Socks And Sandals
Well-Known Member
Nice find! That is so awesome. Wish I could afford that camera rocket way back then!
Nice find! That is so awesome. Wish I could afford that camera rocket way back then!
ChooChooCharlie
Well-Known Member
How about some 1960's nostalgia ... one man's journey through the decade.
(he taught me how to roll a proper joint. forever grateful)
DOH !!
(he taught me how to roll a proper joint. forever grateful)
DOH !!
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The Vietnam Conflict: The Rock ‘n’ Roll War
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Moratorium Day, October 15, 1969 – Washington D.C. (AP Photo)
In the immortal words of the German Romantic writer Jean Paul Richter “Music is moonlight in the gloomy night of life”. There could be no truer words for a soldier entwined within the chaos of a violent battle. Music has long been a fundamental element in providing temporary relief during wartime. This is especially true during the United State’s involvement in Vietnam War, also known as “America’s first Rock ‘n’ Roll War” (http://warriors.warren.k12.il.us/dmann/musicandvietnamwar.html).
My hypothesis starts with the suggestion that much of the music written during the 1960s and 70s characterized the discontent of American youth with the escalation of America’s involvement in the Vietnam conflict (Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from November 1955, to the fall of Saigon in April 1975). The rhythms, raw energy, and screaming guitars of rock music perfectly reflected the chaos and confusion of the jungle warfare and fire fight battles. Since Rock music was the most popular genre at the time with American youth, it inevitably became popular also in Vietnam among the young American soldiers. In retrospect, Rock ‘n’ Roll music ultimately became an anthem of the American youth demonstrating their anti-establishment anti-war sentiment. It is important to emphasize the youthful age of the Vietnam combat soldiers: ninety percent of them were under 23 years of age and the average was 19 years old. Moreover, we can assume that most of them did not want to be in Vietnam, risking their lives and being alienated from their family, friends and own generation once back home (http://warriors.warren.k12.il.us/dmann/musicandvietnamwar.html).
The up above was written by someone else.
My friends were too young to be involved in the Viet Nam War but I had friends with older siblings that were drafted and had to go to war. My boyfriend had a brother over there. So it did effect our lives. The boys were afraid when they reached 18 they would be drafted.
I remember the nightly news would talk about how many thousands of American soldiers had died. They kept count every day and every day the number would go up.
There were past alumni from our High School that would be honored at assemblies that died. Thank goodness they stopped the draft and the Viet Nam War was over with really no winners. Everyone lost. Will the powers that be ever learn?
CK
with 10 comments
Moratorium Day, October 15, 1969 – Washington D.C. (AP Photo)
In the immortal words of the German Romantic writer Jean Paul Richter “Music is moonlight in the gloomy night of life”. There could be no truer words for a soldier entwined within the chaos of a violent battle. Music has long been a fundamental element in providing temporary relief during wartime. This is especially true during the United State’s involvement in Vietnam War, also known as “America’s first Rock ‘n’ Roll War” (http://warriors.warren.k12.il.us/dmann/musicandvietnamwar.html).
My hypothesis starts with the suggestion that much of the music written during the 1960s and 70s characterized the discontent of American youth with the escalation of America’s involvement in the Vietnam conflict (Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from November 1955, to the fall of Saigon in April 1975). The rhythms, raw energy, and screaming guitars of rock music perfectly reflected the chaos and confusion of the jungle warfare and fire fight battles. Since Rock music was the most popular genre at the time with American youth, it inevitably became popular also in Vietnam among the young American soldiers. In retrospect, Rock ‘n’ Roll music ultimately became an anthem of the American youth demonstrating their anti-establishment anti-war sentiment. It is important to emphasize the youthful age of the Vietnam combat soldiers: ninety percent of them were under 23 years of age and the average was 19 years old. Moreover, we can assume that most of them did not want to be in Vietnam, risking their lives and being alienated from their family, friends and own generation once back home (http://warriors.warren.k12.il.us/dmann/musicandvietnamwar.html).
The up above was written by someone else.
My friends were too young to be involved in the Viet Nam War but I had friends with older siblings that were drafted and had to go to war. My boyfriend had a brother over there. So it did effect our lives. The boys were afraid when they reached 18 they would be drafted.
I remember the nightly news would talk about how many thousands of American soldiers had died. They kept count every day and every day the number would go up.
There were past alumni from our High School that would be honored at assemblies that died. Thank goodness they stopped the draft and the Viet Nam War was over with really no winners. Everyone lost. Will the powers that be ever learn?
CK
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GetLeft
Well-Known Member
I was born in 60. I was afraid of being drafted at age 9. I still recall how relieved I was when it all ended. Pulling on my pants with a new sense of joy and relief the morning my mom told me.
War fucks all kinds of people up.
Amoreena
Grown up Flower Child
My husband is a Vietnam veteran who was hit by shrapnel twice.
What a sad thing for a child! Apparently there are two kinds of PTSD, one being Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome.
GetLeft
Well-Known Member
Apparently there are two kinds of PTSD, one being Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome.
Now I get why I vape! My first legitimate explanation! Thanks!
Gotta start planning my move to WA and getting my card!!
p.s. I hope your husband's well!
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Having a draft is such a bad idea. With so many men dieing nobody would have signed up for the military. I've read where drugs were rampant over there, not just cannabis but heroin. Our men came back unhonored and 25% of them addicted to heroin. PTSD on top of that.
I am so anti war. I would have been a war protester at the time but I was too young. U.S direct involvement was over in 1973. The fall of Saigon was in 1975.
I am so anti war. I would have been a war protester at the time but I was too young. U.S direct involvement was over in 1973. The fall of Saigon was in 1975.
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Amoreena
Grown up Flower Child
My understanding is that some soldiers needed heroin to keep from panicking loudly which would let the enemy know where they were and potentially get everyone killed. Sometimes they'd find huge bugs crawling on themselves in addition to whatever general chaos. It REALLY sucked over there.
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CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The draft wasn't always even-steven, those from influential families didn't have to go to Vietnam like George W. Bush or Donald Trump. It was the poor and the minorities that weren't able to get out of it and the regular people from middle class families.
You had boys and men going to Canada so they didn't have to be drafted. Jimmy Carter pardoned the Vietnam war "draft dodgers". I have trouble with that word. I wouldn't have wanted a son of mine in that war. Another reason to love Jimmy Carter.
You had boys and men going to Canada so they didn't have to be drafted. Jimmy Carter pardoned the Vietnam war "draft dodgers". I have trouble with that word. I wouldn't have wanted a son of mine in that war. Another reason to love Jimmy Carter.
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little maggie
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I had a friend who worked for the VA as a therapist. He worked quite a bit with Vietnam Vets who had been living in the woods since they returned from the war. They never reentered society. Most of these men were teenagers when they went to war.
While it's true the very wealthy could get out of the draft, that didn't work for many upper middle class kids. Now joining the military seems to be a source of jobs for the young. I know a lot of high school grads going into the military instead of college. Too many college grads are working in minimum wage jobs.
While it's true the very wealthy could get out of the draft, that didn't work for many upper middle class kids. Now joining the military seems to be a source of jobs for the young. I know a lot of high school grads going into the military instead of college. Too many college grads are working in minimum wage jobs.
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ChooChooCharlie
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I am so sorry for bringing down the upbeat vibe of this thread.
Please forgive me.
Just wanted to give little tribute to my friend. Kinda like the "Zelig" of NYC counter culture scene.
Again, Sorry
Please forgive me.
Just wanted to give little tribute to my friend. Kinda like the "Zelig" of NYC counter culture scene.
Again, Sorry
Vitolo
Vaporist
Not here, Charlie.
Not here and not today.
No apology for truth can be accepted.
A fine tribute.
Carry on.
little maggie
Well-Known Member
What an interesting concept. I talked to a man who had Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome from when he was little because of the Rapture.My husband is a Vietnam veteran who was hit by shrapnel twice.
What a sad thing for a child! Apparently there are two kinds of PTSD, one being Pre-Traumatic Stress Syndrome.
Amoreena
Grown up Flower Child
I Googled after posting and was surprised to find it's a real, recognized thing.
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Enchantre
Oil Painter
Besides the cold war, hiding under our school desks for drills (like, um, sure), I also was indoctrinated into the idea of death during sleep "...if I die, before I wake, I pray the lord my soul to take..."
Couple that with some things that happened during sleep/night, and it's no wonder I don't sleep.
Couple that with some things that happened during sleep/night, and it's no wonder I don't sleep.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I don't remember Cold War drills in WA state I remember being under our desks for an earthquake drill.
This is a less serious subject. In elementary school starting in second grade I remember the red tablets that we chewed from the Crest or Colgate Co. that tasted like pure food coloring. It showed up all the areas that we didn't brush in a darker red color. Not sure how come I thought of that? It couldn't have been that healthy for us. Basically an advertisement for the company. You got a free tooth brush, toothpaste and more of the red tablets.
This is a less serious subject. In elementary school starting in second grade I remember the red tablets that we chewed from the Crest or Colgate Co. that tasted like pure food coloring. It showed up all the areas that we didn't brush in a darker red color. Not sure how come I thought of that? It couldn't have been that healthy for us. Basically an advertisement for the company. You got a free tooth brush, toothpaste and more of the red tablets.
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peterpiper
(peter-ex-piper)
I remember when they installed a big siren on top of our school for the 4 min warning
We all thought it was fantastic
We all thought it was fantastic