-out the terms and multiply.
That's 0.25 mg in the entire stem.
And that is inhaled over about ten draws
And only a fraction of that is absorbed by the lungs into the bloodstream -- the rest is exhaled in the vapor clouds. I don't know how much is absorbed into the bloodstream... 10, 20, 40%? For now let's just assume the bloodstream absorbs ALL the nicotine from the Arizer. That is, we are going to consider whether the worst, most dangerous conditions could lead to an overdose.
The estimated lethal human dosage (for at least 50% of those exposed) of nicotine is approximately 40-60 mg versus 0.025 mg in the stem.
Under these conditions, a normal lungfull from my Arizer Solo delivers about two thousand times less than the published LD50 of nicotine in humans. This is good, because when we take medicines, we dont want to be within spitting distance of a lethal dose -- we want our dosage to be Orders Of Magnitude smaller than the estimated lethal dose. Knowing a published LD50 figure does not mean it is safe to consume any amount up to the LD50! Please don't try that.
Ran out of time, hope i remembered everything... cheers folks! fun forum!
[edit] Yet another thing to do with solo stems! Today I found an unused 30 watt soldering iron with ceramic tip: This, of course, had to be tried immediately...
A straight Solo stem was filled 1/2 with material and moderately packed, then a silicone tube was attached to the top (inside wall of stem). The entire tube and whip were placed on the exposed ceramic element to heat for about 1 minute.
Effects: Very smooth but powerful-hitting, a lot cooler smoke than the Solo, very little air resistance, a lot of debris in mouth (bad screen seating). Slight remnants of funky ceramic taste. Fun experiment, and required no modification to the iron.
Edit2: after vaporising a total of 8 stems to a medium tan, three trials resulted in combustion - American Spirit tobacco quick to burn. Further combustion was prevented by lifting the stem 1-2cm away from the end of the heating element. Next tubes will be longer for this..
Edit3: silicon tube is nearly ideal for cigarette filter: cut down in diameter, it gives a very nice taste, and flash! Smell of ceramic hard to notice at all now, after 4 hours of full temperature operation.
OhTheAgony said:
Yes nicotine is a relatively poisonous alkaloid, thanks for pointing that out.
If you are mixing or dispensing liquids, you must be able to estimate how much nicotine you are portioning-out and consuming. It can help to consider whether an intermediate result is actually a number that translates into a realistic real-world amount. In other words: If your calculations tell you to put a pound of sugar into your coffee cup, don't believe the calculations.
Anyhow given the following:
* The e-liquid contains 10mg/ml nicotine
* One ml e-liquid contains 20 drops of e-liquid
* Quantity applied per 'bowl' is approximately 1/2 drop
can you calculate how many milligrams of nicotine is in the Arizer Solo stem?
[ SPOILER ]
.
.
.
.
.
Code:
0.5 drops * ( 1 ml / 20 drops ) * ( 10 mg / 1 ml )Cancel-out the terms and multiply.
Code:
= ( 5 / 20 ) mg = 0.25 mg nicotineThat's 0.25 mg in the entire stem.
And that is inhaled over about ten draws
Code:
( 0.25 mg / stem ) * ( 1 stem / 10 draws) = 0.025 mg / drawAnd only a fraction of that is absorbed by the lungs into the bloodstream -- the rest is exhaled in the vapor clouds. I don't know how much is absorbed into the bloodstream... 10, 20, 40%? For now let's just assume the bloodstream absorbs ALL the nicotine from the Arizer. That is, we are going to consider whether the worst, most dangerous conditions could lead to an overdose.
The estimated lethal human dosage (for at least 50% of those exposed) of nicotine is approximately 40-60 mg versus 0.025 mg in the stem.
Under these conditions, a normal lungfull from my Arizer Solo delivers about two thousand times less than the published LD50 of nicotine in humans. This is good, because when we take medicines, we dont want to be within spitting distance of a lethal dose -- we want our dosage to be Orders Of Magnitude smaller than the estimated lethal dose. Knowing a published LD50 figure does not mean it is safe to consume any amount up to the LD50! Please don't try that.
Ran out of time, hope i remembered everything... cheers folks! fun forum!
[edit] Yet another thing to do with solo stems! Today I found an unused 30 watt soldering iron with ceramic tip: This, of course, had to be tried immediately...
A straight Solo stem was filled 1/2 with material and moderately packed, then a silicone tube was attached to the top (inside wall of stem). The entire tube and whip were placed on the exposed ceramic element to heat for about 1 minute.
Effects: Very smooth but powerful-hitting, a lot cooler smoke than the Solo, very little air resistance, a lot of debris in mouth (bad screen seating). Slight remnants of funky ceramic taste. Fun experiment, and required no modification to the iron.
Edit2: after vaporising a total of 8 stems to a medium tan, three trials resulted in combustion - American Spirit tobacco quick to burn. Further combustion was prevented by lifting the stem 1-2cm away from the end of the heating element. Next tubes will be longer for this..
Edit3: silicon tube is nearly ideal for cigarette filter: cut down in diameter, it gives a very nice taste, and flash! Smell of ceramic hard to notice at all now, after 4 hours of full temperature operation.
damienm420
Member
Damn. Well done sir. Sounds like you've done your research. +1
Sounds like you've done your research. +1
Vaped Ape
MMJ Therapist specializing in gynecology~wannabe
SEPT 2011 FC Forum
"Ok, I notched the bottom of one of my stems. I will say that you should start with a new blade. Don't want a frayed cutting disc to catch and bust the SOB. I used a die grinder as my Dremel is loaned out. Cut just one tiny ^ about the size of a pencil lead. I would like to be able to put one more in opposite the cut I made to balance it out but we will try it first. I have dry tested it and it seems to work. Tomorrow I will line up some herb to give it the big go. Yes it is dry in my house tonite. Sweeter than a mutha fucka.
"
Here is a post from way back in Sept. Some of you guys need to live on the island for awhile before you invent the wheel, only to step out of your cave and see that the wheel was actually already invented, as evidenced by all the caves on the caveblock with wheels in their front yard.
Reading the Thread has been the theme for a long time.
Da Ape
"Ok, I notched the bottom of one of my stems. I will say that you should start with a new blade. Don't want a frayed cutting disc to catch and bust the SOB. I used a die grinder as my Dremel is loaned out. Cut just one tiny ^ about the size of a pencil lead. I would like to be able to put one more in opposite the cut I made to balance it out but we will try it first. I have dry tested it and it seems to work. Tomorrow I will line up some herb to give it the big go. Yes it is dry in my house tonite. Sweeter than a mutha fucka.
"Here is a post from way back in Sept. Some of you guys need to live on the island for awhile before you invent the wheel, only to step out of your cave and see that the wheel was actually already invented, as evidenced by all the caves on the caveblock with wheels in their front yard.
Reading the Thread has been the theme for a long time.
Da Ape
dorkus_molorkus
Well-Known Member
'' as evidenced by all the caves on the caveblock with wheels in their front yard.'' ROFLMAO
I got 20in rock rims, sabertooth fur seatcovers, packing a 6ft spear & on my way to do a drive by spearing of that bastard Tharg.
Cocksucker been bangin my missus, she come home with a bump on her head and drag marks on her heels that lead back to the mofo's cave.
I got 20in rock rims, sabertooth fur seatcovers, packing a 6ft spear & on my way to do a drive by spearing of that bastard Tharg.
Cocksucker been bangin my missus, she come home with a bump on her head and drag marks on her heels that lead back to the mofo's cave.
dorkus_molorkus
Well-Known Member
only bogans say 'me ass' & as we have discussed earlier, thats a no-no! 
amended in future to ROFL so there is no confusion or bogan insinutations.
Dont make me come looking for you after I shiv that prick Tharg.
BTW-I got a 9mm sharpened stick & 2 rocks for any mofo that thinks he can jump me too.
amended in future to ROFL so there is no confusion or bogan insinutations.
Dont make me come looking for you after I shiv that prick Tharg.
BTW-I got a 9mm sharpened stick & 2 rocks for any mofo that thinks he can jump me too.
AceTK
Radiant Thoughtforms
Ok so my solo arrived and after a night and a day of initial testing I would like to present the following observations.
*Even on temp setting 7 the ABV comes out looking really light brown, compared to my other vapes that left the ABV a deep dark roasted instant coffee powder kinda consistency.
*No combustion. Lets say that again because lets be fair after using the MFLB and box vapes it really is a biggy. No combustion woohoo!
*I really like how the microcontroller works tirelessly to maintain the temp so as long as you keep to low draw speeds the vape adjusts to you.
*Draw speed does seem restricted compared to most other vapes with exception of MFLB. Often feels like you are just sucking on a blocked tube and its not doing anything but if you relax and don't fight it you can get a really slow warm satisfying pulse of vapor. Despite all these its still hard to hold it against the solo as it is a portable device and when compared to the MFLB yes the MFLB is smaller but to equal the solo ud have to carry about 20 AA's and that's just not realistic.
*Battery life, hmm well its taking 2 hours to charge and running down to battery warning shutdown in about 10 cycles so from what ive read here thats about average and consistent with the cheapo Chinese BFN batteries they used but also very impressive in terms of how well it lasts compared to other portable devices. I think the PWM design is the major contributor and when compared to say the MFLB that simply uses the battery 100% of the time. In hippy ducky's thread I believe he said it only requires a 7% duty cycle to maintain the bowl temp and that thermal mass was not needed and that simply using a more efficient algorithm to maintain a floating setpoint on a simple well insulated bowl was best. You really can see how a system like this is optimal. Just watching the solo the heater light stops when it is hot enough and uses even less if not nearly no power until it drops down from time or user use draw cooling, wonderful.
*As far as temp goes 5 is about max you can use long term without mouth burn but often I find myself toughing it out at setting 7 to get the last little bit of high temp economy extraction.
*Really digging the straight tube.
*That aromatherapy oils dish thingy is useless. I tried putting oil in and leaving it on temp 7 over about 5 cycles and it didn't even get much warmer than my skin temp. All it needs is a hole drilled in it to vent and the bottom sealed flat so that the oil can be closer to the element without spilling out all over it.
*Both the stems are really loose and spin round and can fall out if turned upside down unless you use the rubber top plug and rest it so that it holds the tube in place.
*I tried it a few times without gauze and without grinding. Ok I'm impressed but the vapor amount is nowhere near as thick as if you place a gauze in and grind well and ul get little bits still flying up into your mouth and stuck on sides of tube. Id also like to add that just adding a gauze to the tube and even just breathing through it quickly to test airflow I could really taste the metal of the gauze so there is a lot to be said for an all glass vapor path.
*The smell, well id be lying if I said it didn't niff pretty strong. But the smell just smells like a new electronics smell which I don't mind and incidentally has declined significantly over night. If it gets worse or gives me a headache il be sure to get it swapped over though but I'm hoping it'l never come to that.
*Optimal grinding grade? Well I have to say im pretty damn impressed with the space case titanium. All I do is a couple of turns and the bud is shredded with ease then open up and scoop the herb directly into the end of the tube, press the end in bit, then insert into solo. Using this method I have good combo between grade, vapor production and ease of use.
*Warm up time is good. At first I warmed it up then placed herb inside. Id use the warm up time to get herb ready etc but then I discovered its best to get herb ready first then place herb in to warm up while it heats up then you don't have the warm up delay after insertion.
*For some reason no matter how many times or where I press down on start up I can't get it to resume last preset. But pressing and holding up turns the sound on and off ok while on.
*After just one day it is apparent to me that the non charge power adapter is a well needed extra. Had some pretty painful moments at a friends house waiting for the thing to charge. I emailed about ordering it and should get it next week hopefully. (thanks Guillaume @ lacentralevapeur.com i forgot what you username on here is again
)
*Hmm whats left, construction. Overall it feels really solid and metal. As I said before the tubes are a little loose which makes me have to increase my overall level of carefulness but generally once the rubber flap is resting on the tube it seldom moves although be careful of lips getting stuck to the end of tube and pulling it out accidentally as that happened once already.
*Ah noise. Yes no nasty buzzing or high pitch whine for me on my model even with ear right up to unit and believe me my ears are sensitive. Only noise really is a squeaking sound of air struggling to get into the end of the tube while drawing but generally if you hear this then you are trying to draw too hard.
*Stoner Stealthyness? So overall id say this gets a high score for stealth being silent and especially combined with no risk of burning smell. Also if you so choose you can take a can opener to a your selection of thin 250ml canned clear liquid (I say clear as well if you are taking semi clear hits from a red bull can it don't look like red bull do it?) and slide your solo in the top for an uber discrete disguise.
Anyhoo just thought id post all that info while it was fresh. Might helps others out there in the same situation I was in day or so ago. Youtube video to come soon...
*Even on temp setting 7 the ABV comes out looking really light brown, compared to my other vapes that left the ABV a deep dark roasted instant coffee powder kinda consistency.
*No combustion. Lets say that again because lets be fair after using the MFLB and box vapes it really is a biggy. No combustion woohoo!
*I really like how the microcontroller works tirelessly to maintain the temp so as long as you keep to low draw speeds the vape adjusts to you.
*Draw speed does seem restricted compared to most other vapes with exception of MFLB. Often feels like you are just sucking on a blocked tube and its not doing anything but if you relax and don't fight it you can get a really slow warm satisfying pulse of vapor. Despite all these its still hard to hold it against the solo as it is a portable device and when compared to the MFLB yes the MFLB is smaller but to equal the solo ud have to carry about 20 AA's and that's just not realistic.
*Battery life, hmm well its taking 2 hours to charge and running down to battery warning shutdown in about 10 cycles so from what ive read here thats about average and consistent with the cheapo Chinese BFN batteries they used but also very impressive in terms of how well it lasts compared to other portable devices. I think the PWM design is the major contributor and when compared to say the MFLB that simply uses the battery 100% of the time. In hippy ducky's thread I believe he said it only requires a 7% duty cycle to maintain the bowl temp and that thermal mass was not needed and that simply using a more efficient algorithm to maintain a floating setpoint on a simple well insulated bowl was best. You really can see how a system like this is optimal. Just watching the solo the heater light stops when it is hot enough and uses even less if not nearly no power until it drops down from time or user use draw cooling, wonderful.
*As far as temp goes 5 is about max you can use long term without mouth burn but often I find myself toughing it out at setting 7 to get the last little bit of high temp economy extraction.
*Really digging the straight tube.
*That aromatherapy oils dish thingy is useless. I tried putting oil in and leaving it on temp 7 over about 5 cycles and it didn't even get much warmer than my skin temp. All it needs is a hole drilled in it to vent and the bottom sealed flat so that the oil can be closer to the element without spilling out all over it.
*Both the stems are really loose and spin round and can fall out if turned upside down unless you use the rubber top plug and rest it so that it holds the tube in place.
*I tried it a few times without gauze and without grinding. Ok I'm impressed but the vapor amount is nowhere near as thick as if you place a gauze in and grind well and ul get little bits still flying up into your mouth and stuck on sides of tube. Id also like to add that just adding a gauze to the tube and even just breathing through it quickly to test airflow I could really taste the metal of the gauze so there is a lot to be said for an all glass vapor path.
*The smell, well id be lying if I said it didn't niff pretty strong. But the smell just smells like a new electronics smell which I don't mind and incidentally has declined significantly over night. If it gets worse or gives me a headache il be sure to get it swapped over though but I'm hoping it'l never come to that.
*Optimal grinding grade? Well I have to say im pretty damn impressed with the space case titanium. All I do is a couple of turns and the bud is shredded with ease then open up and scoop the herb directly into the end of the tube, press the end in bit, then insert into solo. Using this method I have good combo between grade, vapor production and ease of use.
*Warm up time is good. At first I warmed it up then placed herb inside. Id use the warm up time to get herb ready etc but then I discovered its best to get herb ready first then place herb in to warm up while it heats up then you don't have the warm up delay after insertion.
*For some reason no matter how many times or where I press down on start up I can't get it to resume last preset. But pressing and holding up turns the sound on and off ok while on.
*After just one day it is apparent to me that the non charge power adapter is a well needed extra. Had some pretty painful moments at a friends house waiting for the thing to charge. I emailed about ordering it and should get it next week hopefully. (thanks Guillaume @ lacentralevapeur.com i forgot what you username on here is again
)*Hmm whats left, construction. Overall it feels really solid and metal. As I said before the tubes are a little loose which makes me have to increase my overall level of carefulness but generally once the rubber flap is resting on the tube it seldom moves although be careful of lips getting stuck to the end of tube and pulling it out accidentally as that happened once already.
*Ah noise. Yes no nasty buzzing or high pitch whine for me on my model even with ear right up to unit and believe me my ears are sensitive. Only noise really is a squeaking sound of air struggling to get into the end of the tube while drawing but generally if you hear this then you are trying to draw too hard.
*Stoner Stealthyness? So overall id say this gets a high score for stealth being silent and especially combined with no risk of burning smell. Also if you so choose you can take a can opener to a your selection of thin 250ml canned clear liquid (I say clear as well if you are taking semi clear hits from a red bull can it don't look like red bull do it?) and slide your solo in the top for an uber discrete disguise.
Anyhoo just thought id post all that info while it was fresh. Might helps others out there in the same situation I was in day or so ago. Youtube video to come soon...
OhTheAgony
here for the chicks
So you finally got it aye? Nice review Ace.
After 6 full battery cycles on heat setting 7 the smell on my M105 finally faded enough for me to work up the guts to try a bowl. It still smells a bit metallic if you stick your nose in the warmed up bowl, but I couldn't really notice a taste when using it through water.
I too noticed that it wasn't really able to get the ABV really dark. My M102 gets the ABV slightly darker on setting 5 as the M105 does on setting 7.
Charging the new one seems to take a bit longer while it drains the battery a little quicker, but heat up time is also noticeably faster.
I like the new ring above the bowl, in mine it keeps the stem in even when turned upside down which makes it a bit more comfortable to use with a waterpipe. Stems fit a lot tighter then in the old one and don't move around unless I force them to. I've read others report that it will loosen up after several uses though, but I won't be testing that myself.
No noise from this one either, oppose to my first M105.
After 6 full battery cycles on heat setting 7 the smell on my M105 finally faded enough for me to work up the guts to try a bowl. It still smells a bit metallic if you stick your nose in the warmed up bowl, but I couldn't really notice a taste when using it through water.
I too noticed that it wasn't really able to get the ABV really dark. My M102 gets the ABV slightly darker on setting 5 as the M105 does on setting 7.
Charging the new one seems to take a bit longer while it drains the battery a little quicker, but heat up time is also noticeably faster.
I like the new ring above the bowl, in mine it keeps the stem in even when turned upside down which makes it a bit more comfortable to use with a waterpipe. Stems fit a lot tighter then in the old one and don't move around unless I force them to. I've read others report that it will loosen up after several uses though, but I won't be testing that myself.
No noise from this one either, oppose to my first M105.
OhTheAgony
here for the chicks
That's funny, yours is flush like the older models.
Here's mine:
Here's mine:
AceTK
Radiant Thoughtforms
Funny you say that. That picture I posted is the one vaposhop sent me before I got the unit. The actual one I have has a black not brown inner casing. Could it be someone at vaposhop swapped over the black cover from the silver M102's that I know they have in stock and put it on the SS they sent me and thought I would not notice.
OhTheAgony
here for the chicks
That seems highly unlikely to me. I mean, why would they go through all that trouble even if they had the technical capabilities to do that (they would've needed to take the bowl assembly apart as well to swap out the ceramic covered bowl for a SS one). Plus you reported that it runs on the colder side like my M105, not as hot as a ceramic one. I think there are just different M105s out, and it seems the ones Vaposhop received from Arizer is one of the earlier made batches.
I've seen those heater covers or whatever they are called in white, black, brown and silver(ish) so far. Not sure why they vary in color.
I've seen those heater covers or whatever they are called in white, black, brown and silver(ish) so far. Not sure why they vary in color.
AceTK
Radiant Thoughtforms
Ah well I emailed arizer about it to get their take on it. Already my mind is working on a solution and so far ive thought of maybe getting some thin steel or aluminium and making another ring that makes a better seal between the lower ring and the upper cap and is screwed down tight. Almost feel a little cheated though as I kinda hoped it would be a recent model and not have any issues.