Anvil by Vestratto

[The Stray Fox]

What does it mean by "clicker measures bowl temperature, not cap temp"? Because what you're describing above it sounds like it functions essentially the same, with adjusting technique depending on the torch/heating location.

Forgive me if this has already been asked, but what are people preferring for torches? Single? Double? Bigger dabbing style torches?

I’ve been wondering about the same thing - I mean technically if the cap actually clicked at a specific set point, there wouldn’t really be any temperature adjustment by heating in different spots on the chamber.

Instead it seems a lot like the Dyna where you can even combust internally before the click registers.

I’m not sure if I am capable of describing this exactly. The bowl, when it screws in to the oven, is suspended in there. The bowls walls do not touch the oven. Only the the treads are touching the oven. The heat from the oven slowly creeps up the oven wall and begins transferring heat to the tip of the anvil where the clicker is and also where the bowl begins to soak heat. When the bowl reaches the temp it clicks.

It’s all about how much heat is built up in the oven.

The helix chamber, unreleased, is interesting because it is designed to touch the oven walls a bit and therefore add more conduction.

 

[Farid]

I understand that, but the nature of the clicking mechanism is the same: different flames and different heating locations will result in a range of results. This is exactly the same as with the cap. I don't see how one is a more accurate measure of the bowl temperature than the other is all I'm saying.

Not saying it's a bad thing, I think giving the users some control allows people to tailor their heating to give their desired results. But practically, there's little difference wrt what the clicking is actually measuring.

 

[The Stray Fox]

I understand that, but the nature of the clicking mechanism is the same: different flames and different heating locations will result in a range of results. This is exactly the same as with the cap. I don't see how one is a more accurate measure of the bowl temperature than the other is all I'm saying.

Not saying it's a bad thing, I think giving the users some control allows people to tailor their heating to give their desired results. But practically, there's little difference wrt what the clicking is actually measuring.

I wouldn’t say the Anvil is more accurate at heating. I would say it is more consistent. The Anvil has been more consistent between different bowls and heat disks. Every DynaVap Cap I have acts a little different, even when heated the same as the last.

 

[DennisFlonasal]

I wouldn’t say the Anvil is more accurate at heating. I would say it is more consistent. The Anvil has been more consistent between different bowls and heat disks. Every DynaVap Cap I have acts a little different, even when heated the same as the last.

this is one of the main draws to the Anvil to me, mindless repeatable big hits, have to be perfect with your technique to get the same hit with a dynavap repeatedly

 

[Falconflys]

So I purchased a founders edition of the exchange and am having issues. It doesn't

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hardly have any airflow. I've tried different pacs and nothing helps. I'm adding a pic of the parts to show exactly what I have. I really want to like the anvil and am waiting for my name to come up on the list to purchase the users. But right now this one is terrible. Any help would be great. How bout it whiff, what to do? You know them best.... well, next to John.

https://imgur.com/a/l7hJ1sG

 

[seki]

https://imgur.com/a/l7hJ1sG

Not 100% sure, but based on the pics, yours looks like it might have the same valve as my Founders Edition does. It took a bit of extra force, but I found I needed to screw the valve all the way down and the copper core section had to be "fully open" which requires it to be pushed all the way down so it's in contact with the section that has the heat shield. I posted some pics of mine earlier in the thread. For it to work best, I found the valve should be in a position similar to the first pic:

Thank you for the video, it was helpful in understanding how the airflow on the device works. Initially, as there were no instructions with respect to assembly/disassembly, I took it apart after receiving it to give all of the components an ISO soak. When inserting the airflow valve post, I just assumed I should go as far as the threading would allow, so to start, I had it in all the way:

After watching the video, I noticed that it was recommended to screw the post into body up until the 2nd set of o-rings:

No knock on the lack of documentation, I understand other issues are more pressing during a product launch, I just wanted to illustrate what my experience and thought process with assembly was.

Just to give some feedback, I assume mine is one of the models with the airflow issue because when configured like in the second pic, even with the valve pushed all the way down and airflow completely opened up, I found it almost unusable as the amount of draw resistance began to give me a headache from having to pull so hard.

Similarly, in the first pic, I'm finding the wide open setting the most comfortable for me to use. I'm not sure if the amount of adjustment is meant to be subtle, but I usability for me quickly tapers off with what I would consider "minor" adjustment.

Similarly, I'm discovering that my Blazer might be faulty and it should probably be pointed out to any potential customers that a minimum flame length or even a recommended torch might be helpful. I used the PB207 I had for the first half dozen or so sessions I had before switching over to a cheaper honest torch that produced a larger flame. I saw a better than 25% reduction in heat up time:

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/rtyfog

There's an o-ring and the seal is friction fit in a 14mm joint using that. I don't have a 10mm piece to check the mouthpiece section. @Vestratto, do you have any guidance with respect to the safety of soaking these in ISO? Also, will replacements eventually be made available for purchase? As a suggestion, perhaps a native 14mm fit on the heat shield portion without the o-ring, and a native 10mm fit on the mouthpiece (if it isn't already) for future revisions?

Edit: Another thought, assuming that future revisions will still be making the heat shield removable, an 18mm, 14mm and 10mm heat shield that you could change out to use with different glass pieces would also be useful.

 

[Falconflys]

Not 100% sure, but based on the pics, yours looks like it might have the same valve as my Founders Edition does. It took a bit of extra force, but I found I needed to screw the valve all the way down and the copper core section had to be "fully open" which requires it to be pushed all the way down so it's in contact with the section that has the heat shield. I posted some pics of mine earlier in the thread. For it to work best, I found the valve should be in a position similar to the first pic:

I've seen the video also. It's turned all the way in but still feels like I'm sucking on a thick shake. If I pack a bowl even a slight tight there is hardly any airflow. IDK, maybe just the design of the founders. Got me rethinking the users.

 

[MrBaked.co]

Thanks Whiff. yeah man, I've been checking all my folders since the drops have been happening recently. I believe I hopped on the train late, is all. I'm probably behind so many people on the list lol. Hoping to at least get my crack at one before 4/20.

I received my email yesterday and I was added to the list on the 12th of Feb. There was less than 1 week between the emails sent to people who were on the 10th of Jan ti me on the 12th of Feb so depending on when you got added it may not be that long to wait

 

[Kamdssc]

I've seen the video also. It's turned all the way in but still feels like I'm sucking on a thick shake. If I pack a bowl even a slight tight there is hardly any airflow. IDK, maybe just the design of the founders. Got me rethinking the users.

Did you watch John’s video? I found it very helpful. I do find however that the Founder’s airflow can be a little tricky but I can get mine open enough to not feel that restrictive.

 

[rollerskater]

I know this has been asked already but I don't remember the answer. Is there a way to verify if we are on the waitlist or not? I've definitely been signed up for Vestratto mailings since January. Did the merging of the mailing list and the wait list ever happen?

 

[Sour Dream]

I know this has been asked already but I don't remember the answer. Is there a way to verify if we are on the waitlist or not? I've definitely been signed up for Vestratto mailings since January. Did the merging of the mailing list and the wait list ever happen?

I emailed him to check since I wasn’t sure if I had signed up for the correct email(still not sure). He said I was on the waitlist and I asked for my position on the list, but you just gotta wait and see to figure out your position It seems . I had signed up on feb 6th originally.

Not sure if he did merge the lists or not tho, I assumed he did. Just gonna wait and see

 

[Whiff]

I've seen the video also. It's turned all the way in but still feels like I'm sucking on a thick shake. If I pack a bowl even a slight tight there is hardly any airflow. IDK, maybe just the design of the founders. Got me rethinking the users.

When the founders edition 1st went out there was a small batch at the beggining of production that had bad air valves which caused airflow restriction, those users were sent a new air valve...sounds like you may have been given the bad airflow valve with your purchase

 

[Easywider]

Mine just arrived! Took it for a test run, Mrs. Easy has the day off today so I had a very willing test subject.

First impressions are all smiles, can't wait to learn the technique!

Tested 2 bowls, First one was 2 cycles of wide-open airflow and heated in the middle of the chamber with a kitchen torch at the lowest setting.
The second chamber was an RTL cycle, airflow 50% heated with a triple-flame torch. The first bowl was wispy vapor the second was a glass of coconut milk.

https://imgur.com/SGFnGit

https://imgur.com/lbS6PT3

 

[Falconflys]

When the founders edition 1st went out there was a small batch at the beggining of production that had bad air valves which caused airflow restriction, those users were sent a new air valve...sounds like you may have been given the bad airflow valve with your purchase

Think there's a way for me to get a different valve?

 

[cx714]

I don't see how one is a more accurate measure of the bowl temperature than the other is all I'm saying.

But practically, there's little difference wrt what the clicking is actually measuring.

When you cook a thick steak, do you stick the thermometer into the center of the steak or leave it right at the edge?

 

[Ralph]

Mine just arrived! Took it for a test run, Mrs. Easy has the day off today so I had a very willing test subject.

First impressions are all smiles, can't wait to learn the technique!

Tested 2 bowls, First one was 2 cycles of wide-open airflow and heated in the middle of the chamber with a kitchen torch at the lowest setting.
The second chamber was an RTL cycle, airflow 50% heated with a triple-flame torch. The first bowl was wispy vapor the second was a glass of coconut milk.

https://imgur.com/SGFnGit

https://imgur.com/lbS6PT3

Did you combust in the first or top picture of ABV? Looks a little dark. Try holding the torch about an .5 centimeter away from the chamber

 

[3xFantasyChamp]

I received my email yesterday and I was added to the list on the 12th of Feb. There was less than 1 week between the emails sent to people who were on the 10th of Jan ti me on the 12th of Feb so depending on when you got added it may not be that long to wait

Nice! Thank you for this. I signed up on the 23rd of Feb.

 

[Easywider]

Did you combust in the first or top picture of ABV? Looks a little dark. Try holding the torch about an .5 centimeter away from the chamber

No combustion, I had to help clear that RTL hit because it dropped the Mrs. to her knees and it still tasted half fresh ( zero popcorn ) I honestly thought it was going to be undercooked when I removed the oven. But nope, super-duper dark. I think the 3 flame is a bit too powerful or too sloppy. The flame was about a 1/2inch from the end of the blue tip of the flame. Give or take. Much more testing is needed, Muhahahahaha

 

[Whiff]

Think there's a way for me to get a different valve?

You are going to have to hit up whoever you bought it from, there are no extra parts available at the moment from Vestratto. Ask who you bought it from to check the valves they have to see if they sent you the wrong valve, hard to tell in the pic but it looks like the valve doesnt have enough of a taper on it.

Edit: @Falconflys could you send a pic of the unit together i would like to see if its put together properly. Try and make sure that the oven is completely pushed all the way down and making contact with the chuck of stainless that the valve screws into, if it isnt seated properly the plunger/condenser will bottom out on the oven which will reduce the airflow also...hopefully this is the issue you are having

here is a video on how to disassemble, reassemble and adjust the airflow. Your condenser will be different but the video still applies, hope it helps!

 

[beyond6strings]

I was very happy to receive my Anvil email from @Vestratto yesterday. And I didn’t delay; snagged a carbon Anvil and all the accessories except for an extra heat shield.

There was a bit of kerfuffle at checkout as my bank card puked over an international transaction (happened with the TM too), but after I reached out to the bank it went through fine.

All in all I’ve found the Anvil buying experience was more than satisfactory. Especially considering they’re not up to scale yet.

I’m an old man and remember when businesses didn’t launch products until they’d reached manufacturing scale. We do things differently now, and products are released in batches. This is especially true in the vaporizer market.

Because of this I haven’t been waiting with baited breath, or clenched fists. I have other great vaporizers. So it’s been easy to be chill.

I do hope I’m lucky enough to get this before a good friend and I get together for the first time in years to play a couple of concerts.

But if it doesn’t make it in time I’ll be okay too.

I’ll wait to get excited when I see out for delivery on my Shop account.

Cheers fuckers.

 

[Farid]

When you cook a thick steak, do you stick the thermometer into the center of the steak or leave it right at the edge?

In both cases the temperature of the bowl (which surrounds the herb - the edge of the steak per se) is what relates to the clicking,, not the herb directly itself.

My point is that practically it makes no difference. Not to mention if the anvil is convection, the bowl temperature isn't as important as the "edge of the steak" temperature, as it's the "edge of the steak" section of the battery which is heating the incoming air to vaporization temperature.

I'm not surprised if folks are finding the anvil's heating more consistent, but I'd wager that's a result of the copper eliminating the spinning, thus reducing a major variable - not the clicker.

 

[Whiff]

In both cases the temperature of the bowl (which surrounds the herb - the edge of the steak per se) is what relates to the clicking,, not the herb directly itself.

My point is that practically it makes no difference. Not to mention if the anvil is convection, the bowl temperature isn't as important as the "edge of the steak" temperature, as it's the "edge of the steak" section of the battery which is heating the incoming air to vaporization temperature.

I'm not surprised if folks are finding the anvil's heating more consistent, but I'd wager that's a result of the copper eliminating the spinning, thus reducing a major variable - not the clicker.

When using the Anvil and heating it low and slow it slowly brings the herb to vaporizing temps, almost like a mini decarb before extraction which makes for a very pleasurable experience. You can over ride that experience by using more torch power and taking advantage of the copper and thermal lag giving you more of a "cold start" experience.

But yes when using the anvil as intended it definitely brings the herb to temp before extraction, when heating properly the herb has enough time to get up to temp before the chamber clicks, the oven and chambers were engineered much different than those other caps therefore it works totally different.

 

[Falconflys]

You are going to have to hit up whoever you bought it from, there are no extra parts available at the moment from Vestratto. Ask who you bought it from to check the valves they have to see if they sent you the wrong valve, hard to tell in the pic but it looks like the valve doesnt have enough of a taper on it.

Edit: @Falconflys could you send a pic of the unit together i would like to see if its put together properly. Try and make sure that the oven is completely pushed all the way down and making contact with the chuck of stainless that the valve screws into, if it isnt seated properly the plunger/condenser will bottom out on the oven which will reduce the airflow also...hopefully this is the issue you are having

here is a video on how to disassemble, reassemble and adjust the airflow. Your condenser will be different but the video still applies, hope it helps!

https://imgur.com/a/waa17gY

The ent who I got it from said he emailed vestratto about it and vestratto said that unit had the new valve. If that's so, I don't even see how the other would be usable at all considering the restriction on this one. And this is supposedly better( meaning the one I have).

 

[Whiff]

https://imgur.com/a/waa17gY

It almost looks like it wasnt machined properly, is one side of the valve different? one part looks grinded almost

check to see if the taper begins where the etched line is, you should start to see the unit taper right from there..it almost looks like the taper starts after.

The ent who I got it from said he emailed vestratto about it and vestratto said that unit had the new valve. If that's so, I don't even see how the other would be usable at all considering the restriction on this one. And this is supposedly better( meaning the one I have).

Ya that doesnt sound right, the unit has more airflow than the DV so im not sure..it looks like your missing an oring on the condesor too.

 

[Falconflys]

It almost looks like it wasnt machined properly, is one side of the valve different? one part looks grinded almost

check to see if the taper begins where the etched line is, you should start to see the unit taper right from there..it almost looks like the taper starts after.


Ya that doesnt sound right, the unit has more airflow than the DV so im not sure..it looks like your missing an oring on the condesor too.

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https://imgur.com/a/Xkno9s5