Anvil by Vestratto

[Bakin4Life]

After cleaning my USA condenser yesterday (which I've found specifically is the cleanliness 'choke point' in the device, and needs the most attention), I found out that Vestratto sells screens on their website. Which look suspiciously like Dynavap screens, IMO.

AFAIK, my USA kit did *not* come with screens, and after looking at the 'exploded' illustrations on Vestratto's site, I don't see screens referenced there, either.

Does the 'full' Anvil come with screens, and if so... where do they attach? I don't see where they'd go in the oven / engine. I have an XL thermocore, btw.

Guessing the screens they show are more 'belt & suspenders', rather than being actually 'needed'. I'd rather not deal with them, if they're not needed. I'd be happy to disassemble the condenser tip to clean the screen more thoroughly, but I see no way to do that.


I love that the vents in the condenser are small (no scoobies w/ coarse grind)... but the small slits do clog up, especially if you RTL, as I do.
Also, because of this, I've stopped lightly dusting my bowls with concentrate (crushed dry diamonds), and have confined their use to the ball vapes.

 

[Momor]

After cleaning my USA condenser yesterday (which I've found specifically is the cleanliness 'choke point' in the device, and needs the most attention), I found out that Vestratto sells screens on their website. Which look suspiciously like Dynavap screens, IMO.

AFAIK, my USA kit did *not* come with screens, and after looking at the 'exploded' illustrations on Vestratto's site, I don't see screens referenced there, either.

Does the 'full' Anvil come with screens, and if so... where do they attach? I don't see where they'd go in the oven / engine. I have an XL thermocore, btw.

Guessing the screens they show are more 'belt & suspenders', rather than being actually 'needed'. I'd rather not deal with them, if they're not needed. I'd be happy to disassemble the condenser tip to clean the screen more thoroughly, but I see no way to do that.


I love that the vents in the condenser are small (no scoobies w/ coarse grind)... but the small slits do clog up, especially if you RTL, as I do.
Also, because of this, I've stopped lightly dusting my bowls with concentrate (crushed dry diamonds), and have confined their use to the ball vapes.

Screens are needed in the condenser (and there is also a screen in the regular and half bowl). If you don't have a screen there is nothing to stop the herb to be sucked in the condenser.
You can take that condenser screen simply by pushing it from the other side of the condenser (narrow part).
They really look like the DV ones except there is a little slit in the middle because Vestratto was supposed to make a little tool to take them out but they never did (understandable as it's not necessary at all).

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

Not only do they look the same but they are the same dimension wise. I actually prefer running an SS DV screen in my condenser to the Vestratto ones. They’re less likely to bend and warp and also easier to acquire where I am

 

[Electrofever]

Iirc, concerning these screens, John stated « no need to reinvent the wheel », which helped focus on what was new in the Anvil, the copper oven

 

[Timps27]

Vestratto: [cuts a corner, leaves out a component, ensures devices are not cross-compatible, pushes cost/time/lack of quality on customer]

Normal customer: “That’s just shoddy work or bad business, I’ll take my business elsewhere.”

Vestratto customer: “GENIUS!!!!!!!”

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

Vestratto: [cuts a corner, leaves out a component, ensures devices are not cross-compatible, pushes cost/time/lack of quality on customer]

Normal customer: “That’s just shoddy work or bad business, I’ll take my business elsewhere.”

Vestratto customer: “GENIUS!!!!!!!”

As a near enough day one Vestratto customer there’s uncomfortable levels of truth to this

It’s a real ride supporting this company at times, especially when you have an issue and “those” fans come for you to defend John’s honour

Can I just say it’s only a small fraction of customers that are like this though. I rarely have interactions with them now that the owner base is so much larger. This thread now compared to those early days is genuinely night and day. Was an active warzone back in the waitlist days haha

 

[Timps27]

Like so many in the space it’s a shame, the talent is obvious, the lack of business/customer handling awareness is equally obvious. As someone who fixes/runs businesses for a living, it’s the most frustrating part of this niche industry.

 

[Bakin4Life]

Screens are needed in the condenser (and there is also a screen in the regular and half bowl). If you don't have a screen there is nothing to stop the herb to be sucked in the condenser.

Yes, and I found that out, in my WP. The increased force of the draw can pull it through, although I've never done it by mouth, on a direct pull.
If there's a screen for the XL bowl, it's got to be of a larger diameter. For now, 'one' is better than 'none', I suppose.

Not only do they look the same but they are the same dimension wise. I actually prefer running an SS DV screen in my condenser to the Vestratto ones. They’re less likely to bend and warp and also easier to acquire where I am

This was helpful. Found a spare DV screen, and it popped right on top of the condenser & held in place. 'Problem' solved
As I recall those flippin' screens would just fly when I was doing R&R on them with the Dyna bowls, never to be found.
Thx for the heads up

 

[Momor]

If there's a screen for the XL bow

No screen in the XL bowl

 

[nothingt3000]

I just bought the USA kit. Do i need to buy a condenser or only a stem? Sorry for the stupid question haha, I'm new to these vaporizers. Also, any suggestions will be helpful. Thanks!

 

[Bakin4Life]

Stem only (or WP). One of the components is a condenser.

I use a stem because I have a TRWW 'pinner' that has a spiral intercooler, and it's longer, to boot. This allows me to take the first hit natively (I use an XL bowl). For the stem, I chose wood over metal, so that if I do backty-backty-back (ramping up), it doesn't heat up as much on the exterior.

Pic of my unit

 

[nothingt3000]

Stem only (or WP). One of the components is a condenser.

I use a stem because I have a TRWW 'pinner' that has a spiral intercooler, and it's longer, to boot. This allows me to take the first hit natively (I use an XL bowl). For the stem, I chose wood over metal, so that if I do backty-backty-back (ramping up), it doesn't heat up as much on the exterior.

Pic of my unit

Thanks for your response! What are your thoughts on the Simrell Vortex Xl stem - and how does it compare with the normal Anvil? It's one of my only options, as I live in the EU

 

[Bakin4Life]

Thanks for your response! What are your thoughts on the Simrell Vortex Xl stem - and how does it compare with the normal Anvil? It's one of my only options, as I live in the EU

Well... I can't help you in either regard -- I have neither of the items you describe (either a Simrell, or a full Anvil) for comparison. Perhaps someone else on the forum could share, if they have direct knowledge.

Just for reference... the stem on mine is from Futo. They're a Canadian outfit, and I'm thinking they'd ship to EU? But that's a guess. You'll have to check them out (nice offerings; can get a bit pricey--especially their serialized crap). I'd link directly, but being kinda new myself, I dunno if that's against forum rules. I needed a stem with a 6mm inner diameter, and they were the only vendor I found with one.

 

[nothingt3000]

Well... I can't help you in either regard -- I have neither of the items you describe (either a Simrell, or a full Anvil) for comparison. Perhaps someone else on the forum could share, if they have direct knowledge.

Just for reference... the stem on mine is from Futo. They're a Canadian outfit, and I'm thinking they'd ship to EU? But that's a guess. You'll have to check them out (nice offerings; can get a bit pricey--especially their serialized crap). I'd link directly, but being kinda new myself, I dunno if that's against forum rules. I needed a stem with a 6mm inner diameter, and they were the only vendor I found with one.

Yeah I've heard of Futo, it's actually one of my options. Anyways, thank you for your time. I think i'll be going for the Simrell mvs but it depends on the financial situation lol

 

[electrokho82]

Hello , I hope you're doing well. As for me, not so much: I caught a virus, so I'm coughing and my nose is blocked. Despite that, I still wanted to make a review of the Anvil, so I used a text-to-speech software for the voice in the video. I hope it's not too bad, let me know what you think! I might continue using this technique as it makes the work easier. Here’s the link to the Anvil review on my YouTube channel:

 

[akp55]

Since people are still kindly posting 'likes' on my long 'technique' post (prior page), I'll add the following changes, as I've incorporated them into my own use, and I can't edit that post any longer (forum constraints)


Temp: 480F (+10F)
1st draw: 15s after first click (2nd will occur if cold enough, but doesn't matter on the first heat cycle)

(new)
2nd draw:
- Count after 1st click occurs.
- If 2nd click does not occur: Stop after 12s past 1st click
- If 2nd click does occur: Go to 15s.

Doubling the heat soak on the first draw improves the flavor (I still hit natively on this one).
Now, you're focusing more on *if* the 2nd click occurs, and what to do if it doesn't (it's hotter, so cut down the heat time).

A nice side benefit is that 480F will 'time out' on the wand, right about the time you want to be pulling out, anyway.
A second one is simplifying things with the count--always 15 as a base. Helps a bit, as you get into your sesh

This will give max extract w/o pyrolization / combustion. If you want lighter roast, adjust these times downward.
Again... your experience will likely be a little different. Tweak as needed, to your liking.

How far into the wand are you inserting the anvil?

 

[David Root]

OK, I need to figure out how to post a pic.

An X Max V30 Pro capsule fits in the Anvil. I cut my 1/2 bowl off the base so I just have a flat disc with threads. I had to cut little cross hatch to let air thorugh.

Drop in capsule, screw on new flat cap. Heat to click and enjoy.

Its a perfect fit.

David

 

[Bakin4Life]

How far into the wand are you inserting the anvil?

I've used the 'past the cap' method since my Dyna days (which weren't that long ago, tbh).

When you screw the cap/oven into the engine, there's a line where the stainless cap and copper engine meet. Put that line so that it matches where the top of the red raised lip is on the backside of the wand (same height). Insertion: from front/top of wand.

Two-hand function; use your dominant hand to grasp the Anvil with your lower three fingers, and your thumb / forefinger as the guide to insert the Anvil into the wand. Once it's inserted, position the thumb / forefinger to brace and center the Anvil in the wand opening. Then use your bottom three fingers that are actually holding the Anvil to provide 'fine adjustment', up / down as needed. You can brace your hands against your belly, a table, etc., while you're heating it up.

Yes, you could rig up something to maintain that height / depth so that you can free up a hand. I like this method; it works for me.

You don't need to move the Anvil back and forth, once it's in that position. Lock it in and maintain.

Also, use a light pack with minimal tamp, so that airflow can get through the oven. My XL bowl holds 0.2g, but the measured amount is actually 0.1g.

I'd attach a pic, but I kinda need a 3rd hand to capture the full two-hand grip I describe above. Hopefully, the description helps -?

 

[hotmeals]

After playing with whole device torch heating of the Tornado more, I knew I had to try it with the Anvil. I've been torching up and down from the battery to the top of the oven while twirling, never heating the clicker directly. It's really good, totally levels up the torched Anvil for me. I think it makes a bigger difference here than it does for the Tornado. It's way smoother and consistently tastes amazing with a very even roast. I've been somewhat struggling to get great hits out of my Anvil after using the Tornado a bunch, and this technique instantly cured that problem. I highly recommend anyone to try this, especially those who have been experimenting with us in the Tornado thread.

Big shout out to @Roffa for inspiring me to try this with the Tornado, and I know I've seen @chillmike talking about doing similar things with the Anvil. Probably others have as well. I feel so lazy now knowing how big of a difference it really makes.

Big warning as well though: it is possible to spin the bowl loose from the oven by spinning while heating, and it may be hard to notice it happened until it's too late, so be careful about infinite spinning and jerky twirling. I had possibly my luckiest ever vaping mishap figuring that one out!

 

[Fox]

After playing with whole device torch heating of the Tornado more, I knew I had to try it with the Anvil. I've been torching up and down from the battery to the top of the oven while twirling, never heating the clicker directly. It's really good, totally levels up the torched Anvil for me. I think it makes a bigger difference here than it does for the Tornado. It's way smoother and consistently tastes amazing with a very even roast. I've been somewhat struggling to get great hits out of my Anvil after using the Tornado a bunch, and this technique instantly cured that problem. I highly recommend anyone to try this, especially those who have been experimenting with us in the Tornado thread.

Big shout out to @Roffa for inspiring me to try this with the Tornado, and I know I've seen @chillmike talking about doing similar things with the Anvil. Probably others have as well. I feel so lazy now knowing how big of a difference it really makes.

Big warning as well though: it is possible to spin the bowl loose from the oven by spinning while heating, and it may be hard to notice it happened until it's too late, so be careful about infinite spinning and jerky twirling. I had possibly my luckiest ever vaping mishap figuring that one out!

To avoid losing the bowl, simply move your thumb towards you when heating up so that the device turns clockwise, this way the bowl closes and not opens. I almost lost the bowl until I changed the direction of rotation.

To avoid losing the bowl, simply move your thumb towards you when heating up so that the device turns clockwise, this way the bowl closes and not opens. I almost lost the bowl until I changed the direction of rotation.

And turning it slowly helps too. I used to have the urge to turn it as fast as a Dynavap.

 

[hotmeals]

To avoid losing the bowl, simply move your thumb towards you when heating up so that the device turns clockwise, this way the bowl closes and not opens.

Depends which hand you're using lol. I use my left and infinite spinning with my thumb going towards me is the risky direction, and my preferred direction. But yes, going slower works also. My solution so far is to just use a back and forth twirl instead of an infinite spin, because i know I'll end up spinning it loose again eventually if I just try to go slower.

 

[Knewt]

Depends which hand you're using lol. I use my left and infinite spinning with my thumb going towards me is the risky direction, and my preferred direction. But yes, going slower works also. My solution so far is to just use a back and forth twirl instead of an infinite spin, because i know I'll end up spinning it loose again eventually if I just try to go slower.

I set mine on the top of a tripod then I slowly walk around it while positioning the flame, no unscrewing this way.

Actually I have never rotated mine, except when it has rolled off the table. I’ve never had uneven roast even back in my pre-Forge days.

 

[hotmeals]

I set mine on the top of a tripod then I slowly walk around it while positioning the flame, no unscrewing this way.

Actually I have never rotated mine, except when it has rolled off the table. I’ve never had uneven roast even back in my pre-Forge days.

For sure, you can definitely get an even roast and a good hit without doing this, but for me it is significantly improving the vapor quality and the consistency/ease with which I can get the hits I want.

 

[snirgol]

Hi, quick question. What parts do I need to purchase if want to go from my USA kit to a full anvil with their stem? I love the Thermocore but I have to say that the whole USA kit is not up to my liking. Way too much wobble in the stem connection even with thicker o rings and the airflow control is pretty bad cause either it gets stuck or it moves every time I twist the bowl off.

 

[Bakin4Life]

I know Vestratto has that as a 'FAQ' item on their website (parts list to convert USA to full Anvil). AFAIK, only Vestratto sells it (unless you find a parts source elsewhere, and cobble it together.)

If the price to get the remainder of the parts to add to the USA kit outstrips a full Anvil, I'd just get the full Anvil and either keep your USA as a spare, or put it up for sale. YMMV.

Also, full Anvils are available from a very few US vendors, if you don't want to deal with cross-border shipping from Vestratto, direct.