Anvil by Vestratto

[cx714]

In both cases the temperature of the bowl (which surrounds the herb - the edge of the steak per se) is what relates to the clicking,, not the herb directly itself.

My point is that practically it makes no difference. Not to mention if the anvil is convection, the bowl temperature isn't as important as the "edge of the steak" temperature, as it's the "edge of the steak" section of the battery which is heating the incoming air to vaporization temperature.

I'm not surprised if folks are finding the anvil's heating more consistent, but I'd wager that's a result of the copper eliminating the spinning, thus reducing a major variable - not the clicker.

As Stray Fox mentioned, the bowl is suspended in the chamber, which means the main heat it (and the clicker disk) receives is from the surrounding air plus whatever gets conducted across the screw threads. I recall John mentioning something about the threads decreasing conduction but can’t say for sure.

Since the air is what heats your load, theoretically it is more accurate, even if some torch heat does get conducted to the clicker. I’ll let you know when mine clears Customs.

 

[QueefMonkey]

Here is a function vid for those who are curious! lightly packed full bowl, complete single hit roast! Med temp.

https://imgur.com/a/fK5GMp4

 

[Falconflys]

It almost looks like it wasnt machined properly, is one side of the valve different? one part looks grinded almost

check to see if the taper begins where the etched line is, you should start to see the unit taper right from there..it almost looks like the taper starts after.


Ya that doesnt sound right, the unit has more airflow than the DV so im not sure..it looks like your missing an oring on the condesor

this is nothing like dynavap airflow

 

[fangorn]

@Vestratto

Hey John!

I just wanted to express that I am very sensitive to the fact that the profits from tomorrow's sale will be donated to an association with the aim of supporting, at your level, the Ukrainian population...

you're just getting started, so I guess it's not that easy for you... but you do...

I also like that you insert a few lines about the situation in your Sunday posts!

I imagine that humanist commitment is not one of the basic principles of business... so thank you for that!

(stupid of me, but it makes me want to get one tomorrow, more than one yesterday or the day before yesterday...maybe it just makes me feel guilty about my purchase, but I like knowing that "That makes a little more sense."
I don't necessarily like the colors of blue or yellow heat shields but it would remind me of a reality... behind my vapor clouds)

so...
thanks and
long live Vestratto!

 

[Falconflys]

@Vestratto

Hey John!

I just wanted to express that I am very sensitive to the fact that the profits from tomorrow's sale will be donated to an association with the aim of supporting, at your level, the Ukrainian population...

you're just getting started, so I guess it's not that easy for you... but you do...

I also like that you insert a few lines about the situation in your Sunday posts!

I imagine that humanist commitment is not one of the basic principles of business... so thank you for that!

(stupid of me, but it makes me want to get one tomorrow, more than one yesterday or the day before yesterday...maybe it just makes me feel guilty about my purchase, but I like knowing that "That makes a little more sense."
I don't necessarily like the colors of blue or yellow heat shields but it would remind me of a reality... behind my vapor clouds)

so...
thanks and

@Vestratto

Hey John!

I just wanted to express that I am very sensitive to the fact that the profits from tomorrow's sale will be donated to an association with the aim of supporting, at your level, the Ukrainian population...

you're just getting started, so I guess it's not that easy for you... but you do...

I also like that you insert a few lines about the situation in your Sunday posts!

I imagine that humanist commitment is not one of the basic principles of business... so thank you for that!

(stupid of me, but it makes me want to get one tomorrow, more than one yesterday or the day before yesterday...maybe it just makes me feel guilty about my purchase, but I like knowing that "That makes a little more sense."
I don't necessarily like the colors of blue or yellow heat shields but it would remind me of a reality... behind my vapor clouds)

so...
thanks and
long live Vestratto!

Is it the profits or 100% of the proceeds?

 

[Texus]

this is nothing like dynavap airflow

My Founders edition also had pretty restricted airflow. Which is what makes John's User Edition strategy so great. Much more airflow is possible in the User Edition. And a cooler hit. User Edition also plays better with water IME

For me, Founders works best dry with a j-hook like the Inception or the Herborizer Sherlock. And took me a while to figure out the airflow adjustments on the Founders. Thank goodness for the line!

Is it the profits or 100% of the proceeds?

Sunday newsletter said proceeds. Good on @Vestratto

 

[endof3d]

The helix chamber, unreleased, is interesting because it is designed to touch the oven walls a bit and therefore add more conduction.

John wrote: "The Helix chamber adds more conduction into the mix so the higher portion in the helix design makes contact with the oven, its very easy to ride the line with the helix so be careful when trying to do so. In the end the helix chamber is just a way to add more conduction into the mix to help get a more full extraction and for those who prefer some more conduction."

Luv'n the options John has in store for us!

Photo is of an older rendition.

 

[Whiff]

air

https://imgur.com/a/Xkno9s5

I spoke with John and he said to send him an email and he will try to figure something out for you!

 

[Vestratto]

The ent who I got it from said he emailed vestratto about it and vestratto said that unit had the new valve. If that's so, I don't even see how the other would be usable at all considering the restriction on this one. And this is supposedly better( meaning the one I have).

It looks like you purchased a perfectly good used December Revision of the Founders Unit. You probably do want to get some new o-rings etc. Provided you were sent the upgraded airflow valve your reseller received as one of our first 25 customers, you have a good operational kit. The airflow is a lot tighter on the Founders Edition than some folks liked but it is not defective. As one of the many things we did with the Users Edition we gave the Anvil a lot more top end airflow. We did not backwards propagate these changes as the Founders edition was obsoleted when it was upgraded free of charge.

All that said we all want to be happy here at Vestratto. And I bet there are going to be more folks in your situation as time goes on. So
I am going to change my mind 180 degrees and design a new airflow valve and condenser backwards retrofittable for the FOUNDERS Edition. This new valve will have the same airflow potential as the Users Edition at the high end but will not fully close at the low end. I am going to charge $49 for the Founders valve and condenser retrofit kit. They will show up on the store next week. I am going to make a limited number of sets. You can also purchase slotted bowls that have better airflow already but your 8 hole bowls are still awesome.

In the meantime to have access to more airflow you can try a workaround some of our customers showed me. Screw the airflow valve fully into the stem. Then slide on the CopperCore oven but not all the way. Leave about a 16th of an inch gap between the top of the oven and the body of the stem. This will increase your airflow substantially. Ensure you have enough purchase so the oven is on there solid. Use your judgement. If you don't feel its safe don't do it.

 

[ellis d. tripp]

@Falconflys on my founders the condenser tube when fully pushed into the oven pokes out passed the mouth piece just barely. By pushing it flush with the mouth piece it opens up more airflow. If your condenser does this give it a try. Peace.

 

[Falconflys]

It looks like you purchased a perfectly good used December Revision of the Founders Unit. You probably do want to get some new o-rings etc. Provided you were sent the upgraded airflow valve your reseller received as one of our first 25 customers, you have a good operational kit. The airflow is a lot tighter on the Founders Edition than some folks liked but it is not defective. As one of the many things we did with the Users Edition we gave the Anvil a lot more top end airflow. We did not backwards propagate these changes as the Founders edition was obsoleted when it was upgraded free of charge.

All that said we all want to be happy here at Vestratto. And I bet there are going to be more folks in your situation as time goes on. So
I am going to change my mind 180 degrees and design a new airflow valve and condenser backwards retrofittable for the FOUNDERS Edition. This new valve will have the same airflow potential as the Users Edition at the high end but will not fully close at the low end. I am going to charge $49 for the Founders valve and condenser retrofit kit. They will show up on the store next week. I am going to make a limited number of sets. You can also purchase slotted bowls that have better airflow already but your 8 hole bowls are still awesome.

In the meantime to have access to more airflow you can try a workaround some of our customers showed me. Screw the airflow valve fully into the stem. Then slide on the CopperCore oven but not all the way. Leave about a 16th of an inch gap between the top of the oven and the body of the stem. This will increase your airflow substantially. Ensure you have enough purchase so the oven is on there solid. Use your judgement. If you don't feel its safe don't do it.

As one of the first 25 the seller said he never received an upgraded valve.

 

[vaporculture]

As one of the first 25 the seller said he never received an upgraded valve.

FYI -- Your valve looks identical to mine -- from one side of the rotation the taper is clearly visible. Rotate the valve 90 degrees and the taper looks basically nonexistent, the wall appears to be straight. From the top end view, one side of the valve is noticeably thicker than the other side.

I was in the end of the first 50 units. I also reported the lack of good airflow to John, but it must not have been as bad as those that were in the first 25... mine was not replaced either. That said, John's solution for all of these problems (the tube, the tapered valve, the machining marks, the bubbles in the copper, etc) was to replace every Founders' edition with a brand new, redesigned Anvil and Tube that arrived with none of the former issues and whose function is clearly superior.

I think your situation is one that should get more public notice -- those folks that try and buy Founders' editions on the exchanges are likely to find out that there are issues with your unit that make it less than ideal for general use. So if I were you, I would do whatever you can to steer folks like yourself to the User's edition instead. Write this one down as a mistake, or pay for the replacement valve/condenser that John is going to make available.

The story is "Founders' edition release was problematic and should be avoided on the aftermarket. Buy the User's edition and skip the headaches."

Hope you get a chance to try the User's edition as I think your unhappiness will quickly fade.

 

[Falconflys]

FYI -- Your valve looks identical to mine -- from one side of the rotation the taper is clearly visible. Rotate the valve 90 degrees and the taper looks basically nonexistent, the wall appears to be straight. From the top end view, one side of the valve is noticeably thicker than the other side.

I was in the end of the first 50 units. I also reported the lack of good airflow to John, but it must not have been as bad as those that were in the first 25... mine was not replaced either. That said, John's solution for all of these problems (the tube, the tapered valve, the machining marks, the bubbles in the copper, etc) was to replace every Founders' edition with a brand new, redesigned Anvil and Tube that arrived with none of the former issues and whose function is clearly superior.

I think your situation is one that should get more public notice -- those folks that try and buy Founders' editions on the exchanges are likely to find out that there are issues with your unit that make it less than ideal for general use. So if I were you, I would do whatever you can to steer folks like yourself to the User's edition instead. Write this one down as a mistake, or pay for the replacement valve/condenser that John is going to make available.

The story is "Founders' edition release was problematic and should be avoided on the aftermarket. Buy the User's edition and skip the headaches."

Hope you get a chance to try the User's edition as I think your unhappiness will quickly fade.

You see just what I am with the valve, the taper and wall thickness. I knew the Founders wouldn't be as good as the Users but thought it was a good place to start for the price point. Should have waited for the users to become available to me.
Figured I would try this, buy the users and pay this deal forward. But as this is now I wouldn't want to sell this to anyone. I took one for the team!
Now to decide on buying the users and valve/condenser, or just the users and call it a loss. Wonder if it's a tax write off!

 

[Texus]

You see just what I am with the valve, the taper and wall thickness. I knew the Founders wouldn't be as good as the Users but thought it was a good place to start for the price point. Should have waited for the users to become available to me.
Figured I would try this, buy the users and pay this deal forward. But as this is now I wouldn't want to sell this to anyone. I took one for the team!
Now to decide on buying the users and valve/condenser, or just the users and call it a loss. Wonder if it's a tax write off!

Well thanks for being upfront about that.

Would be a shame for John to go out of this way to design and spend on a solution for an out of date model for a vocal second-hand buyer who may not even be bothered to buy that solution.

@Vestratto would it maybe be a better idea to gauge actual interest or start with a pre-order to see if it worth time, cost and effort?

 

[Falconflys]

Well thanks for being upfront about that.

Would be a shame for John to go out of this way to design and spend on a solution for an out of date model for a vocal second-hand buyer who may not even be bothered to buy that solution.

@Vestratto would it maybe be a better idea to gauge actual interest or start with a pre-order to see if it worth time, cost and effort?

I'm pretty sure I'll purchase the new/upgrade parts. I hate to see a device go to waste if there's a solution(a good one) So I'll wait and maybe get it bundled with a users order to avoid the double shipping cost.

 

[Easywider]

Really enjoyed my first evening with the Anvil, I can't remember the last time I actually saw my eyes turn pink and glossy from just herb.

Technique question for you Anvil Heads.

If "Low & Slow" is the best way to charge the thermal battery. What is considered "Slow"? I'm in the 30-35 second range for my heat-ups and some hits I'm left wishing the heat retention would last about 20% longer. Doesn't seem worth a cool-down cycle and another 35seconds of torching just for a little clean-up hit. Would a slower heat up achieve more thermal storage?

 

[chimpybits]

Really enjoyed my first evening with the Anvil, I can't remember the last time I actually saw my eyes turn pink and glossy from just herb.

Technique question for you Anvil Heads.

If "Low & Slow" is the best way to charge the thermal battery. What is considered "Slow"? I'm in the 30-35 second range for my heat-ups and some hits I'm left wishing the heat retention would last about 20% longer. Doesn't seem worth a cool-down cycle and another 35seconds of torching just for a little clean-up hit. Would a slower heat up achieve more thermal storage?

45 seconds is what's been recommended.

 

[endof3d]

Technique question for you Anvil Heads.

If "Low & Slow" is the best way to charge the thermal battery. What is considered "Slow"? I'm in the 30-35 second range for my heat-ups and some hits I'm left wishing the heat retention would last about 20% longer. Doesn't seem worth a cool-down cycle and another 35seconds of torching just for a little clean-up hit. Would a slower heat up achieve more thermal storage?

Here's what John posted in the forum.

"As stated before optimum heating time is about 35 - 38 seconds when the torch is pointed at the groove between the oven proper and the CopperBlock thermal reservoir. Adjust flame intensity and distance to be 30 seconds heating the oven wall, 45 seconds heating the thermal battery. I use a simple Honest dual flame torch - I set the inner bright blue flame section to approximately 5/8 inches long and set the tip of that bright blue section on the region of the oven I want to heat - oven wall - light roast ..... CopperBlock thermal reservoir to ride the line with a very dark roast."

 

[Sour Dream]

Ayee i got one of the kits, I was way too thirsty I didn't even see what was in the kit lol

https://imgur.com/0kDQvey

 

[BubbleDrop]

Ayee i got one of the kits, I was way too thirsty I didn't even see what was in the kit lol

I went for the purchase and after entering payment details it said "Sold Out" unfortunately.
I guess it was you !

 

[3xFantasyChamp]

Ayee i got one of the kits, I was way too thirsty I didn't even see what was in the kit lol

https://imgur.com/0kDQvey

Nice! I actually like the yellow heat shield. But yeah, I refreshed like one time and it was already sold out lol. Have fun!

 

[Sour Dream]

I went for the purchase and after entering payment details it said "Sold Out" unfortunately.
I guess it was you !

Nice! I actually like the yellow heat shield. But yeah, I refreshed like one time and it was already sold out lol. Have fun!

Yea I was entirely too ready for this lol, got in my bag since I really wanted that gold and I’m sure I’m at the end of the waitlist

 

[Whiff]

Here's what John posted in the forum.

"As stated before optimum heating time is about 35 - 38 seconds when the torch is pointed at the groove between the oven proper and the CopperBlock thermal reservoir. Adjust flame intensity and distance to be 30 seconds heating the oven wall, 45 seconds heating the thermal battery. I use a simple Honest dual flame torch - I set the inner bright blue flame section to approximately 5/8 inches long and set the tip of that bright blue section on the region of the oven I want to heat - oven wall - light roast ..... CopperBlock thermal reservoir to ride the line with a very dark roast."

30-35 sec heat up click on the thermal battery should give you a pretty much finished chamber, you can probably try to go down to a 25 sec click but that may be close or combust. I really enjoy a 45 sec heat up on the battery, i find it to have great flav with alot of vapour production

Here are some general heat up times but do note that the faster you make the Anvil click the closer to riding the line you will come. Heating the battery quickly acts like a turbocharger spooling up, it will spread and store all that built up heat in the oven and battery and release it when you inhale..heating the battery in 30-35 sec will produce a darker roast than the 45 sec heat up

If you have a smaller lower powered pocket torch that CANT get the thermal battery to click in 30-35 sec (ie. Honest single flame, Jabon single flame ) i recommend these heating times (note: you will not be able to RTL)
Dark roast/Thermal battery = 45-50 sec (great vapour production with great flav) My Fav
Med roast/Center oven = 35-40 sec (good vapour production with great flav)
light roast/Top ring = 25-30 sec (less vapor production with amazing flav)

If you CAN get the thermal battery to click in 30-35 sec (ie. Blazer firefox ) i would recommend these heating times
Ride the line (RTL)/Thermal battery = 30-35 sec (great vapor production with minimal flav)
Medium roast/Center oven = 20-25 sec (Great vapor production with great flav) My Fav
light roast/Top ring = 10-20 sec (Good vapour production with amazing flav)



Edit: i just tried a 30 sec click and its a very nice dark brown so you may be able to go down to a 25 sec click maybe 25-30 sec to RTL but a 30 sec click extracts everything. Super dark brown AVB and still had a bit of flavor, any darker would ruin all the flavour but if you dont care for terps then i would heat for 25 sec

 

[endof3d]

30-35 sec heat up click on the thermal battery should give you a pretty much finished chamber, you can probably try to go down to a 25 sec click but that may be close or combust. I really enjoy a 45 sec heat up on the battery, i find it to have great flav with alot of vapour production

Here are some general heat up times but do note that the faster you make the Anvil click the closer to riding the line you will come. Heating the battery quickly acts like a turbocharger spooling up, it will spread and store all that built up heat in the oven and battery and release it when you inhale..heating the battery in 30-35 sec will produce a darker roast than the 45 sec heat up

If you have a smaller lower powered pocket torch that CANT get the thermal battery to click in 30-35 sec (ie. Honest single flame, Jabon single flame ) i recommend these heating times (note: you will not be able to RTL)
Dark roast/Thermal battery = 45-50 sec (great vapour production with great flav) My Fav
Med roast/Center oven = 35-40 sec (good vapour production with great flav)
light roast/Top ring = 25-30 sec (less vapor production with amazing flav)

If you CAN get the thermal battery to click in 30-35 sec (ie. Blazer firefox ) i would recommend these heating times
Ride the line (RTL)/Thermal battery = 30-35 sec (great vapor production with minimal flav)
Medium roast/Center oven = 20-25 sec (Great vapor production with great flav) My Fav
light roast/Top ring = 10-20 sec (Good vapour production with amazing flav)

Thanks for the very detailed tutorial! Don't have mine yet, but this will definitely reduce the learning curve for me.

Question: What factors do grind and packing play in the torch time or quality/thickness of vapor extracted? Are all the above times with a light pack? Thanks.

 

[Vapor-catzG]

Put my founders chambers and copper core into my users and vice versa ,now
my users weighs 0.70 g more and feels better ,also now have better air flow in founders due to upgrades bowls,
going to change condenser,but founders is a fraction short which is the problem iam trying to fix with users condenser,too short,
tried simmrell stinger fits but doesn’t have the top screen attached,
could try the thick screen we used to use years ago with Firefly 1 ,
although be good ‘better if John could make a full length one for the users or attach the dynavap screen and top to a stinger,
it’s what happens to the vaperpath after the short condenser? Goes around a twist vortex type and out ,can taist slightly different ,
anyone know what’s the stems made of ? It’ what the Vapor’s in contact with?is my concern ? not SS or this vortex screen,? probably ok but we all go on about sealed safe air paths, plus you get a taist sometimes from mouthpiece? SS or titanium medical grade is taistless,it must be aluminium? What type grade ,? Wouldnt mind know what iam inhaling,
Does anyone know if this is or isn’t ,gives more airflow but is it safe,
anyone get Sunday post this week ,?
G