Arizer Solo

[mariocaruana]

Sorry to have to ask this and it might be stupid but I did search for the answer before coming here.

So one popular vaporiser manufacturer has listed the spec "heat output" in a comparison between models. The desktops being 100W and the portables being around 30W.

Does anyone know the W or wattage (assuming it stands for that) of the Solo? I sadly have no knowledge of electrical stuff (damn you humanitarians!) so this might just be a dumb question or maybe it's a meaningless spec, I donno.

Thanks.

 

[OF]

So one popular vaporiser manufacturer has listed the spec "heat output" in a comparison between models. The desktops being 100W and the portables being around 30W.

Does anyone know the W or wattage (assuming it stands for that) of the Solo?

30 Watts is pretty much top end of the range, really. Battery life goes down as power goes up. I can only think of maybe 3 in that range.

To your question, Solo is about 16 Watts (2 Amps times 8 Volts) while the heater is on. Which is a bit less than half the time. 10 is probably a good conservative average? Then again, like I said, low power demand was a design goal since it runs on batteries.

OF

 

[mariocaruana]

30 Watts is pretty much top end of the range, really. Battery life goes down as power goes up. I can only think of maybe 3 in that range.

To your question, Solo is about 16 Watts (2 Amps times 8 Volts) while the heater is on. Which is a bit less than half the time. 10 is probably a good conservative average? Then again, like I said, low power demand was a design goal since it runs on batteries.

OF

Thanks for the quick reply

Quite interesting. The "popular vaporiser manufacturer" I was referring to is storz & bickel. I randomly saw saw that the crafty is listed as 27W and the mighty as 30W. I find it interesting that it's listed on their site and stuff, don't see it being mentioned much. Any word on the wattage of the Arizer Air?

Does having a high wattage (? donno if that's how you say it) heater make any difference? I mean surely battery life must take quite a hit. Also, maybe it would be more fair for people reviewing vaporisers to mention the wattage of the heater when talking about battery life and stuff. Or maybe not and I don't know what I'm talking about lol (which I don't really). Enlighten me OF and FC

Also before I sleep and forget, I noticed something "strange" on my solo.

So I let the thing heat up to 7, I let it stay there for a good while, not just seeing it reach 7 and then continuing with the experiment. Then I quickly dropped the temp to 6 and put it back up to 7, whole process took around a second or less.

What I noticed is that it started heating again (or at least the red light blinked 4 times). Interesting, maybe it did actually just cool down. So I tried it again, and the same thing. The red light blinked another 4 times. And then I tried it a few more times, until I got scared I might be over heating the thing. Each time the lights came on.

So, my questions. Does the heater only come on when the light is blinking? Am I somehow tricking the solo to fire up the heater again and again? Anyone else notice this?

 

[OF]

Any word on the wattage of the Arizer Air?

Does having a high wattage (? donno if that's how you say it) heater make any difference? I mean surely battery life must take quite a hit. Also, maybe it would be more fair for people reviewing vaporisers to mention the wattage of the heater when talking about battery life and stuff.

So, my questions. Does the heater only come on when the light is blinking? Am I somehow tricking the solo to fire up the heater again and again? Anyone else notice this?

Air is basically the same power, so having half the battery capacity, it runs half as long.

It's a bit like 'how big a heater to I need for my house'. The bigger the house (think bowl) and the worse the insulation the more heater you need. But the heater power itself is cycled on and off, so a more powerful heater is simply not on as long each cycle. I think people want to know how long a charge lasts, not the details?

The factor you've got in play with the 'heater comes on' mystery is hysteresis. If you set the thermostat on the wall to say 70 degrees and it's 65 in the room, the heater comes on. As the room heats, it shuts off and the room cools. Well and good. But if you're not careful it'll get to 70 spot on and get really confused. Trying to switch on and off very fast.....not good. Enter hysteresis. Here the heater doesn't click off until say 71 degrees and doesn't click on again until say 68, a 3 degree 'dead band'. It could be on or off at 69 depending. This stops 'fast cycling' which is a bad thing to have happen. Solo is like that. It won't turn on until it's a bit under the mark and won't shut off right away. In the thermostat case, this is clearly a temperature difference, computer versions, like Solo, often include a factor called 'reset' measured in seconds as well. Otherwise both compare the actual result (called 'process variable' in the trade) and compare it to the ideal (called 'setpoint') and establish a dead band around the PV. If you pull the cover off the thermostat in your living room you'll usually find a magnet that does this or a mercury filled switch that shifts 'over center' in older systems.

Take the Thermovape T1 and it's replacement, Cera LL. Cera kept about the same load size, but increased the insulation a LOT. As a result the heater was dropped from 30 Watts (a true battery killer with the smaller battery it had) to under 20 Watts with a higher capacity, bigger battery. This gave 4 or 5 times more time per charge taken together.

While I've never seen either of the S&B machines in person, I'm betting they're pretty sloppy with insulation and probably have a larger load? It's all part of the compromises.

OF

 

[exit]

Interestingly enough my old ceramic solo which always had a bit of a high pitch whine has to be attributed to the batteries. Swapped in a @CentiZen vapepower high capacity pack because i'm lazy and once again I have a silent vape! It's never been this quiet for me.

Yes the solo has considerably more draw resistance than the Air which i took for granted recently. The ceramic solos really do have tinier air holes than all the ones after it and is a bit tricky to hit today, but earlier in the day a friend insisted on popping a giant glob of wax in my Air. I couldn't say no, so I gave it a bed of fine ground to soak into. After the Air stopped hitting, threw it in my Solo and got 2 full sessions out of it at 6

Solo will always be by my side, even if the Air is more pleasant to hit, i'm really glad knowing that my favorite Solo can last me all day long now if need be

 

[Ifeejulah Vapor]

Anyone use this bubbler or a similar one with the Solo? Looks great for the price but im scared the solo is too bulky to fit on it?
http://m.dhgate.com/product/d020-x-glass-water-smoking-pipe-with-two/197326794.html#viewpic


edit
I see now that most of those d020 bubblersrequire female attachments, and the gong is a male correct?

Can someone possibly link me to a Gong adapter...cant seem to find one with a google search...found one site but "out of stock"

 

[exit]

You know the air rules but after one solid session at 6 with my solo the density is where it's at. Don't get me wrong the air rocks but it might be a little harder to dethrone my pa solo than I thought initially.

 

[lookhigh]

Air is basically the same power, so having half the battery capacity, it runs half as long.

It's a bit like 'how big a heater to I need for my house'. The bigger the house (think bowl) and the worse the insulation the more heater you need. But the heater power itself is cycled on and off, so a more powerful heater is simply not on as long each cycle. I think people want to know how long a charge lasts, not the details?

The factor you've got in play with the 'heater comes on' mystery is hysteresis. If you set the thermostat on the wall to say 70 degrees and it's 65 in the room, the heater comes on. As the room heats, it shuts off and the room cools. Well and good. But if you're not careful it'll get to 70 spot on and get really confused. Trying to switch on and off very fast.....not good. Enter hysteresis. Here the heater doesn't click off until say 71 degrees and doesn't click on again until say 68, a 3 degree 'dead band'. It could be on or off at 69 depending. This stops 'fast cycling' which is a bad thing to have happen. Solo is like that. It won't turn on until it's a bit under the mark and won't shut off right away. In the thermostat case, this is clearly a temperature difference, computer versions, like Solo, often include a factor called 'reset' measured in seconds as well. Otherwise both compare the actual result (called 'process variable' in the trade) and compare it to the ideal (called 'setpoint') and establish a dead band around the PV. If you pull the cover off the thermostat in your living room you'll usually find a magnet that does this or a mercury filled switch that shifts 'over center' in older systems.

Take the Thermovape T1 and it's replacement, Cera LL. Cera kept about the same load size, but increased the insulation a LOT. As a result the heater was dropped from 30 Watts (a true battery killer with the smaller battery it had) to under 20 Watts with a higher capacity, bigger battery. This gave 4 or 5 times more time per charge taken together.

While I've never seen either of the S&B machines in person, I'm betting they're pretty sloppy with insulation and probably have a larger load? It's all part of the compromises.

OF

Is the red heat light a accurate display for the heater? Or is this not directly connected to the heater. It does seem like it is an exact representation of the heater, overtime i hit the SOLO the heater light flashes and the longer the draw the longer the light flashes.

 

[Justpassedu]

ok next time I will make sure to have it all the way down and I will heat it for a couple of minutes

We have fellow islander. I used dazed and east cost psychedelic and nothing they gave me really connecting the 2 pieces. I love them both and did have a lot adapters but nothing fit quite right. Why is that? Do the rings help?

you prob wont find what you need on long island, I have been to most of the local head shops and they don't really carry vape accessories from what i have seen. I have been to Daze a few times and came out of there pretty unhappy. They have hot headed kids working there who think they are know it all's and that what they sell is the best and anything else out there is junk. I actually had a argument with one of them there bc they dissed the product i had being the Solo, volcano and extreme q and than tried to charge me $45 for a plain glass 18mm to 18mm adapter so i ordered the same exact 1 online for $10 shipped. I recommend sticking with FC to get most of your info and the online head shops. Best of luck to you.

 

[OF]

Don't get me wrong the air rocks but it might be a little harder to dethrone my pa solo than I thought initially.

Personally, I'm with you. Older model Solo fits me best.

Each model has advantages an disadvantages, just like life. Smaller size, less battery, shorter life all go together.

Great to have all the options in the market, gives a guy much better odds of a better fit.

Is the red heat light a accurate display for the heater?

Yes, it's an indication of the temperature actually sensed inside the heater assembly.

OF

 

[fubar]

I just added solo #3 to my collection via Massdrop - a newer model with much less restricted airflow than the current 1.5 and near 2 year old members.
I might be about a year behind everyone but at least I can now confirm what I think was observed a few hundred pages back when the "improved" airflow model first appeared - that it just does not seem to perform very well if you take advantage of the increased air flow capacity. Probably the valiant little heater/battery can't quite keep up when air flow increases so the extraction air temperature drops, breaking one of the great things about the solo IMHO - tight extraction temperature control. For the record, using silicone rings under the caps and inhaling as hard as I can with the same stem, I filled my lungs in about 15 seconds with the new one vs about 40 seconds with the old one - sure, "filled" is subjective but at least twice the airflow I'd guess.
Not meant to be a complaint - with a relaxed slow draw it works as well as the earlier models and the fresh battery is a treat - but it might be a disappointing experience if a user were to draw hard enough.

 

[OF]

Probably the valiant little heater/battery can't quite keep up when air flow increases so the extraction air temperature drops, breaking one of the great things about the solo IMHO - tight extraction temperature control.

with a relaxed slow draw it works as well as the earlier models and the fresh battery is a treat - but it might be a disappointing experience if a user were to draw hard enough.

I agree, you can 'huff and puff' on the less restricted one and pull so much cold air into it to keep up full production. There is a real limit there. Less restriction makes it easier to get there is all.

For us 'sippers' the old scheme is fine, but the anxious amongst us who want more right now and are therefore always fighting against the restriction it's no doubt a Godsend. But with that comes the risk of overrunning the system. Much like PVHESs?

Great to have options.....and I sure wouldn't throw one away and buy the other.

OF

 

[His_Highness]

the "improved" airflow model first appeared - that it just does not seem to perform very well if you take advantage of the increased air flow capacity. Probably the valiant little heater/battery can't quite keep up when air flow increases so the extraction air temperature drops, breaking one of the great things about the solo IMHO - tight extraction temperature control. For the record, using silicone rings under the caps and inhaling as hard as I can with the same stem, I filled my lungs in about 15 seconds with the new one vs about 40 seconds with the old one - sure, "filled" is subjective but at least twice the airflow I'd guess.
Not meant to be a complaint - with a relaxed slow draw it works as well as the earlier models and the fresh battery is a treat - but it might be a disappointing experience if a user were to draw hard enough.

That's what I love about the Solo vs. the MFLB....if I want larger Solo clouds I can manage the process by slowing my draw down without concern for combusting. If I slow down like that with the MFLB I gotta be conscious and precise enough not to slow down or engage the battery too much or it's gonna torch the trench. Don't get me wrong - I love my MFLB but being 'conscious enough' isn't always my strong suit

 

[LongIslandmom]

you prob wont find what you need on long island, I have been to most of the local head shops and they don't really carry vape accessories from what i have seen. I have been to Daze a few times and came out of there pretty unhappy. They have hot headed kids working there who think they are know it all's and that what they sell is the best and anything else out there is junk. I actually had a argument with one of them there bc they dissed the product i had being the Solo, volcano and extreme q and than tried to charge me $45 for a plain glass 18mm to 18mm adapter so i ordered the same exact 1 online for $10 shipped. I recommend sticking with FC to get most of your info and the online head shops. Best of luck to you.

I so agree. They don't have the first clue what is going on. They have a minimal stock and they are convinced that pax is "the best". Wouldn't it be great if someone opened a Vape only store where you could see and try the vapes before you purchased? Like something called TVS - try vape shop. The solo has been great fun but I wish pot was legal everywhere and we had more options than online and China. What do you think? Could we rally a business plan?

 

[ataxian]

You know the air rules but after one solid session at 6 with my solo the density is where it's at. Don't get me wrong the air rocks but it might be a little harder to dethrone my pa solo than I thought initially.

The AIR l will get however I will always use my SOLO!

 

[Pappy]

Did anyone who ordered December Massdrop receive units yet?

 

[Dr. Soxhlet]

Whasssup i rock an Extreme Q and im impressed with arizer as a whole. I want another vape and I want the air but its too expensive right now. Thinkin of grabbingn a solo..can someone who owns both the EQ and Solo tell me some pros/cons/differences between the two...if the solo performs similarly to the EQ ill be pumped..also the EQ is super easy to use! Thanks guys

I own both the EQ and Solo. I have had the EQ for five years and never a problem except occasional clogged fan because of AV debris. Right now the EQ is awaiting heater cover replacement due to leaving it where the cat could knock it over.
The EQ is a dream, it draws so nice and is easy to use if you have to space to set it up. I use my EQ mainly on the deck in the summer or as a backup for the Solo.
I confess, I thought I would never use the Solo this much; but it works so well and is just easier to use than a whip. Portability and all the fun aftermarket stems and bubblers made this my number one vape. I have had Solos(original and new version) for two years, but I would not want to dump my EQ either; too many neat features like the ability to fill bags. I even found that with the addition of a grommet, the straight Solo Stem can be used with the EQ similar to the DDave device.
I was going to buy an additional Solo, but now that the Air is here I will save my money for that instead.

 

[CarolKing]

IMO the Air is a nice addition to the Solo. They each will have their place. I don't know how well the Air would work with the bubbler because it gets hot and needs to cool for 5 min or so. Using a bubbler you use the higher temps, I think it would be hard on the heater. I'm not an engineer but common sense tells me.

I will be using the Solo with my bubbler not the Air.

I've missed you @ataxian? Glad you're here.

 

[Ifeejulah Vapor]

Anyone use this bubbler or a similar one with the Solo? Looks great for the price but im scared the solo is too bulky to fit on it?
http://m.dhgate.com/product/d020-x-glass-water-smoking-pipe-with-two/197326794.html#viewpic


edit
I see now that most of those d020 bubblersrequire female attachments, and the gong is a male correct?

I own both the EQ and Solo. I have had the EQ for five years and never a problem except occasional clogged fan because of AV debris. Right now the EQ is awaiting heater cover replacement due to leaving it where the cat could knock it over.
The EQ is a dream, it draws so nice and is easy to use if you have to space to set it up. I use my EQ mainly on the deck in the summer or as a backup for the Solo.
I confess, I thought I would never use the Solo this much; but it works so well and is just easier to use than a whip. Portability and all the fun aftermarket stems and bubblers made this my number one vape. I have had Solos(original and new version) for two years, but I would not want to dump my EQ either; too many neat features like the ability to fill bags. I even found that with the addition of a grommet, the straight Solo Stem can be used with the EQ similar to the DDave device.
I was going to buy an additional Solo, but now that the Air is here I will save my money for that instead.

thanks for the input man. Im about to buy the solo, really hyped about it. Im also going to buy a nice bubbler and a Gong adapter but im having trouble finding the adapter. Ill never get rid of my EQ either such a great unit to use with people and at home.

having the Air Solo and EQ is going to be an awesome lineup homie!


edit.
Does anyone know is the PlanetVape.ca site is down or is it something wrong on my end?

 

[ctxgooner]

@ExtremeLou
I think pv is down......i was trying to get on earlier today.....if you dont want to wait on pv you can try @edstnt stems or wongs or you can try @VaPeD&CoNfUsEd for a custom gong.....there are other glass blowers over in the glass thread.....

 

[exit]

IMO the Air is a nice addition to the Solo. They each will have their place. I don't know how well the Air would work with the bubbler because it gets hot and needs to cool for 5 min or so.

I feel the same way but the Air on a bubbler at a low temp is GREAT. more vapor production than a solo at low temps IMO.

Also youre not the only one glad to see @ataxian back in action and posting

 

[ataxian]

I feel the same way but the Air on a bubbler at a low temp is GREAT. more vapor production than a solo at low temps IMO.

Also youre not the only one glad to see @ataxian back in action and posting

I use the SOLO a lot! I use a water pipe the most. However a phves stem with a chillum tip is pretty unreal.

Girl scout còokies I always have a bag full.
PARIS OG at night!
NANO before bed.
SOLO all night.
Some hate it however I have the SOLO wired!
Can't smoke joints anymore!
The SOLO is my fŕiend!

I will get a AIR and a Q!

 

[Slow Draw McGraw]

Hey forum,

Been using my solo and noticed a taste that has been lingering after I vape. I want to say its metallic. My last solo didn't taste anything like this one(both 2014)Any clues. Ive done burn offs and such but still prevalent.

 

[OvaDaBong]

So i finally got to try out my solo and after a few hit and misses i must say im very impressed! i was able to use it connected to my medicali beaker bong with a PV gong fitting and i am won over! the battery life is a little low and maybe because i was just trying to get used to it and tinkering with temps but it seemed to have gone through half the battery in 4 sessions, i tried to let it be once i loaded it for a few moments to let it all heat up and was able to get some nice clouds. I was setting it between 4-5 on the light scale and only ramped it up to 7 to see how it went and i couldn't much tell the difference. Tho i must say it blew me sideways and think i am now a convert to the vape forever.

Unlike last time when i tried to vape and wasn't all that impressed this time i haven't been smoking for almost a year now and and have given up the cancer sticks. I cant see me ever burning the herb again and now have a few mates who all think the same, most of whom have given up the smokes and now have started vapeing.

 

[Justpassedu]

I so agree. They don't have the first clue what is going on. They have a minimal stock and they are convinced that pax is "the best". Wouldn't it be great if someone opened a Vape only store where you could see and try the vapes before you purchased? Like something called TVS - try vape shop. The solo has been great fun but I wish pot was legal everywhere and we had more options than online and China. What do you think? Could we rally a business plan?

To bad it's not legal here yet or else that type of vape shop may work. I don't think that type of business would make much money in our area. People are starting to catch on and most only do business online these days. I'm always up for supporting local business when i can but it is just insane when you walk into the shops around here and they try being know it all's and charging us insane prices.