HighlyEducatedScholar
Student of Vapor
at this point, im dumbfounded as how this thread is still open.
Some folks are just drawn to negativity, personal attacks, and confrontations like flies are drawn to shit This is just human nature.
Seriously, do you have any evidence of that? Seems like quite the charge. I just looked over mom's pictures again, and I'm pretty sure the hot silicon and flaking alumina fiber was what this thread is "really about".In my perception this thread isn't really about materials but about a mod not being given a free vape from an independent artisan vape maker.
You don't need to quote a thing-All you have to do is go back and read the thread.....I'm not going to go back and quote it all for you again.
I didn't walk into anything. I've repeated myself so many times now, EXPLICITLY STATING that everyone has their own level of risk tolerance, and that mine is not "better" than someone else's, it is just MINE.
And FFS, Dave posted the MSDS that he got with the material. That is the info people wanted, and that is all he has. ( except maybe the smoking gun you keep hinting about but are too considerate to mention) Yet that is still not good enough, people have doubts. As I and several others have said, if that information does not assuage your fears, then the only option is to not use the UD.
There is never going to be a solution that satisfies you, so why are YOU here, other than to drag down the level of discourse?
So who is beating the dead horse here?
Me, who says you have the only information you are likely to get, so make your decision based on the available information,
or you harping on the same thing over and over until it turns in to a paranoid conspiracy?
The third double standard, and mentioning it will probably get me banned or issued infractions, but I think it really needs to be brought up......In my perception this thread isn't really about materials but about a mod not being given a free vape from an independent artisan vape maker. FC is the primary market driver for many vape makers. A vape maker could have their business destroyed by an FC mod with some sort of grudge. Not cool in my book.
It a very simple philosophy; how risk averse you are. Each to their own.
If you're really risk averse then don't vape at all. Lungs aren't designed as a drug delivery system, and it's probable that there's some risk involved with asking them to clean up lots of vape gunk each day over a prolonged period, instead of processing clean, pollution free air. There are lots of people out there who don't want to vape for this very reason, and instead pursue edibles. Each to their own, again.
The facts are out so there's no need to prolong the drama with opinions. If customers want change they'll vote with their dollars and I'm sure it will be delivered.
I have to agree with SS on this one and will now add my two cents.
First, I want to ask, as I did over the brass issue, how does any questionable smell or chemical or fiber or particle get delivered to the device user? How can that happen with a 'closed' vapor airflow? We are supposed to be talking materials here, not philosophy. How does the bad material connect with the vape user? or does it?
Why the singling out of log vapes? I thought all vapes listed at FC produce vapor? Why not the same scrutiny for all vaporizers?
I am seeing some ganging up on a single manufacturer over possible questionable materials used in his product. Ironically, a competing manufacturer is chiming in regularly now and displaying his product purity in the process. Not one person has explained how the assumed bad stuff gets to the user.
Sounds like the same fear crap I went through. No one ever answered that question for me when I was the bad guy.(how does the bad stuff get to the user)
How does the bad stuff get to the user?
It appears to me Dave is trying to make a better product as we all do when folks talk about reservations over our products. What else do we want from Dave?
Yup, brings back memories. Funny thing is, the guy who stirred the shit in my case is gone and told us all we were fucked when he left FC with no more communication to any past customer or anybody. Interesting final chapter on that drama that went on for a long time.
The questions have been brought up and answered the way they were answered. The manufacturer is trying to improve his product as we all do. Some folks do not want his product and some do want it.
OK, cool.
How does any bad material get delivered to the user? I want facts BTW, not theories about imaginations that defy the laws of physics and air flow.
Having said that, I agree if there are no questionable materials anywhere in a product, there can be no questions about the safety of those materials in that product. DUH. Tell that to medical equipment manufacturers. They stick us and poke us and do this and that and do it using no hazardous materials in their products? Bullshit. They DO protect us from those hazardous materials by the construction of the devices.
You all seem to be missing the final step. Connect the dots. How does anything bad get to the user?
One more thing here. We are not making breathing devices. We are making cannabis delivery devices. We are producing hot air rather than a flame. Is the air going through the load clean or not?
I'll make some comments on our product on my thread later today sometime.
Another thing that pisses me off while I am in the mood. Folks that say they will not post anymore, then they totally ignore their own word and shit on someone......again.
at this point, im dumbfounded as how this thread is still open.
Actually, this is a GREAT thread, that is going to take a fuckload of modding to keep on track and civil. If you go back and look at post times, all of this lunacy over the last three pages took place between when I ate breakfast this morning and when I ate lunch today. Things can move fast around here. I go to work for four hours (long day for me, I know!) and all this happens.
Not counting the Hot Glue (the yellowish stuff) I added myself, there's that grey, rubber cement stuff....
...I got my LSV up to temp, then I carefully opened the base so I could get an idea of how hot it gets at the inside of that base piece.
I was happy to find it really only gets warm to the touch on that insulating rubber cement stuff they use to hold the cord in place.
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Here are some pics:
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(My hot glue is the yellowish looking bit)
And a quick pic of the insides
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Yes you are and so is hazy. I want to apologize publicly for singling out his/her post, he/she actually seems like a very nice person and I was responding to several things that bothered me and used that as an example and I am afraid that was very, very, rude of me. I'm sorry.t-dub, I certainly hope it wasn't something I said that that you thought was trivializing your needs, I see Aussie and get worried - I swear, most of us are cool
I tend to like posts that make me laugh as wellWhomever mentioned trends in who "likes" whose posts (dear god, I'm sure I butchered the grammar in that sentence)- I personally wouldn't read anything more into it than if you agree with something, you'll like it.
If you agree with a person's views in this thread, you're probably gonna keep agreeing with their views - leading to the same relative bunch of people liking sets of posts...
One question: Would it be possible to make a log vape, but with materials like a ThermoVape, so that you could ISO and boil it the same way?
Regarding MSDS sheets, Dave has given us his answer. It will be good enough for some and not enough for others. That's fine. What's not fine is turning it into a dead horse, beaten to a bloody pulp. If you are not satisfied with his answer, tough shit...move on and don't buy his vape.
What are the requirements and limits to using generic MSDSs?
... [Regarding] the suitability of a generic material safety data sheet (MSDS). As you are probably aware, the requirements for MSDSs are found in paragraph (g) of 29 CFR 1910.1200. MSDSs must be developed for hazardous chemicals used in the workplace, and must list the hazardous chemicals that are found in a product in quantities of 1% or greater, or 0.1% or greater if the chemical is a carcinogen. The MSDS does not have to list the amount that the hazardous chemical occurs in the product.
Therefore, a single MSDS can be developed for the various combinations of ... [chemicals], as long as the hazards of the various... mixtures are the same. This "generic" MSDS must meet all of the minimum requirements found in 29 CFR 1910.1200(g), including the name, address and telephone number of the responsible party preparing or distributing the MSDS who can provide additional information.
I had explained the construction of the HI in words, but it is sometimes easier if you can see a photo. Here is one of my failures. The wood is purple heart. The core is not shown so that the resistor position is visible. The power socket pretty much fills the entire center hole. About as compact as I can make it.