710 coils

[Hogni]

I try to draw an immediate balance regarding all the info about the different710Coils bangers:

Generally:

• Opaque has in the opinion of the most users a better flavor with a more complex terp profile and is smoother than the clear when dabbed directly.
• Opaque is not so suited for heating inserts than the clear bc of its thermal characteristics.
  
• Opaque builds up residues faster and is worse to clean than the clear.
• Therefore better use a clear one for dabbing rosin/full-melt directly.

25mm <--> 30mm:

• 25mm is better for smaller dabs while the 30mm better works on big dabs and for heavier one-hitter.
• Take care of the weight and point of gravity of the 30mm to avoid a tip-over when used on a smaller piece.

Am I right? Otherwise correct me, please. Anything in addition?

 

[Grifo]

Just got another 710 coil package because there was a very SMALL hiccup in my first order. Shane went above and beyond with making it right i almost feel bad lol. Thanks @710Coils

 

[invertedisdead]

• Therefore better use a clear one when dabbing rosin/full-melt directly.

I dab mostly rosin, I like the flavor of the opaque quartz, it seems to vaporize a good bit more efficiently than the clear quartz to me. But it is true that it doesn't clean up spotless for me. Maybe I need to squish flower in 25u bags to reduce that contamination. I've heard of that technique being used to win some cannabis cups.

 

[Grifo]

Ok i get the opaque hype now.

 

[710Coils]

@Grifo My pleasure bud!!! and knowing you and everyone else have been enjoying my wares and service is a massive driving force (Straight wind in the sails)

Really appreciate all of you and the support everyone has shown. Really is humbling and empowering all at once

Your loyal coil and quartz monger

Shane

 

[brucee10]

I just placed my order since I broke my AugustHaus banger. At least my Liger Air can tide me over until it comes in.

 

[710Coils]

@brucee10 Just finished packing your order up and I tossed in a prototype clip to better hold the Axail coil in place. I will send you the final version once I get the parts to make them =)


Your package will get dropped off shortly and tracking should update tomorrow


You guys are the best!!!

Really truly appreciate all the support

Shane

 

[710Coils]

So I am thinking of going to Vancouver Canada for a day or so and wanted to see if anyone knew how I would go about scoring some dabs or a vape pen while I am there.

Any info is greatly appreciated =)

 

[710Coils]

So I wanted to post a few pics of what I came up with as a solution to the slipping Axial coil

Issue: Over time the axial coil can get loose fitting on the 30mm bangers. This was due to the regular clips not being able to hold properly when placed on the curved portion of the neck where is starts to widen. The clips would hold fine for a bit, but over time could get loose.

Solution: Make a single clip that can hold its position better when placed on the same placement on the neck as before. To achieve this I ended up doubling up the hooks to 4 instead of 2 and then crossing them when I connect it to the coil and banger. Once connected with the clips crossed, I could then slide the clip in place and have it hold as expected. If I really give it a heavy duty shake. I can make it loosen, but it will hold perfectly as long as it is used normally (No mosh pit headbanging dabs)

I have ordered proper parts and will be sending out clips to all Axial owners once they are finished (Should be a week or less)

Here are some pics showing how I attached and placed the clip:
Clip hanging and ready to pull over banger neck:

Clip hooked and clips crossed Close up of clips crossed

Once the clip is where I want it, I spread the o ring to offer better hold

This also worked as a way to support the Axial coil

Here is a link to the original pictures so they can be seen in BIG format =)
LINK

This is a rough draft and ugly, but I wanted to get some info out there so you all knew I was working on am easy and effective way to support the Axial coils. All future coils will come with 2 of these by default!!!

I am working on finished versions of my how to info for the following:
Adding and using clip kits
Adjusting coils to fit bangers (Axial and barrel)
Proper cleaning tech to keeping your bangers pristine

 

[elmomuzz]

I just ordered a 30mm set. I'm pretty psyched to check it out.

 

[Grifo]

https://www.dickfarmglass.com/product/clear-spinner idk how well this will work but i got one for $30 shipped.

 

[710Coils]

@elmomuzz Packing your order up now!!! Will be dropping it off to USPS shortly =)

 

[Ramahs]

@710Coils

What is "GE quartz" and are these bangers "GE quartz"?

I was bragging about your bangers elsewhere, recommending these over some $10 DHGate bangers, and got this response "Dude.... Those are not GE quartz nothing wrong with a cheap quartz nail but spend 5 times as much for same thing is dumb, American is GE quartz that's is not", and I was not sure how to reply because I don't know what the fuck GE quartz is.

 

[710Coils]

@Ramahs GE quartz is sold all over as far as I know. When I asked what the quartz was they made my bangers out of I was told it was GE 214

GE quartz is just a very high quality of quartz that has no impurities and is used in high voltage electrical equipment. Its made to be able to heat fast and high without having thermal shock. Lots of the banger makers in the US use it or say they do since it is clear of impurities and can take the heating and cooling with out weakening

I have yet to break one and have done several thermal shock tests to the bangers to make sure the quality is as expected. Pure quartz will handle thermal shock fine. Where quartz with any impurities in it will explode from the shock.

I would not try to fight this with anyone as its a pissing match that no one leaves a winner. It all comes down to what people have convinced themselves about non american quartz. Same thing as there is supposedly lead in all non american quartz. It took me months of different manufacturers before I landed on the one I am using. They mainly produce high end lab and scientific equipment and only use the highest quality quartz in their products.

That and the proof of the quality after testing was enough for me to feel confident with what they told me

I have always been prepared for the people that will come after me and my bangers because they cannot believe China is able to produce anything other than cheap stuff. You would be surprised what paying a little more can get you when everyone else is trying to pay less. I actually asked to add to my unit cost to assure quality and to make sure they stayed as close to my specs as possible.

One of the biggest things I had to do was make a complete set of specs for my bangers as they are a company that only works off of specs and does not do free form work (No heady shit here)
I actually admired this as it showed me they only do work to spec and not to a kind of spec like some of the other manufacturers I worked through when hunting for my manufacturer.

Here is a good one. I recently had a processor tell me he couldnt back my bangers in his circle since they were made in China. I offered to send him a free banger of his choice, no strings attached. Just so he could see for himself. He flat out ignored me and eventually un followed me. I still cannot believe it, but I also can as its how people protect themselves from the scary unknown. They throw up BS excuses and stand behind them instead of keeping an open mind and making a decision through actually trying the product out.


Here is one of the many vendors on Alibaba selling GE 214 quartz tubing: https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...l?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.21.71753e2bCQEv97


Dont sweat this shit as it is gonna happen and we will just make sure to not invite them to the dab sessions and giveaways =P

 

[Hogni]

Yep, it's a fame that the Chinese only can produce crap. For sure they are making crap if you only want to pay crap prices or order at BS companies. But there is no technology the Chinese can't produce to the highest specification in the same - or even better - quality as US or German companies.
But you have to pay for it.
I've some friends who let produce a lot of their parts in China. And they are asking for highest quality. One told me he was scared when he entered the factory where he is now ordering after a long search for producers who can deliver stuff to this specification in top quality. Absolutely high-end production you nearly never can find in Germany. Best materials and equipment, finest processing "You can't get it made better in Germany!". He was really scared about the standard of quality. "They are no stupid incompetent bastards. There is nothing they can't make in the same quality as us, if not even better. The Chinese will get us all bc they are highly motivated and educated. You can take fright"
So there is nothing wrong regards to only quality if you let produce in China at the right, carefully selected factory.
That are pure hard facts. Any other view just is born from ignorance, demagogy or rassicm.

 

[tepictoton]

I would just take those reactions as signs that you are doing something right?

And I am 100% with you on the, you get what you pay for, line. China can produce perfectly good and safe products if we are willing to pay for it...

 

[sarkunit]

I wonder if all these people understand how many of the components in their medical equipment come from China, or their cars and planes, or their vapes? The issues around Chinese business practices and economic behavior are real, but how could any person say there are NO reliable vendors there? It isn't logical. To add to this, what justifies the cost of American made quartz? How much are they charging for Labor? What is their overhead? I have no idea why the Chinese can make such a great product that can sell for 45$ while the cheapest American made version costs 180$? The American market isn't even trying to compete! I will rock my 710, they can rock their gavel and be proud of themselves. It just means I have more money for medicine.

 

[Pyr0]

@Pyr0 rotate the cap so the side hole is facing towards you when using the cap and it should seal better. The side hole can break the seal if the side hole is facing away from you (From my experience)

But the 25 will always be the easier seal since its much smaller than the big boy 30mm banger.

Once I have some decent samples. I will toss one in the mail for you

Shane

I'm finding i need to keep the side airhole upwards, away from the bowl.
The way the banger sits on my glass it tips forward just slightly so the balls and the dab always roll to the farthest/front edge. This means i have to face the side hole away from me while covering the top to direct the air at the beads and dab.
I think I get better hits using the straight airflow too as opposed to leaving the side open and getting the swirling airflow

Contemplating ordering a 25mm clear setup with an axial coil instead.

I have to agree with the above posters.
I place orders for my workplace all the time and there are a lot of reputable suppliers and manufacturers in China with quality products.
If you want crap, you can have it, but if you want quality, that's available too

 

[canj00digit?]

? I have no idea why the Chinese can make such a great product that can sell for 45$ while the cheapest American made version costs 180$?

I don't know costs details but I do know that one factor is the American made items are mostly made by quite small 'artisan' companies and the Chinese bangers are mostly made by larger companies that manufacture all sorts of quartz products for industry.

The link @710Coils posted to a company selling GE214 quartz on Alibaba is to a company in Donghai which is basically the quartz production capital of the world. There are quite a number of companies there manufacturing quartz. The higher end quartz like GE214 is used for semiconductor and solar industries amongst others. I'd venture to say every Chinese made banger likely comes out of that area.

In terms of functional quality I think we all know there is no difference between a quality Chinese banger and a US banger. One is much more 'baller' to say you have, though.

Kind of an interesting read but not banger related lol
Donghai: Quartz Capital
http://www.thequartzcorp.com/en/blog/2013/08/08/donghai-quartz-capital/5

 

[Shooby]

Most people go to China and want CHEAP ass production so they can make a buck. So the Chinese give them cheap with the cheapest materials and and half ass service. Until you complain and pay more, they will not change it.

China is great at production but is absolutely terrible at innovation. iphones, surface, xbox pixels and nearly all high end tech and electronics now comes from China. But they never designed or created anything. Think about it, what modern day tech is developed out of china?


GE214 tubes is a quartz standard worldwide which is basically the normal standard for quartz used in the semiconductor sector. Primarily wafers. The reason we use this type of quartz is due to the excellent high temperature properties.

Most american bangers makers dont even ask their vendors if they sell GE214 tubes. Like buying a new car without an airbag or ABS brakes its just standard, you dont even ask. When i had the quartz liger made by halen, i asked him if its GE214 quartz, he said he wasnt sure but then sent me the web page of his supplier. I had to search around the site to find out they are GE214.

 

[pxl_jockey]

Oh my gosh @Shooby I’m sorry about joking about your classified, I thought the “quartz liger” was just you being your witty self. You must’ve thought “what a dick!l. I didn’t realise it was really something you commissioned, from Halen no less! You’re the best, most modest, baller dude rockin’ the fanciest gear but never boasting. I’m sorry if you thought I was just busting your bullocks and having a go just for the hell of it.

 

[Shooby]

Oh my gosh @Shooby I’m sorry about joking about your classified, I thought the “quartz liger” was just you being your witty self. You must’ve thought “what a dick!l. I didn’t realise it was really something you commissioned, from Halen no less! You’re the best, most modest, baller dude rockin’ the fanciest gear but never boasting. I’m sorry if you thought I was just busting your bullocks and having a go just for the hell of it.

No worries, i didnt look at it that way.

Lol. Yes and no. Its still a quartz bucket/banger but I wanted to use everything that i was using with the liger minus the Titanium aspect which is the liger. Basically use a coil with the 30mm sapphire and coojo cap and it works great. But now i have all these other sapphires and rubies i am using so this is now expendable.

If you have the money and will, you can make anything happen!

Oh yea, the site he sent me to is www.technicalglass.com. I went to look for it after i posted.

 

[Roth]

Well, I've broken down and finally signed up for IG in order to enter @710Coils newest contest. I made it this far without signing up, but you broke me!

 

[710Coils]

@Roth Welcome to the dark side

 

[StormyPinkness]

I definitely suck at keeping my 30mm clean (even with q-tips), is an ultrasonic cleaner ok for opaque quartz? I usually just put my glass in there for 1-2 minutes in a bag of warm iso to get it good as new.